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To many more weeks of being full from lunch.

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How about an update, SpiritSong? Anything worked for you?

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Pleased to meet you.

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We (in my yoga classes) used to call it an upward bow. Those days are over for me, I think. I never could get my armpits completely open and my arms straight. Now it gives me a shaky feeling to think about even trying, at least without a pretty strong spotter.

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No need for that. Nor would there be much advantage, at least not in my book, esp. given how slim you are.

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You bought jeans that fit you now? Better watch out; you just might be "going sane."

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I tend to finish at home because my portions are reasonable. At restaurants, I tend to gauge as soon as I get the plate and divide it according to what I've learned is about right. Takes experience. But I am very likely to finish what I've allotted myself. I actually can't imagine leaving what I see...

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I would call what leafy green is doing a mod. That is different, to me, than flexing the definition of failure. I regard a designated mod stuck to as a better option than letting the lines get rather fluid. That can involve a lot of mental dickering that I'd like to avoid. Dealing with perfectionism...

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And with the habits that got you there, I hope.

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Minimizer, don't mean to bogart this thread, but I've had two things help me with sugar in the last several months. One was coming across the MIND diet, a diet that's associated with decreased chance of Alzheimer's, which at my age is a real concern, (it recommends no more than 4 servings of sweets ...

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Haven't looked at it yet. I do use some sugar alcohols now.

MM, I don't have Netflix, either.

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Welcome! I respectfully suggest that it's not weight that you never had to think about but random overeating (and possibly under moving). "Orderly" eating is the best antidote to that AND to diet head; THAT you can win at EVERY day!

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A woman who wrote a book about ending bingeing and purging said she established a basic routine for eating and then regarded any urge to deviate as "neurological junk," not worthy of any attention. A similar case could probably be made for any urges to diet for appearance' sake. Or, foisting my own ...

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Lori, it's hard to imagine you NEEDING to lose weight. If YOU do, then I am really in trouble. Savor your meals and go in peace!

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I just use regular weights I had around from previous fitness/weight loss attempts. I went with the ethic of what was on hand. I'm making progress with them! I've spent so much on this stuff over the years that I have banned myself from any purchases until I've been at it consistently for six months...

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I'm actually the one who said, "No S IS hard... It just turns out that everything else is harder." But paraphrase any way that helps you! It may work even better now that you've actually tried other systems [again], so it's relatively fresh in your mind that it's unlikely you'll do any of them perma...

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8) G G G R G/r 8) 8) G G G R G 8) Y 16 17 18 19 20 Y Y 23 24 25 26 27 Y Y30 31 Update Saturday, 5/14. Worked in enough vigor to satisfy me for a G yesterday. Daily step average 6,250. Woops, lower than last week. Oh well. Fell prey to mindless eating of pretzel sticks this week. Second week in a row...

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Four boys! Yowsuh. I remember you, I think. Do you have slim sisters and mother who can snack with abandon?

How tough do you want us to be with you if you start to go back on your claim No S for life? Do we get to remind you to come back and read your post here?

Welcome home.

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Very impressive, esp. that you're accomplishing the trifecta of eating, walking and 14xanything. I love that it seems you see that if you keep to the habits, when your head hits the pillow at night, you know you can rest easy no matter what you weigh. (Honestly, I think you should be able to no matt...

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Phosphorus, that's exactly what I mean about men as above. But they have their burdens...

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Unfortunately, that often ends up being an ideal rather than reality, just as "nothing tastes as good as being thin feels." The hell it doesn't! If that were true, almost no one would be heavy. I think it's more that the culture has adopted, "Just a spoonful (and another spoonful, and ANOTHER spoonf...

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What they said, and Women have been judged much more for their appearance pretty much throughout history, with it relatively accepted in the world of biology that originally, and subconsciously now, men look for "healthy" mates and women look for mates with status, both to ensure the survival of the...

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That video is so wrong in so many ways...IMHO.

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I know it seems you are losing a lot, but this thread represents only about a week of posts, right? I don't think there's a way to move the whole thread, so might be better to cut the cord quick and get started in the check-in forum. Assume you will be at it for awhile. Some of us there have been at...

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That's the idea! Glad you're enjoying yourself.

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Try not to get down on yourself, unless you really find that it changes your eating behavior. One part of you believes that you will respond to that tactic, but if it worked, your eating wouldn't be an issue anymore, very likely. See if you can be more curious and objective about it. "I wonder if I ...

