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I was gone a week and checking and responding only sporadically. Even in that time, you've gone through a lot!

I like the place you've landed as of now, though my opinion is only that. I just like feeling I've got some company in resisting the machine.

oolala53

Ah, you attended the unholy church of Beachbody. Not the first and won't be the last. Nice thing is when you get on your own foundation, almost anything can be used for YOUR purposes, rather than theirs. I"m speaking of the workouts, if you have any. When you get more familiar with the routines, I t...

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Coming up on a month! Nice to hear eating hangups feel abated for now.

oolala53

I noticed the silence but was waiting a bit. Congrats on the pregnancy! Sorry it's worrisome, but it sounds like most eating is moderate, so that's lucky, no? If you are looking for guidance regarding sweets, I have a couple of ideas, but I know from my own experience that sharing my troubles doesn'...

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Dang! that reminds me I forgot to add my powdered protein this morning, something I was going to do as an experiment. Do you grind your flax? I keep a bit ground in the freezer. I find the whole seeds just pass through, though I won't tell you the evidence for that. :? It's funny how Reinhard says s...

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Those guidelines sound reasonable. A month of testing it out should give you a chance if it leads to moderation.

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My gosh! You're down six pounds from a month ago, at least as of the 11th. (I tend to ignore one-day weigh-ins, though. I weigh for a week or even ten days and then find the average.) May I ask: do you think if you didn't exert a lot of effort often to stick to whatever your plan is that you would e...

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How'd the month go?

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What happens in September? And congrats on all the work done and No S-ing.

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Litigation. Shudder. If only eating could help. But, it doesn't. Hope you got through Friday green. BTW, I tend to keep a big towel in the "trunk" of my hatchback. Food wrapped in that has always survived even several hours before I got home. And having it way back there prevents opening it before I...

oolala53

If it's any consolation, the women in the Blue Zones (areas of longevity without degenerative disease) tend to eat much less than what is considered "necessary" or "healthy" in this culture. Maybe a lot of the women are short, but I read that they average (which means sometimes even less (!) but som...

oolala53

With all due respect, in case this is still problematic, the process is actually likely to go faster if you are willing to take it more slowly, with less to resist. Try not to worry about being hungry at the meal and stopping when full at first. (Unless you're pulling it off. Then shut my mouth!) Tw...

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I tell myself: Be firm/strict before you slip and gentle/forgiving/dispassionate afterwards. In the end, it's easier not to have the food than it is to either have or try not to have the mental shenanigans afterwards. It's almost never a free lunch.

oolala53

And what was ubiquitous as offerings at restaurants when I went on my recent trip to the low Sierras (where choices were more limited, being away from the big cities)? pizza, hamburger, fries. Everything else was darn expensive. I've rarely seen good quality oatmeal offered anywhere. (If people were...

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Nice first day back!

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"I left because- Oh, Shiny." Good stuff.

Welcome home, again, this time to both of you. You've had a lot of fun on the wild ride, no? But this is not a bad place to ride out the decades in moderation. Best kept secret is that it's fun, too.

oolala53

A. 3-6 pm, which I still call the witching hour. B. During unstructured time (mostly weekends), esp. when 1) I'm avoiding things I don't want to do, even though I'd be glad when they're done; 2) when I get a vague sense that there's something important (not the things in #1) I'm supposed to be doing...

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Welcome home, Tonsha.

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P. S. Sometimes, after 6+ years, it's even fewer than three a day. Still not starving.

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Hear, hear. No one starves on three meals a day. Especially when a person (meaning I) still has quite a store of snacks, sweets, and seconds from time past right inside! This after using 45 lbs. of my inner convenience store. S/he might get hungry, though. But it won't be starvation. Just keep up wi...

oolala53

This is actually in keeping with No S, MamieT. Having two meals and changing the content on your plate could technically be mods, especially because it sounds like you are doing it routinely. You're still not snacking, I doubt you eat sweets much (eventually, on No S, they can become VERY occasional...

oolala53

I've had a fair amount of success fasting between three meals on N days, and eating carbs the whole way (as do the long living, non-obese people of the Blue Zones) . Which is why I'm on No S.

