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My theory is that skinny people are in the minority because when humans were evolving, most of the ones with fast metabolisms that couldn't store fat died before they had offspring. Only war, famine, or culture keeps the majority thin. The others are exceptions.

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Larkspur, the protein thing might be part of it. I know there is big emphasis on eating high nutrient foods, meaning a ton of vegetables and fruit, as well as other food groups. They don't believe in just eating fewer calories and being thin. There is no advantage to eating less and being undernouri...

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OMGOsh kaali, when I was a girl, I used to roll up the white bread into little balls and eat them. They were more like dough and I loved that. I don't know when the last time was I had a piece of that bread.

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MaggieMae, you can't really call that short post rambling! If that's rambling, I went off over the cliff!

Yeah, if you aren't getting to mark green days, you can't really find out what could happen WITH them.

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That's a good use of stubbornness. Stubborn moderation.

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Selcazare, I think you make my point. The areas you talked about, it was common to eat heavy foods and in heavy amounts. If food is good, you eat a lot of it, and it's not part of the culture, it sounds like, to care that much about where it comes from or on holding back. That's what I mean by a min...

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Today, I went for an introductory session with a former Russian kettlebell champion- and he IS Russian- and boy, am I going to feel it tomorrow. He even asked me if I was willing to be a little bit sore. It was way more expensive than I thought it was going to be, but I'm on vacation! Cheaper than a...

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I wish someone else would do the clean up. Sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I decided to use up most of the food in my freezer and cabinets, so I'm not "allowed" to replace anything except freggies and stuff for coffee. It has narrowed my choices, as the cottage cheese and yogurt is used up, but I...

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The first two cycles of FMD, I used recipes from sites on which the person had tried to mimic the ratios Longo recommends. I was feeling a little like it made me too "concerned" about the process. It's not possible to get Longo's sanctioned program, as it's meant to be used under a doctor's care, an...

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What happened to the post I thought I responded with? I'll have to write tomorrow, Larkspur, on your question. It's almost midnight. But I wanted to report quickly that I'm going to start tracking my food and my sleep meds (and sleep) because I've had some stretches of interesting good feelings, inc...

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So BMI meals "By Mirror Inspection"?

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I haven't read your whole thread but did see the beginning and some updates and boy am I impressed! I have a nephew by marriage who is naturally thin. I've watched him a lot over the years. He will take food but then get involved in conversation and pick at his food. He seems impervious to pressure ...

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You're getting it. (Not to scare you- I wonder if it bugs Reinhard that I tell people this?- but these little periods can recur for a few years, very likely as the body resists the new set point. And even those who've maintained for five years still have a 25% relapse rate. I hope that just makes yo...

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Yeah, that's the one. I was tearing up, too.

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There is no weight loss without eating differently. Most people don't have weight problems, they have overeating problems. The question is not how do I lose weight, but how do I learn to like eating more moderately? What was so bad about my eating that I want to avoid? Is my weight the only unpleasa...

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You sound more consistent with activity than I am, unless you count typing. I find it so much harder to DO something (get active) than to NOT do something (wait for my meals).

May I ask how tall you are? How far away is the pool?

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Yes, a perfect, amusing No S name. Nearly two weeks in. Hope you're still amused.

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Kaali, (hope it's okay I talk to her here, Gill!) dark chocolate can sit in my house for a loooong time. I don't even buy it anymore. I just don't enjoy it very much. I don't buy much milk chocolate, either, but for different reasons. I do use good quality cocoa powder in drinks and yogurt. Gill, at...

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Yeah, that kind of "diet," just like the others, yields temporary results.

But it must feel great to have some energy again.

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I can't prove my aversion to using the scale is the right thing to do. I just know I hate the emphasis on weight loss rather than on improved delight in eating and function, unless the person really has health issues that requires weight loss. But even that usually means the person will be rewarded ...

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S days aren't S days because you eat S's, but because you CAN eat S's. They are not an obligation. People claim that you can get to the point at which "it's just a number, just information" but I think it's very rare to have anyone who can truthfully say they have NO negative reaction to a higher we...

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I'm going to post a comment on each of your threads, if that's okay, so this doesn't turn into a scale thread.

But glad you're back.

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My friends in Atlanta say there is a saying that it's actually better to live there than to visit, just the opposite of the saying "It's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there." But I was glad to visit. I just looked up DDP yoga on youtube and saw that one testimonial of the guy wh...

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Must have been some relaxing scenery on that horseback ride. Does it feel like you've worked your legs after a ride like that? I would imagine the abs and back get a mild workout, too, just riding the "wave." I just looked at the map for Peoria. Do you ever go out to the Lake Pleasant Regional Park?...

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Well, not the most benign metaphor...

But I can't think of its opposite.

Maybe a little like Michelangelo saying he saw the angel in the marble and carved until he set it free? But it doesn't connote the pleasure all the way there.

