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I hate to tell you but I had a suspicion about that orange cake. It sounded like it could double for dessert and that can be eaten at night, too, and the old habit knows that.:twisted: But you aren't the first to eat something saved for the weekend prematurely and won't be the last. The only really ...

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I like the sound of the option, but I don't know if a teen would think it has the same joie de vivre. She might subconsciously sense it doesn't have the same drug effects...

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It just depends on where the dictionary is published. You won't find "analyze" as a valid option in the Cambridge English dictionary, I think. Anyone know?

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I made it. :D My weight is artifically low, but I secretly regard that as my "real" weight, just without all the water from stored glycogen. But I have to admit it's pretty cool to catch sight of my feet and see the metatarsals rather clearly. If my fat content was lower, such water loss might show ...

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Reinhard refers to the Jewish guideline of "fence around the law," meaning don't do anything that could be interpreted as breaking it. They weren't talking about habit, but it applies. (per Rubin in your signature)

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I don't remember it saying we are a low-carb nation. With all our potatoes, bread, pizza, sweets? But I haven't memorized it all...yet. I know Reinhard posted somewhere a link to an article that said the in the U. S. recently, it was found that sweet calories are now the majority of the calories eat...

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:wink: Going out for a walk while it's light out. A set of museums in close proximity are staying open for free on Friday nights all summer. There will also be food trucks, but I'm so cheap, they probably won't tempt me much. Besides, there are just a few more hours to go... And WHAT a breakfast I a...

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How is it going? Is it too late to have a green Friday?

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It's very likely I need to tear down my garage and rebuild. There is really only about a third of the stuff that used to be in there, but I want even less in the new one. Why do I keep it? It all just sits there. What would happen if it all got washed away? I probably would not miss a thing. Ok, may...

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I think spelling variations are valid. Just like SOMETIMES for you-know-what.

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I think it's a good sign that you look forward to that bowl as much or almost as much as you would to the hyper-palatable stuff. What kind of fat do they put in those bowls? Sounds like they need nuts or more of them. Glad you had a perfectly fun day with delicious food and no S's. It's a very good ...

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Meant to mention that I listened to a video in which a weight loss coach gave her basics for weight loss: 0, 1, 2, 3 Daily 0 sugar 1 salad of 4 cups of leafy greens plus and incidental veggies 2 cups of cooked low-starch veggies 3 hours before bed no food I was so glad to see someone reinforce that ...

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The GOOD kind of surrender.

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I've read that book oodles of times. On Spark, I used to copy a line from each page almost every day.

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If anyone reading my stuff is not a breakfast person, take heart. https://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/10/myths-surround-breakfast-and-weight/ Trigger alert! If anyone is triggered by the idea of purposely eating less temporarily or by talk of diet memories, run now! One more day of my FMD. I'm fe...

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Defusing the scale is a worth habit to develop, but it may be a lot to ask to add it to everything else.

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Not analysing is a wise move, I think. (I bow to your spelling.)

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Meant to say one of my childless colleagues picks a room during every school break and completely declutters and reorganizes everything. I wish she would come help me!

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A few people have sent me messages relatively recently and I accidentally today deleted all inbox messages. If I didn't respond and need to, would you remind me of the message? Tx

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So you didn't feel that other sweets were a kind of safety valve the kept you compliant on the ice cream?

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Thanks. It took me quite a lot of obsessiveness to come to these conclusions. I'm glad someone besides me gets a little benefit. (Whereas our fearless leader seems to have great insights WHILE he juggles having had three children, a few compelling jobs, extended family interactions, and philosophica...

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Know that some No S-ers who consider themselves successful are still compliant only 80-90% of the time, sometimes fully for streaks of varying length. It's kind of a paradox: aim for strictness, but don't assume it's all over when you don't get it. Do your best to keep challenging any thoughts that ...

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Someone asked a question about a post you made about going keto. Are you still doing that?

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I'm glad to hear the body stuff doesn't completely rule you. I know it can sound like it because this is the place you vent about it. But it's pretty rare to find a woman content with her appearance. Maybe I should run a vacation spot where there are no mirrors and I'm the only one who can take and ...

