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oolala53

Awesome news! I think you're the first I've heard of with the patience to phase the S's out. What a boon to have weight loss. And yes, the freedom in not depending on snacks of any kind. I'm fond of saying the best snack is my body's stores. But it can take it awhile to get good at mobilizing them.

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The program is not about losing weight or affecting the metabolism. It's a modified fast to mimic complete water fasting, a practice which triggers first protective and then regenerative mechanisms that counteract internal aging. To do this, the calorie counts need to be pretty low and the nutrient ...

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That's his no S rule: no sugar-coating.

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funny, as I haven't searched Emerson recently and they were back again! But they sure are less triggering than diet books, which are what I usually see. Maybe it's influenced by an average of visitors' searches. But immaterial, as I'm unlikely to buy any new book anyway.

oolala53

I wouldn't call it painless for me. Just less painful enough to be worth it. (I add that because I know like me some people's definition of painless could make them think it's not working for them when it is!)

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I do have to adhere to calorie limits for 5 days. The makeup of each day' calories is also strictly prescribed. The majority of the calories come from fat. The ratios are not meant to be permanent. It's been determined that these limits and ratios are needed to spur the changes mentioned. There is n...

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P. S. I was looking at the profile of a woman on Spark who I've watched a bit. She has never officially been a No S-er, but her eating plan has evolved to just three meals a day. She's a lot thinner than I am, despite teh fact that she eats a lot more than I do, but eats quite a limited range, or it...

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Oh, the food pushers! It's so ingrained in us to offer sweets as something nice. Did your mom and dh eat the dessert even though they are supposed to watch carbs? That's a little scary. May I suggest: "Oh, how kind of you! We really are full. Can I have a container? Our daughters will love this." No...

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OMGosh, there was an ad for a book called 101 Perfect Chocolate Chip Cookies just below your post.

I ate a lot more than a serving or two at a time. If I had stopped at the beaters and bowl scraping, I would probably never have ended up here.

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If you might be triggered by reading about calorie limits, STOP NOW! Disclaimer: this is not about weight loss. I am doing a short stint of calorie reduction. I believe it is doing good things for me, but it doesn't mean it's easy. Tomorrow is my last day. It seems to be a bit tougher than I remembe...

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Okay, I just have to post that when I came to this page, there were FOUR books about Ralph Waldo Emerson being advertised at the bottom. Didn't scroll through the previous posts to see what prompted THAT! Now, I'm going to go plant a work on my thread to see what happens, though I may have to wait f...

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Wow, I still can't bake stuff. Too much of a history of eating most of the batter/dough. I've never once eaten any of that that it didn't taste absolutely fantastic and initiate a rush of intense desire. I'm so glad you're not susceptible to that.

Congrats on great progress.

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You can't tell it has "worked for her" until she has kept the weight off for two years, IMHO. An eaating plan should help the person be content with eating less for the long run. You can't see the long run in a few weeks or months. Some people are able to use calorie tracking to get an idea of how m...

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Using your own words: I abandoned No S BECAUSE it felt too superficial that I would write about my food intake when I had life/death stuff to deal with. I actually felt guilty for wanting to keep No S. In retrospect I would have stayed with it because it was the only thing in my world I had any cont...

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It still seems like most of your calories are coming from carbs. Sounds like you're limiting mostly the refined carbs, like ones made from flour, though the rice would be an exception.

I'm getting a little hungry reading this.

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Sorta long, but some may appreciate the bolstering.

https://www.designmom.com/french-food-habits/

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I'm not sure they are completely reined in, but adequate. My two biggest issues were cookie dough and basically way overdoing sweets when alone. So, no cookie dough ever. (That's still hard to say. I still have fond memories!) And no sweets alone. Since I'm alone a lot, it cuts down on what I can ha...

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Trying to understand. What's in the way of windows of meal times? Are the workmen working through dinner time?

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I'd bet that the cravings for junk would fade over time, especially if we were getting adequate food consistently. I'll be honest and say that my temporary routine is a little difficult tonight. I"m so glad I don't believe I have to live like this for weeks and years. But I think I'm getting used to...

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March is a great month to go green! With a couple of NWS days...

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Giving up the fried food sounds reasonable. Offering it up for Lent should help dispel feelings of resentment. No one is making you do this and you're not asking for anything back.

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It's the next best thing to having it happen without having thought about it at all.

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I think about this when I read of proponents of eating less often than three meals. They'll imply that most people are doing that and could stand to cut down to two. I'm thinking, where have these people been? Who the heck (but us and a few other outliers) are eating only three times a day?