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You might wake up feeling different tomorrow. It's hanging in there when it's hard that strengthens the habit!

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I think it's brilliant. Brian Wansink says the best diet is the one you don't know you're on. This sounds as close as it gets.

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All I can say is if you hold on to those gaps between one-plate meals, you will get to the point at which you may still get the urge to eat over stressful things, but it will also make perfect sense NOT to do it. You will know you feel better when you don't. Regarding weight loss, No S can't defy th...

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Forgot to say anything about diet foods. Hmm, I do buy non or low fat cottage cheese and yogurt, but I usually add flaxseed or walnuts to them because I like the combo. I admit that I do manipulate meals to some degree. I will tend to purposely eat less starch at meals with more fat, and vice versa....

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Reinhard is big on walking. He walks to work in Cambridge weather every day!

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Make changes as quickly as they truly make sense to you and come from calm reflection on experience, both internal and external. For example, I never felt any poor effects from drinking colas, but one day one of the warnings I heard about them just hit me, and I've had any only rarely since then. I ...

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Saying hi. Now I'll get updates.

Enjoy every bite and not biting, too!

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I read once that Barbra Streisand was known to have said when being shown a house she might buy that she didn't have to see the kitchen because she never cooked.

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If you can decide that your relationship with food is even more important than your weight, then it's already "working." The weight loss is NOT the proof. It's only an effect, which is very different. You can't lose or maintain or even live comfortably with a lousy relationship with eating. I'm on a...

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Welcome back! I gently suggest you consider trying also to put more focus on how much more enjoyable food is and how much better you feel between meals after adjusting again to longer gaps. These inner rewards actually bring some lasting pleasure in exchange for the temporary reward of eating more. ...

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The plates didn't seem to change size much. Most of those dinners looked like too much dense food to me now. And not enough leafy veggies! Until the kale. Guess I've been INfluenced.

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You sound so wise! Don't keep parts of other people's lives! Not a presidential library! I do feel a little sad that I never had the life to use my mother's china and silver. It was a fantasy. I still have both but will ask my sister's offspring soon if anyone wants the china. It's all never been ou...

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Couldn't you just empty out an extra room or two and essentially close them off? I've thought of renting out my side, too, (the bank and I own a duplex), which is actually pretty cool, with a deck and view and finding a small, 2-bedroom, but I'm not going to do it unless I find the right place. Even...

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These days, I do most of my own cooking, though I have some servings of rotisserie chicken in the freezer. Yes, I do a lot of big batch, very plain cooking of whole grains and beans, sometimes meat in a crockpot, occasionally stovetop, also usually rather plain. I tend to keep Greek yogurt and cotta...

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Bump. Might do this once a month for those who haven't seen it or need reminders.

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You made it work! Given that African American men are the demographic with the highest obesity rate (though still high among whites and Latinos, too), and this population map, the distribution makes sense. (Interestingly, higher income Afr. Amer. men and Hispanic men are more likely to be obese. Jus...

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Congrats on still trying to work the habits! May I ask what you mean by "struggling to follow No S?" Does that mean you aren't actually compliant a lot of the time, or that you have to use some effort not to eat between meals to stay compliant? Also, what are you bingeing on now, if not sweets? How ...

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I find the health issues are much more compelling. I always resented the idea that I was supposed to look a certain way. But health issues aren't personal nor about approval from others. They're just plain practical! I couldn't take them seriously when I was younger, but fear of the risk of dementia...

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I live in 498 sq. ft. Have since 2002. Been in probably 600 sq. ft .or less for most of my adult life. Gotta say I would really like another small room. I considered a tiny house for awhile because I wanted to retire so bad and thought that might be a way out, but looking into it a lot more found th...

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Happy Birthday! (Plan now how to celebrate 45 some way other than reds

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Only six chances to be green in March left! You won't be sorry, if you hold out. Let's hope it will feel so good that you'll want to just keep going.

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Linda, I do actually do a fair amount of political stuff online. I just meant I doubt I will meet people whom I will socialize with outside of that pursuit. I know people through other pursuits. They are just not people who seem available for just plain socializing with, who might just come over and...

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Let's see if I can add the original text now.

Nope! Sorry, all.

Google WalletHUb 2017's Fattest Cities

Boston area is relatively thin.

So is my city, San Diego.

Makes me wonder what these other cities must look like because I sure see evidence of overeating right here in SD.

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Weird. I have tried to post five times but nothing shows up. However, when I try to edit, the text is all there. Let's see if this makes it, even though it doesn't contain what I want.

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I've read that the French actually normally only eat anything like we would consider to be dessert like a big cake or anything on Sundays and they often buy it at the patisserie. They're not baking all the time and their cookies and sweets are apparently less sweet than ours so sweet doesn't play a ...

