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I don't think anyone was suggesting you have fruit outside a meal. Just the opposite. No S can't make you follow its rules. If you want a dessert each day, no one can stop you. But it will have to be small and only you can keep to a small portion, if you eventually want to live sanely with food. But...

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Linda, not everyone reads the check-in threads. I think newbies might be drawn to testimonials. I was! Now, yours is here!

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Sun in March sounds like a nice pre-spring gift!

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Maybe it's an advantage. Letting go of most or all processed foods can be slow or fast, but it's something many maintaining weight losers seem to do. Not that I'd wish Lyme Disease on anyone for that result.

There are many great things to eat left, right?

ALL nuts?

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I think this is our dear Linda aka lpearlmom. Glad she put it out there on Amazon. Maybe it will catch a few people who have given up on the New Year's diet.

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Not sure this will work for a mostly-vegan. But is that part of being on vacation, too?

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Sounds like a plan.

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No matter what others have done, if this works for you and gets the result you want, just go with it. Give it a couple of months. If you aren't getting what you want, face the music then and stick with Vanilla.

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Why can't you have a soda with your meal, if you like? Until it seems worth it not to have one. And, yes, you CAN do it, though you may want to fade the habit out rather than force abstinence. It's just a matter of 1) being convinced that the pleasure is not worth some consequence, whatever you thin...

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French crullers used to be my favorites. They hardly ever show up at work events. Oh, well.

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Are these the meals (two soups) because you're feeling a little sick?

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Will other people pressure you to eat more or eat foods you'd rather not? That may not be an issue. I tend to let my conception of thin cultures influence me. I may be wrong about them, but I think they don't look at vacations as times to way overeat day after day. It's not as if they are holding ba...

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Not suggesting IF. Just reporting. Eat up!

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I ate a fair amount of fast food, mostly Mexican, over my years on No S. I read something recently about how people who ate it less than once a week (and a few other restrictions) had a 50% less chance of Alzheimer's with better results the longer they'd been doing it. That just hit home for me, tho...

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Brian Wansink says the motto around the Eating Lab is, "If you see it, you eat it."

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Good work! I think you have a lot of physical expectations for yourself. It's fun to have nice goals, but also to be okay with where you are, especially when it's just between you and you. (Mine have more to do with relationship interactions. Can be harder to justify mistakes. :oops:) I'm sure most ...

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Been out of your loop a long time. Glad your thyroid issues sound handled. Sorry it's been frustrating trying to find your rhythm. It's been so long since I felt any real hunger after dinner, even when I eat rather early, though I push for having it after 6, and when I stay up late. Sounds like othe...

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I think it makes sense. I'm not sure I'm right, but I think the body has energy available from food. Then it goes into stores of glycogen. I bet hunger is some kind of transition. I think it goes in and out of this. I've read that it can take 12 hours or even more of no eating to go through all the ...

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So honest! I'd say if you were having those failures and still maintaining, that is pretty good! Have a great walk in the blustery weather.

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My problem experience is just about ALL about emotional eating! I don't feel I have a problem with being legitimately hungry. I like it! You may have to scroll through my check in thread to get the details you'd like. It's been a six-year journey. The first two on S days were rough. Yada yada. Too m...

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Good work, Anra. I think your decision to start your new habit strong is wise. You will likely have a more moderate fast next year.

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It wasn't about the calories, but that she felt she had picked at the food too much. I guess she felt like she was acting like a person who is at the effect of food rather than detached. It represents that kind of attitude I want to avoid, namely that I should feel weird or apologetic if I am not br...

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Boy, this must have been JUST the ticket for you. Those are fast results! Glad to know it's been such a great fit.

Would you be willing to tell me how old you are?

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You're really a golden one, aren't you? Couldn't happen to a better person, I'm sure.

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I think she originally was using guidelines of OA, which, for the short time I went to it back in the mid '80's, was just three moderate meals a day with no eating in between, but which later forbade sugar and flour and started asking for weighing and measuring all food. (I balked at the three meals...

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I wouldn't put this up on the general board because some might find it too discouraging, BUT I was reading in a book by a physician (who basically writes as if individuals can't do much in this culture's environment) about a study in which people were delivered meals with the right portions and all ...

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You stopped in on the main board awhile back. Hope things are going well!

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Caveat: My goal has never been to lose weight, but to aim for eating in an "ordered" was that supported pleasure and vitality. Here is a link to a post I made about this topic. https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8296 I'm still at it. It's not always rainbows. I've had blips along the way...

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The "real estate" issue is a concern. A sticky of links sounds good.

I'm partial to a "returners" thread, though.