But this is getting off the IF (theme of the thread) track...

oolala53

I actually like Fung, and have often said that the game is very different when a person has a disease. That's when the "diet" guns need to come out. But they need to target the condition; weight loss may happen or not. Reinhard has never claimed No S is about curing disease. He's much too rational f...

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So we don't get too far afield, I'm going to send my next response to you personally. In any case, I'm glad you feel No S is the right framework to figure this out in, especially if it was working well for you before- just as it has for millions of people who would never consider going on a diet. Th...

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Hang in there! You deserve all the benefits that will come from your efforts. Crank up the a/c and do some planks, squats, wall sits, side planks, working up to 30 sec each and adding up to 14 min. Short bouts of simulated rope jumping are good, too. YOU can do it!

oolala53

If I didn't say it above, ditto on being sure you have great meals or at least something you consider rich or decadent to look forward to (or back on). Mine used to be nuts or a buttered biscuit or some whole wheat garlic bread along with the rest of my meal. And savoring!

oolala53

I think any way you do it so that it doesn't lead to more and more if in keeping with No S. BTW, I've read that some Ikarians, noted for longevity, have wine at every meal, including breakfast! They aren't necessarily all slim, but they sure, on average, live a long time! And they enjoy the heck out...

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I dunno, I ate a lot of what I think the author would call "addictive meals" over the years, but thankfully, the rest of them won out. I, too, still feel too consumed with this topic, but I can't put that on anyone else. :roll: It has been much harder to try to find replacement activities for this t...

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There are a ton of good ideas in the intelligent dietary defaults and No S catch phrase glossary under Sticky of stickies, too. Great browsing if the habits get shaky.

oolala53

I've gone through more than one "extinction burst." Those old patterns can be very strong, and are mostly latent when they've been quashed by new ones. Stress can make you WANT to eat, but you don't have to just because you want to. You will have to likely use some effort, though. Only mental techni...

oolala53

Unfortunately, nuts are so calorie-dense that even just adding them to your dinner plate and then eating them later might not make the difference you would like. (I sometimes do that will fruit and yogurt; the bowl for them is on the plate, but I take a break and eat them a little later.) Is there a...

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Glad to hear it. Hang in there! Mark that green day proudly when you make it. Judith Beck also recommends writing a short report of tough victories and reviewing them often, but save that for if just using habitcal doesn't work. I sort of incorporated that into my list of reasons to live the moderat...

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You may decide at some point to include some recording of food, but I hope you have fun finding out if you want to. The good thing WW did for me (ues, there was something!) was that I found that some very satisfying meals with rather routine meal components were also of moderate calories, so I chose...

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Welcome home and so glad to hear about your mirror experience.

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Oh, my. I've read Livingston's book. I liked it, too. I have to say as someone who felt a lot of shame over feeling like a fat pig (even when I weighed only a little more I do now), I was glad I had been able to have a bit of a sense of humor over his terminology when I read it, but I'm not sure a l...

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Guess what? You're human. Some habits take much longer than others, and some may always take effort for some, probably most, people. Especailly when modern life has changed the amount of moving and standing most of us need to do. All of the Blue Zones except one exist in rather hilly areas and the n...

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That's an option, Lizzie. Humans lived without refined sugar desserts for most of history. I doubt you need to get crazy about added sugars, though. If you keep your intake of manufactured foods down, you'll decrease them, too. Am I repeating myself to point out that Americans ate about 10 pounds of...

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I"m going on a trip and have neglected some correspondence here and probably will over the next week. Just want to let everyone know I'm thinking of you all and wishing food sanity for the whole tribe.

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Jen, what you do is still pretty close to Vanilla. You eat three times a day, have S's on S days, and have an S on some weekdays. Do you have any sense of whether you end up having S's on weekdays more than a couple of times a month?

oolala53

This just makes my stomach churn. The idea that this kind of activity for children is somehow what childhood is all about is very problematic in my mind. But it is considered the norm. I have fond memories of it myself, but I image junkies secretly have fond memories of getting high, and I see the f...

