Everyday Systems

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I used to justify staying up past midnight to start in on the chocolate, and I'm not talking a dainty square or two. It wasn't canonical, but was something I imagine Reinhard didn't anticipate people doing, so he never stated it outright. I recommend against it. Anyway, it didn't last. The tolerance...

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Judith Beck recommends really letting those experiences of being glad you held out to sink in well, to give yourself credit for seeing through the illusion of desire and possible justifications. Maybe you even had a good dream about it but don't remember it! Kudos.

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What stopped me before No S was a combination of lack of knowledge and denial of how much I justified my overeating, often for reasons I was encouraged to use by all kinds of sources. In my obsession and scanning for info, several pieces of information came together to convince me that I needed to b...

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I love the concept of eating only from hunger, but it isn't how traditional cultures manage food. I only say it because it can become the new guilt trip and also be anxiety-provoking because the body may not be hungry but a part of ourselves is wondering when that next meal is coming. I for one can ...

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It's called a modified traditional year. We still get about 6 weeks off in summer. We'll get a couple of weeks off after ten weeks of school, then a week at Thanksgiving, and end the semester before Christmas. It's been found that students who aren't doing well do better with shorter breaks. Year ro...

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That was terrific! I have to add that for me, after awhile, emotions were not the only reason I ate compulsively. It may have been at one time, say, at a certain time of day, but then it just started being a habit to do it then, even if there was nothing going on. Then the qualities of the hyperpala...

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I suspect that every historical phase had some standards people thought they had to meet, and experienced some distress over. It may have had more to do with cooking or even qualities of character for women of the lower classes in previous times. But I do know that one psychological researcher claim...

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Scarf it up!

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Egads. You won't believe this. I am dumbfounded at myself. I thought I had another week of break. I was delighting in thinking of another week of having no real pressures to meet any schedule. For some reason, I looked at the school calendar tonight. We start the new school year on Monday! How can I...

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Egads. You won't believe this. I am dumbfounded at myself. I thought I had another week of break. I was delighting in thinking of another week of having no real pressures to meet any schedule. For some reason, I looked at the school calendar tonight. We start the new school year on Monday! How can I...

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It's hard to find someone this hasn't happened to. Got three days this week to get the momentum going again.

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You should see some of BrightAngel's plates, which she posts on her website, Diet Hobby. It's sobering. And she's willing to do it, because so far, it's that important to her. She knows an incredible amount about the "formerly morbidly obese," having been that and been determined NOT to be again. Sh...

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Sure wish we'd hear from you.

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Interesting that your mom should say that because it's been found that girls who grow up with moms with poor body image are definitely more likely to overeat. But it's too late to change her or anyone's past behavior. Good thing the present is where it can be fixed. I would say calling you an elepha...

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Just to say, water has never been able to divert me much from urges, but doctored coffee and the right tea can. But the most important strategy is my thinking, some of which has been bolstered by writing. If you don't have time to get online, perhaps just post a similar note on your phone and vow to...

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Thanks for the support re: the cooking class. It went fine enough. Congrats on the compliance rate! Nothing to do but keep trying adjustments.

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My teaching break is over a week from Monday. (Hear deflating balloon.) I've done almost nothing productive except post here and on Spark (and climbed a local mountain a few times with a friend training for a trek) and I don't care right now. I'm trying to prepare for not allowing regret later by no...

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There's no way you overate by tens of thousands of calories, so it has to be water. Still not comfortable, though. The predictable ways of getting rid of it fast are pretty diet-y; best not let them mess with you. How's your fullness levels between meals? I think you'll figure it out. It can be dist...

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Fingers crossed, though I'm sure you have other reasons to change your eating even if the results are favorable. Let us help you stick to the program when the time comes! And there's no reason to wait until then to be compliant with No S. It's just two gaps between delicious meals and a nice overnig...

