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Miss you, Sonya and Misha! Bluebell, you're off to a great start.

Everyone else, kudos and tx for being here.

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I gently suggest you print the lists and keep copies around or put a copy on your computer desktop. I read mine daily for several months. I'm going to go read it now!

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WHAT a day! good going.

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I've awakened at 2 or 3 the last few nights. Once I corrected papers, but other nights, I've tried to do some meditation techniques. It's the best I can do. But I guess I could also find that paper with the number for a sleep "course" by Kaiser... I guess I don't have a lot of faith that I'll learn ...

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Your mod sounds very habit-friendly and relaxed. Fits the zeitgeist of No S, if not the canonical rules, not that that matters.

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You forget because eating is also reinforcing, even if just temporarily! I've had two good days in a row, too. First time in a long time, I think. It doesn't feel as good as it used to, but I'm still glad, and i'm going to revel in the better feelings as often as I remember. I might try to revel in ...

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You are not alone about being all or nothing about eating. Researchers have found it to be typical of dieters; the what the hell effect. Just knowing about it can help reduce its effects- over time.

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Noni, do you have a check-in thread? You don't need one, but I looked and couldn't see it, if there is one.

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So you allow for seconds and sweets at the two meals? My food life is rather erratic these days, though I still feel basically "married" to No S. We're just having a rocky time. I think it will take until sometime into the new year to have a long term pattern for the future emerge. I see some form o...

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My duty as I see it.

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Planning the treat was Rawcookie, (and in the book.) I'm not opposed; just hasn't been a strategy that changed anything for me on S days. Ironic, because it has worked on N days (planning something extra scrumptious at a meal.) I know it's tempting to feel that S days have to get worked out in a few...

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Being convinced this is your best bet goes a long way. Your health conditions are certainly great justification for moderation and for habits that support reversing them, or at least not making them worse. It's definitely doable! Hang tough!

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I admit I have not kept up with your whole thread, but was intrigued about your having kept track of the day number. Just for the heck of it, I went back to the first page and browsed a bit. I found an entry that said you binged on one of the first S days, I think, and that meant it didn't go well. ...

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Ouch! but I guess when you're in "pain," the reflux, there's a lot you can do that you wouldn't do otherwise.

Keep up the GREAT work!

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I am coming up on seven years. I recommend having as many other reasons to eat moderately besides weight loss as possible. Although there are "weigh-ers," over the years, I have seen many, many people leave because they couldn't take the slow weight loss. There is a thread devoted to people who left...

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Welcome home. Not sure where you'll get without the cycling, but it's a sane way to live, yes? And a good habit to have in place when children are old enough to notice.

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Thanks. Hoo, boy. I didn't use it. Would it have made the difference?

I gotta say, I admit that I'm tired of the whole thing these days. Perhaps if I get some real rest, I'll feel different. But I'm not actually upset about it, either.

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I envy your walking habit.

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Hope you bought at a good time to for a rise in equity to offset a high mortgage. Out of curiosity, how far have your commutes been for the last few jobs? It's making me curious what kind of jobs would be available in the same distance vicinity I live in. (But not what I do now. The adjacent 'hoods ...

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I didn't read into the text from that first day. I was going by days when I first saw weights, which was a few months later. In any case, it's still pretty stable, though you do say you were lighter in 2004.

Onwards.

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Osoniye, I don't know why this worked, but it did. Thank you! :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: 8) 8) :oops: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :oops: :oops: 8) 8) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 8) 8) :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: 8) 8) :mrgreen: :oops: :mrgreen...

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Tried copying a whole post, but it didn't work. The formatting icons above this box have never worked for me, either.

Oh, well.

10/3 Monday red
10/4 Tuesday green

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And cherry tomatoes today but a handful of pretzels another day and the whole bag a few days later. Oh, wait, this is your thread, not mine!

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One thing that's amazing is that in the 8 years that you've been on this site, through all the experiments and honestly, much failure to adhere to much for any length of time, you've gained only about ten pounds, which I would bet is actually better than the average for your age and weight.

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Well, it's been nearly a month and lots has gone on. A lot of it very uncomfortable and frustrating. I have felt at times just as caught and disgusted as the old days, and almost cried over the idea that it was all back. I don't think I've had a reoccurrence of the epiphany I felt I had before I sta...

