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Set the oven on fire, huh? Some people will do anything to get out of cooking...

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Mitchell, the practice of moms giving food as love is pretty common. It's a practice in many cultures. (I'm a little surprised my mom DIDN'T do it. But she actually wasn't much of a cook. My dad liked to make dinner. I don't remember my mother EVER making cookies, from scratch or not. )

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Got more to say but wanted to document that I am actually able to work several hours a day on decluttering and cleaning. It is rather peaceful, but somehow, I don't think it would have been back when I was working and inert a lot of time. AND, I've accumulated about 3,000 steps just walking back and...

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Hi, D. I'm on break from my job (even without its being MLK day) and doing some browsing. I wondered how you rode the wave of season's eating. I've been working on decreasing flour foods for years, actually. I felt I was doing fine enough with them for my first years on No S, but when I found myself...

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If the habits don't just come with no sweat, it doesn't hurt to do some "bible study."

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No, but teeth brushing as a "meal ender" was also recommended on the Mindless Eating website years ago when they had that feature. (And it is a good one for more than one reason!) I'll do something more like have a hot beverage. I have about 12 ounces of coffee in the morning, and may split my one b...

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Update on Jan. 30.

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Excellent! Having the excess at meal time is a great step down strategy that Reinhard was very savvy about.

Give yourself big props.

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I don't think I can blame my parents exactly, though they weren't completely innocent. But it's not their influence I've felt the most resentful of in the past. I don't know how you escaped it because for me it was the cultural emphasis on thinness that led me to feel my eating had to be unacceptabl...

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Ha! I looked at what I said here in 2013. Even though I talked about automaticity, I'm not sure everything I've been through/done feels automatic.I sometimes can't believe I'm still toying with the plate, but I have never regretted my efforts. What were my options? So if it took 4.5 years, I get it....

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Guestimates at this point are entirely appropriate. Even when we're more adept at "eyeing" the servings, it's often a crapshoot at a restaurant anyway. I usually use my hand parts but it still took me awhile before I didn't find out a few hours later that I had overdone it.

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Oh, my word on the birthdays. Are they all YOUR kids? I sounded so preachy above but I can't resist this:for the parties, summon your inner French woman but without the cigarette. Can you see some casually graceful Parisian woman taking cake every time she's offered it? Zat is for ze cheeldren! Of i...

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Are you afraid WE would judge you for eating take away that often? Did you make some kind of mod for that that I never read?

Green is green!

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I wish we had an icon for clapping hands. I am a tech klutz when it comes to finding ones on the net and using them in my own posts.

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"Talk" about this stuff with me anytime! I'm still fascinated by it, I guess in part because it still plays a role in my life. Are you going to "attend" the webinar tomorrow morning? I signed up. I do wonder about myself, since I'm not really tortured by it all. Why am I so interested in the fine po...

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Hi! I think it's amazing that you have a dog that can bike!

Love being part of the "tribe' with you.

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Hi, F&E. Welcome to the first year of the rest of you No S life! (If you like it. You can judge in a year.)

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"Savor" is one of my favorite words about eating.

I love your allusion to the "second marshmallow,"; I'm assuming here it's a metaphor!

Posting is definitely not a requirement. If it helps, terrific. Some of us are voyeurs, but it's not your job to make us happy!

Enjoy every bite!

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Did you make it? It's 9:30 p.m.there..unless you live in Cambridge, England.

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In my own interpretation, Reinhard's interest is in moderation that can lead to weight loss but weight loss is not a true goal, as the moderation is. I doubt if he had NOT lost weight if he would have been scouring the internet for other solutions. On having a goal weight: "I don't think there is mu...

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I predict you will.

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Me, too.

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Never underestimate the gift of an enjoyable job.

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How did the mods work during the holidays, ladies? Did you stick with them, or give yourself some leeway? Thanks

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I don't know how many people look at my thread but I am posting info on a free webiinar happening this Sunday presented by Gillian Riley. Her program isn't just like No S, but it touches on some of the tricky stuff that happens in our brains when we try to reduce intake. She emphasizes the element o...

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Welcome home, MM! Preach alert! Please don't let the trip rule your efforts. After the trip happens, you may lose your incentive and go downhill... maybe even on the trip. Once in awhile, that kind of thing sets off better habits that STAY, but I'd be surprised if that's typical. Have an incentive t...

