Everyday Systems

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Here's to a great end of summer and into fall and the eventual "eating season."

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Hope the relaxation with food will continue through Indian summer and fall right into the holiday season. Come visit Team 2017!

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A lot going on. Big hugs. Hope September is a healing time.

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I'm afraid something bad happened. I'm sorry I didn't reach out sooner. How has your year gone?

Warmest wishes.

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Amy, sure hope you're doing well. Team 2017 would love to either give you kudos or a shoulder to lean on, as the case may be. Reach out!

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Sorry I didn't respond way back when. It did resonate, though I'm not sure what you would define as food sobriety. Being sober with food can't be quite the same as being sober with booze or drugs. But it's perfectly okay to figure out how to navigate S days for your own situation. I've been toying w...

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Saw your post to the newbie worried about not losing after her FIRST weekend. I wonder if she has any idea how unusual it is to hear from ANYONE who has stuck to ANY plan for 11 months? The media can make it look like it's typical. I think if people who come here didn't have their eye on the scale, ...

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Would love to hear a quick update, here or on the Team 2017 thread. Some members could use a boost!

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Reaching out to all of Team 2017. Come celebrate your success, if things just fell into place, or get a hug of support if they didn't. The fall equinox is almost here. Last time we heard from you was around the one in spring. Come finish the year with us!

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Did things fall into place? If so, let us know. If not, come get a hug! Finish the year with Team 2017!

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Have you thought? Are things going well? You said in this last post that you didn't want to wait for the next holidays to practice this. I agree! A couple of good months left before the flurry.

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How did things work out with the trainer? Did he/she suggest a way to eat that suited you better? No harm, no foul. Would love to hear from you on Team 2017.

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Oops, I guess I inundated you with too many questions...

Team 2017 would love to hear from you, rain or shine.

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It sure looks like things are going well. Here's to an end to summer and starting fall strong.

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Would love to have you check in with Team 2017. Let's do fall together!

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Team 2017 misses you and wishes you would join us periodically to finish out the year. A sane No S fall!

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It's been a few months. I'm sure Team 2017 would love to hear how you're doing!

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It's been a couple of months. I'd like to think it's because the habit finally fell into place. Would love to hear from you either way. Let's get team 2017 back together!

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Have you been sailing along since April? That would be great! Would love to see you again.

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It's not too late to have a great last third of 2017, including sane holidays. Come say hi!

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Straying can actually lead to renewed vigor as people realize the wisdom of the plan and really surrender. Your body will love life without snacks and soda and with lovely, savory meals! May I suggest you look back at a post of mine, bd88, and yours June 19th? If you made the list of reasons and ben...

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Good job on August. I hope you get to overweight land, too!

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Your Saturday is about par. Consider either not even trying to moderate S days at all for awhile OR absolutely commit to whatever limit you think would be reasonable. It's the ambivalence that drains. I can tell you from experience that saying I was going to eat less and then not sticking to it was ...

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My weight loss was even more uneven, but since weight loss wasn't my first goal, that was okay with me. I went months and months overweight and not losing. Then I would have a few very light weekends and have a drop. Miraculously, I wouldn't regain it. It edged down 40 lbs. over two years. The one t...

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Absolutely. It's humbling to face that MOST of our eating is actually overeating. But no need to pare down to just the essentials now, which is what so many diets ask people to do. Reminds me of a Woody Allen skit in which he plays Socrates trying to avoid drinking the hemlock. One of his followers ...

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I think I know now why people become hermits, though one of my friends calls it being reclusive. He admits he doesn't get much satisfaction from interacting on personal basis with many people. The fascinating thing to me is that he feels very little regret or guilt or anything over it. An interestin...

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Sorry to hear of your health scare. Have you changed anything in response?

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Kudos!

I think it's important that people recognize that No S alone is not meant to totally prevent or heal health problems. Moderation will do a lot to bring the odds of metabolic problems down, but some people would be wise to mod for that end.

I'll drop in on your thread.

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Kudos on seeing what you did right!

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TM, I hope it's okay for me to say: there's only one way to prove that you NEED to lose weight, and that is to behave in a way that brings weight loss. You can't know if Vanilla No S will really be the solution until you do it consistently for several months. You may have to mod, but how can you kno...