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I think it's actually natural to have some periods of lower food intake even while keeping to the basic rhythm of meals. This is the perfect time of year for lighter, water-rich foods, as Barbara Rolls of Volumetrics fame, calls them. I like how they lengthen the meal, too. If I were eating the same...

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You have really come home! It's adorable.

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I'm in awe of sweets bakers. If I legitimately had people to bake for, I'd consider facing the gauntlet. Rarely did any stuff get baked, never mind get to any recipients. If anyone enjoyed yours, kudos! But I know it's worth the higher standard you set for yourself. I have faith you'll get there.

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Worth the experiment.

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Let's not call it damage. Let's just say that SOME celebretory eating can leave you pretty full on that day. Limited to the essential ones per year, it keeps the specialness and comes out in the wash.

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I've got some other kicks, if his aren't dire enough, IF you really want them. (This time, I put them in a Word doc.)

But I kind of hope his news isn't dire, and that you still won't need the kicks, but will find your mojo without either.

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Since you've read a lot, you know it's a process that includes different amounts of adjustment at different times for different people. It's rare for all of that to happen in a few weeks or months and then the person sails off into the sunset. Yes, it CAN happen, but if that's expected and it doesn'...

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Thanks! And if I may, though I didn't use it much, I wish I had used habitcal more because I could have seen if it did indeed, as habit theory says, end up helping to shape the behavior almost as much or even more than a lot of the extra stuff I did. (Then again, I do find this whole topic more fasc...

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I read that book. I have to admit it's just plain hard to accept the metaphor of a pig as a person whose brother used to call her a pig and a big cow. But I like the overall thrust of his work. Though he's out to make some money on it, it's not as if he doesn't have some cred, and he could be making...

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If I were you, I'd just try to eat enough in the morning to then wait for lunch with your son. By the time you eat breakfast, it's only about 4 hours, and most humans should be able to go 4 hours without food after even a small meal. Given that there has been found to be quite good benefits to a 12-...

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I think it would be worth it to find a way to make your meals sync with son's meals. Eating with others is a major foundation of slim cultures, which No S tries to mimic. It's interesting that you feel queasy at the thought of food, but lightheaded if you don't eat. Though breakfast is often CORRELA...

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lunch yesterday: two stuffed small eggplants with extra stuffing, (my God, there were rich and delicious!) two (or was it three?) rotis, about a half cup of a bean-and garlic-side. Later a lousy brownie I should have thrown out and a chocolate cookie that made up for it. (I bought the cookie in a ba...

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I can tell you that several years into No S some of my meals look very small compared to what they used to be. The difference is that I've got to this point by experience, not by imposition. I would not have been able to impose them on myself back then, though if I had had serious health problems, I...

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May I get clear what your waking hours are?

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Isn't this your check in thread?

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Besides, what is to stop you from eating two bowls of muesli if you feel hollow after Slimfast or anything else? I have felt hollow two hours after some very big meals. Hollowness may just be a sign that your body is getting ready to shift from using the calories you ate to some of the calories you ...

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I look forward to hearing you post every time for a few weeks at least (and really longer, since it usually takes longer to get really good at it) when you outlast the hollowness urge to overeat, and to report how great the meal that followed tasted. Are you Annie? I don't see that you've used your ...

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I wish walking was "without all the thinking" for me! Unfortunately, perserverating on problems happens when I walk very easily because it's possible not to have to pay that much attention to what I'm doing, so it can be similar to sitting in meditation and having to keep drawing attention away from...

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Duh! How US-centric of me to assume you meant our southwest! All I had to do to remind myself was look under your username. Your trip sounds fulfilling in more than one way.

Have a great green week.

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I recently took a road trip with a friend from Minneapolis through Utah. She spent 10days here in San Diego, then drove back, this time with her mom. She hit terrible heat that kept us and them from spending much time out of the car to enjoy the feel of the environment in addition to the visuals. Su...

