Everyday Systems

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WTH is typical and why most people who even start a diet quit within a couple of weeks. You are so smart to see the failures as adjustment.

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Thanks, ladies. No Costco samples? I don't know whether I'd be happy not to have the temptation or sad not to get some bites sometimes. :? Regarding exercise: dammit! I had broken the record for my longest streak (10 days straight instead of 9! woo hoo!) and was even thinking of doing the exercise w...

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I did and do plenty of un-useful things between meals. I'm pretty sure what I said was something I stole that from a decades -ago OA maxim: three meals a day and life in between. Life in between is MUCH harder than not eating! I spent many hours watching TV, researching eating habits of traditoinal ...

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Feb. 15, 2018
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and my goodness this is from a long time ago.
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SPAM alert. I'll report it.

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I could get close to 3,000 on one S day, but not the next one. Yet, with the RIGHT foods, who knows...

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What an excellent read of yourself to guess that you needed a different strategy for the binging. I needed more time between meals. Go figure!

I like whole milk, too, when I drink it. I never want to get used to skim again.

Warmest wishes on the transition.

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We could have been each other's Valentine! It's almost embarrassing to say that it's been only a few years since I didn't cave and eat a LOT of chocolate on V day, or the day after with all the sales. And I still feel a tug for it. But the neural net is finally strong enough to save me. I wonder if ...

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Not that you asked but something that helped me get over wanting Friday Freedom was making a Bisquick biscuit- yes, just one!- and topping it with strawberries fresh or frozen, and plain yogurt with a whiff of stevia. I would have that at lunch or dinner, and it felt like I was looking forward to so...

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Have had many of those hours, Lilybug. Getting up and out can sound like that last thing you would be able to do. With No S, I got to the point where just watching a lot of TV or even crying for awhile was better than eating. Other things were, too, but those two were ones most people wouldn't think...

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So your days are getting slowly shorter now. I hated being in the dark for so long many winters because I often woke up at 4 (insomnia, not choice) Light! Light! I wanted light early! Now I'm on the other side because I'm not working and was enyoing being able to get out and walk during the civil tw...

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Keep up doing the best you can with establishing consistent meal habits, if that's still an issue. Then if after they are very, very solid, they're a good baseline to jump off from and to come back to, if desired, though it might take some effort to reestablish them. Well, it did me. I have been so ...

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So true about holidays and food focus. How about filling up on different activities, new scenes (probably beautiful), people watching, the company? And a flaming dessert! Got to have my end-of-lunch coffee; I'm feeling a tug of snackiness after reading that. And all the pancake stuff. When I've been...

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Re: fried foods. What YOU may not be able to do, and there is no shame in this, is eat little enough of those foods to lose weight and feel happy about it, at least for now. It may take enough effort that it could be as valuable just to expand the repertoire of enjoyable meals and practice intermitt...

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Thanks for continued well wishes! So much on the mend that I sometimes forget and put my whole foot down. The pain on doing that is actually minor but I know it would be a mistake to be fooled by that. I imagine that's going to get a little harder as the weeks progress and the foot feels like it can...

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I think some people bring the emphasis on thinness to the "table" here, but it's the excess eating that it seems to me Reinhard emphasizes. Sure, on his first main page, before the book, he talked in very plain terms about the origins of fatness, but it really seemed like moderation was the goal whe...

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Only two months in. Very much on your way!

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Insightful about menstrual cravings., IMHO. Gotta love that PFC! It's just about the only thing that can fight the limbic system. But it can take a lot of practice to win. It's an individual thing how the perception of that difficulty is. I've looked only briefly at your recent history. You may have...

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AMAZING parallel. It reminds me so much of Reinhard's basic goal: systematic moderation. Sure, he was glad to lose a fair amount of fat, but I submit that the philosophical underpinning was/is crucial to his adherence. (If you've listened to his podcasts, there is very little discussion of the weigh...

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Having a sweet tooth is more the norm than not. Easy access has raised the baseline of nearly every generation since the early 1800's. The average then: the sugar in one can of coke every five days; now 17 cans of coke every five days. You don't get to that kind of average (17x!) without a lot of th...

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Good insights. thumbs up

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Developing a routine for what the parts of your meals are and learning to keep the foods on hand to make them is a useful skill. When I first started, I would make sure I had one item that I felt was a bit decadent. I actually was already eating relatively healthy meals. But I would plan for a biggi...

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Try not to take your cravings personally, if you were. Most bodies like food coming down the pike often. Witness countries where there is no thin ideal. They nibble as often as they can and are getting fatter just like the rest of us. The difference is that most of them don't feel cruddy about thems...