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I was a volunteer usher for a prestigious theater in town (one which has a waiting list of 500 people for ushers.) I had got on the team when there was a different team captain and a woman inherited the spot. I did have a few screwups and it was during the time I was teaching advanced students and w...

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Hey, we've all done it. Getting back to the habit after "tripping the wire" is one of the skills we all need to develop. At the same time: How big was the snack you took? Would it have fit in a napkin? How bad would it really have been if you broke one of the rules this time? If you had said, "I'm r...

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For early humans, it was a blessing that they could eat in varying amounts. If they couldn't have stood getting darn full sometimes, well, we probably wouldn't be writing here or doing anything else human. The planet would just be peacefully spinning along.

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No, I was asking what binned means. A bin in the states is usually a type of open storage container, though it can be a waste bin. I've never heard of using "binned' in the States as a term for throwing out or anything else. Maybe others caught on right away.

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When I truly got that my overeating wasn't going to stop on its own, that no diet or eating plan was going to make it completely easy, that it was unlikely that I wouldn't still have inopportune urges to eat, possibly for longer than I wanted to, and when I saw that No S was so reasonable, it became...

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What city are you in?

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I guess one of the ways recording keeps people from eating more IS that feeling that they don't want to see all they've eaten in writing. Or others to see it, but apparently, it works even if it's private. But it's pretty easy not to do it when it would look pretty bad, when I just want to stay in d...

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Okay, kids, we're moving into the last third of 2017. It's not too early or late (for those who never got off the ground or who have-ahem- temporarily- set No S aside to start to "train" for the holidays. If nothing else, start from right now! Depending on your time zone, nothing but dinner until br...

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Well, it probably means you're more likely to go down than up. I have a theory that heat makes the body want to hold on to all the water it can. Probably cockeyed, since it releases sweat that gets dried off so fast we don't know it. But unless I am eating very lightly, I don't get the effect on my ...

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It wouldn't. Hi! Hearing your story takes me right back 50 years to one summer I lived in Lynn, Massachusetts. Of course, no AC. It was so humid! Even at age 13, I tossed and turned. I had been raised mostly in California, with dry heat and a swamp cooler. I did not understand how people could live ...

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I think that separating the red days from black events is a good idea. I still binged a lot on weekends but otherwise I was 100% compliant my first three months. I felt like a success just from that. Not bingeing those 5 days a week was a godsend. I've still never been able to get myself to record m...

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You've learned a lot! Kudos.

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Jen, you didn't ask, but I gently suggest you not talk about it a lot. Let your serenity and enjoyment of meals do the talking. People can pick away and even try to undermine your efforts, though usually subtly. Or cast aspersions if you hit some rough patches. I have colleagues who have seen me los...

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As I side note, laVictoria, did I already say that I visited Minnesota this June and it was just gorgeous? I LOVED all the shade! We get a bit of sun out here in SoCal...

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For the first time in years, I'm responding to stress with food. I know I will get over it because No S saw me through several very stressful times over the last seven years. I just usually thought, people in slim societies get stressed, too, but they don't double up on their croissants or rice, as ...

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The point is to find habits that encourage enjoying food at pretty set intervals an in limited amounts but without a lot of accounting or restriction and let the shift in attitude and intake evolve. Given that Vanilla doesn't sound like it will cut it, try what you like and give it a good go; a week...

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Just try to remember that it's okay to sometimes have to go longer between meals or after dinner. It gives your body more of a reason to dip into its stores. We kinda want that...

But, it shouldn't be daily suffering.

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On a suggestion from my other site, I watched Fed Up! I found it discouraging. The director makes it seem that our children especially are doomed. The forces of profit and free speech/free choice are too powerful for the opposing forces, obfuscating the real issues. The issue of how to feed the mass...

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Preaching to the choir!

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Of course, what they mean is that a person will have to adopt that way of eating as a lifestyle or, well, you know. The difference is that No S is more similar to the ways slim societies actually eat. NO "diet" can claim that. Theoretically, it's possible to make anything a lifestyle. It's just that...

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For me, yes, mostly, it's easier. Some days not, but I don't judge the lifestyle by them.