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Some thoughts on sweeteners in response to a question on another thread . Copied here. I doubt many people could feel the harmful effects of artificial sweeteners until it was too late. That's the nature of degenerative disease. Unless you count still feeling caught by sweets. I still feel attracted...

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I've never gone any time without them, so I have nothing to compare to. I doubt many people could feel the harmful effects of artificial sweeteners until it was too late. That's the nature of degenerative disease. Unless you count still feeling caught by sweets. I still feel attracted to them, still...

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See if you can become curious about when the urge will reach its peak, but without watching too closely. It can be like a headache that you suddenly realize is gone, but you never felt it go. Or, the antsy feelings can be there until the next meal. But you've still won.

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I hope it does, too. But there is nothing quite as powerful as just being able to sit with the sensations of desire with even a little acceptance but the resolve not to give in, mostly because you know it is from a brain part that can never be satisfied and is best just left to fade...

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Oh, how I wish this worked for insomnia.

So when you woke up from your little snooze, did you still have the craving?

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I'd be more curious what the % of weight lost was. Also, I think only the loss from weeks 2 and 3 should be counted, as, if someone hadn't been compliant for awhile, the first week would be mostly water loss because of using up stored sugar forms. A person eating LC would lose even more water up fro...

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I think I read somewhere here years ago that there are those who go off the rails and liars. The most important thing is to be someone who gets back on enough until staying on the rails is the default.

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What's happening? If you are having trouble, let's do some "pre-diet" or "after slip-up" trouble shooting. Unless you have found something easier.

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The regime I've been "regular" with- 3 cycles in a year- is based on the protocol of Valter Longo. I almost feel funny talking about it here because it's so not No S. It's short term, only 5 days at a time and rather extreme. though with my appetite, it's not that hard from a food intake stance. It'...

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So simple. Put food on a plate. If you can get a couple of handfuls of veggies in on the plate, so much the better. Yes, down the line, it may get more prescribed, but this can always be the fall back position. Oh I need to do some organizing. I swore when I moved in here in 2002 I would go through ...

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Look out I'm about to take over your thread. I've been to a couple of politically-oriented meetings. I don't see myself getting very involved in a group. I'm not completely at ease about this because I don't like the idea of my just sitting on the sidelines and complaining, but, aaagh, anything I sa...

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A fantastic record!

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I, too, came across Cower's first book, The Fat Fallacy, before the others. I might be repeating myself but his was part of a little perfect storm of data that all together set the stage for No S for me. His emphasis on fat was actually much less impressive to me - I still prefer nonfat yogurt and c...

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Merry, sorry your family has had some sadness. You're always free to respond to the urges to eat by eating, though it won't get you the habits that you probably want even more. Only you can know if this is a good time to go with the urges or not. You'll likely feel some sadness either way. You might...

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Don't mind at all. Not sure anyone else will know what it means, but that probably makes it even better.

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My saucers are 6.5 inches. I'm glad if that works for anyone here, but they make me want to cry looking at it "filled" with food.

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mistake

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I didn't like it as much as Anne Barone's books, though she has little fame, and William Clower's. But they can be awfully snooty about food (and bodies). But I sometimes get contrarian, never really understanding why a few people get so much attention for similar ideas. Aee you looking for guidance...

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I HAD robust hunger for a few years, but it ebbed and I have been feeling annoyed at the edges for a couple of years. I am now doing some rather non No S stuff, and it feels at least temporarily like I've slipped into a higher gear. I have no idea if the other shoe will drop, but this feels the best...

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I believe a period of lack of debate is a possible foundation for little experiments later. They can go smoothly or not, but down deep, you'll know where the North Star is.

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Had you brought the tomato soup with you?

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Noni, I couldn't believe I had never looked at your thread, especially after I suggested one to you. Your journey has been poignant. I was successful at loss only a few times in my adulthood with long bouts of regain and more in between. I could not make myself keep to a plan any more often though I...

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I was curious because I've been experimenting with single low carb meals as well but for appetite correction. I'm not vegetarian, though I've cut back, and have wondered how real people do it without animal sources. I see single recipes on the net, but I like better when I see everything people have...

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I still have those moments in the afternoon, unless I have something very compelling to do.

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I'm surprised the meal out was so big! And that that was what the family wanted. I think of the French as turning up their noses at English cuisine, fish and chips in large quantities. Guess I had it wrong. Or did they think you would like it?

Ah, the world before diet Pepsi's reign.

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I hope so, too, E50! Now don't get triggered by this entry. I have been coming to the conclusion that there is substantial advantage to eating a LOT less food, as long as most of it is very high quality. I think it would still be an advantage even if the body did not lose weight. The loss make s it ...

