Everyday Systems

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I don't want to undermine your resolve, but I used between meal lattes and mochas for a long time. I did morph them into lighter versions, so they were probably closer to 50 cals. I never found that they led to more and more, the way chewing did. One was usually enough. Eventually, I realized I was ...

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Congrats on daughter moving home. An excellent excuse for shortbread.

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The habits are their own reward.

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My skin has gotten incredibly crepey on arms and more recently on chest, but I ascribe that to the years of reduced hormones after menopause. It's possible I had never been heavier it would be less pronounced, but I'll never know now... How do you feel energetically? Or in terms of stomach comfort w...

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Good to hear. And BTW, I sometimes eat LC meals. I like feeling I can roll with several eating punches.

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Please don't get on the scale after a failure! It is just water weight from the salt, carbs, etc. It does not represent a fat gain. Sure, you can make your eating all about manipulating the water retention in your body, but it won't be fun. Or weigh every day but resolve to be concerned only with tr...

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Ella, I also appreciate that you list your weight as BMI. I know some people don't like it, but I think it is appropriate for most, not as a health measure or a beauty measure but just as a bit better picture of what is happening Losing 10 lbs. can mean so much difference depending on the body. Even...

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It took me two years to get to a normal BMI but I was never doing anything specifically to get to it. There were many plateaus along the way and I rarely adjusted anything because of the scale. I'll let you know that I had some very light eating on S days at times, sometimes eating way less on one d...

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Had a pretty big fail yesterday. AT the teacher lunch, they had bags of snack things, which I don't usually have, but I decided I would have one. Then it turned out they were all hot versions, like hot Cheetos, instead of the plain ones. I decided that after work, I would get myself some on a virtua...

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Keep trying to remember that, not just on S days, but often every day, even when there is no temptation. Honestly, for me, it didn't (and doesn't) always make it easy on S days to be moderate. (Mine has more to do with the aimlessness that I have not been able to change.) But it makes it worth it ev...

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Sometimes contemplating easing yourself in instead of cold turkey makes it easier, and even gives you the oomph to get more compliant. For instance, instead of setting out to go all in all week, do only TWTh the first week, then add the Monday or Friday, etc. Or allow a snack during the morning or a...

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I don't know what your religious beliefs are and I hope I won't be offensive, but I think of some of the desire to diet is akin to some very restrictive religious practices. The believers find comfort in the restriction, thinking it is somehow protective of them, and expunges what they see as their ...

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No, you actually gained! You got to keep faith in your word to yourself, more comfort from not overeating, the flexing and growth of your "resistance muscle," and a weakening of the bond of situational eating. All this you would have missed out on. You SCORED!

oolala53

You'll probably "get over" them, either naturally, or from not being willing to let them hold you back eventually, if you think they are.

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Sounds like you very purposely make a mod that you think will allow you to stay compliant, and you're aware it might get in the way of weight lose, but you accept that. That seems reasonable to me. (I think of it as weaning; totally appropriate habit-change tactic.) Not that my approval means anythi...

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P.S. Won't go into the details of why but I walked a lot in stages today and it turns out it added up to over 10 miles! It's amazing what you can do when you split it up. But it took time I don't usually have. Reminds me of a guy named Covert Bailey who wrote a book called Fit or Fat years ago. He c...

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Here's a blurb from Brad Pilon. "Three groups of people, all overeating, but overeating different ratios of protein, carbs and fat. Each group overate by around 900 extra calories per day for 8 weeks. Over an 8 Week period: *Group 1 gained between 6.2 and 9.9 pounds of fat *Group 2 gained between 5....

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Just looked them up. Look like pancakes. One of the last homemade flour items i still cook. And were a common breakfast on Saturdays for a loooong time.

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There are certainly nutrients in chocolate. Reinhard recommends that if you want the health benefits, have it like the Aztecs did- as a hot, unsweetened beverage...

I'll have that right after the cod liver oil. (Which isn't a bad idea.)

oolala53

Amazing. I wonder if we could have been convinced to follow something like No S then. Doubt it. I know I went for a short time to Overeaters Anonymous back in the '80s. It was simply three "moderate" meals a day and no eating in between. I thought they were nuts. Only the fringe element was talking ...

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That's an aspect of slim cultures not emphasized much in the book, but common.

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It's not a very popular message but I'm fond of thinking that we will likely always have problems as long as we cling to the idea that the best way to have a good time is through excessive intake. It worked when scarcity moderated it. But it isn't pleasant to shame ourselves into it.better if we can...

