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oolala53

So delicious to read your post. And I love the "they're just dried fruit and nuts anyway." so they are!

and I esp. love that you are exercising for the vitality of it!

Such nice changes. Long may they live.

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Did it turn out you still wanted ice cream?

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How has your summer been?

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You've got a Silver from me, if that means anything.

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How are you faring? Managing to stay out of the competitive fray?

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Thanks, all! So blessed here. I chose to eat low today. It's one of the experiments. I said I wasn't going to talk much about them, but want to record. I had chicken soup- homemade broth from a LOT of bones, chicken, and vegetables. That was at lunch time, with only slight hunger. Nothing but tea si...

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I didn't wear a bikini at my highest, but I refused to let it be a reason not to sunbathe or go swimming at the beach- in a one-piece.

There are much better reasons to stick to No S than wearing a bikini because it's possible right now!

oolala53

After seeing the post about the 600-lb, guy who lost, I couldn't help but post this. It's a bit tricky to get to, but here it is. I guess the story was that this man told his doctor he was going to fast with or without the doctor's help, so the doctor agreed. The research team waited until he had ke...

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Lordy. What a marvel the body is that he could still walk weighing 600 lbs.

Wonder what he spends on food now compared to then?

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First, I recommend you post to this thread: https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10878 Weight loss is not the only reason to try to bring some order to eating. IMHO, it's not the best one at all. In fact, it's very low on the totem pole. Losing weight alone has rarely led anyone to eat bet...

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Thumbs up.

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No need to apologize. It's very human to get all gung ho and convinced when we're not in the middle of our lethargy. The future sounds so exciting when we imagine we're actually going to get to it! Then those moments come when we're supposed to perform. Ugh. I can't believe how strong the feeling of...

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Let's keep up with each other! I spontaneously dealt with a kitchen problem, not actually decluttering, this morning. It turned out not to be what I thought was the problem, and it was a relief. A neighbor offered to help me move some free mulch to my yard today. Now I feel I have to declutter my ya...

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You're right. Your friend cannot be copied by the average person. These people are not "normal." I know there is faction in the weight loss world that thinks they can be emulated. I humbly disagree. These people are the exceptions! If you look at stats in the rest of the world, it's very normal to o...

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Yes! It's the framework- or similar- of most slim cultures. It allows all kinds of individuals to moderate their eating. When it's the cultural model, it's not even painful- for most.

oolala53

I humbly suggest you stop having weight goals and have habit-of-feeling goals. How does the eating that has you gain feel? What is dissatisfying about the eating that gets you to a lower weight that you end up abandoning it? It's less about the weight than the experience of doing each of these. Whic...

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I saw a comment by a thin person once saying that she was more likely to eat rich foods when she went out. Her friends marveled at her burgers and fries and such, but she didn't really eat like that all the time. It wasn't to try to stay thin. She was just as likely to have a very light lunch or din...

oolala53

If less than a tablespoon once or twice a day is all you're having of sweets, you're probably fine, especially if it gives you incentive to be really firm about no snacks or seconds.

You can always reassess in a few months.

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If hot chocolate with marshmallows is all the reading and snacking done, it's probably not a problem.

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Worth a try.

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No matter what Marie Kondo says, yes, decluttering can happen in stages or at a slow pace, if the testimonials on Flylady can be believed.

Maybe I should actually start reading the daily blurb I get from her.

oolala53

May I ask why you're asking? Are you tempted to oust sweets?

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That's what breaking a habit feels like: weird. It often doesn't feel good to limit food! Remember why you've decided to moderate your eating with meals. Are you getting anything in exchange for the sacrifice? Can you get what you want down the line if you keep the reading/eating habit? (Reasoning a...

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Did she eat the whole thing? Any chance she'd be willing to split a meal in the future?

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Navigating that weekly routine can't be avoided, I guess. Cutting a larger slice in two sounds like a good experiment. Too bad you couldn't make a 1-day habitcal just for that. You'd deserve lots of credit!

oolala53

I salute you for walking after the day of heat! Try to remember how much you hate stress eating and the feelings that come later when you feel those urges. It's so worth it to hold out. Consider crying before hand, if the tension seems to build up Try not to dwell on disturbing thoughts but let the ...