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You mean you aren't going to tell us what weight you started at and where you are now? :wink: You've heard good stuff already, but I'll second giving fewer details than more. People don't know it, but they are not asking in real sincerity. "How did you lose the weight?" "I quit overeating/stuffing m...

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I was misremembering where you were. The trail is nearer to Temecula.

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Kathleen, you have weighed yourself at least a hundred times on this thread. Do you believe it has motivated you during the times you have been able to be compliant with one of your plans? If weight alone hasn't been enough, what is more important that could actually persuade you to eat reasonable m...

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I agree: you have to keep your issues front and center. I'm going to write to you separately. I don't mean to denigrate the Facebook group, but most of the people there are not long timers. There is not a lot of overlap between here and there. I participate some times and Reinhard does, too, but I d...

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Sarah, it isn't common for people to have tame S days right off the bat, though some do. If you went bonkers, it isn't a sign that it isn't working, either. It's just too early to tell. I felt I had time to let weaning coax me off wild S days. Weight loss wasn't the prime mover for me, even though I...

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MLW, that story oft gets repeated! I suggested a thread specifically for returnees who are back after leaving because they weren't losing fast enough. Thank you, diet industry, for all the promises of quick, painless, loss. I warmly wish for you that you quickly find the pace that supports you, and ...

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The scale never helped me make any good decisions about eating. I know it's common on NWLR, which actually represents a very teeny number out of the millions of people on this quest, but it's uncommon in slim cultures to know one's weight. But it's very common in them to stick to mostly meals of rea...

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mustloseweight, did you ever have a period of being No S-compliant? I know your name, but don't remember the particulars. Your "appetite" is often a liar, especially if the desire is for manufactured foods outside your meals. Who cares what liar says? It will even make you think you will somehow hur...

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Sounds like several newbies here. Welcome to the way you would likely have lived if you had been born a hundred years ago. Only with indoor plumbing. Isn't it great? If things get bumpy, comb the board for threads of people who feel they gave up too early and come back with more weight and new resol...

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Kathleen, what is the longest you were ever compliant with Vanilla No S? Being able to eat only when hungry is probably harder than being on a diet. It is the exception in the world. Individuals might but slim cultures do not depend on it. They depend on approximate meal times and routines for meal ...

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Wait a minute: the bottom of the page is selling music now. One of the featured artist is Taj Mahal, whom I heard on Prairie Home Companion last night. But I didn't do any search. Are the marketers reading my mind now?

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I've been out of your loop; hope it's okay to jump in. We found out this past year that my grand niece had been having terrible depression and anxiety for years. It was heartbreaking to hear how unloved she felt when we thought she was the cat's pajamas and thought she knew! A friend of hers at coll...

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I don't know if it's a consolation, but I've never found anything as easy to get a thrill from as eating sweets. And the desire hasn't gone completely away. I know some people claim the desire has been lifted, but I wonder. Does it really go away, or are they just better at coping with it? Thankfull...

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Yahoo! A great feeling is one of the best reinforcers.

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And got weighed in the middle of the day, likely. I always weigh a little more at the doctor's office, but don't tell anyone I know how much I weigh as I'm always telling people not to use the scale as a measure of much.

Top 1%! Did you tell him about No S?

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Sonya, actually eventually, No S needs to be not exciting at all, but just part of the rhythm. Or at least that's my aspiration. But finding other focuses is harder for me than not eating. Oh, well. Could be a lot worse.

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I know we have a lot of stickies, but does anyone else think it might be good to have in one place 1) links to support for not snacking or other S issues, and/or 2) an "I'm back" or "I wish I never left" thread, a place for people who say they are returning after leaving to try something faster and ...

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Also, can people please bump up every few days? Sorry to be a wimp, but it really helps me to record when I get emails that remind me. TX

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Here more for exercise than eating, though I've made some refinements there. Tried copying and pasting from Rawcookie's entry. Let's see how it works. I think it will be good enough. 01 02 03 04 Smile Smile 07 08 09 10 11 Smile Smile 14 15 16 17 18 Smile Smile 21 22 23 24 25 Smile Smile 28 29 30 31

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Merry, I THINK this was the original, though it's quoted in several places on the net. http://www.who.int/bulletin/releases/NFM0715/en/ And while I'm at it, from another article (yes, I'm obsessed or passionate, take your pick) "The study reported that in 56 out of the 69 countries they researched, ...

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It's not just us! Very few societies are immune to the effects of more food available fast. It's just that our manufacturers are fast on the uptake. But even when I was in India in the late '70's and early '80's, there were carts on most big city streets that sold spicy cereals in bulk that passersb...

