Everyday Systems

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Ours just have pizza and hot dogs, usually. Savory pies sound good.

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Week 2 of January coming at us!

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You will not be sorry to give up eating after dinner time, I don't think. You'll wonder why it was ever so important.

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You are too kind!

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This is a tough one. Even after all these years, there are some foods I have decided not to have on hand. I might have them in social situations as part of a meal. I have too many fond associations of eating a lot of them at a time, even though I don't "need" more of the taste. I WANT more of the ta...

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I wish I wanted to live in Utah. I own a little not-so-charming duplex in Cedar City and get newsletters on real estate to just watch the prices. Several cities in Utah are considered good places to own, but I"d like t think it would also be a place I'd eventually move to. I just don't know if I cou...

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Begin, I run a No S team on Sparkpeople. (It's small and I never understand why people there don't just come here, but I think Spark needs it, so I do it. ) There's way to post a quick message to the team without it starting a new thread. For awhile, I was posting quotes from the book. I could find ...

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As a pretty much recovered compulsive overeater/binger , I have to say I'm on the side of thinking that there is value in NOT getting so stressed out at the idea that you might binge. A binge on an S day is not a sign that you will always binge on an S day or that you are a terrible person. Unless y...

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I think a basic thing to do, which can be hard to do well, but is totally worth the effort, is to get very clear that this systematic moderation is your best bet to get something[s] that you really want, something that goes beyond just losing weight and looking better and possibly even beyond health...

oolala53 · see update on Team 2017 below. 1/16/2017

see update on Team 2017 below. 1/16/2017

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Crap. Just noticed something. I have more posts here than Reinhard does. And his are usually just a few lines. How can I be spending more time here than the founder?

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What garage has chicken and mushroom pie?

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Yeah, probably if I bought some furniture that didn't look like it belongs in a dorm room or first apartment, it might inspire me. (I still have a buffet I bought in 1985. I painted it gold 14 years ago in preparation for sponging another color over it. In the mean time, some of the veneer on the sl...

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FRIED avocado? Is it battered?

Where did you go skiing? (Too lazy to look back.)

I gently recommend skipping the scale until after a green week. Maybe that will be extra incentive to stay green... because you will miss the scale...

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Begin, I started at age 56. No S seemed like a great blend of the various proposed remedies for compulsive overeating without all the psychological stuff, which had not really helped. I can't imagine anything else would have been better, given my mindset and the odds against successful "dieting." I ...

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No joke. I went through some of my toughest years at work (and they are all tough for me) in my first years of No S. Gosh, life was unpleasant (mostly in my mind, but still), but I could depend on those meals to be a source of satisfaction and pleasure enough of the time that sticking to the plan wa...

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I haven't read all the posts, but as an ex-binger/compulsive overeater, I'd say not to worry about plate size at first. You're not out to lose weight to start, though you might. You're here to prove to yourself that you can eat regularly, and go without regularly in a decent rhythm. (Statistically, ...

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Hi, Khousely! Welcome back.

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It's actually not the lack of hunger. It's still wanting to eat anyway. If my desire would go away with my hunger, I think I wouldn't care! The eating has been paired with so many things, it's incredible. Good feelings, tough feelings, aromas, people, places, memories of people and places, seeing fo...

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The idea of having a No Regrets New Year on the decluttering front sounds even more outlandish than it did years ago about eating. It involves so much more doing! rather than just not doing, i.e., not eating. I have to start reminding myself to think about what life might be like not to have these d...

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I wouldn't say that... often it's what the Flylady calls CHAOS: Can't Have Anyone Over syndrome. It's occurring to me I should really start now to plan for a No Regrets New Year on the decluttering front. I know it sounds sad for that to be on my Bucket List, but it is. I've been all over the world....

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They're pretty small fails. I think my relative relapse period on that is over. I'd rather keep even the little experiences for S days, and even then not just because I can, but since they don't have me really careening on weekdays, I just have to let it be. I do think Reinhard is probably pretty st...

