Everyday Systems

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You are the third person, I think, who had a vacation leave them wobbling. That happened to me after 12 perfect weeks my first year- and this year, too! Do your best. These derailments happen. I know it can be annoying and troubling after a period of ease, but once they happen, we can't take them ba...

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Short vacation at the end of April sent me off, too!

We have one more month before we are halfway done with our year. Maybe that will be incentive to get SOMETHING pinned down in June.

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Weaning is a perfectly acceptable path, in my opinion. Just keep going!

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Glad to hear that everything is pretty much ok. You sound in good spirits and that's what it's all about.

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With all due respect, I found that I lost muscle over the years of slow loss. You don't want to know how much. I can't prove why, but I suspect it was because I did A lot of sitting in those years. I may have lost that muscle anyway, but it did happen. I can't guarantee that some kind of consistent ...

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Remember that goal. Imagine how great it will feel to be able to declare a green week. Are you using habitcal?

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Yes, the most recent experience is the one that feels like it's got the upper hand.

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I felt okay about my body when I started No S, even though I was almost the fattest I'd ever been. It seemed useless to judge it much, since I wasn't willing to eat a lot less, etc. Not to say there weren't moments I'd catch a look at myself and have a chill go through me, but I felt I'd learned how...

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I kind of cook. I make a fair amount of simple food-grains, beans, veggies- and then add commercial sauce I find at discount stores, ones with decent ingredients. Just for my own eating, I can't see myself being willing to make it any more complicated. I used to use more convenience foods, but I've ...

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Auto, it sounds like either the payoff of the meal structure becomes less obvious or you have a harder time keeping that in front of you. Maybe that's what you mean by being lazy. It doesn't sound like a very pleasant cycle, but I think it's pretty common, and often being VERY uncomfortable is what ...

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So you didn't feel that hunger years ago? Are you eating similar meals now? I gently say you may have to forgo weight loss for a bit while you reestablish the habit. You may have to eat bigger meals. You may have to experiment with the ratios of your macronutrients. I feel the lack of fat more than ...

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It has been my experience that I need to accept hunger and desire. I actually relish being hungry. I don't especially like the desire, but I accept it, and usually feel better waiting for my meals even if it means feeling a little antsy for awhile (that to me is desire, not hunger.) Not everyone has...

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Sweet!

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Thanks, Amy! Yes, it's true about knowing only so much. I've found that true even in the non-virtual world. Just for the heck of it, though I don't plan to do a lot more cooking than I already do, I took the book Back to Basics by the Barefoot Contessa out of the library. It sure made me see how muc...

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Yes, Reinhard has said to just fast between meals. But he's also said he knows it's been part of religious practice for eons. He just feels no need. I'm a bit the opposite of you, I think. I have used it over the last year and a half, but I'm off kilter now and it's the 3-meal structure I feel I nee...

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It is absolutely possible to eat too much on S days. It's just not forbidden. But it is meant to be a temporary release valve to the N day eating discipline until N day eating feels more natural and even preferred. No S can't defy the laws of chemistry. If you eat more than your body needs overall, ...

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Drifting downwards with a teensy float up. Good going!

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I've poured salt into batter. Soap is even better. Though not for your husband.

Yes, it would be convenient if eating didn't occur to us outside of meal times, but it hasn't become that way for me. I accept it and keep to my meals as well as I can.

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I can't guarantee it, but I'd bet you will have a much happier summer if you keep N days green. But you can't find out if you don't live it. Regarding the donuts, try to imagine if you will be sorry you didn't have any if you pass them up or glad you passed on them. Enjoy life in between your meals,...

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I have been there. Amp up the desire NOT to be hating food and feeling guilty over it and the desire to really enjoy it. See deviating as being in the way of those important desires, of being free. Being free doesn't mean not having desire to binge. It means knowing desire is not in control. Let you...

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So you're saying you can fast but you have a hard time not snacking or eating sweets on the days you're not fasting. I actually understand that. When you fast do you not eat anything for the whole day or one meal?

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I read once of an American woman visiting in France. At an event, a tray of chocolates was served. She was embarrassed when she realized that she was the only adult to take more than one, even among the men.

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A very good week. And congrats on the pants fitting.

Enjoy your S days- even if you end up having no S's.

