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Or you may decide the cravings are worth the pleasure of the item. What do you think makes it taste sweet? I'm not a purist, but I'd want to know if there was any artificial sweetening. I might still choose it; I just like to know. Check the sugar content-not carbohydrate, but sugar specificallly. I...

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My gosh, I know someone who won! Congrats! How much could YOU have been overeating before to lose 25 lbs. in 12 weeks? I thought you were already basically NO S-ing. I can't imagine how much more I would have to cut down to do that. I doubt it would be a way I could live forever. Although if my sche...

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Oh. Makes sense. No English biscuits! American biscuits saved me many times in the beginning from eating real sweets later or from eating a heavy snack before dinner...

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So funny you say this as my $15 flip phone has been on the blink, and I really need to surrender to a smart phone. A friend who just recently made the switch said she's happy she went straight to the iPhone! But she doesn't lose things. I have an iMac., so... oh, I hate this dickering! Being good at...

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Got it.

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Next time, just lots of biscuits, but on a plate. Still green per No S! Veganism is another issue altogether. It sounds like you are actually transitioning to being a vegan, if you are still choosing to eat non-vegan foods, so you are actually working on two major eating changes at once. I was worki...

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I'd wager that if your morning hunger occurs in 3 hours or less, you could use more fat or food in general at breakfast. If it happens 1 or 2 hours before lunch time, well...you're hungry for lunch. Rejoice! I agree that afternoon cravings are more mental, more the search for pleasure as an antidote...

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I think on my second serious try, which took, I started on a Friday on a little vacation. It worked out well! I used to live in Iran. I have to say I saw a few chunky people, but not in the numbers that we have. And yes, they eat a MOUNTAIN of rice at a meal. It would make a paleo diet eater cry. I ...

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Actually, here are some pics. I think 2012 was the peak so far. But this is all without a lot of the eating protocols often called for. BTW, I think this kind of physique is totally unnecessary. The only reason I occasionally look at his stuff is exactly because he sounds like he is pretty chill abo...

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To your question: YES! (perhaps you should consider changing your name to mustchangehabits? :)) I DO think it's okay to give up the goal of losing weight, even advisable, while NOT giving up the sanity of No S and regular, moderate exercise. Whole populations live long lives on similar regimes. You ...

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Welcome home.

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Consider reading some of Brad Pilon's work. My understanding is that he lifts heavy while fasting. You should see how his physique has changed over the years from lifting and two 24-hour fasts a week. I'm not advocating his plan over No S. He and some of his training buddies, who also market their o...

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So sorry to hear of the end of your studio. And that's a lot of activity to have end. I haven't been able to make myself do much exercise no matter how much I read of its importance. It's rather ironic. I guess I keep thinking something ELSE is going to shake me out of my denial and then I'll do it....

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Though data in the US does seem to show that regular weighing correlates to lower weights, it's also not recommended in many eating disorder/body image improvement programs. And members of the slim cultures in the world don't know how much they weigh. Not weighing demands a different kind of honesty...

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BTW, I've read that it is typical for Italians to have a sweet at breakfast time, something we might usually think of as a dessert. But they don't necessarily have desserts every day at other meals. And they don't snack. Or at least this used to be true. As some of us drop snacking, it's intruding i...

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Consider measuring your progress by how much you enjoy your meals and get better at negotiating the gaps between them. Then fit will be just icing on the cake.

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One step at a time. Though interestingly, in Judith Beck's program from a few years ago, one of the first steps even before dieting was to sit down to eat (day 3) and to savor every bite of food (slow down and be mindful, day 5) . Those were skill she said a person should use from then on out. I gue...

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A great way to live the second half of life.

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Sounds like a plan! I have some 8" plates that are meant for salad or dessert, I think, and they do look weird with a meal on them. I sometimes use them for lunch but can't bring myself to use them for dinner. THAT makes me feel like I'm on a diet. I know people claim that was standard size, but I h...