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Sounds like your mom is okay with small amounts. I actually WANT to eat even more often than when I was feeling true hunger more often, though I don't necessarily want big meals once I start eating. I've been annoyed by that for more than a year. I need to accept the situation...

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You don't sound too discouraged by the scale, which is good. You have no idea how much your weight may have been fluctuating. Sounds like your med situation could be affecting things; it's a trade off. I think I'd make that trade, too.

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Saw your post on Non-scale victories. Good stuff! A member of another site I participate on went through an official BED program in Holland. There, they were prescribed a rather rigid plan, but generous. The member questioned it immensely but later wrote a blog about how important it was that she fi...

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It's a little shocking how much I can preach No S and still fail so often! Two fails this week. But I think what's important is that No S still keeps me moderate in my eating, and it's the years of a high degree of compliance that I think made that possible. I do some non-canonical balancing that I ...

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I bet you CAN wait to break into them...

Glad you found a way to interrupt the stimulus-response circuit! Remember such successes and the good feeling that followed as often as possible. It lets your brain know what you want!

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Would you remind me how tall you are, Gill!

I still sometimes have to get over compensatory impulses to eat later when I have what I call snacky meals. But the more it happens, the more I see it's all just habit. But nice meals is a habit I like!

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It's funny how the French and Spaniards, who both eat late, don't seem to have a problem with this. But we don't live where the rest of the culture supports moderation, so eat earlier and thrive! I can't believe now how long I can go in the evenings without eating, no matter how late I stay up. And ...

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Sounds very close to my plan for the first few years. And most successful loser/maintainers don't eat out much. You're right on track.

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I love hunger pangs for about an hour or two! Just remind yourself that the body is made to go without food for a lot longer than we're used to, especially if we can sleep part of the time away! I find promising myself a big breakfast if I really want it can keep me from breaking the habit at night,...

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When I started, one of my goals was to feel hunger before every meal. I figured out how to purposely eat so that I would get hungry an hour or two before the next meal. That worked pretty well for a few years. I miss that feeling! Now I can go all day never feeling real hunger, but still very much d...

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Assume it's a reward for holding out when it's really really hard.

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So sorry. Remember that any food on a plate during a meal window of opportunity counts, and it's almost always possible to have one without sweets, even in hospitals. It may be the "center" that will actually help. But you'll get there.

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Mods "earned" by true testing, not from "premature optimization" are the ones that seem to stick best.

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And keep going no matter what the scale says. Delightfully short people like yourself often have to tweak tweak tweak plates AND S days. But so what? The time will pass anyway.

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Okay, No S Team 2017! See if it doesn't motivate you a little to think, I'm not going to be the first to drop out. As has been said, reds are not what makes a drop out. I've never been into the monthly challenges or anything like that (Spark has these challenges all the time, but they rarely target ...

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Updated team below

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I'm taking the liberty of adding your check-in thread to the 2017 year challenge thread.

BTW, I have a couple of suggestions for the after-dinner eating, if it's still bothering you.

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I have to say that I honestly could not face limiting my sweets on the weekends and S days were wild a LONG time. I never interpreted that to mean I was failing because five no-sweet days a week was like a miracle. I never would have lasted on one dessert a week, just like I wouldn't have lasted on ...

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Well handled wrench! (no WTH) I may be preaching reckless driving behavior, but if I get rushed, I find that I can eat more food (and slowly) in the morning in the car. I don't do it all the time, but only when rushed. I will take good hunk of cheese or a few spoons of nuts and an apple and/or bread...

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Habitcal does its magic.

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noni, I have had those phases, too. Merry, I don't have cabinet doors! in my 498 sq. ft place!

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Merry, there's nothing weird about not having S's on and S day. It's the way many S days work out after awhile. But they are still S days because S's are still an allowable option. But it's also true that some people always or nearly always have at least one S on an S day, though it may be small. Bo...