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You should have asked for your money back on the ice cream. NO ONE else likes key lime pie? Is is possible for your daughter to make a mini-version of a pie? Or tell her to invite some friends over on the weekend and have some? Kind of a "sweet" problem to have. As you said, you'll figure something ...

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Would it be a catastrophe if you had gained a few pounds?

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Still? It hasn't even been a month! Most people don't find their right amounts for quite awhile. No need to be one of the exceptions.

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Fantastic! I think this fits the No S ethic very well. You still have your own version of "bright line" guidelines. You are basically phasing the S's in. Very habit-friendly as well. It's always better to start slowly, I think. Otherwise, what will you do when the plateaus happen? You have plenty of...

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Wonderful! Really concentrate on how much better you feel, as that will sometimes have to keep you going. I think the tactic of basically weaning yourself off the afternoon snack is fine, if your intent is to let it go as time goes on. If you practice, your body will get better at tapping into your ...

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Acai bowls are not an S in my book. Are they in yours? Officially, it's an NWS day to have an S event on anything but an S day. Not a problem at all if you choose to use the two "allowed" per month. I've already used one this month. But it doesn't sound like you'll need to, unless I'm not getting a ...

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The research shows that people might start a diet to lose weight but they rarely keep it up for that. If the eating changes don't bring other kinds of rewards, they won't stick with it, even if they do get thin. Newbies on the Spark maintainers' team talk about being scared that they will gain weigh...

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What will happen at court if she's still acting bizarre? Is there a chance the case will get thrown out? Why does it have to go that far? Waste of your time, court's time, your money, taxpayers' money... grrr.

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Yes. When I first started, I would check in periodically over the course of an evening and keep seeing that I was actually full, even if I had a yen to eat. And if I had an inkling that I wasn't getting enough food on the plate, I'd recall how many times I had doubted and been wrong. It still happen...

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And were you right about not being full?

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YOu still have a chance for your three green days.

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Gillian Riley says when we learn to master wanting without eating and without artificially dieting, we have a chance at a real life with food, though not is so many words.

Tomorrow's Hump Day, a great day to get back on the horse.

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I bombed out after one great week. It took another 15 months to realize this was really my best bet at a sane life with food. I've had my tough times, but not nearly as tough as what it was like to feel in the clutches of food. Nearly all successful maintainers had a fair amount of failure before th...

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Anna, if I may, take some time to reflect on the price you pay when you don't stick to the structure. You've had a lot of years to come and go and come. Calmly see that you keep reinforcing a habit that serves you only for a few minutes and leads to a lack of vitality and all-around enjoyment of the...

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Sweet!

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The good news is after long enough, habit will take over the limiting of the food. It may take adjusting over a period of time to see how much and what on the plate will get you where you want, but you'll probably work out your own Intelligent Dietary Defaults to make it easier. I remember Barry Sea...

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We never know if we're on a temporary or lifetime honeymoon, but the odds of it being a marriage worth keeping are very high.

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There is actually a fair amount on the web contesting that idea these days.But you don't have to spend time proving it to yourself. Just keep reminding yourself of two things: 1. Humans would never have made it if their bodies worked better eating every few hours. Conditions just didn't support it. ...

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It's so delightful to hear about this "strange satisfaction." I think that's what happens when when you let yourself have a nice but limited meal. You find out it's enough.

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What you were getting was the desire to eat, which is more like fake hunger/jonesing for food, rather than what I call real hunger. It comes from a different part of the brain. Both the desire to eat and real hunger can be stimulated by all kinds of things AND they can ebb and flow when not fed. I t...

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Not having children, I"m fond of saying that other people's lives are racing past me.

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Maybe I'll try some when I run out of my stores. I think I'm actually going to sit down and figure out all the food I have left and start planning when I'll use what so that I don't end up eating the same thing for a week- or two. I still have plenty of protein, if you count legumes. It's kind of in...

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HI! I missed that you had written here before I posted on your thread earlier. People with celiac need to give up gluten, which is in most of the flours commonly used for baking. But I've come to be wary of what I call particle foods, anything made by particle-izing a whole food. So I don't HAVE to ...