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That experiment is cited in much anti-diet literature, but I'm feeling these days like it was misleading to use the experiment the way it has been. I think motivation and retraining thinking can make a difference, as well as varying intake. With the right orientation, low intake days can definitely ...

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It took quite a lot of not lasting many times before it became clear that I was paying a worse price by giving in. A LOT of times! and it isn't as if it's mindless now. But doable and worth it.

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The best of several worlds.

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I've been practicing putting off eating until later in the morning when I have that heavy feeling. It's working out okay, as long as I don't get caught up in thinking it's going to cause weight loss. It's just practical.

Hope you get to take advantage of the delicious weather soon.

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Yes, belated happy birthday! And yeah, I meant the worrisome thinking about food. I see on other sites that people's eating obsessions get linked to their cooking and vice versa. But I know that slim cultures love thinking and talking about food and cooking. It's about pleasure, not guilt and fear. ...

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With just one year of dieting, you've got a good prognosis...

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I receive Brad Pilon's newsletter and take the liberty of pasting the part of his response that has nothing to do with selling anything. All this study showed me was that you can’t out metabolism a bad diet. Why? Let’s start at the beginning, when these people had a measured resting metabolic of ove...

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I don't know why I haven't been receiving alerts of your updates. It says at the bottom that I am meant to, but I've done a few searches for No S shares over the last weeks and they haven't appeared. Anyway, decided to visit. Worn out your welcome? You're funny. It sounds to me like your mods for yo...

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Just adding that as you can see, it would likely be very rare to get enough pleasure out of the reduced caloric needs of reduced very obese people to justify staying thin. Even the ones who actually keep to their low amounts usually slowly gain. The NWLR reports that many live on an average of 1200 ...

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I'm pretty sure the author of the book on women not getting fat in the 50's is a staunch advocate of calorie counting. It irks me that she has nearly as many Amazon reviews as No S (in many fewer years), but less than that a book on green smoothie cleansing has 52x the number of reviews! but I'm get...

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P. S. Don't know if it was here or somewhere else that someone commented that when she was obese, no one ever implied to her that her eating habits were unhealthy. Kudos to them for staying out of her business. But she said people now that she's thin feel the right to tell her to eat more because it...

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I say your instinct is right. All the talking about dieting is counterproductive, especially when it's so charged in our culture and is likely to fail. Save talk of No S for after it's an established success AND only if anyone seems truly interested. Don't give anyone a chance to undermine your plea...

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I want to mention that the adds under the page for me were two books about grandma wisdom, one about Parisian beauty secrets and one on baseball, of all things. Not sure what prompted that.

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I wish we could gather these and other non-snack evidence threads together. But, I have to say, BOTH my grandmothers were fat. One of them died that way in her 60's; the other was just about starved down, lived to be 78, never regained, and never complained about the strategy. One was from Italy, th...

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Nice work.

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Don't get me wrong; it's not actually natural to eat slowly. I know of thin people who can inhale a meal when they are very hungry, esp. if they've lived alone a long time! Cultural practices affect this, and slow-eating cultures tend to be slimmer and stay healthy longer. (There are other influence...

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It's definitely a sane way to live. Reduced appetite as I age has led me to some IF, as it's easier than tiny meals for me. I honestly don't think most people can escape being at least a little more aware of their eating after any purposeful eating changes for just about any reason. But No S princip...

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Much as we would like to believe differently, calorie needs normally drop with any weight loss, fast or slow, and tend to stay that way. Reduced bodies need fewer calories than non-reduced bodies. There are exceptions but most people can't count on being exceptions. (There might also be exceptions f...

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I don't think there's much more than just recognizing that it's another habit driven by forces that will bend to the wishes of the prefrontal cortex, which sees the wisdom of another way. No matter what trick people say to use, you have to decide to use it! It helped me to know that slim cultures ta...

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What really gets the people I talk to is that I haven't really exercised consistently until the last few months. I have done West African dance off and on for over 20 years and people know that about me, but I tell them I can go two months without dancing at all. Even now, it's 14 minutes that's mor...

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Glad for you but aaargh for me. I have ADD and it is very much recommended not to depend being able to make any money off my stuff. There really isn't much anyway because I have actually gotten rid of just about anything bigger than a breadbox. But isn't it funny how you can not do this kind of thin...

