Everyday Systems

Habit makes a huge difference here.

Burn into your brain that eating ends when your one plate meal is over and eventually your stomach will get the message.

It takes time for this message to sink in, but it will. Habit is slow but extremely powerful.

Reinhard

Thanks fantastic, Deb! I'm so happy to hear this.

Sorry about the elevator incident, but what terrifyingly great incentive to practice vertical urban ranger!

Reinhard

Welcome, Bookman! I trained as a librarian myself and hoped to be an academic (or reference) librarian, but somehow would up in technical services and then computer programming. But I could easily see going back to my original calling some day (I may have to! These new kids we're hiring can code cir...

Congratulations and welcome back, jenglish!

Poetry! You really must be enjoying this

Reinhard

I'm not sure about the Zodiac... Though I get along pretty well with both of them, so who knows. :-) And I'm all recovered from my le crueset injury, thanks for asking. I took a no s diet special day yesterday to take my older daughter to the ice cream ( toscaninis !) shop as a reward for having don...

Tuna, whatever you may have been, you certainly don't sound like an idiot now. In fact this sounds positively inspired: "Popular diets are like high heels, while No S is like sensible shoes...." Moderation is hard, isn't it? Not painful hard, on the contrary, it's a joy. But hard in terms of restrai...

Thank you Reinhard for posting photos. Thank you all for sending them! Marisa and mother are like celebrities now and whole village came to house to look at "models" from Nakhon Sawan on internet. I just put a link to this thread on the shovelglove homepage (in the "what are other people saying abo...

(belated) welcome, spleener! My one accomodation is that peanut butter is an "S" food for me I'd barely even call that a mod. We all draw our borders for borderliine foods in slightly different places. Kathleen: thanks for the field work! Failed mods are instructive, too. I keep reading about how sc...

Interesting, but these all sound pretty high compared with the 4000 national average in the Amish article.

Different methodologies I guess? I'm assuming they didn't intentionally leave out the most sluggish professions (where's computer programmer?).

Reinhard

That's great, Tiffani!

You might even find you do your computer stuff with MORE attention while walking.

"Only those thoughts that come while walking have any value." -- Nietzsche

Reinhard

I can't comment on the substance of SB. And I'm not so into the tone... But I find two things about it profoundly inspiring: 1) it took 3 full years for the book to take off (when Victoria Beckham was spotted with it) 2) the main author's last name starts with F so no-s is shelved right next to it. ...

An age old question maybe...

Perhaps, but I never get tired of it

And there always seem to be interesting new answers.

Just the fact that people heard about it in so many different places is interesting.

Reinhard

Congratulations!

Not just on your weight loss, but on your joy in eating (long term, the two are intimately related, I think!).

Habitcal is just a part of the website, no download required.

http://everydaysystems.com/habitcal

Reinhard

Reinhard that's such a *great* pic of you btw.. for your next book pressing, you might want to consider making a cover that includes it.. Like on the back page? Thanks, Deb! It actually is the picture that was used in the book author photo (except bigger and in color). In any event, any press is pr...

Hi Emilto. Glad to hear you're enjoying no-s! The "show" button is now called "load" -- sorry about that confusion. Before you can load a view, you'll have to create a habit "tag" to track. There's a little "add" hypertext on the top right that will prompt you to enter one more more tags. Then click...

Here's the direct link to the interview: (the link to the main page above shows the current episode which presumably will change):

http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/show ... isode-265/

Wed June 24: Shovelglove "sick" special day. Tweaked my wrist doing heroically trying to carry a bit, full cast iron pot on Tuesday. I did my 14 minutes Tuesday night, mostly legs, but since I jogged Wednesday afternoon, my legs were pretty much shot Wednesday night. I decided to give myself a "spec...

Welcome! And congratulations on a good start.

Who knew snacking was a national security issue as well?

http://www.theonion.com/content/video/d ... s_distract

I'm reminded of this NY Times article that was posted a while back When I lived in France and had my children there, my pediatrician gave me exactly one admonition regarding their feeding: "Don't let them eat cookies all day." The emphasis wasn't on "cookies" but on "all day" â€” I guess he'd seen e...

Just listened to it. Was better than I remembered! I'm relieved. Some of the commenters on the site were a little... well, defensive, but I think that's only to be expected on an explicitly low carb site, and Jimmy himself was very gracious. Over43 -- it was woman's world (not day) and LA Loser past...

