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We're a little late for the recommended resolution, according to Wansink, but maybe this will increase resolve this season. Start this week! Or maybe you've been doing it all year? https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/09/160928154110.html And here's a review, as I think this has been posted be...

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Kathleen, just fast between three one-plate meals on weekdays for six months. That can be your offering to God. If you are tested, so be it. It won't be every hour of every day.

And you can have Thanksgiving off. (Christmas Eve and Christmas Day are already on weekends)

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I'll send it to you separately. Really, it is so diety, I don't want to post it on the big board. Too easy to attract recovering diet heads! What I liked about No S discussion when I came here was the lack of that kind of talk, though I've probably been guilty of it at times.

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So smart not to get derailed by these small things. I'm sure your habits are already so much better. Those Costco samples will be so much fun on S days. Eventually, on N days, you might be looking at the other samplers and thinking, "Didn't they just eat lunch?" or "Why are they ruining their appeti...

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Calorie talk alert! (I usually avoid calorie discussions. Triggers me! But, it's part of the protocol. Ignore this post if it triggers you. ) Tomorrow is the last day on this regime. It's definitely not torture but I felt like I was chomping at the bit some today. The macronutrient ratio has to be r...

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I don't think it's really derailing it because it's an important issue.

I realized that being in a hurry before had never helped the process go any faster. It didn't matter what happened in a few weeks. It mattered what happened in a year or more! An advantage of being old: perspective.

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I gently suggest you write down the advantages of the No S approach over others. Get very clear why it's your best option. Make a list and read it OFTEN. You can't read it too much! Reasons plus crowing about success and downplaying failure = strong habit. Crow about habit, not weight loss, IMHO. De...

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Modbod, one of my colleagues has always been thin, and she has had type 2 diabetes for years. She eats rather well, but frankly, I'm surprised sometimes how she pushes the envelope. I think it might be because she's not overweight and sometimes goes into denial.

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Your reaction to having a little is ABSOLUTELY NORMAL. Researchers call it the what the hell WTH syndrome, literally. It made no sense but was/is the norm, not the exception, in food restriction. And getting past it is what nearly every long term successful loser says was the turning point for them....

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I'm so glad I can be of help to others. I wish my high school students thought I was making a positive contribution. .. The internet really feeds into that desire for speed. Some successful losers do actually have epiphanies that lead to big changes that they they implement immediately and never loo...

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Want to clarify:

Things went so well for a couple of years solid! And mostly well for another couple of years. So this was NOT my main problem when I started.

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This might not give you peace of mind, but it was pivotal for me to see this as a long-term strategy to start. I've been here 7 years and it took me 2 years to find a reasonable mod for wild S days. Most give up way before that, but we have returnees who regret that. If it doesn't happen naturally, ...

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Medical conditions trump No S, if needed!

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Some people have eased into the habit. The important thing would be to declare and be consistent. You could give yourself a period of time to use the strategy. If it's getting you what you want, just keep going.

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A new day tomorrow.

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I say to regard this as an omen.

If you want help for ideas about how to handle WW if they call back, ask.

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Thanks, Linda. This appetite thing has been the source of most of my problems, IMO. It definitely has interfered with my satisfaction with the lifestyle. It's been the reason I've been willing to try some pretty intense mods. It's amazing and annoying to me that I can still want food even though I'm...

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Sinnie, I haven't read all your posts, so I don't know if you've done this, but I gently suggest that you write down what you don't like about feeling at the effect of food and what you think the benefits of your No S plan will be. That list might change over time. I threw in a few catch phrase alon...

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For habit's sake, I think something drunk (sipped is preferable) is better than something eaten between meals. There's just something about chewing that sets things off, in my experience. It's very tempting to try to micromanage and figure it all out in the beginning, but adjusting goes on for quite...

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It does! And I bet reading them often will make some of the ideas pop into your head at the right times more and more, even when you don't have access to them.

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The urges for random food continue despite little true hunger. There is an inkling of amusement at them now rather than pure resentment. It's nice to feel again that less can feel good, too, even though true hunger and satiety play a smaller role.

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Kudos.

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Exactly! It IS an inside job. The meal habit just makes it easier, as most slim societies learned.