Onwards.

oolala53

This is fabulous. I run a small team for No S (with permission) on a diet site. May I share your story?

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Linda Spangle wrote a whole book on making friends with the scale, which is moot for you now. But she emphasizes that a person needs to learn to regard the number with detachment. The only useful reaction to the result is to just keep up with whatever eating plan you've deemed supportive and livable...

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I read Judith Beck who talks about that same information about reinforcing or breaking the connection with eating habits. Her thinking strategies were pivotal for me. I think that idea that it takes three weeks was based on much simpler behaviors. I don't want to scare you but the National Weight Lo...

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Even if the 3 meal habit doesn't get me super skinny (prob won't), it will keep my weight stable. These big fluctuations in weight happened because I have been dismissive of the importance of really sticking to the NoS principles. I was in a hurry to get these last several pounds off so I ignored t...

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TexArk, that's all you do. Post and you've checked in. There are 38 people on the team. I haven't been looking at the monthly challenge. Maybe some of them are posting there. Some might just be posting on their own thread or just on other people's. Or just not posting. I wish we could do a phone tre...

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What does a vegetarian low carb dinner look like?

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Since this is not really No S, I'd rather tell you more details privately.

Feeling a bit empty tonight but I know from many experiences that I will often wake up with no hunger after feeling like this, so I'm looking forward to the body tapping into its stores.

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But it DOES give us pleasure. It's supposed to. It's just that we're in positions to overdo it, and we weren't designed for that. Prefrontal cortex to the rescue!

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BTW, I don't say it will be fun. it might be easy or it might feel really hard! But it's worth it, like many other difficult things we take for granted are difficult. But you can't find out if you don't do it...

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Boy, I remember very clearly when just seeing certain foods meant I would eat them. Such as finding a candy bar in my desk at work. It was just a done deal as soon as I saw it. I also still remember after some months of No S coming across candy in the same situation. I still felt the rush but it was...

oolala53

You are going to feel all kinds of sensations in your stomach at various times. I gently say to try to ignore them They are irrelevant to your eating. Mealtime is your new cue. You can do this! Your body was MADE to sustain you without eating all the time. Give it a chance to learn to use its stores.

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Elizabeth, when I was 56 I realized I had been grappling with overeating for 38+ years. I couldn't stand the idea that I would spend my next decades doing the same thing. There were SO many afternoons the urges to eat would be really strong, but I would think THIS is the moment I must choose not to ...

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Welcome home, Elizabeth! Like Dorothy you had to go "travel" to find out that there's no place like home. Knowing that the options are not real options anymore can really help.

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I never knew of the pancake-Fat Tuesday connection. Just had a big one on Sunday. Doesn't sound appealing now. Glad! There's always next weekend...

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Welcome home. I visited Atlanta in the summer one year. Wow. But you're probaby used to humidity. I imagine it was pleasant now.

Grits don't stick with me quite the same unless I make them like they do in the South. I imagine there was some delicious form of fat in them.

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I just read about a Pacific Island that is starting the process to prohibit the import of any junk food on their island. Their diabetes rate has climbed to 24%. In the States, different sources say different things, but I think the cap is 11%. They feel the import of these foods constitutes an unfai...

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I'm doing some "low" eating this week, something I plan to do close to the turn of each season. I did it twice last year. Hope to get in at least three cycles and maybe all four. I feel like it's a bit of an early Lent activity. It's coming naturally today- I proabably would have done something simi...

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Nice!

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A week of that will give you some good feedback. Sticking to the set limit is good training.

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There is a website that tells you how your weight compares with others of your age and height. It allows you to see how much women in your category THINK they should weight. When you put in THAT number, the new peers then usually want to weigh less. In my category, women are not satisfied with their...

oolala53

When you get that you really aren't getting much joy from the S, whatever it is, that's usually when you can comfortably implement a mod. (It doesn't usually work if it's out of panic to attempt to lose weight faster.) Sounds like you're there. It was amazing how long it went on for me getting stunn...

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I wish I could tell you how many times I've read of baking sweets erodes people's will. I rarely bake ANY sweets now, I've "burned" myself so many times. I still actually love the idea of eating cake batter or cookie dough. If I were going to, I would save the baking for the actual day I would serve...

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All in the mix.

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Pancakes and waffles led me astray a fair amount over the years. I used to keep baking mix around, but I finally gave that up. I have some less refined alternatives in the cupboards, but I still rarely make them because honestly, I don't really like just a small amount. They are so refined that it's...