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I wouldn't test myself quite like that very often, even after a few years, though I do push the envelope other ways. (Judith Beck advocates using the motto No Choice for sticking to one's plan. It's the dickering with ourselves that wears us out. But I still do it sometimes, too.) Curious why you tr...

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BTW, nosnacker has "defected" to a diet: Trim Healthy Mama. She's very happy about it. It has been only a few months, but she's finally below 190 and very glad. It turns out that she was still trying to eat rather low fat on No S and overdoing it with refined carbs. THM advocates "healthy" fats and ...

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You can't really control what other people think of you. Your husband's weight does not mean he does not have health problems nor negative effects from eating poor quality food. But that's for him to deal with. Do you think your husband is judging you for your weight and health measures? He may not ...

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I live alone, too. Make it easy to have vegetables. Buy frozen and the easiest raw ones to start. Aim to have about half your plate covered with a combination of the two, plus a piece of fruit, no matter what is on the other side, home cooked or not, for most lunches and dinners, eventually. Ease in...

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First off, do you have symptoms of any health problems? If yes, do your best to take the advice of a good dietician. If you have a real, present health problem, ask for a consultation with one. Most doctors are not actually qualified to give much advice in this area. If you don't have a present cond...

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It really seems that for many of us, being fed regularly with good, pleasurable food eventually sates us so well that the natural sweetness of some foods is enough most of the time. But it sometimes takes a little epiphany to realize it. Sounds like your maintenance is much like No S is to start- an...

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Such nice going, Cookie! Sounds relative carefree, which is a blessing. I think this may be the last piece in the puzzle for you.

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I think I got that from some obscure Emily Dickinson writings...

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I hope you meant since you read some of this threaD, not threat.

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Lyra, if it helps to think of this, it is likely you get even more habit-busting when you hold out when it IS hard. That's what teaches your body that THAT particular stimulus to eat is not going to get rewarded anymore. It can't learn it when the stimulus isn't there! A strategy that helps seal tha...

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Being really, really fed up CAN work. Almost everyone has felt that way at times only to have it fade. It often must be summoned again when overeating or permasnacking sound good again. Remembering that if we keep eating the way we were, that we'll keep being dissatisfied is integral. I put somethin...

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I've continued to be able to spend afternoon time decluttering and organizing. I had stuff pulled out in the driveway yesterday when my next door neighbor dropped by. He commented on how much I had accomplished, as he had seen what it was like before. I have a two-car garage (tight fit) and a little...

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Maybe those two pounds are your proper range.

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eschano, from what I've been reading lately, I believe now that a sizable number of people are not going to be able to lose large amounts of weight even if they eat moderate meals. I'm not saying no one will or that most won't lose some; they obviously have and will, but it's more tricky than though...

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Thanks, dandelion. I was surprised to find out a couple of years ago that a man I know who works at a private school gets paid quite well. Of course, the pension plan is not as generous, but he deals with fewer kids. Still, I felt it was too late in my career to make the change, especially because I...

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kwerp, just wanted to say that it shows some wisdom, IMHO, that you see that this is closer to eating like a "normal" person than IE is. AT least, the normal slim person. If you look at world stats, overeating IS normal. When most populations get easy access to food, as most of the world does now, t...

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Congrats on your three weeks and your insight.

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Fingers crossed.

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I hope you enjoy every bite!

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I honestly feel like I still want to work at SOMETHING; I just don't know what it is. I find myself browsing career materials the way I did before I just gave in and got my credential. I'm just pretty sure I DON'T want to teach public school anymore. I'm SICK of trying to solve those problems. Actua...

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I wrote much longer comment, but will send the rest of it to you privately. Blithe Morning's husband's bout with counting calories is typical, not the exception, even though a percentage of successful maintainers do count. But most people quit doing it. Do not be swayed by present success unless it ...

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Saw your comment about possibly having to limit what's on your plate. I gently suggest that if you aren't legitimately hungry 1-2 hours before your meals, it would probably be good to decrease the volume of dense foods and increase the volume of freggies slowly. If you are stomach-empty hungry alrea...