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Other people! Other people could be such an asset if they would just do it our way... I think slightly lighter lunches will help. Take it from someone who rarely gets hungry for three meals anymore no matter how little she eats (it's not a blessing in my book), it's worth some juggling to make it ha...

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Well, trying to copy and paste other calendar's didn't work. Gotta solve that one later.

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I deleted my failed attempt to copy a calendar, so references below are to that.

Could people occasionally bump the thread up? That way, those who might be forgetting to come and record each day get a reminder email. (Hint" it's for me.)

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Hope the unusual week was for good reasons. No S can help keep the deviations moderate.

Here's to a green first week of October.

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Wish I'd remembered to bump this up last week, but here it is!

Ah, I remember 43. Enjoy the HECK out of it.

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Oh, my. Yes, that is why I now avoid almost all talk about nutrients and such, unless I have the right audience. If I walk the talk, and someone asks, that's different. But criticizing eating habits and body commenting has become a national past time, and unfortunately IMO, a source of bonding for w...

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That's a good way to think of it. And No S doesn't need special weather or more time!

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To put a plug in for here, and maybe I'm just biased, but here there are threads that can make it easier to look back on certain topics. Facebook is just a running tab. But the Facebook group is pretty lively. I didn't set out to lose but had in the back of my mind that I might go back to the weight...

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Just get through as many gaps between meals without stress eating as possible. Even a few times a week can start a trend. I've been taking a course based on DBT offered by Kaiser. It seems it is finally wearing down some of my most ingrained stressful thinking patterns, which are the source of most ...

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Man, I have such a hard time cutting out anything, but I so rarely feel any real difference (very quickly, anyway) when I do, either. But I also don't have very definitive problems. Lucky me? I dunno; I could stand to curtail some habits. My sister did have good luck with the surgery. She had lost s...

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A lovely kind of prayer, exercise. And a lovely tribute to it.

Did you read Reinhard's Urban Ranger poem?

Could a new site be brewing?

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TX, whoseonfirst. Though I wouldn't want anyone asking me what my time was, since it took me hours longer than it takes the winners of full marathons, even without counting the time to drive to the different trails.

But I didn't train for it hours a week for months and years of my life, either.

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Laurence Morehouse, who was the fitness consultant for the space program way back when, advocated being on your feet for at least three hours a day, which could include playing a sport. (Apropos of the times, he talked about golf and tennis for men, but women getting their exercise taking care of a ...

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Reinhard, do you have any idea how lucky you are to get more than one job that is close enough to your work to walk? Or maybe that's typical for jobs in the East. I work 13 miles from home and have a big rollabout I need on a lot of days, or I've considered parking farther from work, though I someti...

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I"m still very sporadic with Shovelglove (or my version of vigor) and Urban Ranger, but I give both some credit for the fact that the day before my 63rd birthday, I was able to put in nearly 14 miles on trails, some of them rather steep, in Sequoia National Park last Sunday. It's likely having lost ...

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I"m still very sporadic with Shovelglove (or my version of vigor) and Urban Ranger, if that's okay to talk about here, but I give both some credit for the fact that the day before my 63rd birthday, I was able to put in nearly 14 miles on trails, some of them rather steep, in Sequoia National Park la...

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I think it's cute that your daughter had no idea you had muscles. I guess you don't invite her to punch you in the stomach often or to arm wrestle. Not that you need any more abuse, I'm sure.

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Thanks for the links. I have some moves I do (intermittently) cobbled from various workouts. Sometimes I'll put a video on and still do my own thing, but the video will keep me moving. And I sometimes find new moves I add in, or even videos I follow. But I'm not very consistent. I guess I believe I ...

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I wrote a rather long response (surprise!) and have saved it, but decided it might sound like a little too much of a kick in the bum, as your signature line says you need.

The only thing I'll ask is, have you actually done Vanilla for several months and you feel you need something more?

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Welcome! Realize that it may take some of the same will to keep to the habits as it did to stick to a diet when old urges crop up, but at least you have great meals to look back on and forward to! That saved me SO many times.

(I recommend staying away from the scale for several weeks at least.)

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Didn't really mean it to be a kick up the bum! Just a way to think about it differently, from someone who used stress (mostly just anxiety) for decades as a justification for eating. We're not alone in it; it's a pretty accepted cultural habit, as are all the S's. I still use it (sometimes it's a re...