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Thanks for responding! It was good to find out that the subscription doesn't necessarily include getting to read anything I wanted. I'm still not sure what I"m going to do. I was asking because I actually bought the hard copy of a book, had it get delivered a couple of weeks ago or so, and can't fin...

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I say as gently as possible: which do you dislike more, being hungry or resisting stress eating, OR feeling like you look old and moth eaten, fearing dying young, feeling heavier, and probably distressed about how you handle eating? Right now, you are feeling that it's more painful to resist food th...

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Yes, I'm here! I try to keep the kicks gentle, but it's all relative! Ok, I'll just ask some questions, and you don't have to answer me, just yourself. I am one to think that someone really has to be overeating consistently to have any reason to purposely muck with eating habits. Is it possible, eve...

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I know there is a forum for random topics, but I don't think it has as much action, so I"m asking here. Basic question is whether or not you are glad you have Kindle unlimited, or something like it. You can skip all the details about myself, if you like. I'm a pretty frugal person and (having read S...

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I wish I felt the door thing more in my life. Just don't. Or maybe I'm picky about what's behind the doors. Oy vey. I'm aware I have a ton to be grateful for, but it doesn't stop me from still feeling antys below the surface a lot. Been working on that longer than on food. MUCH harder. I often tell ...

oolala53

Welcome! In my journey, I've read other sources (can't 'member them all now) that recommend routine meals and they've said for someone who doesn't work at tough physical labor, two meals is probably fine. But you may also find that , when you aren't eating the sweets ((when would you have them, if y...

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OMGosh, after what I said, I got overtaken by the thought of cake and had a binge. It scared me. It was on a day that was going fine. I did not think I was going to take that kind of chance on something that can't be measued until it's too late. But it can be a fine line to find the right attitude. ...

oolala53

Bumping up; doesn't hurt to be reminded what often happens "out there."

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One mod I am ALMOST ready to commit to, with the same exception language as original is a fourth S: no Standing (while eating). This dovetails with snacking because it puts the double kaibosh on nibbliing on any food while cooking or arranging the plate before sitting down. Another slippery slope av...

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It seems better to have tactics that others don't have to do much for us for. If tucking the ends under helps you, wonderful! It's a pretty easy remedy. Easy is good.

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How didi I not get in on this? It's interesting that you were able to get to your maintenance weight in one "swoop" and stay there. It's one way it happens! I'm so glad you back up what I tell people: this can get a person through a LOT of changing situations, if s/he really embraces it. (BTW, since...

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I actually did add the part about how Mahowny (in movie) said he as going to be okay with highs of 20 rather than the 100 of gambling. I sometimes imagine eating A LOT Costco cake with frosting, or a tube of cookie dough and actually don't rule it out because goll durn it, it's not heroin. But unlik...

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Hard to work around injuries, but hope physioth. can help and give ideas. Although I hardly ever do what they say on my own. This is reminding me I want to give a few trainers a try to see if any they can help with little twinges in a shoulder and knee that keep me from going full bore in dance clas...

oolala53

I am all over the place with my meals, though I'd be very unlikely to cook a hamburger and French fries at home. I can never believe it when people at work think I'm a vegetarian. I don't know if it's because they see a lot of vegetables or stuff is often in sauces or what. I probably do eat less me...

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I'm pretty sure it was I who offended you, and am mortified. I doubt any explanation I could give would suffice. I can't remember where I wrote that but am very willing to remove it.

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I think toggling is very appropriate. I'd bet that many successful No S-ers, like myself, do it at various times.

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I meant, given some people's definition of "starving," even that is okay- sometimes.

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re: comment on my thread

You are too kind! Thanks.

oolala53

Though there is debate over what the minimum should be, I say you are way ahead of the game with that exercise routine. I'm STILL in the aspiration stage. I guess if I made it a rule that I couldn't post about eating issues anywhere until I'd gotten my minimum in each day, I'd either do it, or the b...

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I like this quote as a reality check for those who feel (or are) addicted to overeating, which I don't think Reinhard was. It just means that if we're waiting for something to be as easy and fun and exciting as food, or particular foods and large amounts of them, we will likely be waiting a long tim...

