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Not sure you feel this is relevant, but slim cultures in the world tend to have different-sized meals.

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Depends on how long you were green on No S before making this mod. And also, if it "works" or not. If having a little dessert on Monday keeps you green T-F, and you aren't an idiot on weekends, then it's likely working for now. Ideally, you'd get to the point at which you can take or leave sweets al...

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If you are willing to buck the odds, so be it. Some here have done something similar after a couple of years, but they are the exceptions. The real test results won't be seen for a few years, but so what? Like learning a sport or musical instrument, just keep practicing!

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And broccoli is not subsidized, as corn is. It's the subsidizing of particular crops that lend themselves to processing. If all we were doing was eating plain old corn, I doubt there'd be the extent of overeating there is. I know I've read that some think it would make much more sense to be subsidiz...

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I've been at this four years. I had a perfect first three months. Then a lot of wobbling for months. Then got back on. Was mostly compliant up until the last several months, meaning I had little fails along the way without being completely derailed for weeks and weeks. It's been wobbly again, but I'...

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Exercise success on June 4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 11.

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Vegetables are not most people's snack of choice. It's the availability of the sheer volume of processed food that doesn't need refrigeration and permission to eat all the time AS WELL as a subconscious proscription against eating. Vicious circle.

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I had many cruddy Sundays due to bingeing on Saturdays. Eventually, I got tired of it, instituted a mod, and rarely have the problem now. I actually look back at some of the eating fondly!

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I can't believe how much people think eating often will keep them from wanting to overeat. I was never hungry when I binged. One diet doctor recommended having a snack before going to a big eating event. Oh, how many such events I ruined by starting before I got there! He also claimed there was no p...

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Almost everyone thinks she is an all-or-nothing person. Almost no one is. There is all-or-nothing thinking that usually leads to the behavior. If it is working for someone, there is no need to change her thinking. If it isn't, there's reason to examine it. It's normal to feel a great pull to overeat...

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Oh, yeah, those faddist French and Italians eating three meals a day for generations.

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How wonderful for you, Dandelion. I still get cravings. Just a LOT less often and much easier to ignore. I'm not willing to do much more differently, as I doubt that anything else would change that much, or at least nothing else I'd be willing to do. I consider it all manageable, and that's all I'm ...

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I worked out to my standards every day so far. Found a DVD at the library of HIIT 10-minute workouts. I like adding to the variety of moves I know to do. Almost all are bodyweight but I have some weights from the old days and I throw in some kettlebell and Shovelglove moves on different days. I'm of...

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Congrats, eam531! Be grateful it's getting at the vanity weight without much more effort. It's a sane way to live.

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If we are eating mostly "real" food in amounts that make us honestly feel vital and happy, and are moving moderately and consistently, it's likely we are at our ideal weight, media ideals be damned.

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Belated congrats from me as well. Don't know how I missed this! I've been having some rocky times eating in 2014. I ate lightly today because of so little hunger but was feeling a little sorry for myself because I still wished I was hungrier. Reading your post lifted my spirits. I remember that you ...

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Probably for the same reason I used to read diet books while eating brownies. It's more fun to fantasize about how great things will be when we do everything we're supposed to than to actually do it! I'm blaming it on the crafty reward center. But it could also mean some things just aren't important...

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Thanks, snap! I definitely toy with the idea of a pedometer. It wouldn't tell me how much I burn, but it might motivate me to get more house and garden work done because I'd get to see how steps add up. However, it might make be resent not getting credit for some of the harder garden work that doesn...

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I don't see how you can say that something doesn't work for you after only one or two attemtps. You thought before that you were eating when you were hungry, and now you know you were wrong. Maybe just as you now know more what hunger is like, you may also be able to learn to stop eating at the end ...

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No bingeing for 6 weeks; now that is a real victory!

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I haven't had that light feeling in awhile. Maybe I'll get it back this summer. Your eating routine sounds wonderful! I'm so glad things seem to be progressing for your husband.

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Small eating fails just about every day. exercise every day this week so far.

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For your sake, I hope you have plenty of days off work!

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Just about EVERYONE tends to overdo hyper palatable foods after they have been restricted. It is normal to feel a great urge to overdo them after periods of abstaining. Resisting that urge while still exposing yourself will eventually weaken the reaction. Think very carefully because the failure rat...

