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That was it! Very cool stuff. All in one place, too.

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It's just a habit, to some degree reinforced by the culture. It's also partly the desire to avoid withdrawal. But whatever it is, your prefrontal cortex can be summoned to create the scarcity that would have just been the way it was a hundred years ago. No S a mild scarcity, one that countless peopl...

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Won't happen that often. Congrats for holding out!

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Habitcal is not necessary but habit theory finds that having SOME way to acknowledge success at least is useful. A friend on another site would add a pleasant icon each day she kept her strategy. She did this with 4-day wins, and it led to some pretty good longterm habits. She used to binge AND purg...

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I actually recommended the same site a few years ago, but I think it had a different name. I had it bookmarked as "visual workouts." Maybe that was just to help me remember what it was. I've gotten used to googling x-minute workouts on youtube, but this is a nice option.

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No S is more about eating consistently and not randomly. Or even if randomly, moderately for your situation., but that takes a bit more brain power. When you eat more often, you just have to find a way to limit the amounts more. Maybe saucer-size for all but one main meal a day? I'm glad you're not ...

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Surviving and coming back from failures is a real skill. I didn't fail until three months in and boy, did I wobble and waiver for a long time. But I felt I had no options, so I didn't leave. I could NOT go back to that life of being full way too much. May I ask when your lowest weight after adolesce...

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Got it.

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That is a win. You found out you can do with less and it's even comfortable.

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I'm at 4 minutes minimum and moving up from there. Some days I do 10 just for the fun of it...

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IMHO, if HAES defends a person going from a normal BMI, I'm assuming without undue effort, to borderline obese, that is a big mistake. It seems to me the vast majority of heavy people use the HAES and IE reasoning to defend what is actually an addictive relationship with basically junk food. The maj...

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The good news is that cravings are not an emergency that requires any food. In fact, they are a sign you DON'T need to eat. You just want to. Wanting to eat at random times is just not a good reason anymore. It's just mistaken identity. One of my colleagues told her students about what she did when ...

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Oh, Ironchef, I bet we could find you something...

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Struggling with snacking is probably just jonesing. Yes, eating Nutella from a spoon is normal for someone trying to break the overeating habit. You're going through withdrawal of the habit. It's up to you if you want to just tough it out or wean yourself off them. I never found that giving myself p...

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What people usually mean by carbs are starches: grain-based foods and potatoes, mostly. I consider legumes/beans starches, too. I know of at least one person who turned an autoimmune situation around going keto. But without that incentive, it's not an easy way to live in this culture. For a long tim...

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Ha! Weight loss schmeight loss. You will know when to be more precise.

I was curious to know why you wouldn't start meditations right away. Do they have some kind of focus? It's not just general stuff? But of course it's your call.

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Thanks! I'll go to your thread to get hooked up.

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Glad no one was hurt in the bump. (I did it TO someone last spring. SO embarrassing.) I was at a meeting for my Indian philosophy class and I had asked the teacher about how to face that there are so many injustices and problems in the world. He looked at me and said, "Yes, there is injustice. If yo...

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It's up to you, but I can tell you those are the symptoms many people have talked about having at first when not snacking. They persisted at the program, and usually within the first week, the symptoms were gone. It was just their body getting used to shifting to stores. But just go with your plan f...

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Oooo, those last two are really tricky.

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May I ask why you need the fruit before your walk? It's become quite common to work out "fasted" these days. That being asked, these sound credible as reasons to consider that you're easing yourself into Vanilla, which is a valid way to approach No S. The point is to stick to the small amounts. The ...

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For me, it was recognizing a lot of mental justifying of what I was doing, and it was all basically bogus. Reasons paled against the truth that I can have three meals, and that it's no more than irritating, either mildly or intensely, but not dangerously, to have to fast between those meals. Nothing...

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Are you saying that about your responsibility because that's the thought that keeps coming to you or because you believe it? I think it's definitely too soon to expect to have learned a life lesson. What about a pastor if there is no grief support group? There's got to be a less pricey alternative. ...

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Hope you enjoyed every bite! I like having one generous meal a day. When working, it tends not to be lunch because I get only 35 minutes.

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Very nice to hear.

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We need a thumbs up icon. I'm no good at finding and pasting such things from the web.

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I love your novel. More later.