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Two extra yellow days is the official maximum.

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BTW, I'm not trying to get out of anything, but anyone can cut and paste the list adding or deleting themselves, I think. If I see a new one, I'll edit the old one out of the old post so it doesn't get too cumbersome. Or maybe the links won't transfer? Not sure. But so far so good.

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Updated list below.

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Just saw that you asked when your odds of regain would go to 50%. I have to wait for a woman on Spark to post because the stats are in her signature line. BTW, she lost 167 lbs. and has kept it off, with various phases of regain of about 20 lbs., for nearly 7 years. She is a total sports nut now and...

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No, I made my own with decaf, milk, cocoa and stevia. I used to keep the processed stuff at work, but not so much any more.

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Merry is added. If that's dorkiness, I love it. Amy, you can't do it every day until you actually live those days, and some may happen more easily than others. It's definitely doable. The more you can calmly and without harshness think there really is no good reason to give yourself the choice not t...

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There is no obligation to eat more wheat, bread, butter, or avocado. And carbs do take more water to process, so the body does carry more water when we eat them. It depends on other factors if it's a cause for concern. Just do your best for a few months to put some food on a plate and savor it! You ...

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Is the weight that does it or the overeating? Since most of the weight is likely water, is acid reflux related to water retention? Can water retention cause it? Hope your daughter is now fine on your ski trip. Ten hours of driving! I guess you can spell each other. Probably won't hear from you until...

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Yeah, experimenting with what goes on the plate will come in due time.

Are you marking habitcal, BTW? Not necessary. Just curious.

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Bust that neuropattern!

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I don't believe in the concept of sabotaging one's efforts, as if you are purposely wanting to fail. I'm surprised that Fung seems to contradict himself by claiming at one point that people end up eating less after being very hungry and then warning people not to binge, which means that some must do...

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Are you thinking that that tendency to keep eating has to go away on its own, just like you don't have to exert much effort to fast? Fung implies this is not true when he says on p. 264 "Don't binge. After you have fasted, pretend it never happened. Eat normally, as if you had never fasted." And his...

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There are no guarantees. Tough to hear, but true. But ELEVEN DAYS in is WAY too soon to know anything for sure!

There are better people to speak to this.

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Nay, I've had some physical changes and also made some purposeful changes that limited foods I used to eat a lot more often. I do miss them and the physical changes threw a wrench in the works for quite awhile. I think I'm getting back on an even keel, but am not ready to let go of participating her...

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Got your back.

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Jbell, I actually first started No S in fall of 2008, but it took until the end of 2009 to get serious. I was 56 years old and had been progressively disordered about my body image and eating for nearly 40 years. It doesn't matter how long it's been. It matters more that you really get that any diff...

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Remember that feeling!

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I'll work on adding links to check-in threads. They are not necessary, but a lot of people do have them because they will eventually often want to ruminate on other issues or record their food, etc. But if all you want is a place to check-in and possibly get some kudos or encouragement, this may be ...

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Updated list below.

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Like a nut, I'm looking at The Obesity Code by Jason Fung. I stumbled on his videos while researching IF last spring. It took until now to get his book at my library because there were so many holds on it. I felt I HAD to look at it since it's so precious! On video, he sometimes sounds absolutely un...

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Welcome, bizzy!

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Hope your Christmas was merry. We have a new thread specifically for those who realize they want to commit to a whole year. If you feel ready, please consider joining. In any case, warmest wishes.

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How did the 9 months go? We have a new thread dedicated to those who are willing to absolutely commit to the whole of 2017. Don't know if that sounds right to you or not, but I was browsing threads for another reason and stumbled on yours.

In either case, warmest wishes!

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Just didn't know if you would have a check-in thread you were willing to have linked on this thread. I couldn't find on for you on the check-in forum.

Or you can just use this thread or just ignore us all and do your own thing!

