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Oh, yeah, the dishes!

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I'm feeling a bit miffed (first world problem) because I used to have a routine for planning my meals that just used what I'll call building blocks. I've been looking at options for reasons other than weight loss, but the alternatives are not nearly so clear. The one I'm most inspired by is the Blue...

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Good Lord, all I did was make a plain batch each of red cargo rice and whole dried peas, and I feel like I'm cooked out!

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Sanity with food! And if that means a little less dense food on the plate, and sometimes even fewer eating events on weekends because the meals are richer, so be it. Or even better, hardly noticing. Now, THAT'S my dream, but that's a lot harder than Vanilla. BTW, remind me what percentage of your or...

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I think it would have been a success no matter WHAT you did on your first S days.

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Same as always: 2 NWS days. One of mine will be dessert day next week at work. Not sure about the other yet. Or I'll have some failures! But some people regard travel as vacation and are more lenient. I find that I don't feel cheated by sticking to the structure. I can still have most foods. I can f...

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The irony is that the meals I eat now are very similar to what I used on WW, but I think S days without imposed calorie limits, including many wild ones, are what makes them even more desirable. (And S days are quite similar at times.) And I've counted calories only periodically only out of curiosity.

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Bottom line: less than a year of using the plan with at least 80% compliance is too little time to tell anything about it. The appetite adjusts differently in different people. Be willing eventually to experiment with different plate sizes and meal content, using your best informed judgment and bala...

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TX! Guess what, I feel slightly empty on a Sunday night. Yay again! I split an absolutely scrumptious flourless chocolate cake piece with ice cream and a mocha drizzle today with an old friend. Boy, did I want more! I even fantasized for a bit of going somewhere to buy something stupid after my frie...

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And whose version of "best" would that be? Because in some cultures, you are too skinny to look your best. and why is their admiration so important? Don't you love my supportive questions? :evil: Forcing yourself to try to be happy with less food to earn your own or others' admiration for your appea...

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Did you cut-and-paste this to the Testimonial thread?

Happy Anniversary. Have you EVER made it year on any plan to reduce eating before? You would be an exception...

Four more to lower your odds of relapse to 25%. See why people love me at cocktail parties?

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I started December green and have had pretty good S days. I'm SLIGHTLY empty feeling now before bed and I like it. I'm feeling inspired to eat simply, what I call Blue Zoning it, when I'm on my own. This way, when I do have social chances come to have more holiday food, I will value them more. And I...

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Merry, I like that visual of Christmas greenery.

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There is a sizable faction of slim women in this country who hate their bodies and fear food. They MIGHT live to a ripe old age, but we don't know. I would rather be heavier, enjoy food in moderation, and possibly die earlier than live like that. But that's a personal call. And since I'm already 63,...

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Because the research shows that in over 150 years of "diets," the success rate has never changed. The same 3-10% is successful even though thousands of diet books have been published. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/25/why-diets-dont-work-long-term-cause-weight-gain_n_1452875.html http://newsr...

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As I said, I've had many root canals done and this I can say: unless you now have an infection, any discomfort and pain you may experience is WAY less than you would have eventually if you let the situation continue. Inuits committed suicide over tooth pain after whites from the lower 40 brought sug...

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Well, this is interesting. I've been feeling some hunger lately. I can't tell why, but it's been interesting because I've wanted it back but it's taking some getting used to again! And I still get plenty of the antsy gotta-eat-even without hunger feeling. I had dinner early tonight because I just co...

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I think it's actually cruel that we have these expectations but I blame it on the diet industry that for years has blithely told everyone "you can expect 1-2 pound-a-week loss" doing this or that. Where do they get this data? From a calculator? Well, she's eating this deficit so she should get that ...

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I actually still can't imagine having candy sitting out, but mazel tov! But I'm still a bit amazed that I can walk by candy aisles or stand in line at the register with all the candy sitting there that I used to choose from liberally and have very little thought to buy any of it. You know those supe...

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Too many moving parts...

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I wish my body reacted better to Brussels sprouts. I do find them a bit bitter, but would be welcome for variety of taste and texture. But they do a number on my digestion that I decided not to tolerate, even with experimentation. But it's fun to see the recipes. I don't do a lot of cooking from scr...

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I run a team on Sparkpeople devoted to No S. On Spark, there are always these challenges, esp. for weight loss or maintenance. I never know what to propose on the team, except streaks. Just do the program! I think it would be terrible to have a competition for weight loss on No S as you never know h...