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The particular studies the "diet" targets didn't seem concerned with that issue, but there are plenty of good reasons to decrease those in general. I'm leaning toward less manufactured foods in general, replacing them with foods from the Blue Zones, though I include others, too, namely a lot more da...

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Awesome! I had missed looking at your thread for awhile. Hope it's okay if I say that sometimes, doing as a thin person would can help, though I'm not one to believe we can always mimic them. But I've seen for more than 20 years that my thin nephew-in-law often leaves a lot of food on his plate, inc...

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I don't consider myself to be a purist, but I am more likely as time goes on to stick to some preferences. I consider it to be like an immigrant who still likes some foods from the homeland better. As I get older, they get "healthier." But it's because the alternatives just seem to have less payoff.

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It seems very telling to me that she was not able to sustain the original loss. Before I even got to the next part of the article that I quote later, I bet it was because she did it for the wrong reasons. Why else would she put it all back on? Her words: "What I wanted to do was to love where I was,...

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Bienvenue!

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I,too,experienced backlash when my motivation was weight loss. Recently made some changes for other reasons and shaved off a little weight, but I'm keeping up the changes whether the weight changes or not because they have other values. I think No S has values far beyond weight loss.

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Simplest: if you use Habitcal, practice a bit beforehand visualizing being able to mark a green day and not having to mark a red. When you see the extra food, think "Habitcal!" and a red mark. To yourself, "THIS is a moment I can choose green." If you need more: Plan the most delicious breakfasts, l...

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Such terrible VALUE people will be getting for their money. And who will bet the packaging won't be recyclable? More crap in the landfills, including the bites of unfinished food (though there probably wouldn't be any from me- if I ate snacks.) This from WHO: "These increases [in the available food ...

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I believe we are more confused because of the media bodies we think we should have. They get in the way! Can you imagine living 200 years ago and fretting about this? Before ubiquitous mirrors and photo images? Gads! Enjoy your food when it's time to eat, move in different ways, and get on with it. ...

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If a certain bodyfat can't be maintained with a sane, livable, moderate diet, IMHO, it can't be necessary or desirable. Welcome to your livable body!

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Minimizer, in a word, yes. But not prevent, just lower the odds of. I don't pretend anything is foolproof. And there's nothing eliminated, but some things greatly reduced from what I had been eating, most notably for me fast food.. There are some people who cut that out a long time ago. But I'll sti...

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Weight loss and health are not necessarily synonymous. It all comes down to whether we're willing to live with the possible consequences. I have come to believe that odds are I won't be as healthy as I'd like if I eat the exact same way I have been, even though I have lost about 20% of my body weigh...

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Bullisaba, you are doing the strategy. Depending on mostly non-sweet foods eaten at meals for pleasure and sustenance. Give it a year or two before you expect to be sane about former insane foods. Sooner than that is just luck, no insult intended to the lucky ones. And you can have derivates of the ...

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The attachment to those bites on S days comes and goes. I did find a bite of a Christmas cookie in the freezer this weekend and popped it in. It was my only sweet. But I could have gone without. Remembering that I've had plenty of days just grazing helps, not as a dagger hanging over my head, but ju...

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If everyone else was doing it, you wouldn't have to keep it straight. And everyone would be watching!

It sounds like people basically went vegan for a fair amount of the year.

It occurred to me today that the people who sell the eliminated foods must have really taken a hit during fasting times.

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I suggest you just keep nodding and smiling, while secretly thinking you'll wait to see their results in two years- the time by which most people who've "gone on a diet" weigh more than when they started. 8) And you get to have what you want, besides sweets, at EVERY meal, though you may eventually ...

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I got curious about Greek Orthodox "fasting," which I think another member here toyed with at a time I couldn't even think about it, in some reading about the Mediterranean diet, the supposed "real" one, not the more widespread contemporary one. This will make Vanilla look like a piece of cake- on S...

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What's the pie part?

Cheese is considered one of the ten most "addictive" foods, so you are not alone. And as time goes on and possibly your motivations change, even that may become easier to be moderate with.

No matter what, I hope you enjoy every bite!

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I posit that if it isn't relatively easy, the motivations are not clear or the belief in the problem or remedy is shaky. I have to try not to guffaw when people say they want to be as healthy as possible. That would probably mean a much bigger change than most are willing to make. How about as healt...

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Long live thwarting WTH!

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It's been 2 years? Can't believe it! You are about on track for some wobbling and new adjustments to the regime. Two years is the minimum for decreasing chances of relapse, and five is better. It's pretty typical for people to go through phases of struggling again. The lucky/motivated? ones keep adj...

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I hadn't even seen your email of 12:17 until just now! Kismet.