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I've told this story before, but years ago I was looking at a photo album at my parents' house and asked my mom who this girl was in one of the pictures. She had skinny arms and looked very normal for her age, maybe 10 years old. My mom said, "That's you!" I was amazed because my brother had called ...

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Hi, Heather! TX. Have to wear my protective boot for 4-6 weeks. I've had less pain with this than with headaches I used to get. Pretty lucky.

update below

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I think 6,000 might be enough to overwhelm the body's first reaction of stepping up the burning to try to keep equilibrium. Intake over a month would likely give a more realistic look but it can be hard to "risk" going that long. By Friday, even if you're still a pound up, there's no way to know fro...

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Because itâ€™s winter? I hope things feel like they ease up soon.

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I'm with you about mist beating snow. I have a friend in Minneapolis. She moved back there after seven years in SoCal because she likes the change of seasons. Boy, she's gettin' 'em!

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Lower brain: Let's get stuff!
PFC: Let's just wait!

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Smart move. A beverage with the guests if they're not used to saving their appetite? I hope you enjoy their company.

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I saw another therapist for awhile; he said most of his patients are cases of "arrested development." He didn't say it in a critical way; for whatever reason, they just don't move forward emotionally from that stage. Most are very functional and even very successful in other ways. But they get ruffl...

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I was an early proponent of IE and I found it did actually help me see the difference which is why I often refer to fake hunger. There can be tons (ok, that's exaggerated) reasons for us to feel the need to eat, and yes, being full is in the recognized repertoire. The average body likes overeating! ...

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I've been seeing a therapist temporarily and she wanted to tell me her take on one reason I have had such difficulty with teens at school. She said it's their psychological job to separate from adults close to them and will tangle more with those who seem to get in the way. I know I have some respon...

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It's two hours to see the dentist? Do you live in Portwenn?

That makes me want one of the few meal bars I have stashed away...

Keep up the good work! Your blips are minor.

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What happens to Rawcookie happens to me, too. I read it as the body's rebellion against losing for dear life's sake. But since I know it to be an illusion that I'm in danger, I think we've come to an agreement. It's higher than it was at its lightest, but the urges are less annoying, too. It IS conv...

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First off, I am so sorry for your family's sorrows. I hope the worst of it is over. Although I suspected that I might get back to not-slim high school weight partly because I hadn't been 50lb more for a really long time (so I think I had a better chance of affecting my new set point), I committed to...

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Your options sound very reasonable. I don't believe at all that you take your life or granted, but it is true that being a college teacher ranks pretty high for job satisfaction-when it's the teaching. And really, since there are actually so few outlets for jobs that provide non-mainstream environme...

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Big congrats! Way back when I was doing some coursework for an extra certificate for my credential, I remember specifically being in my pajamea working on a paper (which was actually an interesting paper to work on) along with working my way through a package of big chocolate chip cookies from Costc...

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Not that you need anyone else chiming in, it seems to me that the caloric beverage is meant for exactly that kind of situation. (But getting past hunger to sleep may have had good effects, too. ) I agree that No S is so mild in comparison with so many other reduction programs that it can get around ...

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RE: eating. I have not been keeping to my S day mod of saving S's for social situations only. I think I need to let it go until I am more convinced it is worth the adjustment period. I will keep the no social/no sweets, as that was working for a few years. No seconds isn't usually a sticking point. ...

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Thank you! It has actually not been bad even from the beginning unless I step on it. That may sound like a lot, but no throbbing, no shooting pain any time every time I move the leg, no keeping me awake at night. I think if it had been the joint, I would be in a lot more trouble.

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Some "hunger" is just the body seeking the reward it got at this regular time, or the reward of a junk-type food. Also, everyone has some stored glucose. When the ingested glucose and insulin levels drop, the body goes after the stored glucose. If we didn't have that, there likely wouldn't be humans...

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Thanks for your well wishes.

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I don't. Never did. In fact, I find when I get really hungry, most of the time, it takes less food before I start feeling full. But I usually eat what's on my plate, It's a reasonable plate!

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I posted a long response to your question on my thread but may have forgotten what your work actually is while you're homeschooling.

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Tough call, auto. Is it the kids, the hours, the admin, the expectations? You don't have to answer. I just asked in case being an aide was an option. Shorter hours, no outside work, insurance (yes?) a retirement. What does your husband think? If you did it, I would recommend that you take out a big ...

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Do you think you end up eating about the same amount of food in each window, with the weekend window longer for social events? You could get a couple of them in there.

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I see parallels in other areas of my life, too, but they are harder to draw lines around: anxiety, Maybe I'll finally trade obsessions and see if I can figure it out. But seeing how long I had been dealing with the food stuff was part of what made me think, gawd, I'm going to do this my whole life i...