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Please don't blame yourself. I honestly don't believe it's natural for MOST humans to be slim without some kind of scarcity, imposed either by nature or culture, including health culture. Don't torture yourself with the examples of people who seem to do it so casually. When you look at this populati...

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Your husband must be very happy to have so much influence over you. :wink: And you see why it's better not to even tell people about the rules, though it's too late for that one now. We're all so used to making big pronouncements about our eating plans, and weighing in on everyone else's. But you ca...

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Noni, that is exactly my experience with my forearms, though I didn't mention it. My blood ran a little cold when I first noticed it because I knew it would never go away. It's other places, too, but the forearm drapery was a surprise to see at my age. I really thought it would be another 10 years a...

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I wrote and lost a post saying something similar, that you're paying for the pleasure and convenience of being able to concentrate on your purpose there- no shopping, cooking, cleaning up. You might even consider getting a nice big mug of coffee at breakfast time and then going on a reflective/praye...

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Where did you find this cooking husband who changes his cooking for WW, etc.? Will he pack your lunches with leftovers, too?

He is going to love No S.

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Possible explanations: There is a theory that a person does them over and over BECAUSE she feels bad about it. It's a subconscious penance that allows you to go and sin again. Very tricky. But it can also work to get so exasperated with the habit of feeling regret that a person finally reduces of st...

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Excellent new response to hunger.

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Ha! I don't know if I was subconsciously rebelling at the very thought of eliminating flour and sugar, but I totally failed at my new mod yesterday after the social event, and even there as I told myself I would have two scones but ate three, then eating three quarters of a bag of BACON popcorn (dis...

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"Choose your hard" I got from Brightangel who I think got it from someone else. But it's appropos. (She makes my "hard" look like a cake walk, pardon the metaphor. ) I think this sentiment is why some people actually do succeed long term with some dieting. It's rather mysterious to explain that thou...

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transferred below with changes from posts following; actually, I cobbled it, but I think my calendars are accurate now.

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Where did you get the red X's, please?

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I feel that way, too, after all my years. They're so attractive and available, and cheap! I can ruin my day for a buck.

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What a great position for your daughter. Degrees in anthro don't always lead to jobs. She's pulled it off, and to all our benefit, IMHO.

Congrats on getting to onederland.

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Not to discourage you, but one of my friends who has NEVER been heavy and who is a pretty steady dancer (swing and other partner dances), so not sedentary, said that after she turned sixty, skin on many parts of her body sagged. And she remains tiny. It's possible that building muscle with resistanc...

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I, too, felt that I had learned some good lessons on WW, though they had been heavily influenced also by Volumetrics, the Omega Diet, 40-30-30, and the Zone Diet. (I eat a lot less animal flesh now, though.) They probably share some of the Core/Simply Filling principles you alluded to, though maybe ...

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Glad you enjoyed them. Donuts are one of the sweet foods that I can pass by more easily, though the French crullers and ones filled with custard or something like frosting held allure for a long time. Thankfully, all sweets play a smaller role for me as time goes on, though it's not completely caref...

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That's the kind of wild that works.

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Congrats on your green Friday. I assume you enjoyed your dinner!

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I think I'm coming to the conclusion that I want to add another mod to S days, one that I've not wanted to think I need, but it's looking like it would be easier to be definitive about it. That would be no snacking on S days unless in a social situation, which is the same one I have for sweets. This...

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Grrhh. I cannot get the hang of the calendar. But also not sure whether I want to post for eating or exercise. But I'll get on the roster.

CAn someone PLEASE occasionally bump the thread up when you update? Tx

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That's as valid a way as any to develop the habit.

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I found a long email in my outbox to you. This is a different box than the sent box, which means you didn't get it. I haven't looked at it very carefully to see if it might have too much overlap with a post I put on another thread you started about WW back in 2016. How is Vanilla Light going?

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I've discovered that some PM's I've drafted and sent got put in an Outbox and are still there, weeks, months, and years later, but I didn't know it. (This may account for why I didn't hear back on some of them.) Why might this happen? Does it mean I always need to check my "sent" box to see that a e...

