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You could easily go all day without eating on Shangri-La? I could never have done that without No S and reading Eat Stop Eat. I still can't do it easily often, though I would actually like to. But only certain kinds of events can divert me enough to do it. I think there are health benefits beyond we...

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Bumping this up and will be sporadically adding links to other sources that have been posted. Consolidation would be helpful, even if we are cherry picking.

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I wonder if Reinhard will be Urban Rangering to work tomorrow... Hope he's safe.

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So neither Shangri-la nor 14:10 were good for weight loss but adequate not for lifestyle? I'm experimenting with them but not for weight loss and not daily. I weigh only occasionally. I'd like to think at some point, I won't weigh at all, but I'm not ready to throw out my scale. I did that years ago...

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haven't been here for awhile and was reading through some posts. I wanted to say I know I can adopt a new cuisine, but what I'd really like is to live in the whole culture that it occurs in. However, those cultures depend a lot on long friendships and relationships. The Blue Zone authors admit that ...

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You're braver than I am to bake. But you're also basically holding your own, so onwards.

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All bran cereals I feel were a great discovery for me on WW, of all things. I LOVE Bran Buds. All brans and cooked oatmeal are just about the only cereals I eat. I've "gotten over" all the others. I call them "particle foods," and they are often not very satisfying in small amounts, at least to me.

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Hope you're still having some satisfaction in cooking. Everyone will benefit!

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Hope the trend of less at night has continued. Though there are slim cultures that eat late, there's a lot to be said for a longish nightly "fast."

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Merry, how was the chip and dip? I'm looking forward to a potluck toniight because there'll be African stew and the awesome chocolate mousse layer cake I'm bringing. Oh, and there'll be some humans, too.

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That is so sweet of your to say so! I can think of few other rewards greater.

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S days might be eating days for a long time. You'll either get over it with no effort or you'll get sick of it and use a mod. Still win win, IMHO.

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Stick to your meals, Linda. Don't let Trump win...

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No, it was just a marketing ploy for Thanksgiving season. It worked on me! But I felt it was smarter than having pancake fixin's around because they were binge foods for me. I think I had 'em twice and was done with it.

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You do what you deem best on sick days, but I've found a lot of the habits I developed to deal with illness were not really serving me. And that's all they were, habits. Maybe some time of compliance on No S later will give you some other ideas of stuff to have around.

Get well!

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Didn't want to ask on the general board what the plan was that got weight off you because that can just get the poor newbies' diet head goin'! Not fair to No S. But is Shangri-la the diet that did it? I remember reading it years ago before No S. I found it crazy, as you can imagine. Heck, also years...

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Exactly. But congrats on beating the odds.

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Two for the show! Glad I could spread the word.

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The post was from about 8 years ago, so don't know if you'll get a direct response. I looked up the doctor's name and saw three books, two of which were more specialized. Maybe it was this book? http://www.therealyoudiet.com/ Just found it as a pdf online. http://nrc.ajums.ac.ir/_nrc/documents/The%2...

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Izzy, if the mods are consistent and keep you moderate, that is right in line with No S. Also, it has ALWAYS been emphasized not to let failures become dramas. Successes SHOULD get more attention, even incremental ones. That is possibly the fifth but unwritten rule. (Resist WTH is the fourth.) But n...

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I tried some mods last year just about this time and did some careening for nearly the rest of the year. This year I'm remembering more easily how crummy it felt to devolve into old habits. I admit I've also been allowing myself some obsession and brain washing about the benefits of the mods. The co...

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Well, unless it leads to backlash. But if plain ol' Vanilla is your fallback position, you'll likely be ahead of the game.

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I had that sense of "Is this really all the sweets I will eat forever?" many times. I still overdo them sometimes but my intake is miniscule in comparison to preNo S days and I couldn't imagine eating them more often (I also use stevia on a daily basis for coffee, tea, sometimes a bit on fruit or yo...

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We can make only guesses as to why real hunger is happening, and how long such a reaction might happen. I posit that your body is still learning how to adjust to take advantage of its ability to pull reserves from their storage spots. Frequent eating can make these mechanisms "rusty." But who knows?...

