Everyday Systems

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I DID make it! I got take out stuff a lot for years, but I'd usually fill 1/2 my plate with freggies, just as I would if I'd made the food myself. Not that it was completely easy knowing the leftovers were there, except that I[m so darn cheap that I loved the idea of having another meal later. Or th...

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b: 1 whole grain biscuit (made with coconut oil), two apricots, doctored coffee. lu:two cups greens, 1.5 cups mixed snap peas and shredded carrot, dressing of mix of olive oil, vinegar, sesame butter and mustard. Two chapatis. Whipped mocha protein shake. (Still have a fair amount of protein powder....

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P.S. Was it you that asked someone why she thought she had to scroll down on her own thread to get to the last entry? Because I have to do the same thing. Is there a way for me to go to my very last entry right off the bat?

No hurry to reply.

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Dunno. I'm still finding out easier ways of using this site after 7+ years. You might consider PMing Reinhard. There is a tech thread, but PMing is probably faster. But he's a weekend Luddite with technology, so you may not hear until Monday. But there are some wizards here, too! In the mean time, t...

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Sounds like a reasonable way to regard them. I'd be careful of relegating too many foods to S days only. You might even try the recipe with less sugar... I used to make plain biscuits that looking forward to kept me from buying a burrito on the way home from work for a long time. On Fridays, to repl...

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Alcohol is considered a separate issue. Many people have a glass or two with a meal. Reinhard aspires to what he calls a "2-glass ceiling," but he's a guy, so women might make it 1 glass. I'm not much of a drinker, but I would think of each glass as an extra slice of bread or serving of potatoes on ...

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Kudos for 4 blocks at lunch break! Not sure what else you can do. Could you go the same 4 blocks twice? Is there any safer area between work and home? Consider using youtube videos of walking workouts in your home. Yeah, I know that's not Urban Rangering, but you can use them as a holding pattern wh...

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Marina, hard news to hear. I'm sorry! I hope your father is okay. Please have faith that that kind of pairing of bad news and eating can be split apart and become the exception, not the default. I'll write you about it separately.

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Not sure what assistance you're asking for. I'd say the best thing to do is to read as much of the Sticky of Stickies threads as feels appropriate. (I'd recommend skipping the "Mods" thread for at least three months, maybe six. No premature optimization! The mods stick better later when they're done...

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Last day of the first half of 2017. And a Friday to boot! For most of us, that means just one more day before a SOMETIMES day. Hang in there!

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A little curious how the pasta bake is "making amends." Do you just see yourself being able to put less of it on your plate to start?

Boy, am I glad lunch isn't too far off, what with thinking about Chinese food and pasta.

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I forgot where you've been on vacay. Tried scrolling back but getting ready for bed. When you go back, let's support each other to get paper stuff done. I was on a fast trip from MN to CA last week and shot through AZ. Stayed a night in Lake Montezuma. It was 103 at 6 pm! But I'm not telling you any...

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People don't like the "diet" amounts, but I've reversed my ideas about them since reading so much about IF and its advantages. Starvation is really a misnomer. It doesn't make sense to talk about starving when there's plenty of reserves to feed from. It's just a matter of creating the conditions to ...

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Got it.

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ONe more day this week! Kudos on resisting the chocolate.

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Hoo, boy, on another site, just for the heck of it, I used a calorie estimator. Per the poster's recommendation, I regarded myself as sedentary. Sure, I have days with 12,000 steps, but also days with 300, so I err on the side of caution. To get the proverbial 2 lbs. a week- a young woman's game if ...

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Binges on S days aren't an oops at first. They're not required, but they are often a release valve. Not meant to be permanent, but the timeline on them with and without mods is individual.

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I would not, though if it led me on multiple occasions to later to crave sweets or more flour foods, I might.

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Good job on no seconds with the Chinese food. I'm assuming there was still some you could have taken...

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Have been back from trip since Saturday, rather wild until today since then. Maybe I should consider recording my intake? Yet I would probably just not do it when I let the urges rule. I also fear that as soon as I decide I will stop recording, it will be like going off a diet and I'll go cuckoo, a ...