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Glad you're out of the wringer.

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Thanks, WL. I did stumble on Fung. I've listened to some of his stuff on fasting, but I don't know why because I am not close to having diabetes and wasn't considering fasting when I watched his stuff. I've seen later that he is a big proponent of low carb, it seems. I'm saving looking at more of hi...

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If you didn't start overeating and gaining after getting off the meds, I think you can take some credit! You don't have to be on a strict diet to take credit for changes that lead to loss, even if they weren't actually intended that way. In fact, I'd say some of the more successful maintenance comes...

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You two can live your own little traditional slim culture life.

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I often noticed that after a drop in weight, I would feel quite a surge in overeating urges. It didn't help to have old excuses ready.

Your insights are the kind that help me the most.

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Sounds relatively easy breezy for you, LL. Lovely!

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Envious of your industriousness.

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50 pounds changing some things! When you feel like telling the story, we'll be here.

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Good luck with three meals in May.

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I had my first evening of feeling antsy about having fasted and wishing a bit for the evening to be over, while at the same time thinking, oh, there's just a few hours. I got unusually impatient to eat lunch, though I had had as decent a breakfast as I usually do with no problem. I know on most IF p...

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A really nice, sane month! You and me both on the walking.

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I can still remember back when it was such a weird thing not to snack at night after decades of doing it. The night used to seem like such a long stretch. Lately, I've been aiming at some 16-hour fasts overnight, but I will find myself looking at the clock at night and thinking, "Oh, look at that, o...

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Interesting. I thought you were going to fast until 5. It would certainly make tracking your food easier! But sticking to three meals and eating so that one feels hunger for at least one of them is something to aim for. It would make for a great May.

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I got into the habit of buying clothes at thrift stores when I felt so heavy and now still do six years in! I'm actually grieving a bit that I lost more weight recently and a bunch of clothes I got for only a dollar each don't fit anymore. Where will I find such bargains again? Poor me. But DO buy c...

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Mariposa, what did you decide? There is actually no guarantee that any one individual will lose weight on No S, if the truth is told. It will depend on whether the principles get you to eat less than you need so that your body draws on its reserves. But if you stick to it fiercely and don't get caug...

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Three hard-boiled eggs and the rest of the plate veggies can last me 7 hours without a lot of hunger, sometimes more.

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Sounds good. I was lucky before I started to have from previous general concepts for what the building blocks were for each meal of the day. I didn't always know exactly what I was going to have for dinner (I pack and take most weekday lunches, and breakfast wasn't much of an issue) but I knew there...

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Welcome back, idontknow. The 7-8 hours is a pretty long time, esp. if you're not established in the habit. Not sure you were asking for advice, but could you try tiding yourself over with some milk, either dairy or nut, alone or in a hot beverage? Dairy milk has been found to have a similar satiety ...

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Hmm. Do the children serve themselves seconds from the serving bowls? I guess I'm wondering why everyone couldn't serve themselves from bowls and then remove the bowls. I second the suggestion to slow down your eating. Sure, it's a habit to go fast, but slim cultures are humans, too, with the same u...

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Try to let yourself off the hook a little. This is just another habit. I don't want to trigger you, but I will admit that after six years, the health quality of foods does enter into how I plan my meals, but even before No S, I had spent time and energy decriminalizing foods. This gave me the chance...

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Got in a workout yesterday. A fellow philosophy student asked me today what kind of workout I do. I told her about 14 minutes, since it's what I do most consistently. I know she was asking because I've lost a little over the last couple of months; she commented that I was looking like a teenager, wh...

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"I think I need to change my habits around eating. Has anyone got any advice or suggestions?" It's not going to be much different that the tenets of No S. Figure out three times of day you are willing to sit down with a plate (two of them can be quite small) of food and really relish it. I don't thi...

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Some slim cultures eat early; others, late. Consistency and moderation are the keys. The timing just has to work for your total needs. BTW, consider telling yourself that sticking to moderate meals is an even BETTER way of coping with the stress of a new job than S-ing. But you have to do it consist...

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Hope you ended the week green. Keep building those neural networks! Not to mention the hunger-suppressing chemicals. Yeah, that's more scientific than habit talk, but sometimes, it helps!