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Woohoo, you are about to have a green week!

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The desire fizzled. I forget what I had instead, but I know I liked it. I'll save spaghetti for a social situation. It used to be my goto afternoon food after I had exhausted myself on pancakes with syrup and big bars of chocolate all morning. I know now why that was. The body loves variety. Read st...

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me, too, until I found a really compelling reason to change. But I wouldn't recommend adopting someone else's reason.

Besides, even now, given the right situation, I'd easily have the equivalent of what you had, though it's more likely to be Mexican.

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She may not have tested it. I also "needed" bigger lunches. Actully I probably did, because I got legitimately hungry before the next of the three meals. These days, it does take smaller meals to have the same thing happen, and even then sometimes... But I don't yet enjoy it, though I am coming to a...

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= NWS

The rest are self-explanatory.

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Which part of Washington state? I've visited Seattle and the Cascades. Stunning! I wish I had thought I could make a living up there. (It was kind of a case of the devil I knew.)

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Savor, on that note of how long a year seems, it helped me to put in perspective by thinking about how many years I had spent thinking I could get to ease in a few weeks. Being 56 and grappling with it all for decades, I realized a year was the least I could give! The few people I've known what happ...

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Ditto not chastising yourself It reinforces the habit! You have done what nearly all maintainers have done in their first two years of adjusting to the new lifestyle. Lordy, I had plenty of those days. Itâ€™s just an old pattern. The more you can magnify the regret (NOT shame or guilt), the more cha...

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Chotzinoff, if you a look at the check-in forum, you'll see variations on what people do. If you look at Reinhard's, you'll see it's quite minimalist, but then he didn't have much resistance or difficulty with the process. Many do a lot more analyzing than was ever called for, but if that's what it ...

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RE: the trial. Fingers crossed.

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Realistic N day choice. One meal out of 1,100 a year- give or take a few.

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Did you get that idea (a good one) from one of Reinhard's podcasts? I'm not sure which one it is, but I think it's fairly obvious if you look at the titles. He believes a month is a good time to make one habit the focus. I think he means to make it something you can absolutely do, no waffling. The l...

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see below

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BIG win.

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Only one way to find out, Tracey.

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I just meant the largeness.

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I believe you can still eat reasonably at McDonalds. Not that they WANT you to.

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Not all addictions are controlled by swearing off the substance. But if you really hate the pull sugar has on you, and never feel happy about having it, I say (and no one asked me) it makes plenty of sense to choose to skip it forever. It's been only a few hundred years that it's been available in t...

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Okay, I have my metric. I am a woman of the world!

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Gillian Riley says it is SO important to make choices not to eat from our own experience. Not that we "can't"eat but that we really know, I mean REALLY know it is in our best interest not to eat, either right then, or in certain situations When we do that, there is much less a sense of deprivation a...

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The large dinner was a treat, too, no?

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MUCH smarter.

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Frozen cookie dough would not be safe in my house. More power to you!

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I'm humbled thinking about how demanding your schedule is. :shock: Hope your daughter likes and makes progress at her school, esp. with the commute. I think it's actually an advantage not to have time to think about food much. If you feel you aren't eating very smartly, you can take a look at that a...

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I agree about having your own thread. A lot of use have gone all analytical, but originally, if you look at Reinhard's, it was very cryptic. You can check in as briefly as you wish. And you don't have to tell us anything more. But you can! In fact, and you didn't ask, I know, but I will offer that i...

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If you had invested $1,000 in Medifast five years ago, you would now be worth $8,730. (Am I right? A rise of 873% on 1000 is 8,730?) You would likely be no lighter, and neither would 95-97% of the people who made you richer (not a bad return for $1,000) if the overall research on dieting is right. I...

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Such a lovely, modest goal weight. And, not that it's a competition

, you'll be lighter than 77% of your peers... and doing it enjoying yourself!

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Sweeet!

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Here ya go, r.jean! I do a quarterly "thing" with eating that I don't want to go into the details of because it has been a diversion on No S (on the main boards) where I never meant it to go. Suffice it to say that it does involve more (very temporary) "delay" than canonical No S, but it's not for w...

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Auto, I think you should put that on the catchphrase thread.

