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My "mods" but still at meals Green leafy vegetables (like spinach and salad greens): At least six servings a week M x2 Other vegetables: At least one a day Mx 3 Nuts: Five servings a week Mx2 Berries: Two or more servings a week Mx0 Beans: At least three servings a week Mx.5 Whole grains: Three or m...

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Maybe BECAUSE it knows it doesn't have to be forever?

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You said, "I've been thinking about how easy it is in our culture to overeat (and/or permasnack!) and not even realize it. I feel like NoS gives me a framework for understanding what's enough and what's too much for me." Isn't it fantabulous for that? Yes yes yes! It's not just our culture; nearly E...

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Welcome! Didn't read every post but I think I got the gist. :lol: I imagine over time your plates will look different, either rather naturally or by design and possibly sooner than later. That is likely where the difference will be made. I get the sense that you don't have much to lose, possibly non...

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Welcome! I came to No S six years ago after decades of troubled eating that only got worse even after some temporary reprieves. I was exposed to similar ideas at about your age, but not the mix of N and S days that helped me so much, nor to the idea that it wouldn't damage me to be legitimately hung...

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Welcome back! Curious to know what you will do if you do get hungry halfway through between lunch time and dinner time. Have you had experience with lasting from breakfast to dinner? Sometimes two-meal says sound interesting to me, but it's never worked out consistently on work days. Might try it in...

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2016 is going well, it looks like. Yay!

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I've been avoiding posting because I feel I have a lot to say but don't allot the time. Will just say briefly that I've been grappling with several issues that I have let affect my eating. I THINK I'm coming to some conviction. I was attracted for awhile to Trim Healthy Mama partly because an old me...

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Interesting to see how it takes only a few check-ins for you. I'm still addicted to the topic! Glad you are able to watch nutrition and not get too crazy. I think when it's attached to something reasonable, like to support running or some other pursuit not necessarily attached to vanity, it helps. W...

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No "confession" needed! Just thoughtful reflection. Well done! For the first year, I ate many times more S's than that on weekends. Doesn't mean you have to; just means overages happen and may be part of the process. I honestly couldn't stand the idea of cutting back, but for anyone who is ready- an...

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RE: chocolate. Gotta keep things in perspective.

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You asked for advice and feedback. I can tell you from six years on this board, that, yes, people do find it challenging, and it often backfires. I wish there was a way to gather all the posts of people who regret modifying the plan without having adhered to the basics first for several months. I"m ...

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I humbly suggest to be careful about moving S days around prematurely. It starts using mental energy and bargaining- trading this day for that- that the program is meant to avoid. Might be good to establish a pattern first, then modify. I didn't even notice the other thread until after I wrote my pr...

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Work affects my routine. I was thinking about this today. It's been an advantage, mostly. I eat breakfast sometime between 6:15 a.m. and 7:15, with coffee on the ride to work. I'm a teacher, so lunch is determined by the school schedule: 12:40-1:10 p.m..(So glad it's not an hour earlier, as many sch...

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I seem to remember your being a bit miffed at other plateaus. But higher. So the trend is downward. My fluctuation is similar. Every time I get lower for a bit, I rebound. I guess this is an easy weight for my body to maintain. Since I'm not willing to eat much less, much much different, and move mu...

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I think if a person is not willing to work with an eating coach for IE for a couple of years, honestly, her odds aren't very good. How can I tell? If you look at the rest of the WORLD, people in countries that never dieted, that now have access to more food and especially processed food, are getting...

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Kittson, I've been a member for years but have disabled all the emails from them and the two guys and the jillions of other people they try to sell you on. I keep the workout manual just in case I get a bug after I retire and have more time on my hands. But I found it through Brad Pilon and even tho...

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I can't remember when I put that counting plates in my signature line. It was probably after I succumbed to some mod that wasn't propelled from the right place for me and ended up leading to a big swerve. One of them that I actually paid for was SO against my "religion" I can't believe it: the Venus...