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A floating day is not recommended, though you can always have two extra S days a month. Since S's are supposed to be sometimes anyway, meaning not necessarily every S day every week, why not just go with your band night and two extra ad hoc days for a month to see how it goes? In one of Reinhard's p...

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Those dang sweets seem to elbow their way into so many corners of our lives.

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I mentioned my exercise streak only because I wanted to get across how little time spent can still feel significant. I've often gone over, but I know I've also gone ahead and done only my 4 minutes in situations in which if I had chosen a longer time, I might have said, no, I don't have time. If fee...

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Good Lord, what would your BMI have been at 115 lbs.? What, did you have your babies at age 12? Don't know how tall you are but I was 120 lbs. at age 12. I don't think I was much shorter than now. (Doctor told my mother I should lose 10 pounds. That's when I got sneakier about sweets.) What else do ...

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Lots of incentive to put a fence around the law! Yeah, too many S's don't feel good. (I guess that's what makes them too many.) Warmest wishes to your mother. (I think my mother never made a pie in her life. She cooked, but she wasn't really interested in it, though I didn't realize this until a few...

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Welcome back! Has it been about 8 months? That was as long as you posted when you started. You made it much longer than I did my first round.

I love your focus. I also reviewed on your previous thread that you'd like to feel you aren't "on" some quantifying program. I hear ya.

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Hi! Hey, what happened during the year you weren't on the forum. You said you came back to tighten things up. Had you been doing basically No S?
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Hoo, boy, I've a had quite a few root canals. I'm SO grateful there are people who know how to fix the problem. I've read that the Inuits didn't get tooth decay until the settlers brought sugar and flour. They had no idea how to handle the pain and were known to commit suicide because it just didn't...

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I think your No S sounds like what it's supposed to be (SOMETIMES) and what eating is supposed to be. Your post a while back on your kids' eating at the movies vs. the French students' was priceless. It's too late for it to influence your child-rearing, but have you read French Kids Eat Everything? ...

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I was browsing threads and clicked on yours, then saw the first date in 2008! That was the first year I tried No S and had ONE good week just before Thanksgiving. One good week the NEXT SUMMER, and finally committed on Dec. 26, 2009. I hope you can get to the point at which you don't think of this a...

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That sounds pretty stupendous.

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The coworkers have a year to go. But they might make it, or have less regain than others. I've seen research that shows that low carb does result in more fat loss and adherents are a little more likely to sustain the loss. Two years later, most have worked some carbs back in. But there are tons of d...

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WHAT little yellow box? Now you're talking about something I don't know about.

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Saw your post on Why are you back? Welcome back! Has it really been more than a year? Your name is so familiar that I felt I had seen you around this year. Or maybe I did and just don't remember which thread. I hope it sticks. Can you really live with the options: counting, eliminating, or compulsiv...

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The good news is it was the last day of the week so not likely to reignite the habit by having a short streak of it.

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I don't love the jasmine tea served in many Chinese restaurants and I read that salt cuts bitterness so I have some soy sauce in it. Some teas lend themselves to this. Just keep it to one or two mugs.

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Nothing like getting lost to make home look good. An unwritten restriction on No S is looking at diet sites. If you do, you must always also say, let's see them in two years. Odds are very great they'll be heavier. Three colleagues who dieted a few years ago have all gained weight back. The two fema...

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Plate or bowl, most people will need to use discretion regarding dense food.

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Oh, you gonna get mail now! assuming you changed the preference.

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Being afraid to let them go IS being bound to them. You're not alone in this at all. Most of overweight America is bound to them and some of not-overweight America, too. There are tons of theories of why you crave sweets. Just concentrate on saying NO to them on N days no matter why you like them so...

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Exactly. Studies on long term weight loss maintainers found that the people said when they just stopped quitting because of this or that mistake, things turned around. Even at two steps forward, one step back, we can still get there if we aren't on a deadline.

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At least on the general board, at the bottom left on my screen, it says Stop watching this topic. I thought the system assumes we want to see the next comment. I'd have to be very purposeful to do opt out. At least I think so. I don't ever remember clicking on anything to watch a topic here But for ...

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TFK, it sounds really good. Who knows what it means and what will happen? Enjoy!

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We're all slow learners on this! Except for Reinhard.

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Do you grind the flax yourself? Sorry if you've already answered this.

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Jen, of course you can ask questions. People with either answer or direct you to useful threads. That panicky feeling is the habit, the brain pattern that thinks it's helping you by keeping you eating randomly. It's not real hunger, a desire for food that nourishes. It's like a person with OCD who g...