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What are Mexican mince quesadillas, plz? What is the mince part?

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The ability to navigate not getting exactly what we want without letting it derail us is really useful to have or cultivate. Good going.

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Slow learner? After just a few weeks? If you don't do something similar 20+more times over the next year, I think you will be very unusual. Then again, it could be that a lot of people do actually get it quickly and just stop posting here, so I haven't seen them in my years here. But don't assume yo...

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Wow, there's a lot there. Maybe I'll make it a project to learn how to do that this summer. Years ago, there was a member here who had a blog on which she posted pics of all her meals for a year. I can see a nice combo of that and other inspirational stuff.

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bd, go ahead and experiment but remember that humans have been working long and hard hours without having frequent access to food for centuries. Sometimes there are biological things going on and sometimes it's just the eating habit brain pattern messing with us. Maybe the body just needs time to ge...

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Let us know how it's going.

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I'm in the minority, too. I think it's gotten a lot better. So has airport food in my experience. Honestly, I would still try to keep to three meals in any one 24-hour period with relatively normal overnight "fast", but then I tend not to get hungry overnight even though I often wake up and can't ge...

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Pinterest is a mystery to me in terms of posting. Yes, No S should have a presence, though it doesn't have the need for the specializing that it seems draws so many people to Pinterest. What's the link to the person with No S pins there, please? I would think a board might also include what the pers...

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There are advantages to having longer gaps than we might be used to between eating events but that can be superseded by other conditions. I don't see a reason not to give it a whirl for a month.

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I'm just going to repeat that it's usually possible to have a satisfying number of "vacation" eating experiences while mostly sticking to Vanilla. I would probably use virtual plating in restaurants for dinner. That can take some firm honesty, but what's the alternative?

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I think it's especially great that you didn't start thinking you could get away with being more relaxed at home since you lost while on vacation, too. You probably get that it was the moderation so far that helped you keep it sane.

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I second that motion.

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Absolutely!

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Several of us have discussed Bringing Up Bebe and French Kids Eat Everything somewhere along the way here on the forums. I was influenced by reading of French women's habits (NOT the bestseller one) long before No S. But it took No S to codify it for me.

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RE:eating when bored: you and about 66% of the population.

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No reason to think you will always stumble.

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Sounds like a stellar week.

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Do hang on. That's two saner days a week than you were probably eating before.

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It would be very surprising if you didn't get stronger. I still get sugar cravings. I'm on several teams on Spark and the experience varies. Some maintainers feel it's not a problem and others do. I just don't know what I'd have to do for them to go away completely. I stopped expecting them to , mos...

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From zero to 30! Impressive.

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I almost never leave food on my plate. But I do put less to start than I did when I started. I aspire to being 80% full like the Okinawans, but obviously, not quite hard enough...yet.

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Meaning you can't make no penalties for breaking the lease contingent on her dropping the suit and relinquishing all rights to sue in the future? How is she affording an attorney? Or maybe I forgot that she is representing herself.

But this is still better than it was. Whew.

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Well, if my Tanita bodyfat scale can be believed, I gained some muscle in only 5 days! I wonder if I can sell the "tourist fitness program" somewhere.

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Valiant!

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All joking aside, decades ago a Spanish home for the aged for some reason fed some of the inhabitants two days a week with about 900-950 calories of milk and fruit and other days regular food such that the residents ate enough on the up days that none of them lost any weight. (They were already slim...

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We need a heart icon.

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Kaia, do your best to get the habits in place. Remember that French women (meal-based eaters) do not see pregnancy as a time to throw out the rules of moderation. The more you have felt the benefits of moderate eating at meals, the more you can appeal to the memory when the time comes. Female human ...

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I was an emotional eater, too, or so I thought. However, when I really examined it, it turned out that I often ascribed something emotional to the eating in the aftermath, meaning it may not have been the real reason I ate at all. I got clear how much pain it was costing me, so just about NO reason ...

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Being able to go from 5 to 20 consistently is a great advance! Let it evolve. I typically take 40 or more for dinner because I have so many veggies that I HAVE to chew, and because I'm grateful I don't have to fit it in to a 40-minute lunch break, but I"m pretty slow at the starches/fats/proteins no...