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Holding out for how delicious those first few bites sustained me many a time. Long may it wave!

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Note that this was after a period of experimentation. I do things now that I couldn't have done in the beginning.

Excelsior!

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I've never heard of the pancake tradition here in the U.S. People here, if they celebrate, I think tend to do it with booze ala New Orleans style Mardi Gras style. There may be unofficial pre-Lent overeating, too. :shock: But we've got a ways until then. Pancakes with a LOT of syrup was how I starte...

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It can get expensive, but it's often possible to get coffee or tea when out and about. A 99cent decaf coffee at McDonald's during the "witching hours" (between lunch and dinner) saved me many times in the first years.

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So, what are you thinking, JJJP? What's going on? Have you figured out any helpful guidelines from what we've said? Or decided you didn't need them quite the way you thought you would? Are you finding deprivation to be a problem?

We're on your side.

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I suspect some of it is changed appetite and some is just recognizing that there is no real hunger. (Not being hungry doesn't always take away my desire to eat. Like right now. Tea and posting IS my meal for now.)

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This is a bit of a hard one. Is it likely at all that you will socialize on weekends even though you work? Though there are people who have succeeded in changing S days, in my experience here, I've seen a lot more try it and abandon it. Are your work hours on weekends such that you treat them truly ...

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A few almonds may be the step down to the beverage. I usually opted for non-chewing events, but I've seen others have success phasing out a snack. It's a bit of a crapshoot. But you don't have to guess right the first time!

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I think we can't usually know why we get cravings. Our minds like to ascribe reasons, but they are often wrong. Best thing about No S is that it doesn't matter! The remedy is pretty much the same. Do something pleasurable or productive until it's time to eat! Congrats on a green Friday after a tough...

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I ate dinner an hour early because of my knuckles...

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Marcon, you are so ahead of the game! How wonderful that you got inspired to go after the other S's.

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Linda, I think it might be because you secretly revel in living where by Punxatawney, PA standards, winter is over right now whether Phil sees his shadow or not! (BTW, they've determined his accuracy and it's worse than flipping a coin. But how we love lore.)

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Oh, and it's fine line between having great feelings that you are doing well and starting to think that the struggles are all over because you have a few good days or weeks. I don't like to be a wet blanket but like true love, there is no way to really know for quite awhile that it's the real thing....

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I gently say to get it together just today, our last day of the week. It may be very tempting to say, oh, it's a lost week, might as well give in to the freedom of the weekend early. Or other stuff. Believe me, the brain pattern from the fake hunger part of the brain could make just about anything o...

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Thank you, LInda! Don't know how I missed this. In fact, I'm posting something here now that has nothing to do with food because I saw comments on YOUR thread about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SsKbHXWxNeY

prolly old news to everyone here.

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I haven't found the grass roots thing I am willing to do yet, but I've been really rationing the exposure to the goings on because I don't feel I can afford the anxiety of all the decisions when there is so little to combat them right now besides getting involved with real live people who need some ...

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So true, Izzy. Moderate eating is one of THE best stress combatting strategies, though it does mean you'll experience some antsy feelings at times. I went through some of the worst stressful times in my life during my first years on No S. I did a lot of TV watching then. But I believe even crying is...

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Wow, only 1 red day AND tame S days? That's fantastic!

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If you are eating reasonable meals, there is no biological reason you will binge later just because you skip snacks. I was a binger, well, I realize now it was actually more compulsive overeating, but the cycle is very similar, and I think I was misled for years by the idea that any kind of restrict...

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See updated list on Feb. 20 below.

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Except for the small seconds, this is ALL still No S. S days were never meant to require ANY S's. That's what SOMETIMES means. Reinhard says eventually a person might have only one S a weekend or even less. And I see the seconds issue as just part of the weaning process. It's always been an option t...

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What fabulous luck! For No S and for the listeners.

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Fantastic! Hold out for your delicious, full, one-plate meals! You can adjust them later as needed. Try not to give yourself any reason to go red.

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No S cannot make any promises about weight loss, especially predictable weight loss. There is no guarantee that any two people will lose in the same way at all nor get to the same BMI. Bodies do adjust over time. We try not to get too into nutrition issues here but I'd say the adjustments to what's ...