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Regarding Reinhard's genius: I know! And without reading any diet or nutrition books! I'd bet his collaborator on the book found most of the research.

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True, but it can be dicey to decide for someone else. There was a similar case in my old neighborhood when I rented. Only her death solved that issue, not self-inflicted as far as I know. It's part of the fallout of our nuclear family society. I could be that woman some day, except that I own the jo...

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Hugs for warm wishes on my thread.

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Hugs, Larkspur! I'll send one on your thread, too.

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Rest assured your taste buds will recover. And some water weight will likely return. All part of the mix.

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I've come and skimmed your story. It sounds good! I started No S determined that I would follow it whether I lost a pound or not. (But in the back of my mind, I did think I COULD probably get back to high school graduation weight, before I ever went on a diet but was 10-20 lbs. heavier than the real...

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I guess you didn't have a lot of fails between last September and now. Awesome!

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Decided to drop in on your thread, but had to skim a lot. So sorry about your tenant issues. I'm a landlady, too. I, too, usually have things go smoothly, but when it doesn't, it sure gets me going. I had a water leak issue today. Thankfully, tenant with no water for several hours was good-natured a...

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But I ate my breakfast and lunch pretty much as usual. Allowed myself some cafe au lait in between, a habit I had given up about 15 months ago with good effect. Actually, it makes it much more effective to use if very judiciously like this. Now bummed because I am missing a stress reduction class fo...

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I'm so envious of your exercise habit. What a great combo with No S.

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I don't know how I went so long not seeing your updates. I was scrolling down and saw a rough patch about halfway through April when you were saying you wanted to give up on this month. Then you went on to a brilliant run! I'm surprised about your seeing the heavy people as I had read that Spaniards...

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P.S. I heartily/humbly suggest you make a list of the advantages of surrendering to this lifestyle (and whatever appropriate mods emerge) rather than other strategies or to continuing with overeating. Possibly list what you hate about the other options. Read it over and over. Expert athletes and art...

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Diet head is pretty strong and there are some parts of our attempts to decrease "energy intake," as the longevity experts call eating, that can be useful, when we don't get all dramatic about it. But it's too soon for that, mostly likely. Even dieting and failing can be a habit to break. Remember, y...

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Anyone can start it. You can copy someone else's calendar later and edit it into your post. I will wait for someone else just because I'm so bad at keeping up!

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Well, what a fantastic welcome back home. My neighbor called me just before I was going to leave for work to tell me my water main had broken and there was water rushing down the hillside on the other side of his house. He was trying to shut off the city water valve and it was covered with mud and d...

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Thankfully, I bet the taxes aren't really high, and your costs will be recouped eventually. Hope most of the upkeep on the sale property is on the outside and it stays relatively clean inside between showings.

Enjoy those meals from your new kitchen.

oolala53

The guilt is probably a leftover from diet head. I noticed in my case it was also related to the physical sensations of being too full. There was a sense of regret over not feeling comfortable that got mixed up with self-judgement. When I could distinguish them, it helped me be less dramatic about i...

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I trust you've been enjoying yourself more than you might have on a diet that might have had you lose faster, and you're lighter to boot! I started near where you were, but had not been at your goal BMI since I was in the 8th grade, and will probably not get there again, but life is definitely bette...

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When the May thread gets started, I'll ask that people sometimes bump the thread up in addition to updating their daily calendars so laggards like me get reminded to check in.

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Roseanne Barr used to say she had the opposite of anorexia nervosa, thinking she looked a lot slimmer than she was. I'm actually glad to think women can feel they look good bigger, but she was talking about something else... In any case, it has felt better to eat better all these years, even when I ...

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Having reasons to eating moderately even without weight loss is also extremely useful to stick with the plan during plateaus. Not losing regularly or fast is more of a reason to calmly adjust plates than throw in the towel.

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Oh, my biggest struggles before No S were bingeing on mostly sweets, and giving up when it wasn't easy, thinking I should never have a desire to eat when it wasn't a good idea to eat, or that I was going to become an intuitive eater. Or that one slip meant I was a total failure. Getting over the thi...

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Glad to see you. If it's any consolation, my cholesterol has gone UP 50 points since I lost and maintained a 20% weight loss, eat little junk food, etc. (But so has my good cholesterol, but still.) I was lucky enough that I actually like my lifestyle enough that I didn't want to go back, but I wasn'...