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Up to you. On Spark, there is team for maintenance where I tried to get a thread going devoted to maintenance of habits, not scale weight, but it fizzled pretty fast. It was unrealistic, I know, since the whole site is actually devoted to weight loss, though they try to sell themselves as targeting ...

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Decreasing dense foods and adding veggies is in effect lowering your calorie limit without having to count them. I think it was fair to load the plates with heftier food before. Perhaps now you can begin being willing to brave feeling some desire or hunger. You don't HAVE to do it every meal. this w...

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Thanks for checking in. I wish we could organize a way to reach out to others and keep tabs. Maybe a few of the more involved here, maybe five people, could divvy up the threads so there are subgroups of four or five people and check in a couple of times a month? But maybe it's just par for the grou...

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They were NEVER meant to be binge days permanently. It was just supposed to be a way to get it out of the system. What you are proposing is what they were always meant to evolve to, whether naturally or by decision. I actually still so love the freedom to nibble that I've been doing that on Saturday...

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Wow, there was a gasp here with that dog issue. I doubt you will lose significant numbers of friends to socialize with by using a few no's. Just remember that you could have said, gee, that would be fun, but it won't work this weekend. Let's be in touch later. (IF you actually do want to get in touc...

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I'm sorry I missed what the stimulus was for the "low carb" push. It sounds like you are still eating more than 100-150 grams of carbs a day, which I thought was the upper limit of low carb. Is it certain starches you're actually decreasing or leaving out? Was it that you wanted to see if eating dif...

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Consider also browsing other threads, such as "new and have a question," but by scrolling down, for this idea. It's a common worry, but a premature one. In fact, I would say one of the biggest obstacles to making No S work is not being willing to have S days be overboard for awhile. If you go into t...

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By calorie counting, do you mean calorie limits? What changes in what goes on your plate do you think you'd make if you limited calories? You'd likely have to decrease SOME dense calories. Nothing is stopping you from experimenting with that concept without counting calories, though unless you are v...

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If you need some bolstering, consider visiting the thread called "sticky of stickies." It has tons of good reprogramming support. Then get on with life between your meals.

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This is hardly a phrase, but

Success comes not with daily perfection but with simply whittling down the frequency and intensity of failures until the new habits are the default.

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Hugs.

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I realized at one point that even with all my experience here, I actually still feel some trepidation going out to eat. I feel some resentment that it's so hard to be able to get meals you could live on as a routine at a reasonable price, and that I'm likely to have to exert some effort not to eat t...

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It really takes several weeks of maintaining a weight for it to be a real new weight. The benefits of these new habits go way beyond the scale, and they are what will make this sustainable. I gently recommend you give them LOTS of attention and much less to the scale.

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I got a lot of good out of the workbook. I've read all of them, and I think it's the most practical one. But I never did her recommendation for calorie counting, planning all food ahead, etc. Just the habits before the start of whatever diet she tells you to choose and then No S and the thinking str...

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People who live in slim cultures would get fat on our restaurant food all the time, too, even if it fit on a plate.

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https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=11275

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Yeah, being an idiot on the WW carb cycling wouldn't be sanctioned, though calorie theory says that if you wanted to eat 500 calories one day so you could have 2,500 the next, and have them average out to 1,500, it would work. But I tell ya, eating 2,500 calories in a day sounds awful to me now. I'v...

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Perfectly appropriate to ease your way into the S's. The French have a lot of slim habits, and not snacking (for adults) is one of them. The more I learn about the insulin issue, the more it gives me the willies to see so many people at risk being told to eat often or thinking themselves that not ea...

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I don't like to give much attention to body measurements, but I did go for a bodyfat analysis yesterday. The fat and muscle ratios in my arms and legs changed from last year, with fat gaining ground, even though my weight isn't that different. However, my distribution is considered quite healthy, an...

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I suggest you don't try at this point to schedule the cutting of carbs. Being more random means you won't necessarily be able to see obvious results in weight or even physical condition, as I believe it's hard to know if the effect of any meal is the result of the most recent meal or a combination. ...

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Not really much reason to weigh, especially if you're not having fairly green weeks. Hope you can see the hunger as a good thing. Enjoy those meals!

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As I mentioned above, Schwartz found that the brain changed in those with OCD when they distracted. Perhaps it's a different change than Riley thinks happens with her process. I believe anything you do that is NOT eating is in effect a replacement, whether it's actively doing something else or just ...

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You cannot lose weight unless you can sustain habits of moderation whether you lose weight or not. I'm not sure what you mean by "normal," because most of us normally overate before No S. Tomorrow you enjoy three moderate one plate/bowl meals with no sweets and hold on tight in between, and do that ...

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You don't know how much good it does me to read that you had 11 years of dust somewhere. Judith Beck's book on cognitive strategies was integral for me. I've read several books on eating in France. They all have their biases and in my opinion distracting ideas, but the ones that come to mind are The...

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