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I think it's very interesting that it seems the holidays came and went without a lot of drama. They just fit in, as we would all like them to. No matter what happens next, four months of relief sounds like a pretty good deal. (Actually, I think there are some people who DO care what we eat and take ...

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It's been only a couple of months. Maybe it's good you got it out of your system...

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If Trump can bring families together, maybe he will have served a purpose!

I can tell you San Diego has never seen a group of that number unless it was a football game...

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What percentage of your weight is a stone? curious...

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Moving this here, so I can refer back to it... , No S doesn't say you can't eliminate any foods, just that it's not habit friendly. Maybe wheat will play a smaller role as time goes on, IF your husband actually goes through with it, gets past the honeymoon, and survives the first "fight." But stay ...

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I knew what I was supposed to do in middle age back then but it didn't sink in. The beliefs about my ability to say no and just eat moderately were just about nil. I also kept trying to do IE. If you "get it" now, glory be!

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Liz, I could have sworn I welcomed you back and said there was no need for shame! The hucksters and pressure are out there. Even traditional societies are being swayed to eat more manufactured food and more often. And they start experiencing all the problems we do when they do. You won't be sorry wh...

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tlingit, thank you for catching us all up. Maybe you know that your odds of relapse have gone down quite a bit with passing the two-year mark. I affirm that you will be able to continue to make the adjustments to meal-timing and your plates to support healing your conditions. In my book those kind o...

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You are too kind. There are so many great influences here.

Enjoy your weekend.

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How is it going? Not sure how old you are but another incentive is that it's what people eat during mid-life that has a big impact on mental clarity in their older years. Those who have averaged four or fewer desserts a week experience less dementia in their senior years. It's too bad that it seems ...

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No S is about habit, so if splitting your meal allows you to eat moderately consistently, so be it.

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That IS a victory, buns. Mine is that I went to a clothing swap event where most of the participants were much younger women. I could fit into lots of the clothes and brought home 7 items, including two pairs of jeans, one of them Calvin Klein. (The swap happens every month and next time I'll take a...

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OMgosh, Liz, your FIFTH baby? Of course we welcome you back and no forgiveness needed. Forgive yourself! Something that has helped me is knowing that sugar has been a common commodity for only about 300 years, which means that humans lived quite well, even rich ones, without intense sweet very often...

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Taking time for meals is another practice of slim cultures. If there's one thing that doesn't work in staying moderate, it's "grabbing" food.

Better late than never.

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OOps, Mariposa, I got mixed up and thought this was the 2017 team and added you to the group committed for a year. Is that okay? You can still use this as your main check in. BTW, there is nothing wrong with you that's not also wrong with any place where food is more and more available and there are...

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I don't think this is working because people keep coming on the general board and saying "I'm back!" rather than going to the sticky for it.

I still think the returners thread should be a sticky...

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Threewhales, No S doesn't say you can't eliminate any foods, just that it's not habit friendly. Maybe wheat will play a smaller role as time goes on, IF your husband actually goes through with it, gets past "the honeymoon," and survives the first "fight" with being wheat free. But stay on your own f...

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I feel ya! If you change your mind, habitcal alone is a nice in-between.

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I gently say to try not to judge yourself so harshly for having the diet mentality. It can just become another standard to hang over your head to expect it to be gone just like that. We're not really in charge of what thoughts arise in us. Just try to accept it as an old habit, and then do your best...

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High five.

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Here is the thread for "Team 2017." No obligation.

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopi ... f7688b8f6b

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I swear, I think we should have "dry" days, like they do regarding booze some places. Sweets on weekends and 15 holidays a year. Good for you for creating your own dry day.

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Oh, I see re:house, Did you say it was under water, so you'd take a loss if you sold? Still, I can see why you might want to get into something else you'd actually want to live in and be paying it off.

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Seems ironic because Monday was a holiday in the US; maybe you were subconsciously celebrating with us.

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If you're eating was okay, it WAS a great week. (The exercise is a separate issue.) Praise yourself lavishly for the good week! That way your brain knows what you want. If I may say so.