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just bumping this up.

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Now you can have the temptation of having food as close as your water bottle, just in case you can't make it to a food source at the moment a food thought occurs to you. http://www.13deals.com/store/products/43713-drink-n-snack-20oz-insulated-tumbler-with-built-in-8oz-snack-cup (I get no kickback an...

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Oh, I meant to tell you that I was reading fast at one point, and I thought I saw a reference to bear detergent. Puzzled! I wondered is it made from bear grease or is it for WASHING bears? Talk about brave!

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Just saying hi.

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Did you recover from the 3-day weekend?

oolala53

I developed the habit of eating slowly (most of the time) even before No S. Sometimes I fill my plate and then put half of the hot food back. I take my time with what's on my plate, and then sometimes even take a bit of a break. Then I take the rest. That might not be canonical, but it keeps my food...

oolala53

So, Gill, do you sometimes "take" the optional two S days per month? Two red days a month average is stupendous! I had a LOT more, after my introductory "perfect" three months. I don't think I've ever had such a perfect streak again. SO glad to know you. And SO glad it sounds now like you still do s...

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Except sometimes, even for "starving."

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I actually rarely cook whole recipes. I make and freeze plain grains, beans, and meats and add veggies and sauces later. Even the sauces aren't homemade! But I look for simple ingredients. A lot of Indian flavors. And spaghetti sauce or chile verde. Lately just herb mixes, salt, and a fat over the f...

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Keep track all you like! It's all about habit. If it helps you establish and solidify the meal habit, do it. If it doesn't actually do that OR makes you crazy, drop it.

oolala53

Linda, sorry I've been out of the loop and I just missed you leaving on vacation. (There is a thread on another team that I actually "LEAD" on Spark and I found I hadn't really read the other comments since May 9.) Your issues I believe are EXACTLY the reasons to "go on a diet," not necessarily a ca...

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A lot of them didn't! It was just different things that killed 'em.

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You have been at this only two weeks, right? It is TOTALLY diet head to think you have got to get these habits down NOW and that you have to look and watch and learn from every little experience. That will likely lead to frustration and giving up. You are in this for the long haul. Unless you have a...

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Out of curiosity, why no bun? No unrefined options? Chocolate and raspberry are a favorite combination of mine, too. But I say you made the right choice, not that my opinion matters. Do you know of any people who were able to use kettlebell training to overcome little knee and shoulder problems? I'm...

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I think seeing examples of people who have true health scares, make big changes because their lives are either miserable or at stake, get better, and lose weight but really mostly as a side effect, can make it seem as if we should just do the same. But it's very hard to recreate that sense of urgenc...

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I dunno, the huge increase in the use of extracted vegetable oils is posited to have a big impact as well, no? But that won't come out in books and films on sugar.

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Two days a week is a good start! Just keep inching your way, getting through one more "fast" between meals, or a day with no sweets, or whatever. You'll either get better at it slowly, or likely get exasperated and bite the bullet. It's can be hard, but it's not TOO hard.

oolala53

Thanks for answering my questions. Snacks and meals must be a lot smaller there.

I think putting on muscle is possible, but if it were easy, there wouldn't be a jillion sites telling how to do it. Thankfully, being fit and living long don't require it.

See you at your next check in.

oolala53

Those sound like good improvements already! I'm very much for thinking we can ease our way in to the three S's. I didn't, officially, but I guess I believe that if a person is suffering a lot to do it, either her motivation isn't really clear yet or she's just trying to go too fast. Yes, there are a...

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Have to say that when I did WW (where I have to admit I did learn that I knew how to put together satisfying meals that I still use the guidelines of), they were very discreet and kind about the weigh ins. However, I was very motivated at the time and didn't find it hard to stick to. Eventually got ...

oolala53

4 in a row is still something! Make Friday meal content as fun as you can within the guidelines for now and in your mind, maximize how much you enjoy the eating even without the extras. Minimize what you're missing out on. It really isn't much! Keep thinking about how different things will be in six...

oolala53

Welcome back! Belated congrats on babies. I will write you separately over IE questions, as I don't want to hijack the thread. Glad to know you are finding a satisfying way to live a full life with and without food, as appropriate.