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May I suggest that for awhile you eat pizza out of the house and bring home NO leftovers? Just until you have some positive experiences. Your habit/ addiction will likely put up a fuss. That's probably a sign that it's a good idea. On lists of most addictive foods, pizza is just about always on them...

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I humbly urge you to write down a list of all the miseries you've experienced with your chaotic eating. Then also write what you believe will be the benefits and wisdom of more ordered eating. Read them both at calm moments EVERY DAY for three months. I'm serious. That was pivotal for me. I still ha...

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I wonder what it would be like to overeat and not feel one bit bad about it? Much as I imagine rural women may have felt 150 years ago. I've come to the conclusion that I have to regard myself as having a mild chronic illness. I can't expect to follow NO S feeling the same sense of ease and pleasure...

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Belated thanks, noni.

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Welcome home. Oh, how the expectation to weigh a certain amount and look a certain way can mess with us. You are so much more than all of that! Enjoy your meals and get at the other stuff.

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Those are fantastic results! Some people lose nothing in the same amount of time. I like your modest year-end goal. Kudos.

oolala53

You know, I can't remember feeling "big" when I was heavier unless I also overate.There were even times I was fitter than I am now. But I knew I was "caught" by food, and that bothered me enough to make changes. Despite any difficulties we perceive, and they are real, there are cultures in which wom...

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I've read Herring's book and seen him on videos. It's an interesting idea but it might take more than three weeks to adjust. I've been on another forum for longer than my 6.5 years here and I've seen so many people lose heart because they expect things to get easy in 21 days. Also, I really wonder i...

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Yes! Regular, decent meals!

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Please remember that if you did not overeat by multiples of 3500 calories, you did not gain all fat. I did a fast (for other reasons) awhile back. I was about 8 lbs. down after it, but there was no way in the number of days I was on it that I had burned 28,000 calories. In less than a week of daily ...

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Aren't you "seeing" results? Just not scale results? But I've come to accept that no number of successes on any program is proof that it will work as is for every individual who tries it. It's going to need to be individualized and for some it might end up looking very different than the original. B...

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Thanks, Buns :wink: and Merry. Been thinking about the scale. These are not new thoughts, nor original ones, but come from readings in the anti-diet world of 35 years ago, but still ring true. What a shame. I don't know about anyone else, but for me that connection to the number on the scale is so i...

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Thanks for reporting on Spark! I love cameo appearances. Sorry to hear the scale is rattling you, though I'm not surprised in our shared culture. I marvel only when I talk with women- their number is small- who rarely think about their weight, or ones who have gained a little and aren't the least bi...

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"It's my safe place I can go to when things feel too overwhelming." Ah, you've seen it, too.

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Thank you, Merry! I've actually been avoiding my thread as I'm in a phase in which I'm experimenting with some pretty non-canonical tactics. I feel a little sad about it because I was so happy for so long on No S and I still believe it's the best first line of defense for at least 80% of people out ...

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I just read today that a study showed that dieters who achieved more weight loss in the first six months showed better adherence to a program in a year (I think) than those who achieved less. However, it didn't show that the adherence lasted beyond the 2-year mark, which is a minimum for maintenance...

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First, I want to say I am selfishly glad that you're still posting here. I was worried about how to follow you directly on Spark. I have to gently say that thinking you might be too constrained by a part time job and contemplating starting your own business sound a little paradoxical... :) But a bus...

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Thanks for permission! I completely understand wanting to prioritize your posting.

oolala53

I have to admit that although I wouldn't call it diet head, I feel too caught up in this stuff, but I just can't seem to find anything else as compelling. I said at the beginning that I was willing NOT to lose weight, but I don't know what it would have been like if I hadn't at all. I was always mor...

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I don't know how I didn't know you were posting here so often. Things are moving along trippingly! It's so sweet to hear your delight and harrumphs. Would you mind if I sometimes post a summary of your experience on the Spark No S team? (I may have asked this before. I plead senioritis.) I know you'...

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Oh, good! Must be a bit of a relief.