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Remember how good it feels to get to the next meal with a sizable gap between eating events and stop eating now! Be strong and see that you don't really, down deep, think that your weight or your eating should determine your self esteem. Do you? Would you want your daughters to think this way? Quest...

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Add any links you find lauding walking, if you're not too busy walking.
http://www.thedailypedia.com/2015/11/st ... e-running/

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Thanks! I've corrected it above.

The other one was a mistake, from a unit we are studying in our senior English class on brain research and whether it's valid to try some young criminals as adults. I must have accidentally cut and pasted that URL. Mu!st have been a shock

oolala53

Guilt is a funny thing. Feeling it strongly after a behavior can actually make it more likely to repeat the offending behavior. It's a fake penance. What works is to recall the displeasure of the guilt right when you're tempted and act to avoid it then.

So, I hope you marked it and moved on.

oolala53

Allison, below your post on my screen were ads for Bran Buds instead of diet books!

P.S. When I first posted this, the ads went back to diet books. I hope it helps Reinhard make some money or at least break even. Can't believe he's never asked us for even a token donation.

oolala53

Love the FD classification. Nice complement to FH: fake hunger.

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I hope we can consolidate these great sources, just in case strugglers need more justification. So post here anything that seems to support limiting (but not Eliminating) and of the S's. (I'm even going to link the thread on resources to support no snacking alone.) I consider the second link to be i...

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The fiber thing is the only food idea not covered by No S, or pretty close. Having sweet drinks on weekends can be a step down to having little to none. I'd say informally most who stick with it decide they'd rather chew their sweets.

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We all have countless pairings of food and situations. That's actually a kinda lovable slip. Unless you Skype watch TV every week....

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Re: your comment on adjustment to some meals, would you have more fat? Or just have a freggie meal?

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Agreed.

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Wow! Even if it's temporary, it's interesting to know that your body can drop to that weight. I always think, "That's my REAL weight. If it's more in the next few days, it's just water." It's fine with me to weigh more because of water, though that's possibly not the best outlook. It just usually me...

oolala53

So you're holding your own. I can't remember: had you gained some previous to the four months you mentioned?

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Oh, I never had any rain while I was walking for exercise. Though it's not true to No S, I have continued to experiment with having at least a couple of days a week on which I eat quite a bit less. There is just so much evidence for the value of temporary decreases in energy intake (and for periodic...

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I know of Lustig's work. It's not about being a quack but of having a personal perspective that doesn't allow for other explanations. It's the nature of the temperament of most authors to want to develop a personal perspective and promote it; that's why we get so many books and many sound pretty goo...

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The misery of the alternatives- consistent overeating or "following a diet"- kept me on the No S path for, well, up until now! Even though I wasn't in it for the weight loss, I sometimes suspected that I could lose more. (I still could.) But I would look at what I was eating and what I might be will...

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On to a new week.

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YaY on the loss! Post as much as it helps you. If No S just fits in, glory be.

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I feel resentment sometimes that I have urges to eat when I'm not actually hungry. Maybe it's the same thing as what you're talking about. And another thing I do resent is how hard it is to find a reasonably priced decent quality meal when I'm out and about. I don't want a plate of heavy stuff and I...

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Good job avoiding the "faster" trap.

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Getting non-work days down can be tricky, but once again, it's all habit! You're so smart sticking it out.

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I'd bet your doctor has seen it all, and besides, I think they see things differently than we do, and in a good way. It's more clinical for them. It's just a condition.

Congrats on not answering the food calls.

oolala53 · see update below on Feb. 28, 2017.

see update below on Feb. 28, 2017.

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MaggieMae, there are more reasons than just weight loss not to give in to that stuff when the urges come. I know it's hard to get motivated to do things now to make your old age better, but just trust me that your brain will thank you. It's not your imagination that food does actually quell anxious ...

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I actually often like walking in my neighborhood, but it still helps to have a destination.

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I didn't phrase that well. In fact, I can't figure out what I was trying to say now! I was curious about something, not saying anything was curious. I actually didn't expect to lose, having entered menopause myself before I started, but it happened anyway. I can't say it was painless, just a lot les...

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S days were never supposed to me we would permanently eat just because we could. I needed a lot of lessons in this. I felt unwell countless times! But I kept hoping the desire would just go away on its own. It didn't. I finally instituted mods, though you got uncomfortable AND fed up much sooner tha...

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Curious to know what the S days were like before. (My early ones started with syrup-drenched pancakes and were a chocolate-and-carb all day fest for a loooong time.) Was it a lot of snacking?

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Once a week whether I need it or not!