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Competitors often train by drinking great volumes of water at a time and eating low calorie, high water content foods (lettuce, cabbage, etc.) to get their stomachs used to it. Their stomachs can increase 4x as much as the average person's. They also practice relaxing the muscles that allow them to ...

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Yeah, baby! I just love not worrying about whether I have access to food for a snack. Among other things.

See you on July 25th.

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Hurray! I wrote a much longer comment but will send it to you separately. I actually almost started crying when I read this. It is hard not to think a little of what my life might have been like if I had just committed to No S-like sanity and consistent moderate exercise back in college instead of t...

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I gently suggest you consider adding a tad more fat at meals. It might help make up for what your body may feel it's missing from added sugars, if they were rather important. Then again, your idea that it's a phase is good, too. Those neural patterns seem to have a mind of their own! When conditions...

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It takes a lot longer than a few weeks to overcome WTH. Don't think something's wrong! You'll add unnecessary suffering if you think it's supposed to be automatic too soon. Work on it as long as it takes. Besides having rock hard reasons to want to eat moderately, it is probably THE most important s...

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It really takes several months to change the appetite. That is what you are working on here. Changes in appetite lead to weight loss that is sustained. You are also working on discipline. The discipline you develop over several months will serve you if you decide to make your plan more limited. Try ...

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It's old news to rag on restaurant offerings, but still I went to a place last night at which some of the waitresses wear T-shrits that say "Excesstacy." They had 1-lb burgers served with cheese AND a fried egg. Nearly every side was fried. I actually wouldn't have minded splitting one of the smalle...

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I'd be wary of changing S days, but I know people have done it. I'd be afraid it would have me eating more S's than I really need. So can you not have the favorite chips at home to have a portion of at meals? Oh, that conversation is so true. Even though I have proven so many times that it's an even...

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That BMI could easily take you through a long life of health. You are lighter than I was when I started the dieting mess decades ago because I wanted to lose ten pounds. Oh, how I wish all I had aimed for was sane eating ala No S or something similar! And consistent moderate exercise. You are going ...

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I've finally been doing some yard work that I've neglected for a few years! It's inspiring me to know that it helps meet my goal to be on my feet for at least three hours of the day. I don't have to be working hard the whole time, but grappling with an overgrown bougainvillea isn't cake! Worth it. I...

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Just browsed back through and saw your weight is about the same as it was two years ago. I know your goal weight was lower, but maintaining is still good news, in my book. And you said 125 was in your normal BMI range, so this isn't far off. It is so hard in this culture to keep body image and expec...

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That actually sounds much like No S with appropriate mods for you. Great!

And the therapy for food issues usually boils down to other stuff anyway. Not to say that people who don't overeat don't have their own dramas to deal with. I'm glad it's helping.

Warmest wishes!

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It is hard to distinguish cravings from needs. I myself have gotten to the point at which I have sweets around only on weekends and only for specific events. I can justify it because I live alone in a very small place, so space in fridge and cupboards is at a premium. I don't like thinking I can't h...

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Habit theory says to celebrate improvements! Good going on small amounts. Next time, you will skip them.

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Since I haven't weighed 119 since I was 13 years old, it sounds pretty darn good.

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I appreciate the sentiment. I'm just experimenting again with just having sweets when alone, but I am hoping it won't take going back to how it used to be. Wild S days didn't go away on their own ever. I gave it two years, then got tired of waiting and instituted mods that made the difference I hope...

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Please, please, please avoid the mistakes of our youth! Wanting fast weight loss is one of them, though if it comes with reasonable habits, it's fine. Hating your body is another mistake, and often leads to even worse eating habits. Try to be patient with where you are right now for awhile more. Wha...

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A week is not long enough to measure how a LONG TERM solution is working. Remember that the losses you read of people having in the beginning have rarely been sustained for a year or more. How quickly or slowly you lose will depend on a lot of factors. Please take our advice and look for other measu...

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Hope you're having a better Sunday. "Sometimes" is one of the harder lessons for some of us.