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How had your week gone? Or should I look at a personal thread for public accountability? Either way, we're on your side.

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Let it takes as it does. It's all part of the learning curve. BTW, I have seen my thin nephew-in-law take offered food from little kids (or anyone else), say thank you very enthusiastically, and eat no more than one bite with little negative repercussion from the food offerer. He just keeps insistin...

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If I may, keep in mind what besides weight loss you feel the advantages are to eating less overall, and to using No S as opposed to the two major other tactics per Reinhard: being a calorie accountant or eliminating foods (which have a very poor track record in general, especially compared to meal-b...

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Keeping it to a handful of popcorn is a coup right there.

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It is actually more natural for humans to feel "real" hunger, have it go away with waiting, and then have it reappear. I'm guessing that it is the body shifting its sources of fuel from the food we recently took in to its back up stores of glycogen. If we just keep eating when it first shows up, unl...

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I will be getting the potassium award (least stable metal) for June, what with traveling and end-of-the-school year stuff, but I've had some very moderate days even among those, so I feel pretty thankful to the discipline of the structure. It's actually been an advantage to be on the road with a bit...

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Well, there have definitely been a few holes in the fence around the law since last Thursday. When I'm on my own, I can travel with little disruption to the structure, but being with others who like to snack (and even need to a bit because of digestion issues) is a little rattling after my slippery ...

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Seriously, Elyssa, absolutely no need to apologize. I feel a little funny that I phrased things in such a way that you might have thought I was offended. Not at all! I felt this was all in the spirit of friendly discussion.

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Just remember that No S is not completely its own entity. It's not really a "diet" that Reinhard made up. It's based on principles that have kept whole cultures slim, probably including many people who would have gotten chunky left to their own whims. It's also true that those cultures don't stick r...

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Oooo, banish that thought! Let's assume it's "extinction burst"... "The burst is a temporary increase in a behavior that usually precedes a reward, a plea from the recesses of your psyche as soon as the conditioned response is no longer yielding results." I don't think it will necessarily precede ea...

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We're having unseasonably hot weather in the southwest U. S.: 38 to 47 deg. Celsius, but I am not there. Will be in three days. We cut our trip in the area a day short because of it. Got to warn you: when I've been in situations that dampened my appetite, it came roaring back when the situation ende...

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My brother used to call me "big cow." This when I was 9 years old. I later saw a picture of myself from then and didn't recognize myself because I was thin in the picture. It couldn't have been me because I wasn't a big cow! I can only assume he was jealous because I was tall for my age and he was s...

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This might seem out of the blue but it's in response to something you said awhile back on "returning." You are starting to see that no one is making you do this. YOU are the one choosing the system because it does something for you that other ways of eating don't. It's not trying to torture you. You...

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You've been at this a little over a month. It may not have been inevitable to have these shifts in ease, but it is typical. It has no predictive value. Successful people have them, too. The difference is so simple that it can elude us. The successful ones just keep reducing the intensity and frequen...

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Could have eaten more but didn't-and I assume contentedly- is very powerful.

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Thank you for your kind words. Have you written your lists of reasons that eating less and having longer eating gaps is important to you? What advantages do they have? Without them, the old habits, which will pop up as urges and thoughts of justification to eat outside the guidelines, can be very as...

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If I may, I always suggest writing down and frequently reviewing the reasons you want to live a life of moderate food intake, either before you begin, or when you're stuck in a failure rut. What advantages does eating less have? How does No S support them? How is No S better than so many alternative...

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Thank you! Just to say, I'm not despairing, just reporting. If I sounded it, I was being overly dramatic. I, too, rarely attach emotional significance to overeating. In fact, I even try not to figure it out a lot of the time. There are SO many cues to eat that it could be several at a time, and most...

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It's interesting to me how many people think that S days are supposed to be free-for-alls in order to be S days. S days just mean S's are allowed. I think I don't even have to eat an S for it to be an S day. It's an S day whether I eat any or not. But it took me two years before I was willing to bri...

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Scones and tea sound good to me right now.