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I just got an email from Linda Spangle in which there was reference to a calendar that looked A LOT like habitcal, with green, yellow, and red stickers!

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Were others able to copy and paste kaali's calendar?

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If you haven't already, might want to read this last post again.

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It's been a year. Any chance you want to commit to a year in the 2017 Challenge? You don't have to decide today.

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Any chance you are going to start a check in thread in the forum for that? Or just use the 2017 Challenge thread?

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Found this from a year ago. Are you going to have a check in thread or just use the 2017 challenge?

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Any chance you want to join the 2017 year commitment challenge? There's at least one other person who also started in 2009 and realized it had been that long.

But don't do it if it will feel more like a burden than a support. Do it the way that works for you!

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Are those the ones where one of them told the story of putting her husband's shirt over a spot on the bed where there was petroleum jelly from changing the baby and the back of her husband's shirt had stuff stuck all over it from that, but she let him wear it out anyway?

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You're in my radar now!

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Don't try to make the S day behavior that important to start. The hardest part is balancing between having food because you can, and what will really feel special. Sometimes, it's absolutely worth me eating while standing at the fridge, for example, but most times not. You can't know that ahead of t...

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Following you now.

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Update below.

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Awesome!

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The fact that you didn't gain is impressive, since it's so common for people, even more so the already-overweight/obese, to gain weight as time goes on. Halting that is progress!

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I think everyone should have to read this thread before they start and definitely before they modify or leave!

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Decaf mocha was a mainstay either in the afternoon or after dinner for me for a few years! I've had it this holiday, too.

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In the book at one point, Reinhard says eventually S days will look very much like N days with probably only one exception per weekend. Even after seven years, I'm not there! But I always assume it's because I'm single and have little routine on weekends in general, never mind with meals.

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What are Hula Hoops? I think we are cursed with so many options. I marvel that there are people like Reinhard who just fell into the rhythm of No S and seem so impervious to either negative food influences or self-criticism about transgressions. Could he actually be so rational about it that he thin...

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Not that you asked, and you don't have to tell us but possibly review your list of original motivations- or make one now, if you never did. If you feel you're giving up too much of something you value and not getting something else you also value with No S or any eating plan, there's always going to...

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The macronutrient ratios tend to be routine except for breakfast, which can go anywhere from nearly all carb to low carb, but is usually my smallest volume meal of the day. I tend to like Indian and Middle Eastern food, so I use commercial sauces or spices to flavor the meal components and have thos...

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You'll see a ton of what people here eat if you browse individual check-in threads and find people who record their meals, as there are quite a few of them. Then you will get updates when they post until you decide to quit following them. Also check out this thread https://everydaysystems.com/bb/vie...

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Wow, that's big. Even Reinhard isn't against apps, if they make something onerous easy. But it's the "principality" of the thang! The slim of the world do not count calories! They practice habits of moderation! I will do just about anything to be one of them! Even my suffering will be moderate, dang...

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I believe tight clothes is how the slim cultures judge that their overeating has gotten out of hand. Sure 'tis better if it doesn't get that far, but if it's from just a few days, in my experience, it's water. There's no way a calorie deficit explains the drops I have after a few days of moderation....

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Due respect to all, remember not to be too taken with examples who have not maintained for two or more years. The world abounds with people who in the beginning stages of this or that program lost and say they will never go back to their old habits who eventually did go back and gain all their weigh...

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Acid reflux trumps No S. Do what you need for it, but as you said, it doesn't need to be junk.

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i never ate at night because I was hungry. I just wanted to eat! But eating a substantial dinner proved to me that I really didn't need food. If this is still an issue, consider letting yourself off the hook for a week or two. Plan for something small and of course not a former binge food. You can e...

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This may be way too much, as I'm not known for brevity, but I'm going ahead. I have dealt with anxiety for years. I am not fantastic at it but I rarely eat over it anymore. I gently say you must become willing to test out whether those feelings/sensations are "too" intense. Too intense for what? Wha...

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