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I wonder if the hard core ones are Cathe Frederick. She is still going strong. And yes, I have one.

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TX, milliem. On the 1-minute site, the exercises rotate each day between planks, squats, and sitting on a chair lifting your bottom up off the seat (feet still on the ground in level 2). Believe me, today got enough practice with my crutches that I went WAY past a minute exercising most of the same ...

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How delightful!

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Just to note, my stomach growling is often not accompanied by the sensation of true hunger. It's just a blip along the way.

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When I started, since I wasn't concentrating on weight loss, I made sure I had clothes that fit comfortably. Something in me must have had an inkling things would change because I bought them at thrift stores so I wouldn't feel like I had given up too much if I did drop a size. They always say to ge...

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I certainly think the time restrcted eating rather than the calorie limit focus is a more reasonable way to help people cut down their eating more pleasantly, since it doesn't yank their cherished foods away prematurely! No S is just the first tier in that, and was all most people needed for a long ...

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Excellent. I bet some day you'll come home hungry and won't feel you endured it, but be grateful for it because your dinner will taste so good!

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Oh, Buns of Steel and Callanetics were in there. (A friend of mine here somehow got to know Callan Pinckney, though she was based in New York, I think. She died quite young, in her early 60s.) I had Simmons long ago, but moved on. Did I say somewhere that I actually do many of the moves I learned in...

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I agree about the past and the food supply. It was NOT rosy for much of the population and isn't now, either. I really I misspoke because I meant that people will die because of the complications brought on by overeating and yet have so much trouble making the changes.. Honestly I think that would b...

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Hi, Gil! You know I've had bumps along the way. Ladybird, I believe it takes a little bit of luck to have the habits completely do all the work in this food-rich environment. People in slim cultures make some efforts, too. I've also read from some long-timers that they are actually compliant only 85...

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Hump day over.

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Hi again, TFK. I think my "obsession" with this whole topic is a coping strategy for my anxiety. Maybe that's the same thing as your observation. I remember one particularly tough year at work, I would log on to Spark and here several times a day, sometimes even during class, when the students were ...

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Thanks, everyone, for your concern and good wishes. It actually wasn't bad. I was so surprised to find out today that I did fracture a bone! Left pinky metatarsal. Only about a 3-inch square of the foot had swollen, and I still thought it was just a big bruise or sprain or I don't know what. Got a b...

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Good morning! Neuroscientist Stephen Guyenet (and probably others) says the brain definitely has many (don't we know it) mechanisms to get us to eat to prevent starvation, but appears to have none or very subtle ones to limit overages. Good 100,000 years ago; not so good with pizza and chocolate unl...

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TX. I won't be standing much on it! I can kneel with that foot on a chair. I won't be using many SG moves because of momentum issues. It's actually kinda interesting. I've so rarely had injuries that really keep me still.

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Not sure what you meant by "I left No S again." You don't have to succeed every day nor check in to be "on" it. It's a matter of aspiring. You wont know until you give it a few months whether it will bring weight loss as is or if you may need some mods. The point is that doing the least you have to ...

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Sorry if I misunderstood. Didn't mean to blah blah about me. :roll: Good for you seeing a change to your S days that you're willing to do. Coffee drinks were my friends longer than needed, prolly, too. But I stand by them in certain situations. Or they might fly away, too. It sounds beautiful how gr...

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Well, this should be interesting. I didn't feel that my left foot had gone to sleep and in going into the other room, I couldn't control the position of my foot and the left side rolled as I put my full weight on it, realizing the problem too late. It hurt a lot! It took about four hours to go throu...

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mistake

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See update below.

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You're funny! You think you might be the most addicted person in the world. Look at the world! Every place people get access to more food, especially modern processed foods, there are literally tons of people "addicted" to food. I used to tune out when I'd read someone go on a rampage against Big Fo...

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Just in case some new person comes to check things out, I'll add that I've been doing enough walking and short Shovelglove-like workouts for long enough now that the other day when I was trying to get to my sunrise viewing point in a bit of a hurry, I ended up being able to jog the whole way instead...

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All in the mix.

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The convenience/fast food/snack food scientists have known how to design food to compete with the "real" stuff for a long time, way before this article I'm adding from 2013. Kessler wrote about the effects of salt, sugar, and fat (before the book of a similar title a few years ago) in 2009 and that ...

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It wasn't for the first six years for me, either. Not a trick, sadly. I'd rather have the appetite! But it's now not very pleasant to go ahead and have a real meal. Way too full and often a sense that I'm just feeding the body's fear of starving, which is an illusion! This body would have a loooong ...