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Nothing else to do but chalk it up to part of the learning curve and hope it makes your resolve stronger- with firmness but without panic.

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I've never gotten the consistent exercise thing down. It just seems easier NOT to do something (eat) than to DO something. Don't be afraid to start with just a few minutes at a time. I have occasionally worked up some streaks by starting with 4 minutes of vigorous moves, akin to Shovelglove except w...

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I don't know that I've even gotten this down perfectly. Nothing to do but keep seesawing a bit.

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bump, for those getting behind in tracking

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I haven't followed too closely. Has your habit been fairly strong for several weeks? BTW, I was browsing a bit in your previous posts and wanted to tell you that I'm pretty sure my thighs were 26+" before I started. I don't know what they are now, but I doubt they are under 22. Thankfully, thigh siz...

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Sweet!

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What was disappointing? Did you not make it today?

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Sorry, I had a brain -you-know-what. Can I take down my comment?

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My parents did not give the slightest hint of obsessing over my college stuff. I"m eternally grateful that they paid for my last two years at UC Santa Cruz. I don't know if they fretted about it between them. But I was the first in my family to go, so they didn't know what it was all about. I wonder...

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Hard to know. I'm not doing any flour restriction that I hadn't been for quite awhile. The thing is, no matter what reason occurs to me when this kind of thing happens, I can always find examples where under the same condition I didn't get tripped up. Two foundational Beck strategies are to daily re...

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Big time fail. And how did it start? by having a very light breakfast and then feeling empty, which rarely happens anymore, and deciding that meant I could snack. Oh the cherries I ate! (and is my digestion reacting now) Then the whole grain flour pancakes I ate at dinner! I really am starting to th...

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You can have two green days this week. Yay!

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You'd have to change your username if you started living on diet shakes. No more experimenting with them unless you're willing to. :P Was this because you thought you weren't losing fast enough? I thought you thought things were going ok. Isabel Foxen Duke, an anti-diet (anti ANY restriction) maven ...

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Yes, but it's also okay to sometimes bump the thread so people who forget get an email message to come to the thread.

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That's brave and likely necessary. I am impressed that you decided not to stretch willpower over two habits.

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Here's to a delicious Hump Day.

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Isn't it interesting to not be thinking about how you could add food back later? So often on diets, people are encouraged to limit their food a lot to lose and then increase it a little (because who can keep up the enforced limitation?) But with No S, it leads to realizing you don't need to add anyt...

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I meant to ask, and sorry if you have told this, but are you acting in the play or do you do some of the backstage support?

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Mondays can be hard or sometimes they can be a relief! It's always worth it to wait.

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I ate many a dinner at 4:30 along the way. Actually rarely got hungry before bed, but I wasn't around an array, either.

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Ironically, I met up with a friend in Los Angeles in a hilly neighborhood with several sets of stairs. Between the stairs and walking around to find them we climbed the equivalent of 14 floors and a distance of 2.4 miles. I think the longest set was about 200 steps. We saw women doing that set multi...

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Yeah, I was supposed to wait until I was hungry and stop when I was full. That's almost as hard as being on a diet, and with a lot more room for denial. I drove up to the L.A. area today to meet with a Spark online friend who lives in a suburb called Encino. We went to a residential canyon that has ...

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We've pretty much all done it. Remember that feeling. It won't be there the next time it occurs to you to do what will amount to being an idiot. Oh, if only it were. In the mean time, relish N days!

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Of course. We still a little more than half the year left. Plenty of time to build solid habits.

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Chugging along really well.

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Nice food, sweet family time, and productivity. A winning combination.

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There is certainly no obligation to have an S on an S day. I think of them as S days because of the OPTION, not actually having an S at all.

When you feel sweets have become a burden is the best time to limit them.

Onwards to Monday!

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Bought my kryptonite yesterday and ate it. Went up 4 lbs. Not one bit surprised. Though it might be more! Did I overeat by 14,000 calories, which is the amount it would take to gain 4 lbs. of fat? You know the answer. I don't even expect any of it to go away because I'm not planning to eat in a way ...

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Ain't she?

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What did you think about the election results?

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