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What is half term, please? Sounds enjoyable.

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Hope your N days went well. Is Memorial Day an eating day for you?

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I thought maybe something was wrong with my mail, but no, you haven't posted for awhile. Are you finding some mods that work? What is NOT normal is for humans to eat willy nilly with abundant food available and not gain weight or have eventual problems. Without scarcity, cultures do not stay slim un...

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A coach on Spark sent out a call to team leaders asking if we had ever met any of the people from the site. One woman wrote of having other members come stay with her for weeks at a time! I can't imagine staying with anyone or having other non-family (or even family, come to think of it) around for ...

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What time of day was this? Did you eat on your own? Did it replace a meal or was it just early dinner? Just curious about having drinks with the family but no meal. My family doesn't live nearby, so I don't know how these things work.

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You are getting a lot more than you missed with the ice cream.

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How is it going, Linda?

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Sounds like your pregnancy experience was different from most women's. They seem to have no trouble gaining weight. Glad you found your way through it and back.

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A day of rest can help the muscles repair and grow. Then you feel stronger!

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They talk a lot but rarely make long term changes. But I was there, too. In a way, I still am, except that it's just about supporting this. And this is definitely more fun.

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It's only your ninth day! Way too early to be worrying about meal sizes, unless you feel bloated and uncomfortable between meals.

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You'll be doing 27 flights. Dang! You are getting conDItioned, girl! They say stair climbing is one of the fastest ways to get there. You have a lot of patience to keep going up and down. BTW, many building codes in commercial buildings say there is a limit to the number of stairs before a landing, ...

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You still have time for two green days before the weekend .

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Well, once again, for all my talk, dialing it down didn't happen yesterday. Aye yai yai yai. Got a slight "hangover" this morning. I'm wishing for it not to wear off soon. I don't want to punish myself, but it's convenient not to feel like eating or even having coffee. It's funny you said that, iron...

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What bad luck. But good going on half a cupcake! May your sanity continue.

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Well, I can't know for sure, and I do intend to go back to my previous eating because I actually did feel better, so I'd like to think that's not it. I really think it's mostly just that we have these old grooves that are normally kind of filled in but if something disturbs the filler, we get whoosh...

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Had a red, but much improved, day yesterday, so much so that I feel like it was green. I allowed myself an afternoon snack. I also allowed myself to eat out of the pan instead of putting the food on a plate! Oh, the little rebellious things that placate us. The portion was what I would have had anyw...

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I think he has admired Flylady because she has routines. People there often report that getting established in the basic routines led to accomplishing much more than just the basics. I haven't been able to keep up the kitchen stuff. Sigh.

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I read years ago that a person could train for a race by consistently practicing at only one-third the distance. that might be a little conservative for stairs.

Do you break it up into parts or do the whole 270 at one time?

Don't give up!

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Keep in mind what the options are and how much you don't want to have to rely on them forever. That kept me going and still does.

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What stairs do you use to train?

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Limiting food types pretty much often leads to loss. You've got awhile before you face adding stuff back in. Cross that bridge and all that.

Onwards!

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I guess I'm a lightweight at benders. Lucky.

Good one, Larkspur.

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I think that is a very reasonable way to wean yourself off those S's. I had to wean myself off wild S days. It took a long time! But what was my alternative? Nothing better appeared. Water under the bridge now.

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I think the urges can come from other sources, too. There are tons of associations with food that can stimulate a desire to eat. You are very right that they aren't likely about real need, since you are eating regularly and probably have some reserves you wouldn't mind your body drawing on. :wink: S...

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Curious what you would do next time in similar situation. Put nuts away as soon as home? Left them there?

I miss real hunger, too.

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I've done No S on meds just about the whole time. It is really true that the structure helps. It doesn't make the thinking problems or the body's reaction go away, but it does feel better overall to use it. Better, but not necessarily great. Do whatever you can to muster the effort to stick with it....

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Hi, muddy. Any day is a good day to start No S. It's going to sound weird but I advise against attacking Monday with a sense of hope. Too much like going on a diet. What I DO recommend is cultivating a calm sense of resolve. Have faith that you can become reasonable with food over time and it may in...