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Looks like those who make it to older ages may just not be as susceptible. There is an 83-old teacher on campus who has young skin but by his body shape, he should be dead! But on and on he goes.

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Belated welcome! Glad you're enjoying your meals.

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Hi! I'm glad you're not overly worried about S days for now. I feel very strongly that eating a lot on S days is not a sign of any kind of failure, at least not for several months, if not longer. (Health conditions excepted.) That contrast was what finally helped me make different choices on S days ...

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Welcome, YT! Out of curiosity, how many non-weekend yellow days do you have this month, including Thanksgiving? I think your plan of having only the cake for the NWS birthdays is perfect. It's what an S day is meant to be. Having a piece of cake doesn't mean it needs to be a free-for-all the rest of...

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I see the allure of diets. I had my food all planned for yesterday (actually, the daily allotment is planned for the whole week, although I have discretion how to distribute it) I had so many inklings to deviate yesterday for just the simplest little things. Believing that my food plan would give me...

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May I ask: Are you reviewing your lists from Sept. 8 daily, or even more often for awhile?

Enjoy every bite!

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Didn't read all your posts either, but want to say about refusing dessert (this might not apply at this point): thin people often refuse dessert no problem. Or they take the dessert and don't even eat it. They don't seem to care what anyone thinks, although they probably succumb to pressure once in ...

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There is no doubt that sweets can work on the brain very similarly to addictive substances. The question becomes what is necessary to combat that. Some people may really need to eliminate them, some may decide to eliminate them over time, and some may find a way to override the attraction enough to ...

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Sounds like you see where you could tweak things. That should be good news!

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It seems that we get better at treating diabetes even if we aren't better at preventing it. I wish they had a chart showing the health care costs over time. http://www.worldlifeexpectancy.com/usa-diabetes-history I love this site, BTW. Oh, wait, maybe this explains it. They get it younger but just h...

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Use a yellow sticker, the same as for S days. Two a month are "allowed." It forces being quite discerning around Christmas, but loading plates is still "allowed" also. You can enjoy a lot of the extra savory foods any day. The more moderate we are the rest of the time, the more it makes sense to tak...

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Your husband is a doctor AND he helped you cook for 250 people? And you did it, too? 250 people? I wish I could make those numbers bigger. Hey, if you think you haven't done enough, try never having married or had children, or learned a musical instrument even though you say you love (or used to lov...

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Ha, I forgot about the logging food on S days. I was thinking of it again, but not yet! I want to take seriously the observation I've often made that I'm never sorry I didn't fail no matter how hard it was at the time. Seems obvious, but gets murky. I almost always have to grapple with feeling sorry...

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I too loved how you said it would take three days tops to give up. Not to discourage you, but this is just the beginning. You'll likely go through a lot of cycles and observations while adjusting over the next year or so. People can be more or less reflective. I think those who have tried and failed...

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Sundays can be tough.

One more full week to "practice" before Thanksgiving...

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Hope it worked.

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Exactly. They do it IN SPITE of the tendency to go back to previous habits. They keep their eyes on the reasons they want to beat the odds, not why the odds are so strong against them. You must start believing you can be one of them, no matter what. What reasons do you have to change your habits? Is...

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Nice meal ending. Sounds very Euro.

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How do you think people who do manage to eat less permanently get around diet backlash? I can guarantee you that the majority of them have intense times when they want to go back to overeating. They cannot wait until they never feel the desire to overeat. People who claim it got easy or their appeti...

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Don't want to hijack this thread but will write to you separately. Hang in there!

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The only way I ever got to the bodyfat you are starting with is by a semi-starvation diet and knee-crunching exercise for six months about 25 years ago. I went on to gain 50+ lbs, though I lost five of that before starting No S. I'm well above 20% with nearly 7 years of No S and not willing to do to...

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Soup bowl goes on my plate, too. I usually use different-sized bowls according to the type of soup. I do this for other amorphous stuff, too, such as yogurt. Fruit touching my other food is not an issue for me.

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It was reading research similar to Wolf's report that helped me get serious with No S. I saw that it wasn't just emotions. But I also knew that complete abstinence permanently was unlikely and likely unnecessary, though it might be beneficial. A couple I know from my out-of-town Indian philosophy cl...

