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Apparently where you carry your fat makes a big difference. No matter how much women are influenced to dislike fat thighs, I don't think they've ever been linked to degenerative disease.

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So true.

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I don't think they were recommending three large meals, but just pointing out that even when eating large meals, people accumulate less abdominal bodyfat eating three meals.

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If weighing truly inspires a person, it's a great tool. If it leads a person to have a cruddy day or give up perfectly reasonable habits, it's an obstacle. Some people seem to be able to go from obstacle to tool. It's so hard to know anything about any one weigh-in. We can be so influenced by what a...

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I think wosnes meant most people-women- don't need three BIG meals. Slim cultures that eat three meals usually have only one sizable meal. At least one meal is often quite small, such as a small bread item and coffee for breakfast.

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I am in awe of people who have sweets more often as a way of decreasing the tendency to overdo on weekends. However, I'm content to keep to sweet-free N days.

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Not sure if it would have complicated things too much, but I think there should have been people eating snacks that were not high fat, high sugar as well. The snack fans will just say that it's okay if it's healthy snacks, even if the data implies that the gains didn't happen when the foods were eat...

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When your fear and loathing of going overboard on S days and suffering cruddy Mondays is great enough, you will be able to institute mods for S days, since they never calmed down on their own. I moaned a lot after about 1.5 years about how mine weren't calming down. I think about another year later ...

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Not sure I agree with the idea that without my body, I'm nothing, but I'm all for the rest of these and for No Diet Day- every day.

Here's to moderation!

I'd add to love the body because the alternative is what a friend of mine calls unnecessary and unproductive suffering.

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Glad to hear you feel this is working for you, especially with so many special events.

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Merrykat, do you mean you have success with Vanilla and lots of detours (Vanilla + detours = success) OR success with Vanilla but lots of detours when you weren't successful?

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Gould's focus was on analyzing the reasons behind the emotions and came up with all kinds of labels for them, plus an emotional persona he even named for the eater. I'm very much in favor of trying to create distance between "me" and my disturbing thoughts, but giving them another personality in me ...

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Just want to say that some people never make the mod of having occasional S events on a whim, but stick to the allotted two or fewer extra per month decided ahead of time. It's not that being random can't work, as it obviously does for some, but it is psychically more expensive, in habit theory. It ...

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You don't have to do Vanilla to be successful. Whatever you are peaceful with is success- for now. It sounds like you are being reasonable and moderate. No S is just a path to get there. Nicest walk I've been on in this journey!

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Interesting! Intuitively, that sounds a little crazy. Wanting to enlarge my stomach? And yet, who knows? Though I'm not sure it's stomach size at this point that's causing the issue. And so many people say that drinking more water decreases their appetite. Maybe it helps regulate their appetite? Hmm...

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Eschano, I hope it's okay if I jump in here. I humbly suggest that you think of Saturday and Sunday as S days, whether you have one S or ten or none. An S day is any day you allow yourself the option of an S, whether you use it or not. Taking an S day doesn't mean having multiple S's necessarily. I ...

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I feel a little bad for Dr. Gould that you found No S through my comment on his book on Amazon, but I'm glad you're here and enjoying your meals.

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If you're eating three meals a day, no snacks, sweets or seconds, on N days and allowing for occasional S's on S days, you're doing Vanilla. If that's a goal.

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I wish it were that easy. I do not fear not eating. I MISS it when I have to wait 8,10, 12, 24, 36 hours to be hungry. (That was the longest I waited and I wasn't even starved.) I try it on weekends when I more often have the option to eat on a more flexible schedule. But just because I'm not hungry...

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Just having a place to get my thoughts and complaints out in the company of those who aren't into the diet madness is usually support enough, Diligence. This is just a phase. I'm pretty sure it's going to unravel. Thanks for being willing to jump in. Had an appointment tonight for getting into the m...

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But you don't count chewing forever. It sounds like bite counters are encouraged to keep up the habit indefinitely. As germanherman implied, you get used to feeling that your food is much like liquid before swallowing and the way you used to eat feels like you would be swallowing chunks of food with...

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I call flour-based foods "particle" foods. I think of them as having skipped a digestive step, so there's reason to be judicious with them. I don't shun them completely, but I probably eat a lot less of them than the average American bear. French and Italian bears don't seem to have a problem, but t...