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I'm no one to talk, but I've started reading a book in prep for going back to school. It's meant for parents, called Stop Arguing with Your Kids. I can tell from just the beginning that it's emphasizing being able to listen a lot first before giving much direction. It dovetails with a talk I went to...

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Good call. It's rarely the light foods that stop a person from losing weight, though it's the total that counts, and they are part of the total. But just a few bites of dense foods can tip the scales up;a few bites of celery usually doesn't. People don't usually lose by cutting veggies.

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Dinner yesterday (out) lobster bisque in bread bowl (ate all except bottom of bowl and not stuffed) small decaf mocha (commercial, very sweet) very "light" urge to get a burrito or something on the way home; memory of old habit, easily ignored breakfast after EARLY hike (too late to have anything su...

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Do you think you could possibly just regard the snacks as THEIR food, food that is just not yours (even though you paid for it!)? Almost like a medication they need, but you don't? I dunno. In France, only children are thought to need to snack, and they do it between lunch and dinner only. The adult...

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humbled.

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I think these are anything but small. They are what dieters dream of and which most dieting experience cannot deliver to any but the wise or lucky. Yay, you and NO S.

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At meals, be a good "slim culture" role model: offer good quality food, enjoy every bite, speak only of how wonderful the food is, don't imply that food is morally bad or that you can't eat it because it's bad or that it's a terrible burden to control yourself, but also don't encourage overeating ju...

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Hi! At this stage, IMHO it's essential you regard even eating too much at a one-plate meal as a success. It's when we have too many strictures too soon- Reinhard uses the computer term "premature optimization"- that our psyche can get discouraged. We keep raising the bar before we're good at the hei...

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I dont' know how I got out of sync with your check-in. I'm still envious of your consistent exercise. I"m not sure if you're looking for any other feedback than just keep going. I know that honestly there were many times in the past I was struggling but also wasn't really willing to do that much mor...

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I've missed a lot! Glad it's good stuff. It's a real feat in my book that you lost anything amidst a graduation and family visiting and all. It must be very challenging as a parent to know the right balance for deeply caring for children's welfare while realizing they're their own persons and acting...

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Sounds pretty darn good for English being an extra language. :) You certainly have your work cut out for you. I think the habits are excellent in themselves for many and great disciplinary training grounds for those who find as time goes on that more is called for. It's been that way for me in the s...

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I've decided that for here for now, I'll record only what I eat on S days and whether I eat outside my normal fare on N days. Breakfast time (not strict timeline cz of S day) doctored coffee with powdered creamer (S day "treat" or poison, as you choose) about a cup and a half of cherries, 2T coconut...

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You are going to find a lot of contradictory advice on treating or preventing diabetes on the web. For the average, nondiabetic person, it has come greatly into question that the best way to regulate blood sugar is to eat often. If humans needed to eat every few hours for the right blood sugar, they...

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All in time. You're learning to play the piano, not just move it around the room.

But do practice...

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Exercise and limited carbs sounds like a good pairing. If you don't absolutely need to eat often, it can help delay insulin resistance to eat less often, or so I've read. Jason Fung is a Canadian doctor who's supposed to have about a 50% success rate in getting diabetics off meds by using intermitte...

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I know I read recently that empty-nest syndrome is not as widespread as it used to be,and I'm talking about when the kids actually do leave, not the fact that young people live at home longer or come back. Have you ever talked with your daughters about whether they think they'll have happy memories?...

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What, no! I didn't know you were back. 5 hours! (I cannot let that intimidate me!) Yet even as I read this and see that it's only 3 o'clock and I have time to do the Flylady thing of just 15 minutes, I just can't see that balloon inflating... It's become an "intelligent default" for me that I aim fo...

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A long time ago, one member said there were two kinds of people who have been here for any length of time: those who've had red days, and liars.

Ok, there may be a FEW exceptions...

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Not bad.

Seems early to be going off for orientation, but what an exciting time! All these years later I still have fond memories.

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Breakthrough! Sounds delicious.

