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I have experimented with not eating dinner when not hungry in the evening. At first, I would cave and have a big salad with just veggies or some vegetable soup, but now it goes fine if I can keep my mind off the fact that I'm doing it! I think my body has been asking for this.

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I have not slept well for nearly 20 years. I'm sure it has caused many problems, but it has not stopped my eating less over time. A friend just got evaluated and was diagnosed with sleep apnea. I'm going to ask for a referral on this. I think the medical community is really just starting to recogniz...

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And establishing your own foundation for the new you, a sane, relaxed, delighted eater.

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Nut butters, nuts, cheese, plus fruits are pretty convenient, no? It's become such a habit to have basic food groups on hand, partly because I'm on the lookout for them when I shop, that I rarely have an excuse not to assemble a meal. Grains are cooked in quantity and frozen; meats often, too. I als...

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I hate to be that person who frets about food when out, because it makes me think of eating disorders, but really, it does seem hard to get a reasonable meal for a reasonable price, a win-win for both. Yet that's really on the customers and what they'll pay for. But I do see the foodscape changing. ...

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Roy Baumeister said never assume that a person trying to change eating habits does not have willpower. It is one of the hardest changes to make, yet a clear vision of the benefits and then noticing them and magnifying them when they happen can make it a lot more likely. (He also said don't go on a "...

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SF, glad to hear it, though your health issues might merit appropriate mods. The important characteristics about mods is that they are fair, supportive of the big picture, and that any loss of momentary pleasure is balanced by the more steady pleasure of the effects of moderation AND the knowledge t...

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Does uni mean university? Tx

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I'm going to repeat the advice to consult your list of reasons you want to eat moderately. They have to be things you really want and that you know are life-affirming, not just cosmetic. Health ones are quite effective IF the concern is real. (Most people kid themselves about health. They know they ...

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Three meals a day and life in between. Welcome!

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Not to dwell on my body, but I found my old DEXA scan. I thought it was from much longer ago. It was in the summer of 2006. I weighed more then, but I put on another 30 lbs. after that before the turnaround with No S at the very end of 2009. Another luck of the draw is that my body took more fat off...

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I'm trying that, Swuddly.

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Thanks, I'll try it out.

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I don't try to make them with punctuation; should I?

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Waaa, how come my icons don't work? Did everybody do theirs by hand or could you copy and paste? Mine is a copy and paste.

oolala53

Just to say, I hope you will not judge yourself or No S too harshly if you do binge sometimes, even often enough that it really seems terrible. If you don't give up, they will either fade on their own or you will like N day feelings enough that you are wiling to tough it out when you still get the u...

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I'm in but I hope I remember to check in. And I'm doing it more for exercise than eating.

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oolala53

Welcome! Sometimes people who have done rather strict regimes gain a little at first, but give it time. This is definitely preferable to living with shakes permanently, at least to me. I like to chew!

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How do you get your oven chips crispy?

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I know both feelings. It's pretty hard not to feel a bit of incentive from a weigh-in, but the scale can't make us feel lighter and peppier day after day. Than again, maybe if mine showed actress weight every day, it could. But I notice when I don't get too full, I feel skinny, and that was true whe...

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Nothing like functional movement as a benchmark and medium.

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Seems like you might be a natural for the two-meal option. Or a different eating window than most. I've seen people here permanently opt for a much smaller window, starting much later than the mainstream culture, but still eat three times. I would rather just have fewer meals, as I don't enjoy my fo...

oolala53

Stair climbing for 14 minutes on your first day? Wow! But it sure is efficient.

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Especially if like me you've watched "Mansfield Park" five times even though you've promised yourself after time three that you wouldn't... not to mention Law and Order: Criminal Intent countless times.

oolala53

Impressive that you can let the thought just be there and move on. That might be bigger than not eating. I've been working on that one for over 10 years; I'd say I've been able to do it decently only in the last six months. Double kudos to you!

oolala53

What happened here was just WTH. Classic. Once you broke a rule, it kicked in and you likely felt if you had failed, might as well go big. I would say that until you get more settled in the habits, in such a situation, if you feel it's really too much, accept that you want to break a rule, and have ...

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I attended a Zen center for several years, doing many short and long weekends of meditation but it still took until last year for me to start seeing how much of the time I spend outside of class having difficult interactions go through my mind. It's a difficult habit to break for me. I think you're ...

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Me and TV got a good thing goin'.

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I think that's giving her too much credit. It may be true that she's not as stressed, but I doubt that is the reason she is slim. We're just not a good match for a partnership. I have to get through a couple more months. I'm pretty sure I'll have a better pairing next year. And I don't eat over it, ...

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I'm convinced that staying green when it's hard does more to solidify the habit than when it's a piece of cake. You rode the wave to shore!