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Well, I have been on a bender apropos of nothing. There really is no good explanation to me. All I know is that I let myself go check the bargain shelves at the supermarket across the street from work Monday, and that led to the full week of doing it, with escalating refined carb intake bought there...

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If it's not important enough to declare a NWS day, it's probably not worth "trading" a weekend day, either. Ideally, NWS days are reserved for the truly special, but it's your call. If you have nothing else going on this month an it will keep you feeling like you can accommodate life, it's an option...

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Real diets were made for healing. Weight loss might or might not be an effect, though it often is because of water loss. Always better to aim at health and let losses follow. Let your body take as long as it needs. (Know that restricting foods CAN make it easier in the short run to limit intake. For...

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Halfway through May. I think we might have had some dropouts. If you've found nothing else, please consider coming back. You can ease yourself in, if necessary. It's not too late! By fall, you will be in much better shape to keep the habits through the holiday season.

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And it may be completely unrelated, though drinking more plain beverages is not a bad addition to most people's habits.

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Congrats to daughter. What's next for her? Anthro is so fascinating.

Montana could net a fair amount of eating.

Was it fun?

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There's nothing in No S that says that a Red has to be an S. :) I do want to reinforce the slower eating training, if you can do it in a relaxed way. In slim cultures, they teach children to eat more like food-savoring adults quite early on. They don't rely on individual instincts. It can be a littl...

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Ouch! I swear by slow lie-backs (rather than sit-ups).

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Hope you are enjoying your meals!

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App sounds interesting.

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Did you say it's your fourth day? Please don't think you have to know the exact right amount of food so soon. For one thing, it will likely change over time. For me, it was more important to try to gauge how much I needed so that I got legitimately hungry about an hour or two before the next meal. I...

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Belated one to you. But realized I don't know which gender parent you are...

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If I may say, it's not advisable to swap N days and S days intermittently. One doesn't have to eat any S's for an S day to be an S day; it doesn't make it an N day just because you choose not to have any S's. That invites a kind of bargaining that can become risky. As time goes on, there will be man...

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Whether it's for the wrong reasons or not, I'm still grateful I've mostly kicked the soda habit. I don't eschew all modern foods, but this one delivers so little real value that it's a very small loss. However it took me years to surrender, so if it's still someone's joy, so be it.

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You aren't the first to "careen" with cutting too much and overdoing it later. It's all part of the learning. Very few tennis players get good at serves without a LOT of too long, too short, and too wide of shots. All you have to do is get really good at them on N days for now!

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Not only that, but it's just fewer hours to be awake with little structure and little chance at either pleasure or productivity. It's a cultural myth that there's a lot we're missing out on most nights.

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Having a green Friday after a red week is quite a feat. You didn't let WTH get you!

May the fork be with you this weekend.

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Exactly.

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Starch (could be bread, cooked grain, flatbreads, potato, pasta), a green veg, another color veg, some greens, a protein or beans, some sauce or flavoring. A piece of fruit. Some fat like cheese, nuts, olive oil. Or leftover restaurant fare supplemented with elements from above. You might get some i...

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Besides these strategies, remind yourself what benefits you think you want and what you DON"t like about the snacking. I never found I could implement any strategies while I still felt I was entitled to snack. I felt that my desire meant I should be able to and maybe even needed to, and I didn't adm...

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There's nothing else to do BUT experiment. Research on long term maintenance shows that relapse doesn't decrease to below 50% until people have gone through a series of adjustments--meaning adherence, slips, recalibration, etc.-for a minimum of two years. Some people luck out and have it all fall in...

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When it becomes second nature, or at least much easier, is not predictable, really. It depends on many things, but it sounds like you have some good instincts. Just keep going!

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Very worthy strategies. I've seen a fair number of people give up because they kept trying to eat "diet" meals and then overate other stuff. I personally think it really undermines one's own faith in oneself to profess the need for purity and then reneg on it.

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Time to post here:

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=173

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Yes, it has become normal to eat for countless reasons. (But so have most cultures that have gotten more and more access to food.) If our culture supported moderation, we wouldn't need diet books, not even No S. SOME people, like Reinhard, can see the wisdom of the alternative to the "normal" cultur...