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I'll second that, about it being the same for you this week.

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It really does seem that weight and cravings can follow the events that prompt them much later than it seems they should. But we are talking about small differences now, no? I posted agreement on Spark about how having relative control over our eating surely does seem to help. I felt at times that w...

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Very interesting observations. I'm impressed that you didn't jump to all kinds of solutions as the situations could be a little tricky. I believe they will emerge, some naturally, some purposely. I hope it helps for me to say that the kind of "dieting" that you are doing is EXACTLY what dieting shou...

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Hope you're having a better week. If it's any consolation, I'm kind of experiencing a hangover from overages the last few days. Nothing to do but wait until the next appropriate meal. (and give kudos for maintaining and for the REST of our lives)

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Maybe it's kinda scale related, but I was able to hike on Sunday for nearly 14 miles, according to my iPhone tracker. I still don't exercise regularly, but I"m pretty sure I wouldn't have been able to do this if I hadn't cut my overeating substantially these past years. (I will be writing about this...

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I ask truly out of curiosity (though with a little bias it's useless to deny): will it be the weight loss that makes the difference or the change in eating habits that reduces the symptoms? People who are trying to get rid of painful conditions often make changes that end up causing weight loss, too...

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If I may ask, what bodyweight video do you do? Does it vary? tx

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I was in Sequoia National Park on Sunday. HIgh enough that the temps were in the 70's. Boy, does that make a difference in wanting to walk! I've been pretty much sitting since I returned to SoCal and this heat. The good news is that we are not heading into summer but into fall! I bet you'll feel a r...

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It sure is interesting how food can take such a back seat when other compelling things come to the fore, such as in your story about the shelving. (But I can get tired of thinking I have to keep coming up with more diversions. None have appeared as consistent habits. But don't want to bogart.) Here'...

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Can't speak to the meds issues, but have lost all my weight since menopause.

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People here hate the idea of calories or limiting food types, but it really seems that shorter, older people may have to modify the plan a fair amount to lose weight. You'd be surprised how little short, older women in long lived cultures eat if they're thin. But not all of them stay thin, yet their...

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Turning 50 or not, weighing 5 lbs. more or less or not, feeling like food and the environment is in control does not breed contentment. Isn't it just the roller coaster of feeling sated and feeling stuffed that's at the heart of things? What if you did both and maintained a thin weight? Do you think...

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Obese people who have lost 5-10% of their weight and are active have pretty good health prospects, as I understand. BMI on its own is just one measure. At the same time, if you know you are stress eating, I can imagine you would like to see what life and your body are like without it. Was that the o...

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BED (or a milder version) was what brought me to No S. I've had some other problems that I think have led me to stumble with my habits in the last several months, but this is still the foundation while I figure things out, even if I fail on some days. And I've pretty much kept off most of the weight...

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And concentrating on what how you feel now as you implement the rules so you have that as a touchstone. Also consciously remembering how it felt after a season of overeating and how much you want to be prepared to avoid that.

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Belated welcome! Hope to see you on the discussion board or on your own check-in thread.

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So, you're not conscious of getting a bit fuller or of thinking, oh, this won't hurt. I certainly don't mean are you calorie counting! It's just that the times I've fluctuated upwards, I was very aware I was eating more or failing. The scale or pants were just confirmations. No surprise!

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Gaining only 2 kg when stressed is not bad. Half-hearted No S can keep gains half-hearted!

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Back atchya.

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My health plan offers a sleep clinic which they claim has good results. I'm going to call to sign up after my two-week break coming up. I hope I'll have good news to report. I'm afraid it might end up that I just need to follow some advice similar to the simple recommendations of No S- which took de...

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I haven't slept 8 hours for over 20 years. I don't know why, either, though when I'm on break, I do get a bit more. But I'm willing to sleep more any day; the body doesn't cooperate. It irks me so much when all these health articles these days say to get more sleep.

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It's your 10-year anniversary! Hope you're doing well.

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Sanity.

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All the non-sweet holiday food tastes just as good when you enjoy it at a meal (on N days)!

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Thank you, moderate N days!

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I had a pair of jeans in my give-away pile and pulled them out on a whim. They are the size I pretty much wear now. I thought, oh, were these in there by mistake? But when I tried them on, they bagged in the wrong places. I don't HAVE to wear form-fitting clothes all the time, but I know I could fin...