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I wanted to get across how much I felt for the woman in the cart. I feel for her that the pull to these foods can seem to compensate for the pain they cause. It can be literally fatal. The foods themselves can fuel this denial. But I see it as a combination of culture, evolutionary biology that seek...

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Where are you? Did you get beyond day 1? Regarding the kettlebell, maybe you can start with a heavy frying pan? And maybe not 14 minutes. I"m currently (August) requiring only FOUR minutes of vigor on N days, though I have gone up to 8 some days. I do mostly bodyweight stuff, though I have a 10-lb p...

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Long-winded response alert! I will whine for you: School starts at 8 but lunch starts before 11? That is one of the worst health-promoting eating schedules for adults and children alike I've ever heard of, unless everyone goes to bed after sunset. I can hear the shudders from France. Ok, so on to de...

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IF I may: If I'm terribly rushed, I can always gather some salad greens and crudite-type veggies (that I keep on hand) into a bag or container to supplement with convenience food out. I usually eat only half of serving of fast food along with my veggies and maybe fruit. I rarely eat more than one st...

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I gently suggest you also look at how comfortable and vital you feel from your eating, regardless of your pant size. Your body doesn't care what size you wear. It will try to protect its habits. It is not going to suddenly stop asking you for food just because you think you should weigh less. If you...

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Theoretically, after awhile, a person might have only one or even NO S's on S days. I think this is more likely when they are together. One or the other of the days, it won't feel necessary. But if they are split, it's probably more likely to feel they are deserved every possible day. Also, for most...

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"healthy paleo junk food" Good one.

Enjoy every bite of something else!

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Kudos! Saw your post on the 21-day thread but decided to come here so I would get updates.

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It's a conundrum. I think slashing the availability to food, and modern processed foods in particular, in reality and through advertising and possibly even taxes, would probably bring even private insurances rates down so low that even the middle class could afford it. And if the poor were lighter, ...

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Glad you made it. Did look at a map to see if there was any reason I might be in the relevant environs in 2024, when I'll be retired. It's a long shot, but those photos are impressive.

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Ah, you got brainwashed by the IF tribe, maybe? Problem is, it's only a minority of people in the world who live like that and stay slim. Slim societies think about food a lot. They just don't fret about it. They have routines for the building blocks for meals, and they tend not to question them, bu...

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I responded to another thread, but welcome back!

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I'm in seven and a half years and I still sometimes overeat at meals, but most of my N day meals were moderate from the beginning. Semi-bingeing outside of meals was my issue. That went on, but much less frequently, for years. I did not let that stop me. Many N days meals have gotten smaller over th...

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Welcome back. Nothing holds a candle to being convinced the options are just not viable. Counting is not forbidden! It's a personal choice. Do whatever helps you build habits of moderation. (You probably see now that a month and a half was not nearly enough time for the program to do its thing for y...

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Isn't it great to find out that bingeing is not a life sentence, nor does it need elaborate plans, or years of therapy, though that could benefit life in other ways. Nor having to eat five/six times a day and never let yourself get hungry, yada yada yada. (It's interesting that you came from eatlike...

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I can't believe I never thought of having default N day dining out meals. I think soup-ish things could be options in winter, such as we have.

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That is my difficult time, too, though I'm not at home. I

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The heck with his waiting until he goes off to college. Put him on the cooking rotation now!

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Some of my best meals, for me, are ones I learned from diets. I rarely followed any of the big name stuff, though I was influenced by Barry Sears, mostly his stuff about vegetables, which dovetailed Volumetrics.

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I'm not sure going as a group would protect anyone. But the odds are with any one person attending. I didn't read any news on it, but I hope it stayed peaceful. Just read a chilling article on how anti-Nazi German protesters actually helped make them more powerful. And the comments afterward proved ...

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Thanks, r. jean. OMGosh, if I could ever have learned to roll with the punches of the kids, as you have to with the BD kids, I might be planning to stay longer. And I'd be making real money! Just went to a meeting on Medicare and beyond. It sounds like it could be so scary out there. And expensive. ...

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Curious. Were you hungry for dinner?

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What about possibly dividing your dinner in some way to slow it down so that you don't snack later nor eat much more? I mean, it seems a shame to lose out on the calorie deficit.

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Seeing what you're willing to do and not do is so...crisp! Right along the concept of bright lines, and I don't mean the big online diet program.