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I started S days with pancakes for weeks! I'd been over it for a long time, but just had them today! Still love 'em.

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Weird as it sounds, I may have to go back to allowing myself wild S days. We'll see. I haven't had one green week in over a year, and have gained. I"ve put off updating my signature line because I kept thinking it was temporary, but the truth is the truth. However, not today!

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Just to let you know, in case you didn't, a person can add two S days per month to accommodate birthdays, holidays or other infrequent events, IF desired. There is no obligation! But it's a nice safety valve. It is recommended that they are planned ahead of time and not just declared as a way to avo...

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It can take a while to find the balance, and by a while, I mean several months to a year. So what? That's the same amount of time in which most people have gone on and off a diet and gained all the weight back, not really having changed anything. This is really more about weaning yourself off extra ...

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Hear, hear.

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Exactly! But even then, eventually, many meals at the same time of day are going to resemble each other in general make up. IE has worked for all sorts of people, but I'm pretty sure its success RATE is still pretty small. It may be how some slim individuals eat, but it's just not the way population...

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During the school year, our lunch (I'm a teacher) starts at 12:40 p.m., which is lucky; many schools break an hour earlier. Between sessions I aim for between 1 and 2. I still often get that antsy, snacky feeling, though. But I agree 1 is better.

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Welcome! I'd say you didn't think of it because the idea that we should be able to eat whenever the whim strikes us is pretty ingrained! And there is food all over the place ready to be satisfy the urge. But you're right that it really does make sense that no one starves eating three meals a day. No...

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Gotta warn you: it's possible to keep failing even when not berating oneself. I speak from recent experience. I, too, know I just have to last through the urge to the next meal. It's only a few hours. SEEMS longer, but that's an illusion. Onwards!

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Got inspired because it's light out early to get a lot of branches chopped up and in the trash before the collectors came. Spent about 90 minutes on my feet. Awesome! I think I"m making headway in the garage and extra room, too. Not a lot of stuff is gone, but I'm realizing it will be when I take th...

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Hey, I got some decluttering done today. Thought I was going to be able to fill up a trash bin, but didn't. I"m still pretty glad for what I did get done. Also did some hard-core trimming of a bougainvillea gone wild in my yard. I didn't get all of it chopped up and ready for the trash, but that's o...

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Thank you so much for the complete response! I have to say that I was never surprised by weight piling on me. I was very aware that I kept eating and eating and eating. Always feeling that I didn't want to be doing it. And yet compelled by the taste and texture. I bet you know what I'm talking about...

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I meant to ask, had you ever "dieted" before? Why do you think you didn't feel much deprivation from eating less? Not saying it was always easy, but it sounds like there hasn't been much drama for you. I have a theory that less previous dieting means less present drama...

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Welcome and congrats! It's pretty hard to be a low-carb vegetarian, I think... not impossible, but quite limited. Glad you allow more variety. So white flour, breads, and pastas were a big part of your Indian cuisine? Do you make your own chapatis? Glad you found that watching your bites for awhile ...

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Embarrassment of riches. I can imagine. People really need to sort before they give things away to individuals. But I hope you'll be glad you have what you kept.

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I misspoke. One half (side) of the plate is freggies; the other side is anything else. (OR vice versa) I would assume that means protein and starch, or a dish that combines them, much as you choose, it sounds like. Half of your plate is protein and starch; half is freggies. Some people using Wansink...

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Brian Wansink in his most recent book Slim by Design recommends that people fill their plate with half cooked and raw veggies and fruit, then the other half whatever they want. He says people can have more, but they have to stick to half the volume of freggies of whatever more they eat; he claims it...

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Could have sworn I made a schedule post with days I had been compliant recently. Oh, well. I'm giving myself credit for exercise yesterday, even though it was an S day. I need to pat myself on the back whenever I can.

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zippadee and mrsj, I see a lotta green! Nice going. I don't do well with just updating a post usually, but I'll set it up and then I might submit separate posts. I'm a bit motivated because it is almost 100 days until my 62nd birthday. I'm actually more interested in getting an activity habit going,...