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Had a wild day after Valentine's on discount candy. Boy it was delicious, but my body hasn't recovered. Actually, it hasn't recovered from the ensuing eating I did in an attempt not to restrict. In fact, I was ultra generous in non-sweet eating to make sure I didn't seem to be punishing myself. I ha...

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I asked Reinhard about how often weather had stopped him from walking to work and he said it hadn't. Here in SoCal today, rain was predicted, but it was mostly just windy until about an hour ago. So, by golly, I put on a scarf and a coat, hung my umbrella on my arm, and walked to a local restaurant ...

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Linda, I gently ask: what do you think you are missing out on by following the rules? What do you miss out on when you don't follow them? Even more than a stern talking to, seeing that you can't get something you really want if you don't follow the rules, and that you aren't giving up something real...

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Being able to accept some hunger, especially close to meals, is a great skill to aspire to. Congrats on being able to get through even when it comes earlier (mid-afternoon). If it doesn't go away on its own and you want to try to drop the mid-afternoon beverage, consider a bit more fat at lunch? I k...

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From the general discussion board: https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3811 And from a newsletter by Brad Pilon, advocate of IF: The truth is Deprivation kills consistency, and consistency is where your results come from. If a diet isn’t sustainable, it’s not going to work, so save a litt...

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I was surprised when I did some comparative research on the average BMI for different countries that Germany's was pretty low. I was guilty of having that stereotype of a hefty German chowing down on loads of sausages, potatoes and beer. Obviously, they do it in moderation. Also, I took the liberty ...

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Bluebell, you are normal; it is almost the rule rather than the exception to do that. There is a subtle way in which a part of ourselves thinks it has done penance for the "sin" and can therefore do it again, because all we have to do is feel bad about it. It's a habit, too. Isn't it great that brea...

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Jen, did you put in a plug for nosdiet.com and Reinhard in the comments section?

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from the general discussion board

https://healthyeater.com/goals-sometimes-enough

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Sorry to drag this out, but how early do you have to get to work? Do you never have to take much stuff home and bring it back? No doctor's/dentist's appointments after work you can't walk to? Big grocery shopping on the way home you need a car for? (I'm looking for defenses for my living where the t...

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So you basically maintained your weight, which wasn't actually officially overweight? A gift and a feat in itself, but curious. And congrats for three years of No S-ing.

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The only time I consistently felt like I really lost my desire to eat was when I was on a medication for a period of time. I actually didn't like it, as I like getting hungry for my meals. And when I stopped the meds, it all came roaring back. No S for me is not the breeze many people would like, bu...

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Most of these sound so smart and un-junky that it makes me wonder what people were eating before No S. Was it basically the same but you were doing a lot of snacking and eating desserts? Or have these default meals evolved from more fast food or the like?

oolala53

When you get really grounded in this, you might start thinking that the crazies are running the food asylum.

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P.S. To me, putting my food on a salad plate looks forlorn. But maybe my salad plates are pretty small. I can do an 8-inch plate for lunch, but anything smaller than that and I feel like I'm in child zone which equals punishment. Unless it's breakfast. Aaack! I tend to serve myself dense foods accor...

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Has weather ever stopped you from walking to work?

(I lived in Lynn for a year. We got released from school one day because of snow and I had to walk home through it. It was pretty easy. But there wasn't much wind. I think wind or heavy rain is harder than snow.)

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Did you say below that you are using SLa now? Isn't that just one meal a day and some fat? A diet doctor (one of the IFers-every other day a low cal day) posited that fewer than 10% of people in the world are like that. Just about anywhere in the world people get frequent access to food, there is we...

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If road trips are your biggest problem and you don't take them often, that's actually lucky. And even that could change with long term compliance.

Enjoy your N days.

oolala53

Is half term a break or a crunch?

Seven years in and i still rarely bake. The dough or batter is like kryptonite. I gave myself permission not to have t face it down. But I've seen others here get over it beautifully.

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I gently say that disgust after the event rarely changes the offending behavior. It actually often subtly perpetuates it. See if you can cultivate a more rational sense of, "Boy, eating all day ends up being uncomfortable and unsatisfying. The food is attractive over and over, but the pleasure is ov...

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Just have to tell you that one of the book ads under your most recent post is for a book about a feud between the Clintons and the Obamas! I dont think it's about food and eating, but who knows?

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Being tired of the overeating was my main motivation to reduce wild days. They never went away on their own. It wasn't suddenly easy, though. I had to white knuckle it a lot because the body still sent me signals to eat.(This stilll happens, but I can't blame it on No S. Just have a hard time fillin...

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