Some photographic evidence from chiangmaiboss & family: http://everydaysystems.com/images/user/chiangmaiboss/photosfromthailand/19062009806.jpg http://everydaysystems.com/images/user/chiangmaiboss/photosfromthailand/19062009809.jpg More here: http://everydaysystems.com/images/user/chiangmaiboss/phot...

That is fantastic, Deb! Congratulations!

The site seems to be down at the moment, but I'm pretty sure our interview should be on today. Warning: I haven't gotten to the point yet where giving interviews is second nature, and if I remember correctly, it takes me a few minutes of rambling to find my stride in this one. I think by the middle ...

I just checked out the "No S" book yesterday at the library. Welcome! As an ex-librarian, I'm happy to hear that so many people have found it at libraries. HOWEVER, I didn't want my blueberries to be covered in egg yolk, so I placed the blueberries in a ramekin and put the ramekin physically on the...

One of the virtues touted by free weight proponents is that it works your stabilzer muscles which are excellent for improving balance. Shovelglove then, as a variety of freeweight lifting, will be good for improving balance. Sounds good to me! It might detract from the "usefulness" aspect a bit, bu...

Friday June 19th: no-s and shovelglove special day (my wife AND my mother's birthday).

Welcome! About 2 years ago I had tried the French style diet and actually did pretty well... I had three meals a day that I cooked from scratch with moderate fat, moderate portions and I lost 4 dress sizes in 4 months without a lot of suffering.... However, the problem was that ANY convenience or pr...

I haven't been posting much because I was afraid to jinx it, but I think I'm back on track. I think I'm becoming a food snob though. Congratulations! On both counts. -24 pounds is not bad at all! And being a food snob is vastly preferable to being a food slave. I had the best breakfast.... Thanks f...

â€œI see too many people,â€ McGill told me with a sigh, â€œwho have six-pack abs and a ruined back.â€

from:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/06/17/core-myths/?em

Don't think we shuggers need to worry about this -- shovelglove is at least as much a back workout as an abs one.

I think this may be your best one yet -- special guests, subtitles, an amusing disclaimer, and the "answer to that age old shovelglove question: what about my legs?" And the moves really look like they kick ass. It's funny, I've occasionally done "shadow boxing" with dumbbells on freestyle fridays, ...

Got an interesting suggestion this morning on how to incorporate coordination and balance into shovelglove -- something I for one could sorely use! I love the image Kale suggests, but I'm a little nervous about how to implement it without clobbering my ceiling and/or wife (she usually does yoga/pila...

Incidentally reason I started shovelglove is because I was in hospital with high blood pressure and doctor says I needed to stop lifting weights, which I have been doing for over 35 years. It is important for me to stay strong as I work on mountain rescue team and sometimes have to carry heavy peop...

An alternative to going to a lighter SH is a line I like from the (UNDERRATED!) "13th Warrior" I love it :-) Slower rep sets help, I think also, with a heavy hammer. The faster, less sloppy movements you can do when you're just doing a few at a time seem to hit the "core" harder (I hedge my bets an...

Hi Tiffani, Sorry it's taken me so long to weigh in here -- sounds like you're in a very tough situation. I know how crazy-making kids can be even for a few hours with two parents around. When I think that my grandmother raised 8 kids, I realize why corporal punishment was universal until very recen...

This does look interesting (and very no-s like). I certainly hope the title proves an accurate prediction! Think I'll try to get my hands on a copy... Marleah wrote: The only downside is that I can really see people reading it and saying yeah that it makes sense, but it's kind of vague and doesn't g...

Congratulations! That sounds great.

I can't say I consciously emphasize protein at breakfast or other meals, but it's almost always there (milk or cheese or eggs at breakfast, nuts at lunch).

Reinhard

An honorable tour of duty!

I hope a new (perhaps more conventional) hammer has filled its place?

Reinhard

I do not stretch. I used to feel vaguely guilty about this.. but since I haven't noticed any ill effects in the 8 years or so I've been doing this, I've stopped worrying. I've also read that some fitness experts advise *against* stretching, which I'm not in a position to evaluate, but am happy to be...

That is excellent!

Any chance you could post pictures?

Not sure what I want most -- your crocheted hammer, your 75 year old mother in law, or a whole village in Thailand doing shovelglove!