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update below, such as it is

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Welcome [back], Izzy. I guess a fair number of people just have to go through the early"mod" phase to see that there is a lot of wisdom in the basic program, even if they ease into it or take a few tries. Hope to see you in the general discussion or on your own thread.

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HI, KCCC! So glad to hear it's mostly smooth sailing.

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Awesome! And even more impressive that you did it on your own.

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Brian Wansink says slim people "watch" what they eat. It's only exceptions that never think about food or never monitor it all. If you think about it, when you think, oh, that has a lot of calories, you're probably also recognizing that it would make you too full or ruin your appetite, etc. Slim peo...

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Brian Wansink has done tons of research on this and the verdict is have as little of what you really don't want to eat around as possible. Store the items you want to eat less of inconveniently. Have the lighter foods on display- fruit on the counter, lighter foods visible in the fridge, heavier foo...

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Feeling back in the groove. Grace.

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Get overfull for awhile. You are not on a diet. You are on a program to help correct appetite and move you toward moderation. Hunger can be delightful but if it's not, it can be counterproductive. but just that anxious feeling to eat is probably best ignored or tolerated. If it's hard to sleep, it d...

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Belated welcome. Compulsive overeating was my issue, though I call it bingeing. Can't say it never happens but I know that the frequency and size are minor in comparison to how I was living for a couple of decades before Dec. 2009. I wish there was a way to hypnotize people so that they didn't pay a...

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Buns, your relatives are exceptions worldwide. But I have one of those, too. He's what's helped me at times say no to food offers, though he'll often accept the food and then basically let it sit. I posted this earlier on another check in thread. Here’s an excerpt from a book review (Fatland) just a...

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Just to say: Here’s an excerpt from a book review just after an explanation of how serving sizes in America got so big. Now, you might think people would stop eating and drinking these gargantuan portions as soon as they felt full, but it turns out hunger doesn't work that way. Citing studies in the...

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Late to the party, but I find that I'm not willing to implement even the best strategies unless I'm clear that I think there are happy benefits to eating at discrete times. Please remind yourself what you will get from not eating that you can't get from those night snacks. And let's not forget that ...

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I know what no cigar means... you were doing so well on that 7,000 mile vacation you took back in 2010. What stalwart drivers you were! Not sure the meat loaf would have been such a bad idea, but I guess it's the "principality" of the thing. Not getting whipped around by food. I had to talk myself o...

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I think Vanilla is never mentioned in the book, but it's as Bluebell said.

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That guided me for years. I can't count on it now, though it did happen today. It's a good stipulation for getting ready for holidays.

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Good going! I'm not sure it's worth battling the salt and butter. If it's only at holidays, it seems worth it, unless a person just doesn't enjoy the food! Come to think of it I finished off a few servings of items I thought were almost too salty. When will I just leave it? Don't know. I noticed som...

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Thank you, Bluebell. I probably won't get tested much very soon, either, so there is time for re-establishing some streaks. And finish November green.

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I'm feeling a bit iffy today, like if I can't start getting more compliant, I am going to have regret at New Year's. Despite feeling bloated (and then finding that a pair of jeans that didn't fit tight just a couple of weeks ago now do), I still snicky-snacked today on peanut butter I bought on a wh...

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There is talk on the web of plate size growing over the years, but I have my parents' china and the plates are as big as my modern ones. I don't remember if they seemed bigger than our daily fare. I have some 9" plates I use for lunches sometimes but boy, do they seem small. Anything less than that ...

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How lovely to hear from you and congrats on both your "losses."

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P.S. what was the summer reading topic?

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I know I've seen you post on other threads since 2010. How wonderful of you to visit! We're a staunch little group out of the millions attempting changes. I trust your attempts are close to the mark. Good for hubby!

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Brocky, looking forward to reading your thread. The more you are sure the old options are out for you, the more you'll be able to surrender to No S. I've been quoted or paraphrased as saying, as one who was a disordered eater for 38 years, No S can be hard; it just turns out that everything else is ...

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40 years was about my time span, too. Okay, 38, but close enough. Not perfect, but still oh-so-much better than I was in Dec. of 2009!

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Ease yourself off the beverages, if it sounds like torture to stop them. I felt that way about S days for months and months. There aren't many of those people who can just eat and never think about it. And they probably have other things they torture themselves with. The narrative self's job is to f...

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I should have emphasized, too, that limiting yourself to meals, even big ones with rather hefty beverages, is still a big coup! Just keep going and keep filling up on life in between, even if it's just the little things.