Hope you enjoyed your meals today!

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Nice.

oolala53 · update below on 1/20/17

update below on 1/20/17

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Jen, I've got some input on being a landlord, as I rent out the other side of my duplex and have two in Utah. but I'll write you separately. Pretty much agreeing with Linda. And Linda, your husband is probably right. Even if there is negative cash flow, you can regard it as a savings account, if the...

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It's been only a few weeks after the holiday. Are you hovering around the same overeating pattern? If your N days can ease toward more moderation and you S days the same, not necessarily both at the same time, then all is well. March is a better time to take stock, IMHO (though you didn't ask...) An...

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REad a guy recently who posits that it's not just the reward circuit but that the foods are so darn cheap and available. We don't power through other palatable foods that are really expensive or take a lot of preparation. He says people find prime rib pretty palatable, but they don't usually go over...

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Hope you made it to your S days, or if you didn't, that you got through without much drama.

I'm having a no S holiday, though I may virtual plate at an MLK celebration I'm going to later. What about you?

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That's how it typically works, but the fireworks examples get a lot of attention in publication.

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It can all ebb and flow. Sane N days are the foundation. It takes different people different amounts of time to "get comfortable." We're here for the long haul.

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If I had to make a choice, I'd rather end strong than start that way...

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Wasn't going to say more, but I bought in January of '05. The value of that house has gone up to about the high it was in 2006, but with interest, my down payment, and a deficit cash flow every month, I'm pretty sure selling two years ago put me in about the same place. If I had bought one year earl...

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All true.

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I gently recommend against the meal replacement. Have real food that you chew well and take your time eating. It's okay if some of it's calorific and fatty for now. One of my spiritual teachers in talking about the difficulties of a spiritual path said once not to wish for ease but to wish for stren...

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Consider telling your friend gently that you're pleased with your plan and will reconsider joining her on it six months from now, if you're not still pleased. Odds are she will have gone through the honeymoon and divorce by then.

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That was tricky. Only thing I think may have been an option was a nut milk or such in the afternoon and an early dinner. Or an extra hefty lunch? But past is past. Might you have access to a book by Pam Peeke? I seem to remember her recommending certain foods or combinations as replacements that sou...

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Hump day done.

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Close is good, too. You can phase it out. Different food, smaller amount, delayed time.

Or white knuckle a few nights. I don't promise it will be cake after that, but it's amazing what 3 consecutive days can feel like.

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Allison, so sorry. Honestly, I've been the one who wants to be gone at times. My mother never knew how deep it went. I seriously know what it's like to have thoughts and feelings that make that sound like that's the only way. It is not a light thing. It is not like bouts of discouragement. I can't s...

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That IS a feat, in my book.

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Good to play it by ear. Eventually, S's can be the exception, not the default on S days.

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Just to reinforce, remember how much better you probably felt about your whole eating experience when you were at it. I still have the list of reasons I thought systematic moderation was the way to go for me. Although I wasn't convinced I would lose weight, I did have a few reasons that had to do wi...

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Yeah, the plate is the upper limit, not the requirement. Being too full and too empty will happen. As time goes on, you'll manage either within the structure.

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So you got that first water drop out of the way. That will still fluctuate, but it would even if you were dieting with not much leeway to adjust things without misery. Not all problem drinkers have to be abstinent, at least not from the beginning. Contrary to popular belief, most do eventually drink...

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Maybe you want to join the 2017 Challenge on the general discussion forum? Though I don't know whether people will keep checking in often enough to be reminded they've committed to it. It's mostly newbies but a few veterans joined.

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I do not eat the same exact foods every day but my meals, esp lunch and dinner, tend to be built of the same building blocks every day. Breakfast is simpler so it may be very starchy one day or very unstarchy another or a combo. Or very small.

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Kudos to your whole family!

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I bought investment property in Prescott Valley. Lost dough. Won't go into the details. I think Prescott is one of the nicest cities in AZ. Historic charm, some influences that keep it from being overly rural, etc. I just saw a friend who moved there from San Diego several years ago. She owns a swee...

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