Best,

Reinhard

It feels like the lighter model is a harder workout on the core (stomach and back)... The heavier SG was harder on the arms (both biceps/triceps and forearms).

I've noticed this as well (I often still use my original 12 pounder on "freestyle fridays.")

Reinhard

Welcome and good luck!

I'm a former librarian, so I'm thrilled the book is pretty widely available in libraries.

Snacking tends to be the trickiest S for most people.

Keep posting here -- especially if you run into trouble, it really helps.

Reinhard

Welcome back, MB!

Best of luck and looking forward to your questions,

Reinhard

Thanks for posting this, wosnes. Though thought provoking, I'm with KCCC on this: However, I cringe when I hear it's "just fuel" People's relation to food has always been, and is inherently complex. Just look at the role food plays in religious observances for example. But I think he's right that it...

Deb, congratulations on your success so far!

Sounds like it's really going well, on multiple levels.

Looking forward eagerly to the next update,

Reinhard

I like the idea, but the execution might be tricky. Anyone know of a "cafepress" for rings? I found this, but I'm not sure anyone would want to be caught dead wearing one: http://www.promopeddler.com/rings/ You now, it's funny, shortly before I came up with No-s or any of the everyday systems, I had...

Carolejo, I'm so happy to hear that things look at least "better than you had thought." I know you're not out of the woods by any stretch yet, but it sounds like these latest results provide a significant, and unanticipated, glimmer of hope. It's also great that you've found a community of people wh...

"Cyclone" sounds like it starts with S

You have my blessing -- whenever there's a significantly elevated chance that you might be eating your last meal, I'd say call it an S-day.

Reinhard

Towards the middle:

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/three-site ... your-life/

Congratulations! That's wonderful news.

Sorry for my delayed response -- my own little darlings have been more distracting than usual of late.

Reinhard

This is great, tripitaka888!

Thanks for posting -- and sorry it took me so long to get around to acknowledging it.

Thanks for the youtube link, LA_Loser.

Yeah, both shovelglove and no-s are pitch perfect for depression II.

Reinhard

Hi Mitchell, I'd recommend adding just one rule at a time, at a rate of maybe one a month. If you go much faster than that, you're going to have trouble determining what works and what doesn't, and (as Spudd pointed out) risk piling on too much. As for the rules themselves, I'd keep them as concrete...

Sat June 13: Glass ceiling failure. 1 drink over the limit. 2 beers at our younger daughter's 2nd birthday party, then surprise babysitting allowed mommy and daddy to go out for a drink later. Unusual enough an opportunity to be worth a (small) failure, I thought.

Congratulations, sgstarling and Vigilant2010! Great "compliance" -- and always nice to see some pounds lost as well. I'm interested that you're doing a phased approach, Vigilant. There's been some chatter about it over the years here on the board, but (to my knowledge) you're the first to give it a ...

Congratulations, StrawberryRoan! And 14 pounds too, my favorite number :-) As for maintenance, as others have pointed out, long term maintenance is where no-s really shines. There's no "phase 2." Phase 2 is phase 1, except easier. My problem before has ALWAYS been. Okay, you're thin enough. Go back ...

Great to see you here again, Jan!

On three systems, no less!

Looking forward to lots more smileys,

Reinhard

I'll get my hands on the aol browser.

But I think in the meantime, if you click on the tag to highlight it, and then click "load" it should work.

(I'm thinking of using checkboxes instead of a multi selection list to make this more obvious)

Hope that works, at least.

Reinhard

Hi getoka, It doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong. It may be that the web browser you're using and the habitcal aren't getting along on some technical level. If you let me know exactly what browser and operating system your using, I will try to reproduce this. If I can get it to happen my...

Dear Carolejo,

Our older daughter had "intrauterine growth retardation" but turned out to be fine (though small) so I have some inkling of the agony you must be going through, though this sounds far more serious.

You and your family have my prayers and deepest sympathies,

Reinhard

KCCC wrote: 2) However, I think using the term "addiction" is not helpful. It is a term that gives up control and conscious choice. I would avoid it simply to reclaim the element of choice. Say that you really like chips, that you find them hard to resist, that they're a big problem for you... all o...

I'd just like to thank ~reneew for starting these "monthly challenges." I haven't inserted myself hre yet because it seemed a little unfair for the "guru" who's been doing this for years to "compete" (in however friendly a way) with relative newbies, but now that marc at least has already surpassed ...