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OMGOsh, a No S power couple!

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How did Friday go? Did you declare it a NWS day?

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Mind??!! I'm humbled!

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No S is so supportive of not having to have perfect plates. On Spark, there used to be a few people who would say they didn't have time to prep meals and such. I kept saying they were making it too hard on themselves! It's also amazing what can happen after several months of putting what works that ...

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Thumbs up.

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This is especially for those who have never lived through a No S holiday season. My count may be off by a day or two, but we have about 85 days (53 N days) to solidify the meal structure habit before the holiday season takes off on Thanksgiving. . It is so worth it to go through the holiday season e...

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The author of the book "French Kids Eat Everything" told of how she asked her sister-in-law what would happen if her picky eater children (who pretty much held out for crappy food in North America) didn't like the food on the (sumptuous) menu at the French school they were going to attend. SIL repli...

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I know a lot of people don't like the idea that health might be taken into account when planning meals, but it may help to remember that traditional societies didn't have to contend with the barrage of junk food we have to compete with their quality and variety of food choices. Even they are losing ...

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The trick is to act determined when you don't feel determined. It's when you are most tempted that you will get the most benefit from not giving in.

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Hey, how are you? Have you found a breakfast that lasts you? Or some kind of beverage to tide you over? Or have you jumped ship and found an alternative? (No one talks about that but it happens successfully sometimes.) NoSnacker is now very happily (more than a year) a Trim Healthy Mama, but she adm...

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HUGE success! You have already beat so many odds by losing and by keeping it off for as long as you have. May I ask what would be so bad about considering 180-ish your goal weight? It seems pretty easy to maintain. Or are you aware of continuing to unnecessarily overeat? Because if you aren't overea...

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there is an advantage for me being close to the end of my teaching career. Last year, I got rid of a TON of stuff. Teachers nowadays want materials they can access on the internet. One woman at our school was supposed to be a resource person, with time allotted for that. I offered to give her origin...

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And you reinforced some great habits to get there! A nice combo. Kudos.

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Thank you, Noni. I feel very lucky to have such a warm community here.

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You have my approval to attend occasional lifting workshops.

You sure do get around! I love the Grand Canyon. Did you just walk down for about a third of the time and then turn around? I've been, but I can't remember if there are trails that allow something else.

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I'm flattered! Nice to see you, BrightAngel.

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I've written a lot about it. I'll just say that hunger is almost gone, but desire isn't. It feels like I am holding back, as if I"m on a diet, almost all the time. I'm not often at peace when I eat and when I don't. I'm actually tired of trying to figure it out. I've been doing systematic mods for a...

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It is for the individuals in slim cultures, too, though they probably wouldn't see it that way.

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I can't remember who I asked, but glad to have any answer. Yeah, I'm moving toward less food, but it's not a happy change. I'd rather have my appetite back.

But enjoy your protein and the rest of what's on your plate!

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No different from when I didn't have this "problem." I don't think protein or whole food can take away hunger for 8, 12, 20 hours. And I wasn't hungry today after a hunk of sweets at a potluck yesterday. But thanks for thinking of me. The most annoying part is that the whole issue gets as much atten...

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Some eating experiences are definitely worth water weight.

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Excellent! Don't be afraid to read them more than once a day to start.

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It is perfectly possible to enjoy the foods of Labor Day with no S's. You'll probably really like it after the last three days. A relief! And only five days until S's again.

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Eleven years? That must be a record. There it is, right in your little box, that 2005 was your starting year. I'm bowing over here. There are good reasons to jettison certain foods from our lives, IMHO. Weight loss is not one of them. Diabetes definitely IS! Seems like it is just one less thing to h...

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Reinhard, forgive me if need be for saying this, but I think it is so cute that you can go home for lunch and you still eat oatmeal- cooked up nattier. Yes, yes, I'm sure that's not the only thing you eat, but it's still cute. You have to admit you have a pretty unusual situation and have for quite ...

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I'm sorry you're having thoughts of having made mistakes. I believe this is when the human capacity for imagination works against us. Thinking the past actually could have been any different than it was some spiritual teachers say is an illusion. Corny as it sounds, we really always do the absolute ...

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