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Just in case you want it, here's the link to the 21-day thread here on EverydaySystems. http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=173&start=700 BTW, don't know if you've ever heard of Brad Pilon. I'm not a fan of intermittent fasting, but he's made quite a name for himself with it. And he's a bo...

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Here's a link to Jewlorry. Looks funny to me, too.
http://everydaysystems.com/bb/search.ph ... r=Jewlorry

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Oh, yes, take the S days, if you want the S's. If we start trading off S days because we've been failing on N days, it messes with the habit. It actually helps to feel that N days are our best chance to establish eating sanity, just like eventually our plates have to support our long term goals.

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Dale, I'm glad you think it's a lot of nuts for 100 calories. I'm pretty sure most people down a lot more of them at a time than these servings, though. And often mindlessly just popping them in. But I agree that it doesn't take much when added to a meal to improve texture and satiety. And they feel...

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The trainer on "your" program, eschano, is Jesse Pavelka, the newest trainer on Biggest Loser. He's the one who was kinder but his people kept getting booted off for not losing enough weight! I LOVED him, and not just because he is heart-palpatatingly gorgeous. I read an interview with him and he sa...

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When I used to surrender to watching some infomercial on an exercise system for weight loss, I spent most of my time silently talking to the screen about how they don't show how important the dietary changes were for the successes. People will say all kinds of laudatory things when asked to be on ca...

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Getting SoCal to cooperate with enough rain might be a problem. Though apparently there's a good chance we are in for El Nino next winter.

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Your plan for dealing with your visit sounds good. I think the most important part, though, is continuing to give attention to how much better you feel just sticking to what you eat now. In the end, people keep to new regimes that make them feel better and aren't too much trouble overall for that re...

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I opened up a big container on my deck and found that it had leaked in the last rain. Water damage can sure make it easier to let go of things that had seemed essential before. There were also stacks of papers that I would normally have filed or shredded. (My place is only 498 sq. ft, so I sometimes...

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Because No S is about trying to train your eye, I thought for some it might be helpful to get a sense of what size serving of nuts might be appropriate to add to your plate. I know we're not about calories, but still. http://www.thekitchn.com/a-visual-guide-to-100-calories-of-nuts-snack-tips-from-th...

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jcourtney, I've written you a separate longer note. Suffice it to say here that a few fails doesn't mean it's not going to kick in. Do your best to have a two green days before the weekend. Remember that it's often just a matter of getting through a couple of hours before the next meal. You can do it!

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Got moderate intensity exercise in. No S fails.

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Just to say, I've had sleep problems for over 20 years and have never found that getting little sleep led to real hunger. It might make me antsy and want to pick (I felt that a lot much of my life after age 10, sleep problems or not) but not stomach-empty hunger. I empathize if you do, though. Nothi...

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But it's gotta be okay to NOT be a stunner, too. Just like No S, get a routine down and forget about it.

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S day eating.

Got my exercise in. That's my bigger issue these days.

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I"m a big fan of adding nuts for fat/satiety, though I'm more likely to use walnuts/ almond butter/pecans. For some reason, I want more and more peanuts, but not the other nuts. If they hit the spot for you, that's perfect! Plenty of room for our own preferences. I suspect those women eating very li...

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Yes, it does seem that a lot of people eat less than we think. I've been browsing information on longevity zones in the world. In Ikaria, Greece, the women average only about 1100 calories a day, with a variation of +/- 470 calories. Minus 470! And that's with daily exercise. Those must be some very...

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Thanks! BTW, welcome back after the typical detours. There's no place like home.

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I know these threads are meant to be visited and updated only, but I keep forgetting without an email reminder. Is anyone willing to update and then just reply so an email alert goes out? Yes, I admit it's pitiful to ask...

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I lied! Never got the shredder out. Ah, me. It is SO pleasant to drift.

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for the visual effect, not the calories, exactly