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Allison, I hope you got the date kind of crazy...

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Just because it goes away doesn't make it fake. In fact, real hunger comes and goes as the body taps into its stores. Fake hunger usually comes and goes, too, if you wait long enough. It's usually more of a desire for "fake" foods.

The body is MADE to tolerate bouts of a lack of food.

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Got it.

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Diet books hold such sweet promise. They're almost like inspirational literature.

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When those are your options, it can sharpen resolve.

I've actually prepared some possible topics to divert the conversation to if a lot of diet talk comes up.

And it's okay to vent about diet culture here!

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You lost 6 pounds from the 18th to the 24th? Wow

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Yes! Only one more day to keep June green before the weekend.

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So far the band helped, but it was more from reminding me that I want to prove someone else wrong about what's needed!

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Yeah, the protein thing is controversial to me because what is recommended to build muscle is higher than some of the longevity experts' recommendations I've read. Many sources don't identify what low protein, moderate protein, or high protein is, either. One of the last articles I browsed on it sai...

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Yay! One more to go.

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On Habitcal?

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Va va voom!

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Under your last post, there were two books advertised with the witching hour in their titles. Next time, there'll probably be four, now that I've used the term again.

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I would aim for two days a week of a long overnight fast plus the equivalent of one decent meal on the "down" day. But I don't see that coming in the next few weeks.

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Did I say that here? I'll write you separately. I don't think I said three days as I've never targeted that.

I would not recommend any fasting beyond that between three meals until a person is VERY sturdy with Vanilla.

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I'd be afraid of what I might do after I took the waist cincher off... Let's hope that doesn't happen when I don't wear my wrist band.

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I prefer to say I loved food more than I wanted to face the discomfort of wanting to eat but not eating. I also had a belief that I shouldn't HAVE to suffer at all to eat less. I spent a lot of time on No S eating less but not being thin or getting much thinner, but I was getting something else I wa...

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And some of that activity should be resistance work. I really wish I had done it. Even at my BMI, I'm at nearly 30% bodyfat, and I doubt I'd be there if I had done my 14 minutes with some weight while I was losing.

But it's your call. And I wouldn't chuck the program over it either way.

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I've had my bodyfat measured at various points. The percentage is rather high, and hasn't changed much, meaning the loss of muscle and fat have been at about the same rate, instead of a higher proportion of fat. It's possible a different ratio of macronutrients or something eating related might have...

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I've decided for awhile at least to wear a colored loose elastic band around my wrist as a reminder that I want to surrender again to strict Vanilla AND to practice moderation on S days. It will remind me of "bright lines." I may have to get more definitive about what that entails on S days. The lin...

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Ok, this may sound mean but just give them time. You can never tell what shape someone will be in two years from now. If you really stick to this and the underlying principle of aiming for moderation, your odds are much better that you will weigh less then and they will weigh more, though it's not a...

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The desire to snack might go and come and go. Desire doesn't have to be in charge. I usually put salad on my plate, even before No S. I tend to skip salad dressing and just mix bites of salad with dense food, though sometimes salad dressing is the sauce for my other food, too. Double duty . But I so...

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I call afternoons the witching hour. That was when my compulsive eating of sweets and starches would start and not stop until bed time. I used decaf mochas a lot in the beginning, though you don't have to. Can you change your dinner time for a bit, to decrease the gap? You are in good company. I agr...

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Feeling bad is part of the cycle, meaning it reinforces the habit. Do your best to keep focused on the cruddy physical feelings and not the self-recrimination. You can't avoid the physical stuff; you just have to wait until the body recovers. But you can try to let go mentally quickly. "It's unfortu...

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In my case, usually too many dishes in the sink blocking the disposal... I'm probably repeating myself, but being able to get back on whatever program you're on is one of the main skills cited by numerous long term maintainers on the national weight loss registry. It made the difference between when...

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Just wrote a looong post somewhat whining about the success of the book and program Bright Line Eating. Lost it. A sign?

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Do you want to avoid it? Or are you giving yourself the option? Is it worth declaring a NWS day?

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I don't use it consistently, either. Maybe that can be a June addition.

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