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Does that make it a little like key lime pie?

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Just wanted to report that I don't get hungry before bed after dinner no matter what time I eat dinner- well, as long as it's after 5 p.m. and it's a real dinner, not just salad. In fact, I never got legitimately hungry even in the beginning. But the HABIT of eating often made me think I was hungry....

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Maybe you could have said, No, vegetarians welcome every body! Isn't that great? Or maybe she meant that vegetarians often look scrawny and you look robust and full of life! My mother calls this thinking up a fast answer slowly. I have actually gotten to the point at which I feel a little sorry for ...

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If you don't have a relatively easy way to fit walking in consistently, a counter can be very helpful. Habit theory says that recording the target bx success is useful. That said, once you get your routines down, or the feeling associated with more consistent movement, outside tracking probably beco...

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Congrats on 9 years and counting! Not to mention having maintained a decline in weight. AND very likely much improved nutrition. You are in such a good place to keep laying the foundation for your later years (a big concern for this 62-year-old). You are so lucky to have nipped the habits in the bud...

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Things any better? Got no excuse on this end in SoCal, and thankfully, infractions have been minor over the last week.

It's never too late to have a sane rest of the day.

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Those are worthy movement replacements, SF. Very much in keeping with using what's at hand. Exercise does more for longevity than just about anything! And it's about 20% influential in weight loss. It plus No S, I believe, will solve 80% of the degenerative disease problems. This I write will plunke...

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Just wanted to reinforce your resolve by reporting that Dr. Yoni Freedhoff, obesity specialist, insists in his book The Diet Fix (why diets fail, etc.) that eradicating guilt over eating and weight is crucial. This doesn't mean a person can't be thoughtful and reflective. Also, try not to mix up the...

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I imagine you did a lot of lifting and getting up and down living in a tent and moving the contents of your house. Functional counts!

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Full disclosure: I eat a lot of lettuces, by choice. Just with other stuff!

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Has it really been a year and a half since you posted on this thread? Good for you! I don't spend quite as much time here now, but I'm still on Spark a fair amount and I still spend a lot of time browsing the net on these issues- acquiring habits, which often involves dealing with failure and thus o...

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Nearly everyone eats when not really hungry. The difference is frequency amount, and dependence. Feeling guilt for it is part of the cycle and subconsciously makes you feel you've done your penance so you can sin again. It's become part of the habit of eating that food and perpetuates the later repe...

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Sure, that could happen, but the problem is that it's so much less predictable. That's okay, in my book. No S to me is much more about achieving moderation by dealing with appetite from the inside out. That doesn't necessarily come in a linear way. Even when traditional dieters steel themselves to a...

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Fantastic! Keep enjoying your meals. If you aren't getting what you want in a few more months, don't leave without telling us! You don't want to be someone who gets impatient, goes and tries a bunch of other things and comes back wishing s/he'd just hung in there.

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Haven't read the whole thread but will comment anyway! I think I've said before and will again that I feel a little bad talking about this because my thoughts run counter to some expressed-very briefly- in the No S book. I wonder if anyone has studied the difference between the pressure of cultural ...

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Note these two sources regarding a rise in life expectancy AFTER the onset of increased sugar and snack consumption AND obesity in the U.S. http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0005140.html Life expectancy started to go up even more in the 70's even though weight increased. But perhaps this helps explain ...

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Thanks! I meant to add that I believe anyone with a PRESENT health condition needs to put that ahead of any other concern no matter what day of the week it is. I pray for them that they have the strength and clarity to do that. Even though partial efforts may bring good results, the ante goes up wit...

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As Reinhard says in the book, it's likely not the added sugars that are the BIG problem. Unless a person's reason to completely eliminate sugar is very high-and for most of us, it is NOT- it's adding an unnecessary burden to the process. This woman admitted she did it for rather casual reasons. (It'...