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Freakin' 15th! I communicate with someone who placed 15th worldwide? IM-PRESSED! Do they figure it by the contestant's weight and how many reps or what? Actually, doesn't matter. Just stellar! Unless your competition was with women like me...

Kudos!

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I wish I could remember the researcher who said he thinks it would pay off in health care costs to simply give free vouchers for vegetables to vulnerable populations. One heart surgery is easily $80,000 with hospital and surgeon fees, no? Often more. Dat's a lotta broccoli. But I've also read recent...

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A woman who ended up writing a book about the power of making small changes said the first change she made, not really thinking it was going to lead to so many other things, was vowing not to eat any of the snack food offered between meals at the office. When it gets really clear how little real ple...

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I've thought of parking a ways from work, but I often have a roll-around that I have trashed the wheels on once before. The case I had before I had to chuck because they couldn't replace them. Such a waste! But a pretty good excuse... yet, I envy you. Hmm.

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Just old patterns of pairing the food with some other stimuli. The important thing is to recognize that it is part of the neural pattern that you would really like to suppress, no? It does not tell you about a real need, nor will you damage yourself by suffering through the intense feelings of anxie...

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What will make it pass the test?

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Hmm, any chance there is some place you can keep that stuff in store for S days? Wrapped up tight in the garage, the car trunk, someone else's car trunk? Four nights and three more days aren't trivial. I used to think it was okay to keep stuff around. It's not terrible, but it does bring some possib...

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Hope to check in and bump up to the end of the month. Failed yesterday at exercise, today at eating. Hmmph. No, not related. Been waking up way early. Can't convince myself to work out then. Get caught up in other activities and don't stop at the regular time for exercise. Lame excuse! Four more day...

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Just remembering that, that you don't want to repeat that experience, may be able to subtly (or not so subtly) influence you to make some changes to the basic pattern easier, things that previously seemed like too much of a sacrifice. They're almost always preceded by an "inside job."

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Hmm, I wonder if you can do it without going on a mirror/media image diet...And adding a few other "exercises."

But no premature optimization!

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The end of the week can be the edge of a field of green. Enjoy the tart.

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Yeah, I saw that. I visited Atlanta once and saw plenty of bi-i-i-ig people. But I see a fair number of them here in SoCal, too, though I guess it might just be my perception.

I guess it may not just be a stereotype that Southerners eat a lot of fried foods and other heavy stuff.

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It may just take longer. It also might be mistaken identity, meaning the feeling is paired with something else you don't even realize. Is it a worse feeling than the feeling of overdoing it and being at the effect of sugar? Or you may have an unrealistic idea about what it should feel like to have a...

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Beautiful! You sound very rational about it. No need to crash the car!

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I remember you! but you weren't gone long. Good to hear from you. However, it worries me a bit that your doctor thought something was serious enough for such a change. It is very unusual for a doctor to suggest such a diet. If your blood panels show problems, I affirm you will find the right mix and...

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http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/maps/national_maps/stroke_all.htm Poor northern Alaska! Who would've thunk it? Wonder why Arizona does so much better? And parts of the northeast? I have a feeling it's more content and not frequency that affects these rate. http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/maps/national_maps/hd65_a...

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I laugh when proponents of intermittent fasting talk about not needing three meals a day, as if that's ALL people eat! As I've said, if we could get 80% of people eating ONLY that often, then we could have an interesting baseline to see if and who needs refinement. But I think things will get worse ...

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Are you saying fasting leads to overeating or not? Your first line says it does but then you say later that you can wait until 5 and not overeat later. Or maybe there just isn't time? But so what? If you can live with the schedule, that's your freedom. I know the proponent of the Fast 5 Diet basical...

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I don't think you'd find anyone here telling that you overdid it on your recent S day, unless you have a health reason to be more strict.

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I think you meant "heavy" meals, not "heart." Or "hearty"? Agreed.

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I have to admit that I see that some of my success has been because my work has been stable and the schedule for eating is, too, since lunch is determined by the school schedule. Lately, I've had to be available to students at lunch time, and it was a bit of a challenge not to convince myself that I...

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In the beginning, staying up until midnight on Friday to eat a 20 oz. bar of chocolate and still eating more stuff on Sunday night. That is one thing I'm sorry I let myself do. Hearing people here so frequently sorry they ate because they could all day Saturday into Sunday night. That's even being c...

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Hugs!

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I admire your lack of need to check in often. See you in early May.

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