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Can't help you there, but No S came after a period in which I quit trying to do anything to change my eating. It wasn't as positive as yours, but I just recognized that I wasn't willing to do much so why keep bugging myself about it? But I saw that I didn't want to live like that forever. No S allow...

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Sweet.

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I don't count often but I know that I would be uncomfortably full on any day I ate 2100 calories. I just don't have those days much anymore. A cup of juice would represent many more pieces of fruit than you would eat at a time. Where we got the idea that we should drink liquids with calories with ou...

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Just about to complete your first "serious" month. Here's to many more.

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How will you deal with the holidays without having established yourself with IE? Are you really going to be willing to forgo eating at events just because you are not hungry? Are you going to be willing to stop eating at what will probably be a rather small amount of food, if you are even hungry eno...

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Were those whole birds? turkey and duck?

Congrats on the new piano. It would be so nice to know at least a few tunes to back up some signing, no? And for the kids, too.

Maybe you'll inspire me to set up the hammered dulcimer I bought nearly two years ago at an estate sale...

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Congrats on your N Friday! and the rest.

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Hope you made it, though it isn't a catastrophe if you didn't.

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Why do you assume you won't be on again and off again on IE?

You did realize that versions A and B I was talking about was you, right?

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Congrats on getting any reflections written!

I should probably keep my mouth shut because I've had only one week of green days this entire month!

Onwards.

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A sweet is when the entire food item is obviously sweet. If you can put some sugar in your coffee, which is permitted, you can smear some jam on your bread. It does take some honesty, just as filling your plate does. I'm sure you're fine. EXPECTING consistent loss is an almost automatic set up for d...

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I do not understand why you aren't returning if it's the best diet you've had. You have tried IE before. Has it ever netted as good of results as No S? I didn't get over wild S days for TWO YEARS! So what? I was still eating better consistently 20 days a month than I had been for the previous four d...

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DEb, when you're officially sick, it's acceptable to designate the days as NWS days, not failures. Not to be used as an excuse but seeing the situation rationally. No S as is CAN support healing but it's not required.

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I'm not sure Geneen is controlling her eating as much as she probably saw over time that she was hungry a couple of times a day and inklings or urges more often were fake. I don't know if she has set times and amounts, but I'd bet there is relative routine. Even naturally skinny people have patterns...

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In six months? A year? What percentage loss did that represent? Obesity doctors are often ecstatic if patients maintain a 5% loss. Why torture yourself over expecting more if you really believe that making bigger efforts will only backfire? Can you say the way you'r living now is better?

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So far, every variation of IF I've done has led to overeating later, and not just the small amount touted in the literature. I'm still recovering from some experimentation this year, though I am using a short modified fast a few times a year for health reasons. But if it's for spiritual purposes, th...

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I just read of someone on the No S section who aspires to a program called something33: a total of 33 pieces of clothing in the entire wardrobe! That can't mean undies, can it?

So glad I don't need to be that intense.

I'm away for TXgiving so no decluttering. Good excuse, huh?

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Not descending into WTH is also a win.

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I applaud you for wanting to give it a year without "premature optimization"! So many err on the other side and live to regret it. On the one hand, we have plenty of hot weather in the States, too, and it hasn't seemed to be an issue. The only time I feel really bloated and full from drinking water ...

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I have to wonder what the weather and lifestyle would be of someone who could manage with 33 items of clothing. Envious!

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Sounds like the perfect 4th S= sick days. Not an excuse to overdo it. It takes only small amount of food to qualify for taking meds with food. You can do it!

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Been officially failing every day, but not panicking. Am I kidding myself using the "vacation" excuse? (I actually usually do Vanilla on regular vacations, but they aren't usually filled with food, either.) I just haven't been able to convince myself that resisting is worth the pain, and I don't fee...

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It can vary. Sometimes being sick of being so full on S days makes N days a relief.

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Enjoy the celebration tomorrow, I hope pain free.

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Let me tell you a secret about Geneen Roth. She basically eats two meals a day, but you won't find that published anywhere. I overheard her say it at a two-day workshop I went to. I was there with several hundred women, most of them in the low obese range. I don't mean to denigrate her, but I left w...

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Have you read Jack Trimpey? Except for his diatribes against AA, I found his work very supportive, though I needed the structure of No S to pull it off.

I like what Kathyn Hansen used instead of FeastBeast: neurological junk.

Enjoy the feast tomorrow.

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"It's also a gift of God to be able to enjoy the fruits of our work, and food itself is a gift from God. It's fine to enjoy it too."