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Dunno if this thread might get more tech answers. I don't know how to do anything but take pictures on my iphone yet.

https://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewforum.php?f=7

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What kind of "off plan" are we talking about?

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Welcome! I hope you'll feel you've found your tribe.

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I agree that No S shouldn't be there. Speed and drama are not its selling points. For the few minutes I watched it, the non-diet approach got trounced because the dieter, a guy who probably would have lost 10 lbs in a week on the Biggest Loser, lost only 1 pound. But we have no idea what his results...

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I did mention her and was thinking of taking a 2-day class with her and 2 others, but it's pretty expensive. I actually bought her book after reading it from the library, and promptly never re-read it. I think a fair amount of my success with No S has been because I have rather routine guidelines of...

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I don't think I've seen this last post and can't even look at it that carefully right now, but wanted to report that a few things came together for me such that I got rid of a truckload of clutter two days ago. AND I've actually got it so that all the stuff I still need to go through, besides teachi...

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I WISH I would get busy with my hands more often during diversion time. I'm not very productive in my diversions, but since I believe overeating is shallow, I figure replacing it even with other shallow stuff is still an improvement.

Hope springs eternal.

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Ah, that sounds different. Smoothies are a lot more than juice. Glad you're having fun.

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I did things analogous to juicing before No S. Things did not end well. Fasting is not as hard as coming off fasting. I don't think I would ever again purposely eat such low calories for more than a few days again, unless I had a specific health goal. (I'm toying with some things now. I've never had...

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I gently suggest that you really try to consider just how bad the experience is. Is it so terrible to think more about S's right after S days? There is value to avoiding triggers but there is also value to experiencing them and resisting. In fact, learning to resist the temptation to be immoderate o...

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I thought one of the most salient points was how he didn't let WTH derail him for long. That is one key idea reported, if I remember correctly, on the National Weight Loss Registry site, among other places.

I hope he joins the few who make it to two years and beyond.

oolala53

Best of health to kitty! Me, too, with depression and anxiety. But they can become separate issues from eating.

Take care and we'll see you when you can drop in.

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There is probably a way to get weight off, but is it livable? I humbly suggest you consider just what dense food at what meal[s] you would be willing to eat less of, and what more activity you would be willing to do, because that is what it would boil down to. I know what it's like to think I'll do ...

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I resist spending money on any more fitness stuff, but I've considered getting Fitbit because I think it might inspire me to do more housework and yard work. I got inspired this weekend and KNOW I burnt up some extra. I'm also interested because of the sleep monitoring, too.

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Maybe that's what I need to grow up.

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Sharon Stone is right, but she's gotten a LOT more approval in life for her looks even without her newfound wisdom than the average bear. But she's really kind of full of herself, IMHO. She dissed being on Law and Order and I thought she was the worst actor in the whole cast. I think the story line ...

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If you have definite health reasons to limit your food types, go to it! I sometimes wish I had such incentives, but more like St. Augustine. ("Oh, Master, make me chaste and celibate - but not yet!") But it really seems a lot of people get in trouble when they try to impose those restrictions withou...

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When I finally accepted that nothing was really as convenient and easy as food for a quick lift, I was able to stop expecting a straight swap.

Hope you make it to Friday, Merry.

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Noel, I used to believe that I would actually do damage to myself by denying myself food instead of putting up with the thoughts and bodily sensations. I thought the desire would just keep building and I would eat even more. Or I would think, we'll I can get what I want right now, and I can't feel b...

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What do I do now? Well, I wouldn't say I handle it well, but I don't often eat anymore. I started being more willing to suffer the anger discomfort at the moment than the overeating discomfort later. I try to use as many soothing/diffusing techniques as I can, but just like the urges to eat, it's of...

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Mitchell, that happens for me sometimes, too.

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Welcome home! Perhaps consider keeping track of your waistline rather than your weight. I doubt your lifting regime would increase that. Besides, for health markers, it is an even better one than weight. If you tend to store fat around your middle, it might take longer for loss to show up there, tho...