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Apprentice, I just want to acknowledge your success being almost at goal after having been overweight/obese for such a long time. Me, too. I was okay in my teens (and didn't know it). The body really likes to hang on to long-established weight. You are beating the odds! Maintaining a 5-10% loss is b...

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That was my sleep life for several years. But it's been wacky for 20+years. I will caution you to try to find something else other than the laptop to look at as the light is more "awakening" than a printed page. Or you can listen to stuff without looking at the screen. Soft=spoken podcasts or youtub...

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Green is green exactly. It's not like we live on farms and are close to the house for all meals.

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HI, LG! Each person just has to figure this out on her own and stick with it without much explanation to others. The more my eating can match the core social times of others, and the less obvious I make it to limit myself the way I choose to, the less anyone else pays attention. I don't chime in any...

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Welcome back? I see you joined in '15. Enjoy every bite today!

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GP, I can't imagine how to get an icon from my phone to this website. :roll: Not sure I understand your question, but pretty sure I wouldn't be able to answer it even if I did. :( I've decided to add :!: icons for each day I exercise. I'm doing a minimum minute of resistance work a day, so they will...

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It's up to you. I've seen it work both ways. Not sure how much you have to lose but you still have a little time to experiment.

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Yes, recrimination after the fact leads to feelings of resentment and rebellion against the "taskmaster." McGonigal found that those who had indulged who came to believe that "everyone does it" and "you'll be better next time were less likely to overeat later. But ANTICIPATING feeling regret or recr...

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I read awhile back something very interesting on Stephen Guyenet's (he's a neuroscientist who has been studying fat accumulation for years, maybe decades)site about circulating insulin and fat accumulation. That is purported as one of the reasons for increasing the gap between the eating windows, to...

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Heather, my guess is that without a cultural practice of savoring meals, it doesn't happen naturally. It's a human imperative to get dense calories when possible, and in the far past, there was a real advantage to get them in fast just so that we COULD eat more. Those who couldn't didn't have as goo...

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Very much on track with the "adjustment." Sounds similar to my eating life before, though I don't know if you ate tons of sweets outside of meals as I did.

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Not giving in on Tuesday is an extra success.

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Where'd you get those green hearts?

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Nice work. I think I averaged out to about 85% compliance the first year.

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I had many 3-lb. gains over just one S day. I did track the daily weight, but don't remember noticing when it dropped back each week. By the next Friday the average was back for sure (I still weighed every day and averaged once a week, though weight loss was not my issue even if I was fat; just curi...

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I always think of them as S days even if they are S=free. I guess I get a kick out of feeling the freedom on not needing them even thoughI could have them, rather that I am not "taking" the S day. I always "take" the S day, even without the S's. Quirky or obsessive- who can say!

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flyingpig wrote: So good. So s.

No dinner because, well, see above.

Love 'em both.

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Fantastic progress points, really. Give yourself lots of kudos for any observations on them, without getting too obsessed. That way the brain knows what to shoot for, and may help nudge you into whittling away at some of the "offending" habits, too.

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When you suspect that the "pain" of eating too much S food is likely greater than the pain you will go through wanting to eat but not doing it, it becomes possible to make the effort. In my case, and yours may be different, the difficulty of holding out against the S urges on S days was harder than ...

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Eating feels pretty good. There's been progress on exercise, though I missed logging my 1-minute stint yesterday, so my streak ended. I really wanted to have a perfect February. It also hurt because I have a new daily kinda warmup routine I did and I got in 6.6 miles of walking to and from a couple ...

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Milliem, having S days that are no wilder than they were before N days is a big win. You are WAY ahead of the game.

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H! Your soup "plan" sounds fine. It's likely very similar to putting the bowl on a dinner plate and then fitting the accompanying food around it. I also have those large, shallow soup bowls with a wide rim, so I balance the other stuff on the rim. I will still eat a piece of fruit if I want. I haven...

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Good to hear it, Heather!

My "recovery" from the autumn slide feels stronger and stronger. Exercise (my bigger focus this year) getting more consistent, if short.

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I don't doubt that insecurity in the least. How could you not be when everything revolves around fitting such a perky, delighted, and thin image? When it's likely you worry about every mouthful of food, not because you're casually feeling whether it's just going to make you a little too full, but ra...

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I think I never even did the Weighted Shoe workout. However, true mild hoarder than I am, I didn't give that one away, even though I have no idea if my video player- I found that I DO have one- still works. And just today I found out that I don't even know how to turn on the [used] flat TV that some...

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Is that a Cornish pasty you had yesterday? They kind of did me in when I visited England. Them and the Cadbury's chocolate, since I had lived and travelled overseas for nearly three years before that, where chocolate was "not like home." I hope it doesn't set you off on some weird habits to let you ...

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