Wow, a lot of action in the 21 club over the weekend. Welcome, jenglish, mimi, and breeze-at-dawn! Mimi -- you're right to be (optimistically) cautious. If anyone has a "right" to be complacent about no-s it should be me, but I'm *still* keeping a habitcal for no-s as a helpful little reminder of my...

These "secrets" are pretty obvious! (and no so particularly French -- all traditional cultures ate this way, more or less, until quite recently). As Boa Vista points out: I think the French traditional habits of daily living resemble the NoS diet. Specifically: no snacking; not eating sugary sweets ...

Welcome back, Betty! One thing I think that might be helpful in guarding against complacency, that feeling you might get once you feel like you've got no-s basically down and can "afford" to slack off, is to keep on marking the habitcal. It may seem like a pointless effort ticking off one green day ...

Well, my wife doesn't no-s either (nor does she need to, she's one of those rare instinctively moderate people). I think, realistically, it's only a minority of people who are going to get their spouses to go along with them -- at least initially. But just think how much harder it would be if you we...

Well, they may not have worked, but those are some great names!

Sounds like with no-s you've found the right medium for your inspired modding -- great names and great results.

Congratulations! (and thanks for sharing them)

Reinhard

Catbert, a no-s veteran of 5 and a half years just posted her "new style" testimonial here:

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=5112

She lost a significant amount of weight (30 pounds) but most impressive is how she's been able to keep if off all this time.

Reinhard

Catbert,

It's great to see you around here again -- especially with such good news to report (and such lovely pictures!).

Steep drops are nice, but nothing makes me happier than seeing sustained successes like yours.

Congratutions and thank you for sharing it here with us!

Reinhard

I love the idea, but Emeralds might be the wrong level of granularity for beginners. Seems like it would take a LOT of compliance to get to that level. Ditto a car. Fortunately, cash is also green. We need some moderation [no] sugar daddy to pay a dollar for each day of compliance. Perhaps financed ...

klauver, Welcome! Some questions to help you decide next steps: 1. Was your compliance was good this last month? If not, don't mod. Try for better compliance next month. I wouldn't consider a "results" inspired mod until at least a month on 100% behavioral compliance, preferably longer. 2. Keep in m...

but I'm going to have to reduce the time I spend on -- maybe I should go on just once a day -- but I find that it's become like an addiction where I'm tempted to go on several times a day (why not! another addiction in addition to food. LOL). Positively, I have an n-daily task on my punch card to p...

Good luck, Kathleen! Those sound sensible -- let us know how they go. For those who haven't heard/seen it already, here's part II of the mods and tweaks trilogy: How to tweak (in which I discuss a previous mod of Kathleen's, among others). http://everydaysystems.com/podcast/episode.php?id=36 Reinhard

From Reinhard's video of flip the lever, it seems that the momentum of the swing is doing a lot of the work. Yup. Doesn't bother me. Real world work uses momentum, too. There's a limit in shovelglove as to how much you can cheat with momentum because you have to "catch" the darn thing at the end of...

Now I'm confused. What if you've been counting for a few weeks, and each week has one, or two, failures. Would you recommend to keep counting? It sounds like you haven't hit 21 days of 100% compliance. If you still think the habit is worth forming, then continuing to count isn't a bad idea. Have yo...

Yellow, no question. And take as many as you need. It's BAD to force yourself to shug if you're hurt. Quoting the home page: Shovelglove shouldn't hurt. If something does, stop immediately, and take the next day off. Since I started in early 2002, I've never shugged even slightly hurt -- and thanks ...

I'd suggest getting one habit firmly down before moving onto the next. 21 days of 100% compliance is a good minimum threshold for assessing this. A solid month is even better. Knowing that "I have to get this habit down!" before getting to move on to the next one is additional incentive to really es...

Well, halfway.

I'm nowhere near doing this, but looks intriguing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/healt ... ref=health

HG, Great to see you here again! And great to hear that no-s is still working for you. I have mostly gotten past the "No! I failed! Now I must fail the rest of the day too! That is a huge milestone! I've been doing chin-ups. I've been doing "opportunistic" chinups and pullups for a few months now, t...

I'm so glad you all liked it!

I have ideas for at least few more episodes beyond part three.

I'd like to get back on a monthly schedule, at least until I run through these. Not sure if I'll be able to pull that off... but worth a try.