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Looking back at my reporting of others saying I was thin or had lost weight over the years. I didn't mention that I view these statements ambivalently. Our culture glorifies discipline and thinness so much that it's hard not to feel a little gratified. But I still question the emphasis on this as an...

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My impression is that dieticians are more realistic than you'd think. But it's possible the palpitations are not specific-food related.

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Just sticking to a limit of eating events will lead in the right habit direction.

It's very possible to still eat a lot of fat eating vegetarian, but you'll find out if it affects other conditions.

Are you not eligible for a referral to a dietician?

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Actually hangry has been around for over nine years . Snickers just brought it to the media. But it reinforces the idea that it can't be managed without eating. And to think using such an item to calm a body down! This is a bit related. I see now that people watching hour upon hour of TV is called b...

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Oh, MM, don't they have the nerve!

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Missed your return. Welcome back. May I humbly say that you have plenty of incentive to use mods early on in this process. I didn't have actual health conditions when I started but I dwelt a LOT on how much I didn't want to feel uncomfortable from eating too much so much of the time. Thin people usu...

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You have your work cut out for you. Please try to be easy on yourself with regard to meal prep. Are you willing to eat veggies? It is so much easier these days to find reasonably priced prepped ones or frozen ones. Get the big bags and put them in zip log bags for the week. Is there a freezer at wor...

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Oh, I browsed a bit more on the Oprah thing and found an article where she reported that she has already DOUBLED her money, as well as losing 15 lbs.

The rich get richer.

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Although I would normally say I wouldn't buy stock in WW, if I had had an idea that this would happen... I guess I could be investing in Phillip Morris. They've made money this year, too. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/oprah-weight-watchers-deal-secret-stay-jail-article-1.2408537 SO...

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S days are ALWAYS available on weekends. The whole point is to have release valves IN CASE the pressure becomes too great. Some people slide right into moderation on weekends; some don't. But week after week of N days is the backbone. Welcome home! The 21 days is because of some habit theory that sa...

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Nice to see you again, FF! I, too, was going along fine when I started to stumble, first on weekdays, then on my S day mods. I even forgot that I lived well with those mods for a couple of years, I think! Well, Roy Baumeister, the king of studying self-regulation said NEVER to assume that not being ...

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The question was whether it's odd, and odd means very much out of the ordinary. I'd say that is odd by almost any standard of people who have any regular access to food. However, it's a moot point if he enjoys the routine and isn't suffering any ill effects. I don't think there is anything inherentl...

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There is a website that allows people to bet on changing a habit or achieving something like weight loss. So many people were losing money by setting unrealistic weight loss goals that the site finally put limits on it! People think that money is a huge motivating factor but it turns out most people...

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I love Indian food, too. Were the iced coffee drinks commercial ones?

I've sometimes felt I was gaining just because I have felt full more often. It hasn't been a reliable feeling for me. Sometimes I have gained and sometimes not! Ah, the mysterious body.

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Your own version of habitcal and very much in keeping with the simplicity of No S. Hope you check in with us periodically.

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It's possible that Oprah might have to eat less and move more than is reasonable to ask to become cosmetic thin. She could be eating and moving moderately and still stay quite overweight since she was once so heavy- people who've lost weight take fewer calories to maintain than those who never did. ...

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It happens, Merry! Just get back in the swing of things, and don't be fooled by any urges to deviate, if they crop up.

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Hi, Girl! Yes, moderation must be in the eye of the beholder. How many hours will it take you to walk those 16 miles each day? If I'm a tourist, I try to get a few hours of walking in each day. Or doing day hikes . This sounds like it might be analogous to that. But I don't think I've done it so con...

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You might be able to get this one from a library: http://www.amazon.com/Brain-Lock-Yourself-Obsessive-Compulsive-Behavior/dp/0060987111 BOB is good, too, but very different. It is basically her experience. I think the guilt comes afterwards for the most part and is related to body judgment, though o...