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Minimizer, I don't know why the density is good. I hadn't exercised really consistently, but I did sometimes go through phases and kept up SOME African dance at various times. That's pretty bouncy. I was still able to walk for long distances and sometimes did a two-hour hike. I think of bone density...

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It drives me crazy that one of the teachers I work with pretty much allows the students to eat all during class. I've worked with other teachers for years and I can honestly say that the demeanor of that classroom is NOT studious. Not to mention that during one period, it is just before the students...

oolala53

Kudos to a successful Easter weekend. Sounds like you weren't the least bit derailed!

oolala53

I think it's interesting that you are not tortured by not having breakfast some times. I would have had a terrible time doing that when I first started. In essence, it sounds like you are doing a couple of 16-hour fasts a week. Some people choose to do those on purpose- I'm one of them, but it's aft...

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Congrats on your standing in the county.

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Or as Gandhi supposedly said, Even God can't change the past. I'm really convinced we could not have done anything different at any moment in the past. Our actions were the sum total of our previous ones and fit situations that had come together from countless other influences. But we have a part of...

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Hope it's okay if I make a cautionary comment about Tim Ferris. Please remember that what he promotes may be the result of his own experiments-o-one and many of his followers, but that in no way holds a candle to the MILLIONS of people who have lived similarly for whole lifetimes the principles of m...

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Just saw your post on the Skier. Mazel tov!

Your junior high basement gym sounds like what i see when I peek into Crossfit doors. I guess this is what we get now that we can't spend our days running down game and scouring the countryside for lunch.

oolala53

Sorry if I projected my stuff. I'm elated that the desire for weight loss takes a back seat. It's just one of those things, like wanting to learn to play an instrument better or beat a rival in tennis, I guess. On the radar SOME of the time. Hope you have a good holiday with the family. I'd bet you'...

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In the interest of honesty, I had a rather cruddy No S morning. Hope you have a sane evening and good sleep.

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Not too awful!? It's fantastic!

I think you are doing marvelously well and coming to some great insights rather early. A lot of people struggle with worse stuff for longer. Others gave up a long time ago, never to return. Others are off dieting and failing, maybe to return.

Aren't we lucky?

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I absolutely don't mean to sound disrespectul It's just ironic that I at times have wished to have some kind of obvious reaction to foods right soon that would make me really want to avoid them. I've got a darn iron stomach. Gluten? Bring it on! Dairy? Watch me! Food coloring, nitrites, aspartame, e...

oolala53

How is not eating after dinner going? It's a great feeling when several days or weeks have gone by and it starts to feel normal to have those lovely hours without eating before bed.

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Oh, have I fallen for that one- on sale chocolate- umpteen times! I almost did it yesterday looking at Easter candy. Thank goodness I'm cheap. It hadn't been discounted yet, so I walked away. I'm browsing and posting because I've failed this morning and I"m trying to gear up for a better afternoon. ...

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Hope it went well. Has it clouded over there? I actually like that for brisk walking. I failed this morning, though not by a lot. It surprised me because things had been very easy for awhile. Hope it's not a rebound. (And sorry for dumping here; just trying to support.) I'm buckling down to a good s...

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I've incorporate some modified days of what you do but won't go into details. I can see it working for some, esp. because it sounds like it just fits. Your boss is 20th in the world? That's intense. And what a coincidence you work in that office. It probably wouldn't motivate me because it's so outl...

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Hope you recovered. I know it may sound outlandish, but I finally accepted that I could not bake sweets, at least not anything that would have leftovers or not be consumed with others soon after making them, at home anymore. Now, I mostly cook for myself, so it's easier, but I swear, life has been b...

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Speaking of a story-snack, I was out with a friend for lunch yesterday. She had a knee replacement recently and is still recovering. We were having an early lunch and split an entree. It's my preference normally, and my friend was willing because she said her meds had dampened her appetite. I was ta...

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Jack, I don't know what's going on here, but I didn't assume you were going to sneer at your colleague then or later. And I did think you explained yourself that you were analyzing what has become the default in our society. Seeing those defaults for what they are is quite valuable to use them to pr...

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Hear, hear, Kittson! Our society needs more women (and men) at peace with food and not fretting over her body. AND not chasing after the worshipped snack.

I lead a No S team on another site, with Reinhard's permission. May I excerpt some of your post with them?

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Thanks, Reinhard. I'll add that even since my post, I had a DEXA scan and found that my fat content is about the same as it was 20 years ago, unlike most people whose fat ratio as gone up. It's nowhere near media-beautiful bf %age, but not far off a "healthy" limit. Also found that the distribution,...

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My pleasure. BTW, the weight probably didn't just come back. Habits came back. Whatever got the weight off wasn't sustainable at that time. I have lost more weight recently and have had people ask me what I did, but I have a hard time telling them not because I don't know but because it's so hard to...