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I just want to say that I am so glad to read that people went to other measures that not only don't have to do with the scale, but don't have to do with size or appearance, either. Those can end up just being different versions of the same thing. I think No S's value goes WAY beyond that!

oolala53

Women breastfed successfully without eating any sweets for most of history, so concentrating on limiting them to S days is a great start. (If you are so inclined to be affected by such information, keeping sweets down could pay off greatly in later decades keeping your mentally clarity intact, so yo...

oolala53

Well, it can't be promoted that way, but I'm not surprised. However, I'd say the nutritionist might have made different recommendations if the patient's readings had been different, so I wouldn't recommend people go too far with self-treating. They might need more restriction on types of foods or fr...

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Just like a thin person might! That's how it's done.

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Fresca now? What did you drink before? Or is it because it's summer?

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A fair trade?

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Vive real meals.

oolala53

Oh, yeah! Before I started, I had determined that the options weren't going to work, so it was either get a grip or feel cruddy most of the time overeating for my last decades on this planet. Nearly 40 years of escalating overeating had me convinced it wasn't going to change on its own. I.E., rememb...

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In the soup or not, I would probably have some starch, non-lettuce veggies, fat, optional protein. The basics of my lunches and dinners are rather similar. Soup just means there's more water involved! BTW, Barbara Rolls, a researcher on satiety, said that soup made eaters feel more satiety at that m...

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Congratulate yourself on staying the course even without an obvious pant size change! So many would have quit without some kind of "proof that it's working." Man, the world LOVES that measure of "success!" But without enough pleasure in the means getting there, it's not going to "work" in the long r...

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No doubt about it, we can be negatively influenced by others! Just think about what it might have been like before No S. It takes a lot of practice and it doesn't feel fun at the time to hold out, especially when it's so darn easy to have a little more. It's not as if we have to drive to the store l...

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A cupcake and a few cookies sounds quite moderate. Well done!

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Do you feel some clarity on this?

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RE: the plate of mashed potatoes. Got it. Keep up the good work!

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No need to "use it all up" fast. (I always marvel that Reinhard was able to do it for the first few years without a site like his to support him!)

oolala53

That's a lot to have been through. But what would life be without it all?

The more established you are in Vanilla, the more the exceptional times stay just that.

Here's to finding your rhythm.

oolala53

Hmm, it looks like the only difference is that you are having sweets more often. Still eating three times a day... Just sounds like your eating window is smaller. But it sounds like it feels different, and that's something you wanted.

See you on Spark!

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Would love to see some of those plate pics!

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Ah got it.

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Let's hope your sane, moderate habits generalize to him, and not the other way around! I wouldn't let on that I was going it as part of a "diet," though. To paraphrase Frost, something there is that doesn't love a diet. Never forget that what you are doing has sustained whole cultures very effective...

oolala53

Got caught in the crest of an urge wave, huh? It happens! It can seem impossible to let the craving build and ride it out, but it's very powerful. Not fun but sure builds resistance muscle. But it also sounds like it was a pretty tame fail and no WTH effect. That's gold! Enjoy your S day whether you...

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Liked what you said about "goofing around in the park, no food required." We can so often do without! Well, you've found out that this is not a linear process! New habits rarely are. It's the trend that is important and it's way too soon to have enough data for a trend. No matter. The time is going ...

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For various reasons, not all of them laudable, I experimented this week with a LCHF plan, one that required eating only 17 carbs or less a day. I don't think I made it most days because I liberally chewed sugarless gum, which turns out to have 2 carbs a stick. So I don't know if the plan would have ...

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Hope it's okay that I tell you I think you shouldn't worry about triggering other people on your own thread. If they don't like your tack, they can just stop following you! But it's up to you. I guess you're free to write your thoughts in a Word doc, too. You may decide to cut-and-paste them here wh...

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I can't see your pic that well on my little screen but from what I can see, I don't know where those 20 lbs. would come from! I envy you having something compelling to take your mind off all this. Thinking about really trying to pin down someone to do work I need on my house and what actually to do ...

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Yeah, that's why I said I wasn't endorsing his methods for run-of-the-mill overeating. I might try them if I was in bad trouble! But just not snacking and limiting sweets/seconds are the boon I believe most of us need. It's a bonus for me that I now think I'm also avoiding unnecessary insulin, too. ...