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I almost always have cooked (maybe frozen) and raw veggies in the house. Costco has such inexpensive greens. It takes me less than five minutes to have half a plate full that I add the take away/fast food to, when I have it. I put the rest of the fast food away right away, preferable in opaque conta...

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Double kudos.

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If I may, The Diet Trap Solution book by Judith Beck and her daughter, Deborah Beck Busis, while not about slim culture eating, is very helpful in combatting the influences that take us off course. She does have a weight loss focus that I find irritating (because I want to believe that I'm eating th...

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Congrats! Have you already posted on the testimonial page before? A stone and a half is more than 10 lbs.

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Sounds good. Have a great July.

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brkfst: whole grain biscuit with yeast spread, coconut oil, protein powder, doctored coffee. lunch: greens, whole oats (I think-frozen a long time ago! or maybe rye berries) cooked carrots, celery, red onion with rogan josh Indian sauce, half a cup edamame beans, more protein powder, cup of grapes a...

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CBT has been shown to work well with disordered eaters, more so than most other strategies, including interpersonal therapy. I wish Judith Beck and her daughter would write a book on it, though it's possible that is not a specialty of theirs, and they seem to have a lot of integrity that way. But th...

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I can't get behind eating just before bed (even though the French and Spaniards eat pretty late because the advantage of a longer overnight fast for reasons other than weight loss is so great, especially for anyone who anticipates having insulin resistance or blood sugar problems. Eating less often,...

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I think those are two very worthy bright lines. Reducing the bingeing was my big goal in the beginning. I didn't even disallow it on S days! I was so grateful for N day compliance. The bar is set a little higher now...

See you.

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July will be better! Do you think the no sweets precipitated the fails? Or more just the old sneak habit? I spent several days with a friend recently- I'm hardly ever around people for days at a time. I found myself thinking of really chowing down when I was on my own, which happened a fair amount b...

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Hi! Welcome back again. And only because you're such a veteran i will say remember it's SOMETIMES on S days. That addition that Reinhard had wanted to put into the maxim has gotten more and more important to my efforts over the years. An S day can be an S day with NO S's. That and really coming to b...

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The process definitely requires honesty.

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I think you can call milky coffee breakfast. Only you can know if several of them are less intake than granola and milk, though granola is pretty dense so packs a lot into small spaces... We've just about all used something that didn't really support us as functionally as something else could. I'm a...

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Dinner Monday : About two cups greens, another 1.5 cups cabbage and carrot, three falafel balls, half a cup of tabouli, a cup of cherries Failed after dinner. Had a hot chocolate before a class that ended up I forgot wasn't meeting. It was from a vending machine and included way more sugar than I co...

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Bad luck. It does sound as if it isn't a permanent situation.

Aren't there any online landlord groups that share info?

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Got it. Bit by bit!

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I"m glad you have a sense of humor about your husband's antics. I hope turn about is fair play on something he's trying to change... :twisted: Only SOME people eat their salad on separate plates, and some who do also leave space on their regular plate to do it. It's great that longer gaps are becomi...

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I got an email that you had posted recently, but I can't find it. Did you decide to delete it? How are things going? No news is good news?

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Not sure why the day wouldn't be a success even if the dinner was large. It is all part of the mix until it isn't.

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It saves money, too. I'd get two or even three meals sometimes by having the fast food with about half a plate of a mix of cooked and raw veggies (the raw is usually 2-3 cups of green leafies). But I limit the number of meals I can have fast food at per week now for other reasons.

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I'm still planning to write separately. However, and I know some people don't trust the medical system, but I'd think that having a 1 in 2 chance of developing diabetes would qualify you for a consultation with a dietician. I would at least go and listen, then do my own due diligence. The stakes are...

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You two sure know more about this stuff than I do. Both tips will help. EARLY brkfst: coconut/oat bran hot cereal with some protein powder and cocoa powder. Doctored coffee. Early lunch: 8 oz. refried beans, a little cheese, some pickled veggies, green sauce and a bag of lentil chips (out and about)...