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POI: A jump rope does not have to be intact to be of benefit. One of mine split in the middle, but I still get the same arm workout holding the handles and swinging the rope. And no stopping because of catches on my feet. (I actually bought a device years ago based on the same thing. It has handles ...

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Tx, Diligence, but I'm already always the slowest eater at the table. The bite approach is too much like dieting to me, Herbsgirl had many days of eating under 500 calories a day. Many traditional dieters go through phases in which they are satisfied to eat very low calorie for periods of time. Fran...

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Just updating that I am 51 months in and still feeling that nothing else is going to do it for me that wouldn't somehow just be a modification of No S. I can see someday eating only two meals a day (after retirement, when I would have control over when I eat midday) but never back to 5x a day. I oft...

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Glad I could play any role in such a sweet experience, but the credit goes to No S and you.

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The author of The Beauty Myth posits that our preferences have been incredibly shaped by photography and cultural influence. In recent years, residents in countries like Kuwait have gone up in average BMI (it wasn't low before) since the advent of fast food. Women there FEAR weight loss, even if it ...

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I was actually thinking less of the mental calorie count as a weight loss tool than a satiety tool. I believe it's the exception in humans to be totally unthinking about how much to eat at any one moment and to go just by feel. I'd sometimes do a mental note of the dense items' ballpark calories to ...

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It does my heart good to hear of your delight in No S. I cling to it for the sanity in the face of all the pressure to believe it's a good thing to try to make the body look a certain way. I'm not opposed to liking beauty but when people think beauty is necessary to be a good person or that it makes...

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May I gently suggest that you using weighing as a reward only when you've had a compliant N day the day before? It would mean you would HAVE to take Sundays and Mondays off from weighing, and possibly other days, too.

Watch what you're saying to yourself before you cave on N days!

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I'm trying something a little dangerous. I'm going to try to fit into a certain dress by May 27, which is prom at the high school I teach at. I kept a ravishing evening dress someone gave me years ago even though I haven't fit into it in years. It's strapless and fitted. I can pull it up and zip it ...

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I wish you the best! Though low carb with set frequency of eating is No S in my mind, too, since it sounds like your eating will still need to be routine and moderate. If you NEED snacks, that's not the same as just being mindless about them.

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I know I've written about this before, but I'm repeating myself with I think a bit more clarity that I needed to discover by writing about it again. My appetite has decreased so much that I can feel that even my meals are emotional eating in that I"m often not hungry for them but I still have the ur...

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Auto, regarding a comment you made that you felt as if you had lost a battle one day because you felt your main motivation for eating was emotional: that's the crux of the struggle I've been having for several months in this the beginning of my fifth year. I've written about it previously on my thre...

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And she's funny!

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Thanks for the feedback, everyone! I stopped on the way home at a Chinese buffet where they charge by weight for food to go . Fine by me! I got a nice little array for under $5 and supplemented with raw veggies and some noodles I prefer at home. Then I talked a friend into taking a ride with me for ...

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Hey, speedmom, how's it going? I know some people here combine No S with calorie counting after getting the habit down. They find that the discipline of the habit is already in place, so that adding sticking to a calorie limit is easier than when you try to change things all at once. If you're feeli...

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4-minute intense workout today.

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regarding old habits: makes perfect sense to me.

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Mental logging sounds rather No S to me in that successful losers here seem to adopt relatively routine meals that are rather low-to-moderate calorie. And they don't seem to leave it up to fate meal after meal.

Glad you had such a great trip and congrats on being so lucky with your new darlin'.

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I worte this in response to a post on the general board. It was from a blogger about her early observations on using No S. I decided it was too much of a critique to leave there, but I'll get it off my chest here. I've been here many years now and seen so many new people all excited about these same...

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My favorite quotation: "Also, as a somewhat â€œemotional eater,â€ Iâ€™ve found it a lot easier to honestly answer the question â€œIs it mealtime?â€ as opposed to the question â€œAm I really hungry?â€ With the latter, thereâ€™s a surprising amount of gray area depending on my mood. With the former, i...

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I've been doing 4-, 7-, or 11-minute workouts most N days. Haven't been able to get myself to get a walk in. Still pleased with improvement.