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Tons of awesome! I am in awe of people who can bake any sweets and not fail egregiously. One of the women on a Sparkteam I'm on, who used to weigh 220 and has stabilized at about 150 for a few years, plus was a binger, can do it. I feel like my even trying would be like the Wicked Witch of the West ...

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I'd only have to cook for 200, but believe me, they'd be sorry.

And I doubt there's much flab...

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ditto the kudos on stopping at the "repair."

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Are saag paneer and palak paneer the same thing? I know I've had palak paneer many times and LOVE it. I think of it/therm as main dishes, I guess because of the panir. I've never made it, but I've bought some darn good commercial versions that I use lightly as my flavorings/sauce for my plain other ...

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You two must be saints. I wonder that you even needed No S. I've NEVER been so overwhelmed by food that I didn't eat any. :shock: :? I feel like the kid seeing the emperor with no clothes when people talk about how much they need to bring for a potluck. I think, You DO realize ... just the math you ...

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Rich foods can mess with our expectations. It's so small! But we don't need much and yet it really does seem very common that when people start in on an S, they have more later. I often do the same thing, or did while I was going through my hiatus. Who knows why. I say it works to go cold turkey or ...

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First, sorry about your mom. I can't imagine what it would have been like to lose my mom so young. It's great that you know of something as sane as No S. It sounds like you never dieted, and that is to your benefit. I think you're also lucky not to expect you're going to get very thin. There's defin...

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I am kind of the same way, millem. I know exactly what you mean about the wrap and two fried things at one meal. I feel a little sad sometimes when I go to an Indian restaurant because I know I will feel rotten if I eat all the fantastic starches, not to mention the rest of it, AND raita, AND gulab ...

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I still like white food, but not every day. And I know EXACTLY what you mean about restaurant salads. Lettuce and a couple of bites of other veg is not a salad! Ok, maybe in France. Buffets are a moderate eater's nightmare, though most people haven't recognized it. (I sometimes would wonder when Rei...

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Merry, I don't want to turn this into a pi$$ing contest, but one of the women on a Spark team I "run" lives in Canada and she reported before Christmas that it was 25 below that day! She and her husband have cows and other farm duties, though she had a regular job until she retired, and she's always...

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Welcome, All! I expect we'll see people joining at various times during January and even some after that. Gingerpie, I have forgotten I wasn't going to do X a half hour after I said I wouldn't and didn't realize until a few hours later that I had just plain forgotten. It doesn't even feel at those t...

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Forgot to say I was also lucky that my school had lunch at 12:30 p.m., not an hour earlier as most schools do. I guess I would have gotten used to it, but I hate eating lunch that early. I'm not always hungry then, or only mildly, and I'd rather look forward lunch and then a short afternoon of class...

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You could have had dinner EOD. Varady's research was done on lunch, it's true, but Brad Pilon, author of Eat Stop Eat says it's up to the faster. Anyway, it's an option and one you could incorporate it later if you want more loss.

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And you could slightly adjust your dinner plate volume and consider that virtual plating. Slim people do it all the time.

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Did you mean Judith Beck? Martha's the one who snuck massive amounts of sweets and snacks into a diet center for a group of people she was working with there. Well, I forget how she was associated but she wasn't in the center. :shock: It's easier to obey the lower brain because it's on a survival pr...

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I had my thinking turned around. Agreed, Merry.

I suspect that most people's eating also inched up after each holiday and the body upped its set point. Normally, the body will want to bring things back to equilibrium.

In any case, Vanilla and SOMETIMES.

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And envious of our fires, following floods, and earthquakes? But honestly those happen sporadically. It's pretty darn nice a lot of the time...

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Not to mention that the "lower" brain can come up with all sorts of thought streams to get us to eat. It's not being dastardly about it. It's like a computer. "Eating has reduced. Danger! Danger! Must save organism. Produce sensations and thoughts to get food. Make life very uncomfortable." Prefront...

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Uh, I'm going to take credit, though I might be wrong you got it from me. But I am very fond of saying it because I finally saw that it was true and it has made a difference so many times. I realize it's a version of one of Beck's "mantras, " as I call them. "I'll be happier if I just stick to my pl...