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How can you have too much muesli? Especially if you keep to your three meals. (So far, I have never found much satisfaction in smoothies as a meal. I like to chew my food. I have on occasion put the smoothie in a bowl and eaten it like a cold soup, but it's still not as much fun as chewing. It seems...

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I don't think of it as after the meal, but an end to the meal. Fruit often caps it off. I find it helpful to have some kind of signal that the meal is over beyond just eating the last bite.

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BTW, a willpower book I'm reading says that when you acknowledge your progress, it's essential to remember at the same time why you're making the changes. So being reminded of why you're doing it is doubly good. It can help stop slips and reinforce the sacrifice you may feel you're making. If tech c...

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People can't believe that they would actually choose to eat reasonably without more stricture. They also can't accept that most traditional diets have actually failed to teach most dieters to be happy with eating less. Hype mongers are very good at getting people to believe because hype appeals to h...

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Beating the WTH response is a kind of victory in itself. Nice going!

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I'm going to try posting more often; when I just make a list of days, I forget to check back in.

10 minutes- success

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I don't have a smart phone. It does seem that they can be an advantage for this kind of thing. I think it would be good if there was one that sent random messages, too. Maybe I'll think one up and make my millions.

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I still think that the highly restrictive forms of dieting that have been promoted WHILE so many forms of manufactured foods are being pushed has exacerbated the problem. (I don't think it is the main cause, but right up there.) Making people think they have to go without forbidden foods for weeks o...

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Hi, snap! I've been listening to The Willpower Instinct. It reminded me of the importance of knowing your reasons and keeping them in mind. I know it helped me to have a list and read it every day for months. Those thoughts would pop into my head at appropriate times in a way they had not before. I ...

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6/2 10-minute success

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This is from two years ago: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/science/a-mathematical-challenge-to-obesity.html?_r=0 "The epidemic [of obesity] was caused by the overproduction of food in the United States. Beginning in the 1970s, there was a change in national agricultural policy. Instead of the gov...

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Thanks, SR, but I have to say that being a beauty pageant contestant is skirting with pretty much letting others define you..

I hope this trainer doesn't ruin her. Sounds like she was doing pretty well on her own without 6 meals and protein at all of them.

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clarinetgal, I hear ya. I've been having a bad time with "witching hour" eating (2:30- 4:30) that then often goes on all evening. This has been going on off and on for a few months. I know why but I don't know how to fix it just yet. Rather annoying after 4 years, but I'm hoping it's the last hiccup...

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Had a pretty non-compliant week, but things feel relatively righted. Even one day on track can feel so good. Clothes still fitting fine. I skimmed through a 40-year old book called Total Fitness in 30 Minutes a Week. It was a bit of a misnomer in that author Laurence E. Morehouse says those 30 minut...

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Give it time.:) but I also differentiate between a desire for food and real hunger. I can desire food at times when I'm not actually hungry at all. That's actually my worst problem on S days and from about 2:30 p.m. until around 5. The more involved I am in fun OR productive things I actually WANT t...

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MOST (not all) of my lunch and dinner plates are about half freggies, with 1/3 the volume as fruit.

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This is the basis for Sensa, which does actually work for many people, but you must take it permanently. It does not actually readjust your appetite. No S CAN do the same thing for nothing, though it takes longer.

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I think that the plateaus are times the body keeps in homeostasis with water weight even while it might be losing fat until it accepts the new energy intake and output. Then it lets go of the water. I dunno. I know that the author of one of the books on setpoint asserted that there is an advantage t...

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Or put the apple in a little bowl on the plate, whole or cut up. (Actually, I don't mind things touching, so I do put the fruit right on the plate, but there is a way to separate things.) Sometimes, I even have two little bowls on one plate, depending on the items I'm eating and how liquid they are.

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Sounds fantastic!

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So, Dale, do you mean since you were reminded of food all day, you snacked a lot? Because I don't think you can gain weight from aromas.

However, research has shown that the obesity rate at schools close to fast food establishments is higher than at those that aren't close.

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I actually agree with you, eschano, that the environment makes a huge difference. For years, because of the intuitive eating recommendations, I kept all kinds of sweets around and chose them often, too. It was really too much for me to deal with. It's so obvious to me now that overeating so frequent...

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I just posted on another thread how I could never be happy with the lunch suggestion from a diet book I once read: an avocado. That's it. Sure, it's enough calories, and it's rich and good, but just that? I need a few more items to feel I've have a meal.

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accidental double post.