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For those who would benefit, I respectfully suggest that the goal of weight loss (know the reasons why you want to lose weight) the author mentions be amended to the goal of moderation, which can be met before, during, after and without weight loss. Having values for eating and habits really take th...

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Once again, copying and pasting didn't work for me. I'll have to go back to last month and fiddle with it later.

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I will preface this by saying I tried to make sweets okay in daily life for 30+years, having been exposed to the IE strategy way back in the late 70's. It did "work" for a few brief bouts, but it usually eventually led to serious relapses. I ended up 40 lbs. heavier by the time I committed to No S a...

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Sometimes I feel a little bitter that we often feel we have to be away from normal society to live in moderation. Why can't our society live more naturally with moderation, dang it? What would it be like to live where there wasn't so much pressure outside our little zones to overdo it? But then, it'...

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DAmn, having a tough time. That afternoon time- yecch. I've held out against candy and sweets but it's a struggle. The urges stay pretty strong; can't come up with diversions that stick, so far.

Trying to keep it in perspective. I'm not on a diet!

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Serve bigger portions of the dense foods for awhile? If you hate throwing food out, resolve to save even small amounts and put them in an omelette? Or soup?

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Because people don't see diets as a way to change their eating permanently... until they realize that's what they really need to do, no matter what the situation, so they'd better choose to eat so that it can fit in to most situations. Or, if they are really in trouble healthwise, they'd better make...

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I was having a conversation yesterday with some people who are into health and stuff; wheat grass juice, etc. One woman was all enthused about how her husband had lost 70 lbs. on Isagenix and was telling another person about the whole program, etc. I asked how long ago he had done the program: two y...

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I consider using No S like being married, though failing at the rules isn't like sleeping with someone else! Going on a specific diet with prescribed meals or limits, THAT would be abandoning No S. Just like married people go through times when they are perturbed with their mate, when they probably ...

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I did actually post this there, but I think there are folks here who would be interested who don't keep up with UR.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... story.html

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I knew Diana Nyad was a powerhouse but seriously, swimming to Cuba? At age 60? What a show off.

If she ever has a TV or radio program/podcast, she should interview Reinhard.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/new ... story.html

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How is this going?

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Long may your No S flag wave.

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Sonya, can you help me again with a November calendar?

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Actually, S days are any day any S of any size is allowed, so technically, those who have a small sweet every day have S days every day, not no S days. They just don't have no holds barred S days, and those were never meant to be permanent. There is always the option of having mods to any days, as l...

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Humans have exercised the equivalent of a lot more than an hour of exercise a day without a lot of snacking for generations. In fact, some people believe with our mostly sedentary workstyles, we could easily get by on two meals a day, so three plus some tough workouts is plenty. Besides, don't you w...

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Notice that failing for awhile can actually lead to resolve, though even Reinhard admits that there is no such thing as before and after, only before and during. We are all only at during, whether doing vanilla or mods.

But keep trying even if it's only one s at a time.

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Who woulda thunk it.

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Notice that failing for awhile can actually lead to resolve, though even Reinhard admits that there is no such thing as before and after, only before and during. We are all only at during, whether doing vanilla or mods.

But keep trying even if it's only one s at a time.

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I have often used the term "sane" eating to describe No S-type eating. Just for the heck of it, I googled that and found there is a program called SANE that to me is anything but. It's basically paleo. I guess those people in the Blue Zones, eating bread, beans, rice, corn meal, etc., living into th...

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TX, kaali!

Just wanted to add that there are still times when I have to just get through the next few hours until that next meal, and this is after several years, though there have been some stretches that it was pretty automatic during.

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I'm sorry to not accept the company line about 21 days. You are actually changing a lot more habits by eating three meals a day, so 21 days is a minimum. The experience of millions of dieters shows that they can stick to new habits of eating less for weeks and even months and still lose their habits...

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Well, I was so convinced of the value of No S that I didn't have any fails for the first three months. But I had a change in routine temporarily and then started careening. It took quite awhile to get back on track. I just kept reminding myself of how well the program would counter my compulsive eat...

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I've read that a pregnant woman's body needs no more than an extra 300 calories a day during the last trimester. The whole idea of eating for "two" is a big myth. Even if women didn't eat extra, most women in our culture have enough "reserves" to easily get the extra from without any harm to the bab...