Reinhard

Reinhard should be on there!!!

I agree!

I've been thinking about how we could do that

I have no idea.... but if more and more people keep practicing and succeeding on no-s, she's bound to find out about it eventually right?

So keep those habitcals green for Oprah

Reinhard

yesterday marked my first "across the board" green day. Maybe that doesn't sound like much, but to me it's huge!! Congratulations, Deb! That is huge. One think that might help repeat performances is getting the 14 minutes out of the way as soon as possible in the day -- the longer you wait, the mor...

Mon May 25th (memorial day): nosdiet and shovelglove special day.

Sat may 30th: weekend luddite failure. I decided it was worth chalking up a failure to get the part 2 of the mods and tweaks trilogy out already.

I vastly prefer mornings and that's what I did for my first few years of shovelglove, but it's just not possible anymore with our girls (they let us sleep till 6 if we're lucky). I've found a couple ways to make evenings more palatable (and likely to happen): 1) my wife and I do our 14 minutes toget...

Welcome, congratulations on your success so far, and happy birthday!

Reinhard

Hey, the more the merrier. I'm not exactly the first guy who ever thought of swinging a stick with a weight on the end around for exercise. But buying a sledgehammer does seem a tad safer and more convenient than drilling a hole through a rock and praying it doesn't come flying off your "animal stic...

Jay, thank you for posting this -- means a lot coming from someone in your line of work!

Reinhard

Glad you liked it!

Sorry "rapid succession" turned into a solid month between episodes 1 and 2... I'll try to be quicker with part three.

Reinhard

Violating Weekend Luddite to get this out:

http://everydaysystems.com/podcast/episode.php?id=36

Reinhard

The good news is that 15 minutes of snow shoveling counts as moderate physical activity according to the 1996 Surgeon General's Report on Physical Activity and Health. I wonder if 14 minutes cuts it :-) One study determined that after only two minutes of shoveling, sedentary mens' heart rates rose ...

magicman, Good luck combining hackers + no-s! I'm not a huge fan of results stats for this kind of thing, but it certainly is compatible with no-s. And if you're going to weigh at all, you might as well be scientific about it. I do like compliance stats, of course. And I would like to add something ...

Sounds reasonable -- if the status quo is much more than 4. I think the biggest danger is that when you hit that limit, it might be very hard to stop. Each drink erodes a bit of restraint (sort of the point, right?). When I started, 2 drinks seemed like nothing. My tolerance has gone way down, and I...

Best of luck, Deb. Sorry you've been down lately... I do think reducing the number of things you're concentrating on is a good idea. Being settled in the new place should help, too. Best of luck making it to 21 and beyond! Keep posting here for a quick morale boost if you run into the slightest hint...

Social pressure is the only s that gets me these days.

But even that is rare (having a book out is a great excuse -- do they really want me to be a hypocrite?).

Reinhard

This is great... thanks!

Makes a mere 14 minutes 5 days weeks sound like nothing

Reinhard

Boa, I'm afraid that you're unlikely to make any converts until they've seen you practice no-s happily and successfully for a good long time... But my guess is you will then, at least partially. What you can do to speed things along is, as KCCC suggests, to shop and prepare your (and anyone else's w...

Welcome, Aya! I know that this isn't really no-s, but I thought someone else out there might be interested. It might not be orthodox no-s, but it's clearly no-s-like. It's a form of "systematic moderation." The details are obviously important, but these sound very sensible. Hope it works for you and...

It's certainly allowed -- and some here have had great success with 2 meal no-s. That being said, I think 3 meals is a safer bet for most people, and it's what I myself do. Besides the statistical correlation between skipping breakfast and being overweight, there's the weight of tradition, which can...

I realized that one of the almost subconscious irrational 'fears" I have is that if I eat only three, healthy, reasonable portioned meals a day, I'll be eating so few calories that my metabolism will slow down. Three full meals a day is plenty -- I really wouldn't worry about it messing up your met...

I think the visual power of the single plate rule "scales" well. Yes, one is always one, big or small. But a big heaping plate that will look appropriate for an NFL player is going to look absurd for a little lady. I don't think many people will have to systematically worry about this. If you just f...

Congratulations and welcome, StrawberryRoan and ~Reneew!

Your numbers are great, but even better are your "self control" and "new healthy habits."

Reinhard

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