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Yeah, we're pretty spoiled in SoCal. One diet book I remember reading suggested that a person could just have an avocado for lunch. The author was trying to say people shouldn't be so afraid of fat. I just thought, if I could be happy with just eating an avocado for lunch, I wouldn't have had a weig...

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Such a problem to have! I doubt you need to stuff yourself, though. If you're a few hundred calories short, I don't think it will send you bingeing. And don't forget it doesn't take much volume of fat to up the calories. The Greeks and Italians swear by the loveliness of olive oil drizzled on just a...

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Literally millions of people live by principles very close to No S, and what recommendations are different can be backed up by habit theory, so, yes, you can live with this for the long term! But there will be a learning wave, I prefer to say rather than a learning curve, most likely. It may go up, ...

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If you mean "strikingly unusual or strange-emphasis on strange- in effect or appearance," then I am indeed an exotic dancer.

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4 minutes vigor is minimum; got in 6.

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I do think failing can actually lead to success. Most longterm weight maintainers say that when they figured out that they just had to NOT keep quitting or giving up, things turned around. I think my repeated failure over the years finally got me to see that nothing was going to make it easy; nothin...

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I'm not attached to any certain spelling.

Thanks for the kind kudos, though!

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Brian Wansink reports that the average person actually has 200 food cues a day. This can mean 200 decisions a day. Reinhard and others would say that is very expensive in the use of willpower. Committing to three meals no matter what will help a person avoid a lot of those decisions. Judith Beck rec...

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/opini ... inion&_r=0

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Notice eschano did the challenge after a year and a half of No S...

You could do it early by starting it during Advent. But I don't know what you'll have with your rum at those Christmas parties. Guess you'll have to stick to hot toddies.

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Actually, it's not much of a sacrifice to me anymore, but thanks!

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For the health issue I was talking about, it's not the sweetener that makes the difference.

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Very good idea, harmony, if it keeps you on track. Sometimes just getting through a few hours if all we can face. I wouldn't call it sabotaging, though. That implies evil intent. You have just yourself convinced at that moment that the pleasure of eating right then is worth more than the pleasure of...

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I agree with BrightAngel. I wouldn't try it until I had at least a couple of months or more of mostly green N days without the added restriction. In four years, I've never given up using stevia during the week in between-meals lattes and mochas. Some people wouldn't say that is against the rules, bu...

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Most people eat sometimes when they aren't hungry and/or for emotional reasons. N days are THE best antidote I've found for that. Well, N days and just learning that most life problems are managed, not solved, so I might as well learn to tolerate the difficulties. I used to think that if I could jus...

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Thanks, finallyfull. :) Well, I had blood tests done back in March. They weren't fasting results, so I hope they're still valid. I was a little worried because my total cholesterol had gone up so much from when I was 40 lbs. heavier, but I went to a calculator to tell about how my fats ratios were a...

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Holy moly! It almost makes my blood boil to think that you were so influenced by the media that you might have thought for a second that you might have to weigh less than you do now. Your BMI is almost as low as it can be and be considered normal. I'm so glad I played any part in having you come to ...

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Weebly, that reminds me of a technique recommended by William Cowper in his book on how to use principles of French eating to lose and stabilize weight. He says to serve yourself AS IF you will take seconds later. He also recommends savoring and eating slowly. The French eat in courses, which I imag...

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You're not alone in that one, but it can be overcome. Learning to separate feeling down with eating is one of the great benefits of putting great effort into savoring wonderful meals. When the urges come, remember how much you enjoyed the last meal and how much more you will enjoy the next one if yo...

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Whew! That's serious stuff. Good luck.

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I suggest you rehearse at home with similar bowls, filling them with similar foods and then putting the food on a plate. OR put food on a plate and then transfer to bowls to get an eyeball on the volume.

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Hear, hear.

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That he could say it and have so many people relate to it is the real kicker.

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Hurray for fats.

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germanherman, you don't have to worry about this woman aiming at single digit bodyfat or even the teens. But even for a man, 9% is impressive, esp. since it's basically a side effect. Those poor guys slaving for it!

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I've been on another site for years and had seen so many times younger women who were in the mid BMI range who were in solid restrict/binge cycles for years because they thought they should be at the low range instead. Ah, me. I tried a few times to offer my point of view from decades later, but it'...