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Not to divert you from just establishing habit, and I know around here people like to encourage NOT worrying about too many details, but there are some truths that possibly shouldn't be ignored, especially for shorter women whose margins are usually smaller. Every alcoholic drink is about the about ...

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I'm a little confused. Why would the crisps have been a fail? Have you made a mod to have them only on S days? Tx

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Do you add some vegetables to most lunches and dinners now? I consider that the beginning of good habits started even before No S. I can thank a few diets for that! Eventually, the habit stuck, except when I was falling off the wagon, or just rebelling. It leaves a different feeling and it's become ...

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A good two months.

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There absolutely is hope. I used to be convinced I was helpless against emotional eating. Not only that, I also believed that I had a right to it. If life didn't go my way, at least I could give myself reliable pleasure. (That was true; I could, but it wouldn't get me what I really wanted.) And if l...

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Responded on your thread, Linda. tx again lunch: beans and rye berries with cabbage, yellow peppers, broccoli, tahini-cobbled sauce. more cherries! Dinner out: got three different salads : quinoa, kale, and butternut squash, abut a fist's volume each. A few cherries when I got home. Saw the movie Th...

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My sister owned a house in Big Bear for awhile while she and her husband were still working. They drove up every weekend. I visited only once. I could see how it would be very relaxing and a respite from the heat, especially at night. I know what you mean by confrontation. It's so much harder than i...

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Fantastic! I hope the moderation spills rather easily into your weekend. Hope you have some fun non-food plans!

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Do the different plans call for eating more frequently? It can be shocking how little food we can eat if we want to lose, especially shorter women, and those who have been heavier and ever lost. I am not actively trying to lose but I used a calculator on Brightangel's site and found I would have to ...

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I didn't use a luncheon plate until a long time into it. It is so interesting that the men in your family eat on that sized plate. I almost can't imagine them being the norm for me. I think I'd have to get rid of all my other dishes because I'd know they were an option! Hmm, maybe I'll be on the loo...

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br. banana, cup of cherries, almond butter, a little cashew milk and my doctored coffee.

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It may not be my place to say but having a 1 in 2 chance of developing type 2 diabetes may need more than No S to ward off. I believe in your ability to face down the urges to binge when the payoff is so great. Consider reframing "deprivation." It's often just the old brain pattern trying to reasser...

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I think you're very smart to start with 5000. And five minutes an hour is a great deterrent to sitting problems. It may not make you lose fat, but it's still good for the blood.

What kind of patients do you see?

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Though the diet sites are fond of aiming at a pound a week, it's actually often harder to pull that off than it looks, unless a person is quite overweight and new to losing. And losing the water can be a temporary thing. Just for the heck of it, I used a device online about a week ago that showed ho...

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Bd, I wrote to you separately. Just know there are people here who eventually lost but had your experience in the beginning. Try to concentrate on the other benefits of the system for now. People rarely keep up with any plan just because they lose weight on it. Otherwise, almost none of us would be ...

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I read Anne Barone's series Chic and Slim. She's kind of snobby, but some of it still pops up for me. There was also Will Clower, also a bit snobby, who lived in France and went on to write two books about adopting French habits. The last author spent several months in Italy where she said it was th...

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"Wonder WHEN I'll prefer to have half take away, half veggies."

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I took some salad and ate that after class, along with a ton of cherries because they were on sale as part of the holiday coming up. The RED part. I have blueberries already. din: 2 cups greens, 2 stalks celery, 1/6 of a small head of purple cabbage, 2T Annie's Goddess dressing, 1 small tomato, THRE...

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You may find that your need for sugar in the recipe declines over time. Try not to test it out eating any of the waffle alone. Add the fruit and yogurt. That's where most of the flavor comes from anyway. The waffle is more of a medium of texture that carries the flavor.

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