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NINE trays? Oh, I can only dream.

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I got the idea from reading a book about obsessive compulsive disorder. I thought, well, I seem to be obsessed with eating often and sometimes A LOT; let me see what they say about people who feel compelled to do other unnecessary behaviors. The therapists taught a process to clients and found over ...

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I actually learned a lot about what kinds of meals were satisfying to me on WW, but all their talk of low -fat and sugar-free and all the "tricks" drove me nuts. I hear they are a lot less point-focused and more well-being focused now. But I won't be going to any meetings to find out.

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I'll have the sprouts with it.

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Six years in and I still don't bake! My hat is off to you.

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I may just be insensitive, but I think there is often nor more rhyme and reason to that kind of eating overage, where you just go from one thing to another, than that our limbic system wire gets tripped and off we go, especially if we've done it before. It's just an old pattern. I listen to people o...

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Just curious: what S will you have on the 23rd?

i think you're safe, too.

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I love how the ads at the bottom of the page are all for Danish cookies!

Oh, wondrous internet!

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This is a tough time of year to have to take stock. You've still done well to be where you are. Hope you can use knowing how much you've done right to get here to reinspire you to be moderate for the rest of the season. That is a great first step anyway. Be proud and keep going!

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You are helping me remember when things were just sailing along on No S. They aren't terrible now, but just not as automatic. I'm revving up my desire to get back there!

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A belated welcome back from Hawaii. Must seem like ages ago. Isn't it great how we can fill up on things besides food on a trip? And have a good time even without the perfect body! I'm so glad the weight loss pressure is off. And that you're enjoying your meals. AND that you got that great call from...

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Both very reasonable things to NOT like.

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Consider the option of possibly one really "full" meal per day. Give a lot of attention to how much better you feel between meals to compensate for some of the fun of eating more at more meals. Let's hope there are some great soups or appetizers! Other than this wrinkle, sounds like a great trip! An...

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I lived overseas when the first Star Wars came out so I've never seen it on a big screen. A teacher was showing it at work on the last day of the semester. It looked like it held up pretty well! I'll see this one in a theater. I gave up the habit of having movie food years ago, even before No S, UNL...

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Maybe you can think of the small slips as weaning yourself off WTH for now. When you feel more stable with small ones, you can aim to wean yourself off them, too. Intermittent reinforcement takes longer to overcome, but it's been shown to be effective in the long run. Comes from the concept of harm ...

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Merry, just to say, I'm pretty sure eating a light or not eating breakfast has been shown to be highly correlated with after-dinner eating. Not sure if it's just psychosomatic or not. Might be worth an experiment. But the bottom line is probably mostly just plain old willpower until it gets easier. ...

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Plus sip peppermint or Good Earth Sweet and Spicy tea.

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Gotta love this part, though it contradicts what Judith Beck claims about weekends. Maybe it's because the dieters were eating too often in between. Researchers gave some of the time-restricted mice a respite on weekends, allowing them free access to high-fat meals for these two days. These mice had...

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Also interesting was the concept that for those not doing manual labor, two meals is enough. I've thought this for awhile, but am not willing to try it out consistently until I'm retired.

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I like this excerpt best. Note that both agree on the subordinate details, as does the larger universe of nutrition experts. All variants on the theme of optimal eating reliably exclude manufactured trans fats, and are low in total saturated fat- if only by virtue of the foods they emphasize. They a...

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I"ve missed a lot of this but will jump in. Consider changing your username, at least on the inside, to "slow bites." :) Keep your motivation front and center, though I recommend it be more about your physical vitality and pep than a cosmetic goal. That way, you can feel the payoff just about every ...

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Not sure if you meant you thought you should move your S days according to your work schedule, so that they changed often. I recommend against that. If necessary, possibly have one floater and one on a Saturday or Sunday. Though I'm also in the camp of having at least 4 days in a row with no sweets,...

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Is Sunday rum cake baking day?

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