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True, but food in general was much harder to come by. If I had never gained and then lost weight, I think I could tolerate more food without gaining weight, and it would definitely be fat I would include more of. I still like my starches, so I'm careful with fat. I still do eat some low and no-fat i...

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And the single digit bodyfat.

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What graduate program are you trying to get into, you enterprising woman, you?

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Ta-da! Cool.

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I hope you feel like the cookies were the only failure.

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Hope you're still with us!

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Yes, No S does demand a fair amount of honesty regarding how much of the plate needs to covered with dense foods to satisfy hunger enough to allow for hunger for the next meal. At this point, my lunches are about the equivalent of half a sandwich, maybe a little more, of dense food. The freggie amou...

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My understanding is that French students have a 2-hour break in the middle of the day: an hour to eat and an hour to play. I can tell you from the perspective of a high school teacher: the admin plans as little time outside of class as possible because the more time students are not in class, the mo...

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Welcome! So interesting to hear of the 3-meal tradition in Germany. I knew it is the tradition in Italy and France, but not Germany. Just goes to show that whole populations can live quite well without snacking. Not only are you already in the healthy BMI range, you are also lighter than 81% of your...

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Hey girl! How about a May summary?

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Having another anxious day over procrastination. It's okay, though. It's just part of the mix of my life. Just felt like acknowledging it. Maybe someday I'll figure it out as I feel No S pretty much helped me figure out food. It turns out there are a lot more even more uncomfortable things to me tha...

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I had gone through a lot of legalizing all foods before No S, so I never had N day meals of all processed foods. I rarely have a meal without freggies. For years I had protein at most meals but I guess things have balanced out, as I can be satisfied without always having animal protein now. (For var...

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How I ate in the first year is not the same as how I eat now, 40 lbs. lighter. I wanted bigger meals and overate on weekends. Now N day breakfasts are very small, lunches rather small, dinner moderate to big. S days have gotten quite moderate but vary in meal numbers and content. Small to me is 1-1....

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Try it this weekend. Some people have good luck with being very moderate from the start on weekends. Others find it makes the N days too hard. It's more important what is happening six months from now. Do what feels freeing and vital!

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Ellyn Satter wrote of saying when and what kids eat; they decide how much. She emphasized that eating time should be eating time. Kids sit down and concentrate on the food. No carrying around food and eating it while playing or other activities. French children eat only one snack a day, around 4 p.m...

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I have mealtime windows on weekdays, about a 90-minute window for breakfast, lunch at same time because of work schedule, about a 2-hour window for dinner.

I know of no slim cultures who have their members eat just when hungry. They don't leave it up to chance.

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I'm coming down on the other side. I've seen people who ate three meals and a snack at the time they found most challenging regularly for quite awhile before it became more natural to skip the snack. One of those people, who is retired, is now having some 2-meal days on several days a week by choice...

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S days can be rougher than people want for longer than they want. Try not to let that get in the way. If they don't calm down on their own after a few months, there are options.

Sounds like bloat is preferable to the alternative right now. Tailbones are serious business! Hope you heal soon.

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Have a good recovery.

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We had a member here(blueskies) years ago who posted pictures of her meals for an entire year. Then she felt she was solid in her habits and left. I hope her eating stayed moderate.

Glad you're having such a good time. We do, too.

oolala53

People will often put a bowl on a larger plate and fit other food around it, but it sounds like that may be a smaller issue for you. Not snacking may be the crux of the issue for you.

Have fun eating!

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I had been only about 85% compliant with N days. That may have compounded the issue with wild S days., but it was enough success that the contrast was still striking and the benefits were palpable enough to keep striving for the two years. N days are crucial, in my book, too.

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Unless you consider body dysmorphia a degenerative disease.

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Noni, sorry if I'm repeating myself, but I implemented a mod on S days after a couple of years or more of wild S days and it has worked quite well, in my opinion. I was sick and tired enough of the S day overeating that I finally was ready to surrender to a mod. My worst issue was sweets so I made t...

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Yes, please be sure you have impaired glucose tolerance before you start treating it. :) Nothing can protect everyone from every possible malady, but I'd bet that if you wanted to spend a lot of time looking at it, you'd find that moderation protects most people against most degenerative diseases an...

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All of this is why I take my "evidence" from large "samples": Italy and France, the countries with two of the lowest average BMI's in Europe, a region whose low count can't usually be attributed to a high degree of poverty. Until recently, neither of those cultures was a consistent snacking culture....

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