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I've almost never, since being on No S, been willing to eat less just to lose weight, so I understand your thoughts. I thought I was going to just be heavier many times. I was at the high end of my BMI in high school, so it made sense I might get back there, but I felt there were no guarantees, and ...

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I'm not against calorie counting for simple information. I used to get a soft serve chocolate cone at Costco fairly often years ago. I looked it up once and was surprised that it was 400 calories. That's just a little less than a lot of my total lunches are. Though I do enjoy them, and have one once...

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Yes! Rinse and repeat!

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aumariza again (scroll down)
https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopi ... 042#181042

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Is it a downer to say I almost can't believe I have another 27 years? That's how long until I would turn 90. At least there'll be cake! Hope you enjoyed every bite.

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Isn't it funny? but annoying funny. I've kinda been able to get some distance from being frustrated with wanting to eat when I'm not hungry, but it took some doing, and yes, it can be wearying. But I'm in a bit of a groove with it right now. I have a low eating day every third or fourth day now, and...

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January of 2010 (well, really Dec. 26, 2009) was my official restart. It basically stuck, though I had a big relapse at Christmas time, though it was over lost love, not holidays. I think that was the last time a life event threw me for a long loop. Weight bounced around, but was MOSTLY downwards wi...

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If it's any consolation, I don't think eventual success is correlated with wild S days in the beginning. Mine wasn't. But would feel like crying when I tried to impose limits. Finally I came up with an acceptable mod. WAAAAY down the line for me. The contrast between S and N days is one of the best ...

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I dunno, 5 months of doing well without checking sounds pretty good. But hang out all you want!

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I tried writing short stories years ago. Way hard! They just devolved into sappy stuff more like a teen after-school program. Creativity is hard! You have to be willing and able to sit rather patiently and let stuff come to you, with many hours not really netting much. Pros make it look easy. But wh...

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People can choose their own "what" on their plates, but it doesn't mean in the long run it isn't important. It just isn't the focus in the beginning. Plus, humans can do well on a lot of variation of what, but the slim healthy cultures of the world tend to eat similar overall amounts of food, and it...

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May 1-3 G G G
May 4-5 R R
May 8-12
May 15-19
May 22-26
May 29-31

May 29 MIGHT be a NWS day

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I guess your thread was where I read that story! I remembered it as diet, but that probably doesn't make a difference.

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RE: protein. I agree. Maybe I've just been looking at a scientifically incestuous group, but in looking at the longevity issue as related to lower energy intake, it doesn't sound to me like any of the researchers advocate a lot of protein. I don't think any I've read were into LC. But what's a lot o...

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Cool! Let's see if I take it to heart... or brain.

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Whey protein! That's what I forgot this morning.

How did Lent and Easter go?

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Yes, Happy Birthday! And Sedona is so gorgeous; it is certainly the proper environs for celebration, even if it's just staring at the cliffs. How long does it take you to get there?

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BTW, "long post" is a relative term. I think I beat you with my response. And you never have to apologize for the length of a post on your thread!

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The only thing you can do is test it out. Authors make promises all the time. Eat this and you'll be satisfied. Do this and you won't get hungry. Don't worry, it won't be hard. They absolutely cannot promise this for any individual, though they may have many people who do have the experience they cl...

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Making changes to eating is well-researched and it's well-known that it can be very hard UNLESS the person's motives are clear and perceived to be very important and to involve an INNER value, not one motivated by external rewards such as approval or prestige. This can start the process but rarely s...

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Finally looked up an image of crumpets. It's like a cross between what we call an English muffin and a pancake. And the name connotes scrumptious.

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Took an S day yesterday and honestly, I was a bit of an idiot. It happens. I did not eat ALL the bag of goodies given us. Won't tell you what was left at the end of the day, but just for the heck of it, I totaled up the calories, whichit was easy to do since everything was packaged. 1170 calories al...

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No one can promise anything. But the fact is that many millions of people have actually kept weight and health in check for generations using principles No S is based on. NO diet can compete with that. Given the incidence of obesity in those cultures, it looks like something different is needed for ...

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I meant more what is your energy like when you don't overeat. Sure, it can also be influenced by what it is you have to do. Unpleasant tasks stay undone at my house for years, sometimes. Yet there's time for the internet, movies, reading, talking on the phone, etc. :? But my body feels better more o...

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