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Bit by bit.

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Good S day plan for May.

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Sounds like you had a good week. See you next Sunday.

oolala53

Ugh, landlord problems. Some "friends." I'll hope for the best for you

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Not only do you have to be Mormon, but "Only select LDS members can attend ... Generally this means four to 25 people. The ceremonies are short, do not involve decorations, music, rings or ritual and they generally occur in the mornings." Apparently, it takes only a few minutes. This part of hers is...

oolala53

Couldn't you use a property management service to find renters? Sure, there's a fee, but it might be worth it since you're so busy this time around. And it's tax deductible. Of course your call. I think you may have to accept POSSIBLY hurting people's feelings a little. They're going to react how th...

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I don't think anyone was doubting your steps. But I am impressed that you'd walk 15 minutes to get to the gym. I probably wouldn't do that after walking to and from work. And even if it had been a hotdog, you would have been compliant! Where did you get roasted cauliflower and black rice? (There sho...

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BIG S day staying with my friend and her husband. They are real snackers. I had little bits during the day but just chowed down on nuts after we got home from the movies. Ah, well. I enjoyed it and it helped me take meds I have a hard time swallowing with liquid. Going to wedding reception tomorrow....

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Re:the bowl: definitely more reasonable than using a measuring cup or a scale.

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Look at what you like about being entitled but also what price you pay. Is it worth it? Maybe it is. There's something you can't get when you frequently eat out of entitlement, something you're missing out on. Do you enjoy your food as much when you eat because you feel entitled? See if the trade of...

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Much more logical solution, though too bad you had the problem!

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RE: your post about how often you weigh yourself: you are saner than most!

oolala53

Be gentle with yourself over the past. And tough when the moments of choice come in the future. We usually do it the other way and it hasn't worked.

You're smarter now! One of the advantages of being older.

On Spark, I'm on a maintainers team, and nearly everyone there is over 45. Live and learn.

oolala53

Was the bowl to represent the earlier chili?

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I'm having an overactive imagination on those aubergine dishes!

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This doesn't mean that over time, you won't work out some guidelines for your meals. It doesn't have to be either rigid or a free for all. In slim cultures, it's pretty common what people eat at each meal. Maybe not the exact food, but the food group and amount. That ends up functioning like a food ...

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Allison, if I've told you this before, I apologize, but I can't stress enough how important it was for me to make a list of the reasons I wanted to eat moderately. There were all kinds on there, but most did NOT have to do with appearance. They were more likely to be the antithesis of what I didn't ...

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Well, you haven't been able to stop eating nuts YET. But relegating them to S days for now is acceptable, as long as you feel you've still got plenty of delicious food you can eat on N days. They're kinda mainstays for me, but there's still lots to eat even without them!

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Got it.

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Good luck with hump day.

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Did you research which app to use or just plunge in and choose one? For budgeting, that is.

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I feel ya. It used to be my go-to habit, too. Now I end up on here or another site on the same issue. For a "whole" life, I know it's not the best stress remedy. It's actually just a different binge. But it has kept me from eating. Hope you find some strength to resist the food when stressed. It wil...

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Tx for kind words. Slow learner here, too. Actually, I think I know what is preferable, but it's harder to pull off than just eating less.

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I humbly suggest trying to fill your S days with pleasurable or productive activities for awhile to take some of the attention off S's.

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I used this site. If you put in stats, it will come up with an ideal. If you put in that ideal, it will often come up with a new, lower one until you finally hit the one at which peers are satisfied. These weights are dang low and are nothing to aim at. For instance, when I barely got into my normal...

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Wonderful to hear from you and to hear that it's going well.

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It is amazing to me that I am reading your posts for the first time and seeing myself quoted. Unfortunately, I've seen that this whole topic continues to take an inordinate amount of my time, too, like you saw that diet talk/reading did. I still haven't found anything else quite as compelling. But I...

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That is a great attitude-put it behind me and get back on track. The value of overdoing it, in my opinion is in how it is a reminder of how lousy we feel from the overeating that seems so important at the time. It's clear evidence, not someone telling us. This week, give yourself lots of credit ever...

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I would think they are fine. Have as many as you might have for a moderate serving if they weren't dried.

I know their taste is primarily sweet, but I think it's really the heavily sweetened items that we're meant to avoid.

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No one is promising that this or any eating behavior change will be easy. Changing habits isn't usually easy. But it's a lot easier than living on a calorie-controlled or elimination diet for most people. But you can't know if it will be an improvement if you don't give it a good faith effort for a ...