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I don't like my job (have a semester's leave now!) but it was very supportive on No S for years. I'm not sure how I would have done without it. I brought my lunch and kept a panini grill there because I love hot food but not microwaves, except for boiling water or heating coffee. I think I'll do oka...

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That sounds rather reasonable, given that we older folks often have a drop in appetite. I know I've had days on which my appetite needed only one good meal. But being on Vanilla has felt better, though I'm doing a seasonal adaptation right now.

Sorry to hijack, Kathryn!

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I support anyone mulling over what they want on check in threads. I can always choose to start skipping them if I see the trend. I hope the main board stays with No S, though. I want to be able to come and be part of the same tribe.

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A pretty "hot" university town...

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I've thought of visiting family in Lynn and asking Reinhard to lunch, though not for oatmeal. I figured he might do it because I would then be gone and not start stalking him. I've always admired that he didn't try to turn this into an empire, though honestly, I sometime wish he would.

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Excellent, GP!

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I'm with you, GP, although there are some people who do better with eating even less often that the common meal structure, there aren't whole societies who live that way, and one of the main thoughts that helped me when I started was that there was so much proof that it was a viable way to live. Whe...

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Berry, did I see on your thread that you do it only three days a week, all in a row? You're not limited to 500-800 calories every day, are you?

Sorry to hijack, Kathleen.

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I remember that you had been doing something that would be considered a pretty big mod to No S before. It still seemed like No S to me in that it was a real routine for you, your version of systematic moderation and not that complicated. I guess in our excess exposure, it's natural that we need to r...

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The researcher who talked about the phenomenon said it happens because each generation had built on the baseline. It's a rather natural progression, since humans are wired to seek sweet, but one that needs conscious curtailing, since it's so darn available. I wrote this on some thread but it's so as...

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The stats I looked at on holiday weight gain said that overweight people gain more than slimmer ones- about 5 lbs. Don't know where you are in your weight, but it seems you're doing well. Another article I read before said that it took until the next April for those who did lose to get to their prev...

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That amount of walking would take me a little over an hour and a half! Does it count walking around the house or shopping, etc.? The gauge I just looked at said it was over 10,000 steps. I don't think I could pull it off every day. Hmm, how can I mess with the year 2018's numbers to get it in range?...

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The 2018 team sign up thread is up and running!

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I'll be a voyeur.

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Here's to getting to next January feeling your eating getting to the point where is fine just the way it is!

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Merry, I'm not aware of any special instructions for kitchen towels. Marie Kondo recommends folding many items of clothing that we don't usually fold. I'm have mild ADD, and an organization author I read said to not worry about folding a lot of stuff, like underwear or socks.Things that can be work ...

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Sounds reasonable and smart. We're on your side!

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What a great year, Noni! I'd be very surprised if all of those 6 lbs. hung around long. It's just not possible that in that time you overate by 21,000 calories. Got to be mostly water from salt/sugar/carbs in general.

Warmest wishes for the new year.

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Not that my opinion matters but your decision to make this mod sounds valid. It doesn't sound like it's coming from panic or abject shame, but just recognizing the pattern. You're not a rookie! It's the excited beginners who are going to change their eating in 12 weeks who need to step back and gath...

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Glad to hear you're hanging in there. It suits your username! Looking forward to providing kudos or a shoulder to cry on, as needed.

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I saw your update on the 2017 thread. So glad to see you again, and that you feel this is your path. I like to have a tribe to huddle with in the cold. Lord knows the wolves are out there. Given modern devices, they can sleep in shifts so it's almost never safe!

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Hi, Kathleen, I took the liberty of doing a quick average of your recorded weight in December. The five days not recorded would likely have made only a small difference. It rounded to 220. 8. Given that it was a holiday month and the trend was downwards toward the end, your prognosis for loss in Jan...

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Anyone can start that thread. I'm "family," so I'm holding back. BTW, I was obsessed enough that I did some loose reviewing and found that there were about 10 people who had a good presence for most of the year. Given that we started with only 22, that's an excellent participation rate. Most diet fo...

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Chicken soup fits right in with No S. Take care!

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Sometimes the scale feedback can be sobering and useful. I'm glad you didn't use it to run to food, as paradoxically that often happens. There are all kinds of reasons weight loss doesn't often proceed in a linear or truly predictable way. That's why days on habit it such a great metric. Besides, it...

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