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I agree.

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Where's that long post I wrote to you? It was mostly about how stable my weight was back in my late 20's even though I was eating stupidly, and so many of us did. It was higher than I wanted but was still in the "normal" BMI range. What might life have been like if I had just lived that life at that...

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I hope you would never feel you have to lie to us! If having some form of "treat"-I'm going to guess you mean sweet-every day on vacation is all the failing you did-not snacking all day and seconds galore plus a couple of desserts-I'd say your habit practice before this trip has really influenced yo...

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No one can guarantee that you will ever stop getting some urges to eat outside of meal time. Even those in slim cultures feel those pulls a bit, but they know so well that it's a bad idea that they dismiss them rather easily. I still get them at some of the "old" times, even though I went for a coup...

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I know I'm a broken record but the non-scale motivations have always been what sustained me. I don't want to offer un-guaranteed hope, but my drops in weight almost always happened well into periods of lighter eating, not right up front. I enjoyed the lighter eating, too. That's the only reason I fo...

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Thank you! I actually don't have a problem with having access to the "right" foods. Got a ton in my fridge! I'm just deciding right now it's worth it for the comfort I get to "use" the others. Weird. I'm glad I never allowed myself to think that in the past, and I know it won't continue. I'd like to...

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That actually sounds reasonable. If your situation changed and you "had" to eat away from home more, you would probably have to find a solution. What you do isn't that different likely from how it was for humans early one. If you can recreate that, great. In fact, we are all in the process of learni...

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I personally have never been positively motivated by seeing myself bigger. I've always resisted the idea that I HAVE to be smaller. My motivation has just about always been not being willing a) to feel I was a slave to food and b) to be too full too often. I saw No S as a way to counteract both of t...

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I went to the link and saw very little on fitness.

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Are you keeping a check-in thread? I'll follow your progress there.

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Thanks, Merry. The one thing I'd like to explain is that when I said they eat routine meals, I don't mean they eat the same thing all the time (although the French and Italian breakfasts don't deviate much), but that the components of the meals are pretty much routine, unless it's a special occasion...

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I'm so sorry! I'm going to change my message right now. Please don't go! If it's any consolation, I've made some even bigger mistakes at work since the school year started a month ago.

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I tried similar ideas about waiting till you're hungry to eat and not eating more than you're hungry for. The problem is you can fool yourself into thinking that you're hungry, although I did get pretty good at being able to distinguish real hunger. But I can totally agree about the fact that you ca...

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No matter what the reasons are, you can limit your eating even if the other conditions don't change. You can be slightly depressed, anxious, stressed, etc. and still stick to a meal plan. You can have desires, urges, and hunger and STILL stick to a plan. I don't mean to undermine your therapist but ...

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Actually, it's making it easier to know it's only--let's see, tomorrow it will be 69 workdays in the semester. I'm not actually allowing myself to say "to retirement," because I want to feel ready to do some subbing in the spring, partly to make that little extra dough while I can, and partly becaus...

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TONS of luck and, even better, strength! Did we "talk" anywhere else? I know I recently communicated with someone about this plan. The problem I saw, at least from my meager vantage point, is that it doesn't allow for weaning yourself off the overeating habit. Also, I think it said early on that you...

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And not a stick of butter.

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Cover your ears to FV's message! Way too many details that don't have much to do with No S.

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Some good observations. But you might surprise yourself once in awhile and not snack later even though you feel you didn't eat enough earlier. You can snack on your "reserves." I've still got a whole convenience store of reserves where the buttocks meet the thighs.

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Good to hear from you again. Kudos on the drop in weight!

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I've been compliant all of August with my little intense 4-minutes, though I've worked out more some days and have certainly walked some distances. It's very hard to justify not doing 4-minutes! I break it into 30-second stints, though I can extend those, too. I think I haven't had a green eating da...

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Plateaus are sure better than gaining back! It must mean your habits are relatively steady.

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That's all you CAN do. Though also reflecting on what you could do differently in a future situation is also a reasonable and productive tactic.

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I'm humbled that we can be of any help, but I agree about the value of the social outlet here. I don't think anyone can predict when the thoughts will calm down, but I think your thinking strategy is wise and it makes perfect sense to me to use a food routine for a foundation. Big hugs.

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