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You are going to get lots of different feedback, most likely. If you are just starting out, I recommend being true to Vanilla No S for a few months before you start making changes. The alternative is to wean yourself off the S's in a systematic way, but try not to flip flop. The way I used to handle...

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Wow, nothing like real life to prove your point. The poor guy!

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Your reflections on what you need to do sound good. I gently suggest talking only to us about all this. I think our cultures have gotten too caught up in such talk, esp. around meals, which I think ruins them. I say the only appropriate food talk at a meal is how good the food is, and that can go on...

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Glad to see you're still around but sorry it's such a struggle. Are there any mods you're considering, or does that sound too restrictive?

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A person of few words. Welcome, or welcome back, as the case may be.

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You didn't break any S rules last Sunday. It's common for people to have a lot of 'em at first and even at various times. The eating habit is very strong, as is the knee-jerk resistance to reining it in. Perhaps see if there is ONE meal gap you can start with. You may eat a lot at other times of the...

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Here's to a nice N Sunday after delicious extras yesterday.

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My weight loss has always gone is stages, except for the first 10 lbs in that first couple of months. I marvel at people who lose steadily, week by week. I keep thinking this last drop is going to bounce back up to previous heights, but it's gone up only about 3 lbs., which makes perfect sense. How ...

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There's only before and during...

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You keep eating when you're upset because it's a strong habit. It's made up of sensations that you associate with eating and likely thoughts that excuse it. It's a brain pattern that produces these in order to protect the habit. It really thinks it's protecting you. It's likely that the only thing t...

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You're not the first.

I'm always amazed by people who say the weight "just melted off" or "just fell off" with low carb. I suspect there's some missing information.

Which is not to say I don't sometimes have meals with little carb.

Nice to see you again.

oolala53

Wow. Glad it plays such a small role in my intake these days, though the damage may have already been done. Used to buy diet Coke by the case just for ME. Two things finally got my attention years ago: reading that cola drinks were so highly correlated with osteoporosis and a report by a guy who wor...

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Actually, since the body is mostly water, it's no surprise it's where most of the fluctuations come from. It's also integral to storing sugar; dismantling those stores is what all the water weight loss is in the beginning of reducing calories. Each deficit of about 200 calories accounts for only 1 o...

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Gorging on S days is just supposed to allow the rebellion to get out of the system. It's certainly not sanctioned to go on and on . The book says eventually in essence whole weekends might go by without eating an S because your needs are met delightfully without them. But that might take awhile.

oolala53

Sometimes, just remembering how uncomfortable it was and how you just don't want to go down that road again is enough to do things differently this time. It's an inside job!

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Something's happened that I didn't think would, though I don't for think it's going to stay this way, but today I weighed LESS (by 6/10 of a pound) than what is considered ideal BY MY PEERS (not a medical scale). FULL DISCLOSURE; I am modifying No S, but I consider it having been essential to get me...

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Thank you so much for saying that! Though I think of myself as possibly an eating coach, with a smidgeon of health. I'm just guessing on that front.

So, can pushing your toe the other way bring a 5-lb. drop? So much for measurements.

oolala53

When I weighed (every day and averaged once a week), I saw that same pattern. Wansink has seen it in much bigger numbers. Gotta be mostly water, as fat stores cannot shift that much in such a short time.

Here's wishing you a nice green Friday and lovely weekend.

oolala53

I adopted the habit of eating slowly (unless I was bingeing) even before No S. I think it's helped a lot. Sometimes I would feel slightly panicked at the beginning of the meal thinking it wouldn't be enough food, but after taking my time, it's usually plenty. I also make it a ritual to eat slowly ev...

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I think eventually we get that if we want to avoid that feeling of disappointment or regret later, we have to make the choice when the food is available NOT to have as much. One researcher said something interesting: getting upset afterwards didn't really change the behavior but wanting to AVOID get...

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Regarding dieting for health reasons: IMHO, people trying to diet just to lose weight by following the diet of someone motivated by a real health problem is one of the reasons for big failure rates. The person with a health problem has a lot more at stake, so compliance will likely be better, and th...

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And one more: I still get a promo from Brad Pilon because he has an attitude that I like. Here is an excerpt from a recent email: Have you ever noticed that people can find success with different types of diets? Or that those exact same diets can easily fail other people? This is because the diet it...

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