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Okay, I'm behind, but WHAT woman? I feel like I've missed a few months of Downton Abbey. WHAT is in that jar with the chia pudding and mango/banana cream on the link you gave? Those brownish flake-like things? That looks incredible! And Linda, does Oh She Glows have any tapioca recipes? I've read it...

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I think it depends on when or whether you're "ready." This is rarely brought on just to "lose weight." Concentrating on the ill effects you'd like to avoid is often very helpful, especially if they are real and not just trumped up. Many are those who made overnight turnarounds because they became co...

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I was just catching up! I'll wait to comment until we hear from you again.

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What's the difference between a chin up and a pull up? They both sound impressive. And yes, pull ups are harder, I'd say, for women at least, than not eating S's. I think it's easier to NOT do things than to do things. I've been able to NOT eat many times over the years but replacing the eating with...

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Oh, I'm curious about what diet detours you took after you first tried No S. Are you willing to talk about them? No worries if you'd rather leave the past in the past.

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Good thing I didn't buy, unless I had been smart enough to get out in a few weeks. But I probably wouldn't have just out of principle. I let my mutual funds do my dirty work for me.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik ... olumn.html

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Your attitude sounds good. Not too much drama about the failures. Rational reflection about what to do in the future. I think concentrating on the plates alone is a great strategy. The refinements will come later, esp. if it becomes very clear what you think the advantages are to make them. Sugar is...

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I feel like I've done well, though I haven't been keeping good records, and what I've done well on are changes I've targeted that aren't No S. In some ways, I've traded success on those for failures on No S, but I see the trend is in the direction I want. I've also done better with exercise this mon...

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I hope that no news is good news...

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I think if they hadn't found it was positively correlated, they wouldn't have included it. But the swap may be the explanation. I don't know if her work included many people who ate no animal flesh at all. They are exceptions in the world near and far. No Blue Zone regions are completely vegetarian.

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OMgosh, I was just thinking about how much I used to read diet books while I ate either brownie batter or cookie dough. I've been looking at cooking and recipes lately, and feeling a bit the same. I'm not overdoing the eating regularly, but am not doing much cooking, either! It's more like food porn...

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Just caught up with this. Congrats on the continued success! I thought I might be coming to India in fall of 2016, but it looks like it will be at least another year. Still depending on Patak's and Ashoka's brands, among others, for my Indian food. They flavor a lot of things that aren't usually on ...

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MaggieMae, I hope Venus Index didn't send you down into a spiral. Just know many more people have lived quite well with No S-type meal-based eating and NO knowledge of calories. No S is about beating the odds here by playing the odds of the success of millions.

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What is spaghetti pie?

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Well, it's unlikely your weight gain is fat, if that makes a difference to you. The body doesn't usually react that fast to relatively slight variations in calorie increases. Glycogen has more water in it than fat does. And it sounds like the extras helped you either not obsess or eat even more. But...

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My inner three-year-old would have had a lot more than 4 cookies. But I know what you mean.

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Certainly no obligation. Some people "get it" and get on with their life! I envy that.

Warmest wishes, and welcome any time.

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That was definitely a victory.

How is it going? Is no news good news? Don't be shy if it's not. It sometimes takes several runs at the fence to get over it.

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I would have to eat just a few bites at any meal to be hungry three or four hours later. But glad the 8-hour window is working. Might try it with 2 meals after I retire.

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It's not a big loss not to keep them around, as there are other lovely foods that don't have the same effect. And no shame, either. Big deal. If you really want candy bars, and aren't willing to go wild with them- I was-have some under controlled circumstances to start. Then see if they are worth it...

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I have such a similar history! Though it took me longer to get to the low obese range, but I was there for a few years, and didn't have my turnaround until I was in my mid-50's. I went through a period before committing to No S in which I didn't try to change anything. I pretty much realized I wasn'...

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I wanna talk about it! Or imagine it was pretty good.

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I love No S, but I have to say that is a really fast start, especially when you don't have much to lose. It must have hit all the right spots for you- so glad! BTW, I just read recently that it's estimated that weight loss is about 80% diet and 20% exercise, so your experience fits. Your routine sou...

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Keep going!

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Linda, I toy with the idea of leaving out the chicken eventually, but it is interesting that it is one of the foods the researchers found a correlation with in reducing Alzheimer's. Notice that it is in the added column, not the limit column, but I am going to aim for just two times a week, when I a...

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Queenie, M was for Monday and the number was for the servings. Not doing so great keeping up the recording and it's now Thursday!

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Is it possible by some trick to create a table in Word and transfer it to my thread, then be able to x mark boxes to keep track of certain foods eaten? I know, it's pretty involved for No S. I may just have to do it on one of my desktops, but got three devices now!

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