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I just meant I might have missed some kind of link or indication that there was a transcript. I sometimes don't see the most obvious things!

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Not obsessing about eating is the real gift. But the two pounds is nice, too

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Our pleasure.

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I think the last post is fishy. Too general for true mods?

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I flubbed posting this correctly before. I may have even seen Fung's work mentioned here a long time ago. He's much more drastic than No S, but he is treating diabetes, not just overweight.

https://intensivedietarymanagement.com/ ... sity-xiii/

oolala53

They were certainly what sustained me for years. Well, grain and sugar. I call all flour foods "particle" foods. I consider them to be partially digested. I'm experimenting with eating very little of them, even the unsweetened kind. What I find disturbing these days, after coming out of the worst of...

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Even after the exhilaration of modified Atkins, sounds like the call of cookies and sweets overrode it. Dang it, some things DO taste as good as being thin feels! Curse those conscienceless food manufacturers. You probably know the research shows most low carbers end up on modified carbs a couple of...

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Thanks, everyone! Kept thinking I would sit down and really take time to catch up, which I still might do, but not now... Just reporting that I lost 4 lbs. overnight! I'm ecstatic! I'm kidding. About being ecstatic. I am SO aware that it is just a fluctuation of water. Or maybe I really DID burn 14,...

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Very moderate. Reduction is a time-honored way of easing into new habits. But there's nothing to say you can't find your own place to "rest."

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What's the difference between the air fryer and a convection oven? Can they both generate high heat?

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Saw this too late most likely to influence things, but I would also have suggested to try to get involved in something a little more compelling than usual leading up to dinner, if possible.

I'd also suggest real food rather than a protein bar, if you feel you must eat.

oolala53

Excellent tactic. If all you need for your treat is a root beer float, you are way ahead of the game.

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I guess it just depends. I was a binger, and continued with wild S days for quite awhile. I lost about 10lbs. in a couple of months, I think, had another perfect month after that, and have never had quite the consistency in practice or weight loss since then. But I stuck with it, eventually ate even...

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Glad just the basics are working. It's a delightful way to live.

Not having read all your years of reports, I apologize if you've covered this but have you altered at all over the years what you put on your plate or is it truly just less of the same? Fewer refined carbs or more veggies perhaps?

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I'm always curious about whether people are actually (maybe secretly?) aware that they are eating more and the weight gain is no surprise but maybe a confirmation. Or did you really feel you were eating about the same and the body turns out to need less at this point? I know my hunger levels have ch...

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I credit some of my Zen sitting with helping me learn to tolerate desire to eat without doing. it.

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I left for a retreat a little after your comment on my thread and didn't even know it was there until now. Thank you! I know there is SO much emphasis on goals, but they can SO often backfire, if habit is what we really want. I've done that same thing with dance, do lots of working out before a danc...

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Diets have led us to believe that we are supposed to be able to adopt different eating quite quickly. We gotta get this down! Things have to CHANGE! :shock: Some people rather easily get into the whole groove quite quickly. Most take longer. You're only a couple of weeks in! If you are open to a gen...

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A lot of the public isn't fashionable! Bless us all... It's funny how sometimes colleagues will be talking about "new" healthy foods and look at my plate, saying "Oh, that's what you've been eating." Only for 15 years. OK, quinoa not so long, and not so often in my book. Much more energy dense than ...

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This doctor treats diabetes. I"m not endorsing his methods, which are not included.

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10913

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Jackn posted about the "religion" of thinness.

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Sorry if this is somehow repeating anything but I was looking for something else and saw this.

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=10913

oolala53

Was there a transcript? Sorry if it was right in front of me.

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Oh, it's pretty crazy up in here, too. On the body thing, it's pretty much the exception NOT to be damaged in this culture. Thankfully, it's manageable, too.

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Lizzie, I'm late to your party but not to No S. I implore you to try to think of good reasons to reduce overeating rather than to reduce weight. We never know how our weight will respond to sustainable eating changes, but there is benefit from consistent moderation completely unrelated to weight los...

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And guess what. When those cultures get exposed to modern foods, they overeat and put on weight, too.

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