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Sweets are a controversial area. In theory, I now believe we'd be better of without them at all, but I still have 'em. I had a lot of wild S days over them, but that's basically over now. There are odds on quitting them entirely,and then there's the individual convinced of the value of that. But say...

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In my mind, an S day is an S day whether I have an S or not. I think it keeps me from thinking I may have "earned" an S or an N day. But it is fun when you see that you can have a perfectly delicious day without S's.

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Caveat, though. Research done on the masses is just that. Any one individual might be better off at lower weights. Or even higher ones. I never aimed at weight loss because I had read similar studies and books before No S, and I didn't really believe my weight alone would cause me big health problem...

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Gawd, no kidding. I'd honestly rather weigh more and be okay with it than be thinner and always worried about maintaining it.

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I was just browsing and couldn't believe I hadn't been following you. Did you join the "Team 2017?" How about, I am beautiful and I'm going to stick with No S? After all the time you've put in, I think you've earned your S day mod. Mine is pretty much the same, though I've said it as I can eat S's i...

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I think most people can relate to how lack of sleep and anxious thoughts can affect our eating judgment. Some writers talk about such things as if they are doom. I'm glad you see that you can separate the two--with practice. And I love what you said about not needing calorie counting, but instead ne...

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I think every time you either look at a thread and certainly if you reply, you get updates. I think! There's always a link offered to discontinue notices.

But there is no way to be notified if there are new threads.

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Some people would say it's too soon to do that, and to see if those excuses fade on their own in several months. If they don't, that's when it's recommended that a person institutes a mod. This is recommended after you've really given Vanilla, (the plan as written) a solid attempt, one aimed at chan...

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I hope no one will be offended by this but I was looking for something else and came across these little plate additions that were originally designed for kids who had trouble with pushing food around the plate with their fork when they really wanted to be able to pick it up. Now they're also used f...

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I'm pretty sure Reinhard is wary of having a lot of more stickies, but it does seem like some of the best threads aren't obvious now. Maybe there should be a sticky for newbies that says Look Here Before Asking Questions, and then put the link for the Sticky of Stickies and the official No S Diet in...

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Eating moderately most of the time is what makes the celebrations special and relaxed.

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I had forgotten my mod of July! This is pretty fast for me to have a new one, but it's saving modern packaged snack foods for S days and only in company and with other food, which is a mod I already have for sweets.

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May I ask what gets in the way? Would you be willing to ease yourself into it rather than go cold turkey?

It's heartening that you are still going forward!

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If I may, and I'm sorry if I've said this before, but I avoided doing something I had read about years earlier, but it made a big difference when I started. I made a list of the benefits I believed I would get from moderate eating (not weight loss). Only a fraction of the reasons were appearance-bas...

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If it makes you feel any better, I was "perfect" on No S for my first three straight months. Then I went on a weeklong retreat, ate a different macronutrient ratio, and started failing when I got home. It took quite a few months to recover, and I've wobbled for periods of time nearly every year sinc...

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Saw your comment about looking for vegetable recipes rather than baking cookies. I gave up baking sweet foods (unless I'm failing) a few years ago and had greatly decreased it already before that. I took a macrobiotic cooking class (didn't and don't try to follow it) about 20 years ago and am gratef...

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Because a chicken wing means survival and passing on your genes. If the human body had not evolved to be very reinforced for eating, none of us would be here. However, it also evolved when there was often food scarcity. It wasn't designed for being able to ingest so many calories for so little effor...

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To be clear, there are SOME people who actually don't think about their eating. They exist at all weights. Some of them, even thin ones, develop health problems that can be reversed by different eating. There's only so much any one of us are willing to do. Cancer researcher Valter Longo found that c...

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True that, GP. I would also think, well, where would I be if I followed a diet? I knew my odds of being better off two years later would not very good. Imperfect Vanilla will likely leave people in a better place as time goes on than a failed diet attempt.

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Good to hear. The lure of the momentary pleasure is very real. It's hard to face that it IS true that it feels better right when we eat and yet if we want freedom, we have to choose not to do it. I've honestly never found anything that's as immediately and easily as reinforcing as overeating is. Tho...

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The ones that went there today were Tortie, Tex Ark, and Kaia's, plus my thread on SPAM .

Update on the 10th: add Teach5.