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Between Halloween and Thanksgiving is a nice time for a Vanilla streak. Or from now.

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I posted my fail on my calendar but am declaring it here, too. Boy, did it feel like it would be worth it at the time. I'm not terribly sorry, but do want these last three days of this week to be green, esp, after opening this thread and seeing Sonya's calendar so green and yellow!

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Lilbec, expecting S days to be sane too soon can lead to a lot of misery. It is not a failure to go overboard on S days, even for quite awhile, i.e., it doesn't mean it's not working. That is a big misunderstanding. If a person has been overeating continually, then 20 days a month of sane eating is ...

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Sounds pretty darn...sane. Kudos!

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Welcome home, Alsuzegirl. You have plenty of incentive to really make it work this time. You can always change the content of meals as you go it warranted.

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Belated welcome home.

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Welcome, Travis. May this be the start of many years of satisfying eating and greater vitality.

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Remember that sitting down mid-morning for a cup of coffee or tea (or beverage of choice) is a very civilized and adult way of having a "snack."

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Cheers! Nothing like being able to cross a temptation off our lists. Especially one we see a lot. Brian Wansink showed that the average person will eat even stale popcorn, and a lot of it, if they're served a lot of it. So don't feel bad about not pushing the food away. (That's what I tell myself wh...

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I don't remember ever seeing anything addressing this conflict. It's a controversy, meaning you can find experts with conflicting opinions (e. g., that abstinence is the only effective strategy). Same with "reformed" eaters. It's true that if you truly want never to hassle with any sense of having t...

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Think about that nice breakfast you'll have instead of dessert!

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BTW, about90% of dieters go way overboard when they slip. Some of them never get over it because they interpret it as meaning they are a complete failure, it's not use trying, etc. Something successful loser/maintainers finally realize is that they CAN wean themselves off that habit. Their slips go ...

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Make blood sugar KING. If you have to change your diet quite significantly to do it, do it. NO FOOD is worth the effect of elevated sugar on the whole system- the brain and the risk of stroke especially would motivate me. I'm not prediabetic but I've cut starchy carbs a fair amount and there is stil...

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I feel ya regarding your schedule. I have to admit that having a job with a set lunch time has helped me. And forgoing having evening activities disrupt a good dinner time more than a couple of nights a week... But I don't want to discourage you! It's still possible, and worth repeated efforts. I do...

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I recommend also having some reasons you want to limit your eating besides weight loss. There will be times the scale doesn't change at all and you might be tempted to say, wth, but not feeling at the effect of the night snacking habit is a rewarding benefit in itself. Also, at tough moments, think ...

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Only 10 days left in October, Challenge Team! Still time left for some impressive streaks.

Green Fridays, no matter how hard, make Saturday morning feel great.

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mylizzie, I went through something similar recently. It feels terrible when you're in it. Do your best to get through at least one meal gap without eating each day. Then work up the time between eating. It doesn't have to be all at once.

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Hi, Lady!

It's not that I worry about not being hungry. It's that I don't like it! And I still feel like eating a lot of the time. It often feels like...being on a diet. Ugh.

But you've found your groove. Hurray!

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I think traditional societies actually eat only one major meal a day. The others can be very small affairs. The traditional French have only cafe au lait and something bread-y, but a small portion, for breakfast.

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I always find it's what I'm telling myself that makes it allowable to break a rule. It's almost never authentic hunger. I'll think, oh, just a bit more would taste so good, or I'll make up for it next meal, or some other bogus excuse. Then I have to remind myself: what's more important, sticking to ...

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It's the people in my real life who see only too clearly what a mental case I am. I think I hide it relatively well online.

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Tough one, Linda. Unfortunately, even when followed later by cruddy feelings, eating more at any one time can feel pretty good right then. It's so easy! I hope the line between enough and too much gets brighter and more comfortable to comply with for you soon, especially when you pay such an annoyin...

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Thanks, friends. Wish there was an icon for hugs.

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I feel torn about compliments that have to do with weight loss and thinness. In one way, I'm flattered, but I also have such resentment about how strongly women especially are pressured to be slim and even to bond over the effort when there is so much more to be concerned with. But I'll report one. ...

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rather interesting

technically should be on Urban Ranger, but

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