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Maybe we can get a spring update.

oolala53

Congrats on your recovery! In April it will have been a year since you started this thread. Maybe we'll get another update then.

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RED, I don't think even Reinhard uses the biggest one they have. I hardly ever even get to my 15-lb. weights and I have two 20's out on the deck. Thankfully bought at yard sales at a fraction of the new price. I'll probably never get a real sledge hammer. Won't stop me from using what I have doing a...

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I have a weight scale that supposedly also measures body fat. For nearly all the time I've been on No S, it told me my bf was in the high 30's, which was hard to take, but I knew I wasn't willing to do anything much different to change it, so there it stayed. Given that my weight has dropped to almo...

oolala53

Not to draw a lot of attention to it, but does vanilla for you mean real vanilla, no mods at all? Can't remember if you've ever done it for long.

oolala53

Hope your visit went well. Sorry you're having to deal with getting ready for court. It is just a human predicament that we all have a part of the brain that churns out some worry thoughts, thoughts that used to be concerned about possible real threats to our survival but now are more about the surv...

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I am not new and I humbly suggest that you reverse your order of priority, which is rather diet-headish, i. e., let me lose weight first and I'll adjust to maintain. Have you seen how often that works out there? Almost never. :shock: In fact, it has led to decades of misery for countless people, mos...

oolala53

Here's to a great post-Easter green week!

oolala53

I'm sure athletes can benefit from rational, consistent eating routines, too. Everyone can. No culture has done well with most of its individuals eating erratically. Try to think of what foundation you want to have five, ten, twenty years in the future. You can always have adjustments for your sport...

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We here are trying to do this, and it is laudable, but I know there are some people who do believe it is also going to be crucial that there are more cultural and public policy supports for better environments, namely Dr. Deborah Cohen and Brian Wansink, who believe that personal responsibility shou...

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I've been at it six years, and yes, some things aren't as attractive anymore, but I'm afraid I could probably still enjoy a Twix bar. Count your blessings!

oolala53

Not destined for failure at all. I humbly suggest that you regard the fruit as part of the plate at "lunch," so you don't fill the space with denser foods. I will report to you that after I broke the habit of eating after dinner, I eventually rarely felt any hunger before I went to bed, no matter ho...

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I think there are very few of us who have not eaten something we weren't really enjoying, and not just once. In fact, at one point, Reinhard made a podcast about a new mod (for down the line) on S days- I don't remember exactly what the mod was but the problem was "joyless" eating. I think it was mo...

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I, too, haven't eaten whole restaurant entrees from the beginning, though I had started that habit even before No S. Now I even ask for a container before I start and put the extra in there. I tend to even forget about it, and there's no draw to pick at the food just because it's there. Reminds me I...

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I must be reading this wrong. Where is the snack story? And how could he head into a class in another building if he got out on the 3rd floor? Sorry for being thick. When I saw the title, I thought you might have found out that some kids in preschool were being offered snacks to eat while story time...

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Just wondered because I was lucky in that as I got less hungry between meals, I could shave off some of the food on my plates to get the hunger back. I think that contributed to losing over time. And eventually, I had some very LIGHT S days, even lighter than N days. But I had lots of plateaus, too....

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I've mostly "blogged" on my check in thread here and on thousands of posts on the Living Binge Free (all six years of No S) and No S Diet teams on Sparkpeople.com. But it takes discipline to ignore most of the diet hype there.

oolala53

I first heard about the three-meal structure (without S days) nearly 30 years ago! Just try to think that you want to give this a really good chance, say for a year, because you don't want to be coming back in a year or two saying you wish you had never left. What ever you end up doing, you're going...

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Jack, I'm a high school teacher and so often think about areas in my life- not food these days- in which I'm a hypocrite when I'm talking to students or even in the way I act sometimes. MUCH harder than eating to contend with!

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I was older than you when I started, and had also submitted myself to a LOT of anti- media image thinness literature and such. I also felt I had learned to dress in more flattering styles, etc., but my ingenue days were over! So it was less of a burden. But I don't mean I don't spend time and effort...

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I can't watch right now, but I have lost a lot of respect for Jon Gabriel. When he started, he was recommending that people take their time, not limit foods until they could let them drop naturally, etc. I could never do the visualization stuff. I joined a group of his on Facebook and all they seeme...

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Haven't read all your posts but am jumping in. I humbly suggest if you haven't already, start compiling two lists: one of the things you really dislike about overeating, and what you think you will like about eating moderately, especially non-weight loss ones. Give yourself several days to do this. ...

oolala53

Haven't read all of your posts, but wanted to congratulate you on more than a year of No S-ing. IF you can find some health issue that REALLY speaks to you, not just one that you might think you're supposed to adopt, things can go a lot faster. If not, not much else you can do but keep enjoying your...