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All the updates on any threads for No S come from Reinhard's gmail address, at least for me. I should try to keep track of which ones go to SPAM. It's actually usually the individual check-in threads. Maybe some individuals have something in some post along the way that looks like SPAM to the filter...

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Wasn't there a thread that had kind of funny, short, and useful metaphors for not giving in to What the Hell?

Like don't crash the car just because you dented the fender.

I'd like to bump it up. Or have this become one.

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How did your week go?

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I, too, would put the things on a plate on N days at least, just to get a sense of their volume. I'm one who likes salad stuff on my plate because I often prefer to eat bites of my main food with a bit of salad, no dressing, though I vary that. Anything that really needs to not touch other food, I'd...

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That's fantastic! You've been able to pretty much stick to without much effort. Love your quarterly updates.

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That is so fantastic! I'm so glad to hear you say your blood readings are more important than the weight loss. I'd be more bummed if I got thinner but still had disease-dangerous readings. And the fact that you've done it with sustainable habits is even better, IMHO.

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May I ask to know or be reminded what you BMI is now? What has been your lowest BMI without a great deal of effort?

Or you can say you'd rather not say, really.

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Tough lessons. The websites I looked at say that dropping 10% makes a big difference. You dropped a LOT more than that! But to some degree, health problems are pernicious.

So, does he know you'd like to be admired for your appearance sometimes?

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Hmm, that's tough. Our biology conditions us to want to feel desired, partly for procreation and for acceptance into the group, which means survival. I wonder if there's anything he'd really like to hear from you, something he'd like to be approved of for. How important is it for you to avoid the GE...

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You poor thing! The Blood Type diet. I remember it vaguely. Got a bit of a chill...:) I gently recommend you change the thoughts you get that tell you to have this or that S on an N day. The most important one to question is that it's okay to give in and eat. Is it too painful to wait for the next m...

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Sometimes we find these things out by accident.

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Oh, yes, WTH is the close-second villain. Small fails are not good but small fails and WTH are pretty close to misery. Spare yourself misery! I think you could also allow that you can exercise a lot during a day and not necessarily get more hungry later. I've had days on which I've exercised way mor...

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I wrote a long post but just decided to simply reinforce what you said. Make the good start but make the three plates a day GOSPEL. It is the one thing you can absolutely do every day. Put non-sweet food on a plate and eat it. Let nothing stop you. There is no feeling, urge, bodily sensation, or tho...

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I wanted to write to the person who commented. She probably called her thread something else. I did take a look at the site and it did actually reignite the sense of the price paid for unreined in overdoing it, especially of junk food. I think you don't eat much junk food, but I had fallen back into...

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I'm asking a few longtimers if they remember someone who posted about the website Eat Like a Normal Person. I thought there was a thread named for it, but my eyes are crossing looking for it. I avoided the site for a long time because I thought it would be too much like IE. It's not that bad but the...

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I'd be interested to hear how things are going for Potato Man. If things went according to plan, he should have been on Vanilla the same amount of time he was on Potato No S. Thanks.

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Funny how what we were so sure was fun isn't. But we can sure keep getting fooled.

Eventually, there can be whole weekends with no s's. In my mind, they're still S days because the option is there. But it's perfectly possible to have enjoyable weekends s free.

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Don't feel obligated to us! Glad you'll be having a different routine. Kudos to your little one! It's such a boon that there's no pain for him. Big hugs.

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Good enough!

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Anyone else having problems with Reinhard's emails going to SPAM? I think it happened once before, and it's not everyone's. I don't get it. I thought he was in my contacts.

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I've been doing some reading and obsessing today, but I think it will pay off. I've been reminded of how our pleasure centers get stimulated by junk food but never deliver the goods, so it's just a vicious cycle. I know it will take a few afternoons of difficulty. Knowing it's a short week I hope wi...

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So glad to hear from you and that No S was a great jump off point for freedom the obsession.

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Oh, my. Sounds like you're doing what I would be doing under the circumstances. You wouldn't be the first person to have weight loss when a health scare got them more focused. (It's pretty hard to recreate that, though. That's why I think so many dieters who use strict health practices end up failin...

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Would it be possible to try to let go of the weight loss aspect for a bit? I know it's probably why you came, but I've seen so many get derailed when this kind of things happens. There are very few No S-ers that I know of that had steady weight loss week after week. I had some, then stalled, then so...

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