In moderation and SOMETIMES more for celebration. That's why we're here on this site, right?

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My hat is off to you re:baking sweets. There is some hole in my life that makes that hard enough to do without caving, and I accept that, though I can wish it was different. But not enough to wrestle it to the ground! Believe me, I tested it out plenty. There are so many other things I thought i cou...

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No worries! You don't owe me an explanation. However you work it through is going to be right for you. I just affirm peace for you soon.

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Hi, Quayette! Calorie talk over. :P I wonder if my previous week's regime led to some feelings of rebelliousness this week. It hasn't helped that I'm exposed to about 5x the food (at the retreat buffets) I would normally be. The last two days, I've been thinking, damn it, I want to eat more than wou...

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Sorry, friscobob, but the plate issue can very much apply, as it's been shown that people do tend to eat less overall on smaller plates, if they are willing to use them. I lean more towards what you are suggesting, though, as I'd rather have a bigger plate (at least for dinner) with a fair volume of...

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Try not to think about why it's difficult. Concentrate on the unpleasantness overeating creates and what the benefits, the pleasures, moderate eating will bring. Those two are going to take you farther eventually.

Have some delicious meals today and every day!

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I'll do a check in here today until others voice their preferences. My first buffet supper. There are always TOO MANY choices of foods. It's almost impossible not to take a lot of food if I try even 2/3 of what's offered, even if I take small amounts, and I don't like looking at a couple of mouthful...

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Welcome! It's a journey and we have all kinds of experiences: strong starts and smooth sailing, strong starts and later fumbles, weak starts, etc. None of them completely foretell who will be around in a year, but we do still have people posting years into it, having adjusted along the way, and they...

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What do people think is the best way to work as a group on this? Should we just dial in to each other's individual threads and be diligent in keeping up there with reporting or reflecting, depending on how detailed we want to be? (I have to admit, I'm not very good about posting on my own thread. I'...

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I've seen other data that shows that people's gain over the years is attributable to holiday weight they never quite take off. Even MORE incentive to arrive at New Year's without regret... And another place (am I obsessed, or what? and no, I don't remember where it was) that had a calculator that sh...

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update below

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I'm starting by not letting myself nibble this afternoon. The next challenge will be eating lightly enough at a buffet tonight that I don't feel too full later. That will be key to arriving at New Year's with no regret this year. I know I always feel so much better after such events when I eat less ...

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Did yu get it, noni? Some things have disappeared from my mailbox, though I could have sworn I sent them.

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I've read that and Mindless Eating. I don't think his ideas could have done for me what Reinhard's have, but I find them bolstering, and certainly more evidence-based than traditional failure-prone diet books.

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Relief! and the good kind.

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I feel for ya. I have some ideas but I'm leaving on a trip and can't put it all together now. I also don't want to be unnecessarily complicated, but it does seem you (and I and others) need more than just the basics. I may be missing this by not having read everything, but have you ever consistently...

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You might want to post this question on this thread. I think Reinhard always read it, though not on weekends. Only people who read your thread will see it here on yours.

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewforum.php?f=7

That would be a good feature. Pages get pretty long!

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It's been a couple of years Did you find something else?

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You were shocked that pizza tasted great? or were you kidding. I always want more pizza at the time I'm having it, but am always glad later I didn't have it. I feel too full but so thirsty that I keep drinking and feel really bloated. But it never stops tasting good. (On several lists, it's one of t...

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I would bet it's the people who say they're going to cut back who end up subconsciously rebelling against future deprivation so they stock up.

We can find explanations for anything, right? But the bottom line is fast between meals!

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Did you see my post with a link to Wansink research about holiday weight gain? In the U. S, and Finland? See, people don't even have to have a Thanksgiving for it to happen! I bet when you look back, it wasn't just that you gained but that you were FEELING heavy from having gotten used to overeating...

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I call the afternoon time the "witching hours," even though it's broad daylight. It was and is my toughest time. (It's a lot of people's.) Mine is totally mental, or so I think. It's always after I finish with students and before i come home, a danger time when I can go buy something extra, but also...

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Miss ya. Is it something we'd be interested in? Or maybe you want privacy...

Not sure when the holiday "eating" season starts in France, but warmest wishes for a delicious moderate one!

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I don't mean to take away from the monthly challenges, but I'd like to provide a huddle space specifically for navigating the holidays, esp. in light of the link I posted previously. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160928154110.html UPDATE: I'm adding a related link. This one shows tha...

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