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If you had success with N days as is, I highly suggest you stay with them. There is a real advantage to not having sweets for multiple days in a row. If you decide to experiment, I also highly suggest that you do it at least a week at time. Do not change stream midway through the week, and especiall...

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Sent you a message privately, Skelton, but in general, do your best to keep at the habits, no matter what's on your plate. I found that some foods were worth the later cravings, until they either didn't have such an effect, or WEREN'T worth it often anymore. But it took experience to find out.

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Eight years is a long time, but at least you came back! I think time makes a difference. You get more clear what your options are.

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Just a reminder, you would have to OVEReat by 3,500 calories to gain ONE pound of fat. I cannot understand the research that keeps saying weighing leads to more weight loss. I have seen it lead to much more misery and less determination, not more way more of the time. I agree that if you are going t...

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I started over six years ago, but weight loss wasn't my focus, even though I was in the low obese range. I was a compulsive overeater, especially of sweets. I knew a diet wouldn't cure me of that. Even from the beginning, my meals were rather "healthy," though, having found out that I didn't actuall...

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This board has a place to post blogs, too. Apparently a lot of them are from the past. You new one would be a welcome addition, in case you want to link it there, too.

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=3839

oolala53

Wow, that is quite a turnaround on the IF POV. I want to say that when I tried it solely to lose weight, I ended up feeling deprived and annoyed and it did feel a bit like torture. Now that I'm doing it for other reasons, it feels pretty good, even fun at times. I don't resent it like I did before. ...

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Saffron Chelsea Bun doesn't sound like a sweet, but Ill take your word for it. Something with coffee sounds darn good, but I'll wait.

I've noticed thin people leave served food before or eat only a bite of two. Getting someone else to take it is another method. Have to admit I haven't done it much.

oolala53

Didn't mean to start any intermittent fasting debates. I opposed it for most of my life!

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I'm taking the liberty of posting the address of my most recent testimonial. I would say that emotional eating has really taken a back seat to other concerns and No S helped me get to this point. It just goes to show that motivation can trump just about anything, when it's clear and real. I cannot h...

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So how are they thinking this will help? Somehow make everything sweet in the world provide no energy so people have only that lousy-by-comparison tasting stuff with energy to choose from? But it has been my experience that after my years on No S, I'm less likely to sacrifice space for sweet stuff o...

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I have done only one 24-hour fast since I read Pilon's book. I'm experimenting now with two 16-hour fasts on non-consecutive days. I'll consider extending it when it feels routine and easy. On non-work days, the easiest is dinner to late breakfast or early lunch. I'm often not very hungry in the mor...

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In case you're interested.
https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopi ... 785#167785

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I'm taking the liberty of posting the other testimonial thread with my 6-year update. Scroll to the bottom. Happy Spring, everyone!

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopi ... 785#167785

oolala53

Well, it's been awhile since I checked in. I guess I felt I was wobbling enough that I didn't want to discourage anyone. I never lost faith that having consistent habits, not snacking-thus longer meal gaps- being one of them, was key. I went through a long, long time of wavering because I had actual...

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I might be willing to go almost any route if someone would do all the meal prep for me, even though I don't hate that part of it. I went to a raw restaurant once that had some wonderful warm soups. I just wasn't inspired to run home and figure out how it was done.

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At least you're not going raw. That's a real crowd pleaser.

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I used to make a big deal about avoiding fruit and nuts because of the sugar and fat, then binge on brownie batter. The queen floating on the barge floating on DENIAL.

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Sounds like a lovely vacation. When I lived in Iran, another American there who had traveled extensively, said it was the most beautiful place she had ever been. It does seem it might be hard to be vegan unless you were to eat an awful lot of fruit. Or what do I know? I guess there would be plenty o...

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Big hugs.

And have faith that some day, it will not be inevitable that No S goes by the wayside in times of trouble. In fact, it may become the port in the storm.

But you have to live it to get there. Rack up all the practice you can!

oolala53

Just wanted to add that what's normal for humans is to overeat when exposed to excessive food with no outside-such as cultural- curtailment, and especially to highly palatable- read packaged and a lot of restaurant- food. Sixty-six percent rate of overweight in this country is proof of that. In fact...

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I go through down times and can't always find a really good reason why. Then it will lift. Grace! I do NOT like managing other workers! Yes, you MIGHT lose your taste for crisps. I imagine you cook a fair amount of grains. Do you freeze them? I tend to have some frozen grains and beans hanging aroun...

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Gill, what kind of training did you have to do for your work? Have you been doing it a long time? What are typical retirement ages for people in your field?

If you're willing to say.

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Ants, horrified that you're nosy or horrified that someone dieted?😉

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Do you think the water weight from bread is harmful? I never think much of water weight unless I can't see the bones in my feet. Haven't found a strict correlate yet, though. And I've never been disciplined enough to change my eating for the scale.

You are rockin' this eating stuff!

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