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I signed on to some other sites and have spread myself a little thin. And I get bothered periodically that this focus is still so strong but my alternatives aren't more lofty. I listened to an audiobook by a young woman who basically wrote a memoir of her journey from morbidly obese to mid-BMI range...

oolala53

Hi, e-Lyn!(auto correct is balking). Please try not to worry too much about S days. If you are really not longing for anything that couldn't fit in a meal on either day, you aren't obligated to have something! Do your best to have generous meals with foods that will help you compensate for not havin...

oolala53

So when you eat until you have no desire at all, you still get hungry 5-6 hours later? If you didn't, would you skip the next meal?

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I would call that easing into Vanilla. It's perfectly acceptable to try fading the S's out. (I have'nt seen that work well with sweets.) I've seen many people do well with three meals and a snack for a few weeks or months. Having seconds is an alternative. I've seen other references to eeating like ...

oolala53

I suggest also to consider what constitutes being miserable. Am I really miserable if I don't get x, y, or z? Am I making it a bigger deal than it needs to be, either way? Those are personal answers, too. I've cut out just about all of my between-meal mochas and lattes. At one point, I felt that wou...

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Honestly, from what I can tell from several years on here, success on non Vanilla is the exception. If we weren't in such food-rich environments, it could probably work to be more random, but it's just not habit-friendly because it involves a new level of having to keep track a bit. And please remem...

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Neat stuff! It's especially interesting to me because I know that Germany has a lower average BMI than the U.S does, but I guess it's not because the people don't snack. What about junk food? Has that not overwhelmed the population yet? How many kilograms of muscle did you put on? I could figure it ...

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This is why I'm always surprised when people report having lost weight after a week or so, or after something specific they've done, stating it as if it's permanent. Even if a person ate exactly the same deficit on a daily basis, she would likely NOT lose in a linear fashion. That's why the other be...

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No sure how we would know. I don't check them unless there is a new post that I get alerted about. Would that still happen? I'd say maybe there should be part of the title of the thread that says Read This Second (after the etiquette thread), but since people often don't follow directions anyway, th...

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Just want to report that Roy Baumeister, a very well-respected researcher on willpower, said never to think that if a person has trouble sticking to eating changes that it means she doesn't have willpower. It is one of the most problematic behaviors to change. The good news is that he says that maki...

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I've seen many people regret trying to have sweets more often, though there have been exceptions, and you'll probably hear more from them. I suspect that those who are successful with it fit a little more into your category. Over the years of watching here, I'd say that those who were already very a...

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I'll say I'm in, even though I guess I'm never committed enough to actually record each day, here or anywhere. Hmmm.

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I'm not a parent. I went because the venue was close to where I live and I do enjoy seeing the kids dressed up. The more important focus about your body, I think, is where will you be if you don't get your EATING under your control? Actually, it is under your control, more so than your weight is. Yo...

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Do your best to keep reminding yourself of how much PLEASURE you actually get from your delicious meals AND from NOT S'ing every day. It's much more pleasant not just from the pleasure of the discipline but just from how much more total pleasure there is from eating, no? For most of my No S career, ...

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The majority of people on the National Weight Loss Registry (who actually represent only a tiny fraction of people who attempt to lose weight) failed many times before the time that clicked. I noticed two things from reading there. 1) Their motivation got very clear and exaggerated but without guilt...

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Your delight sounds delicious!

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Did not read your whole post (going to chaperone my high school's prom!), but I've looked into EOD and IF. Many programs warn that it doesn't work well for people who have a history of compulsive overeating or gorging as a reaction to dieting, though there are EXCEPTIONS. Fasting may help people lea...

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Just want to warn everyone that I hurt my shoulder on the chair dip years ago and it has never completely healed. An alternative is to lie on one side with bottom knee bent, top leg extended, bottom arm wrapped across stomach, top arm hand on floor in front with bent elbow, lift the torso up and dow...

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