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Would you say you frequently eat three times a day or does that vary? I take it you rarely make much of a change in whatever guidelines you're using just because it's an S day. What situations merit extra food or normally limited food types for you? Just curious. No hurry for an answer. I know you k...

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Are you using habit cal? Habit theory says physically keeping track of the target behavior (not the result) is key. Habitcal is a fast way, if you don't want to post on a check in thread. Or maybe the idea of the mouth gremlins is all it's going to take! I find that one fades as the visit to the den...

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I agree that those who are seriously obese need something more limiting than No S. Maybe Reinhard should have stated something like that somewhere. Out of curiosity, what percentage would you say of those with above-normal BMI"s are seriously obese? I'm pretty sure the morbidly obese comprise under ...

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Two weeks in is barely getting going. It's not possible to have it all figured out fast! You've got to live it week after week, month after month. Expect it to change but try not to be watching it under a microscope.

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BrightAngel, I realize that I'm not sure what point you were trying to make. Is it that it seems the truly obese do not seem to be able to have the freedom of S days evolve naturally into moderation? That when told that they should just let go on those days until the overeating decreases without muc...

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Just saying: my maternal grandmother (from Ireland) was obese. She was hospitalized and basically starved to force her to drop weight in her 50's or 60's . Miraculously, she got to normal weight and she never went back to overeating! She never even talked about wanting to eat more, but she also didn...

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Hard to tell. The spirit of No S to me is moderation in all things, including exertion. Honestly, marathons don't seem to me to be moderate activity, so training for one is a bit beyond the scope of moderate eating. But it does seem that the strategy of rules for limited eating to accommodate your r...

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I've noticed, too, that the 3-meal slim cultures have only one "real" meal, as we might characterize it, a day, as you say. I'm still wrapping my mind around just how small those other two meals can be. I've used my palm and fist to determine approximate servings of protein and starch for years, but...

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Given how the doctor talks about it, I agree, too. Not sure what to call the relaxed days, though. I personally never called or thought of them as "cheat" days. And I think there has to be a way to allow for S's. I know I needed them to be rather free. I'm not sure I would have made it if I had thou...

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I strongly suggest you first make a list of all the disadvantages of how you are living now. How cruddy you feel a lot of the time. How miserable you are that food seems to rule you. ETC. Admit that doing nothing will likely allow things to get worse and trying to follow any other plan at this point...

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Not a lot of time right now, but wanted to check in and say hear, hear.

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I hadn't thought about the mutlivitamin since I eat a lot of colorful freggies. Some exercise this week. Not like I've done at times in the past, but I'm pleased with the increase in consistency. I had almost nothing to eat today. Going with the lack of hunger. I had a bit of a rough time about 2 ho...

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Except that possibly your grandmother was at peace with it. :) I'm not, yet. I still wish I got hungry enough to justify my eating more. The desire is there, even though the hunger isn't. I still have to exert mental effort not to eat. I get the impression that when the elderly lose their appetite, ...

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If you are a man or are used to eating a lot more food, consider bigger meals and see what happens. Getting hungry between meals I've heard plenty of, but not feeling so tired. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but it is not typical. Is there any chance you could be diabetic? If there is, I'd suggest...

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I wonder if people who get into other professions and decide they don't like it feel as bad about it as ex-teachers do?

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I was under the impression that appetite decreased in those another 15 years older than I, so I'm not sure that's what mine is about, but it's not out of the question. But I'm getting more used to the idea of cooperating with it or putting my money where my mouth is and getting more serious about co...

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Happened to be browsing a person's weight trend chart that has a section that shows observations on the data. Hers says recently, X is gaining 0.5 lbs/week of total weight. She is burning 253 cal/day less than she eats. Of course, it's very possible her weight gain is her body retaining water; witho...

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It's still a little too much focus on the details and weight for me. I am trying to avoid having to be that thorough! It's against my personal religion to manipulate my eating to weigh a certain amount. NO matter what short term or even long term results there are for any one individual, so far, the...

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An image I used to use was thinking of filling a bank account with positive experiences of staying compliant: how good I felt right before meals, how satisfied I was in the hours right after eating in the evening, etc. I knew I would need a lot of deposits!

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Diligence, just want to mention that Scatter says parents choose what to offer and when, so it's valid not to offer as many processed carbs, if that is an area of concern. Tough stuff, though. I hear adults who have bad memories almost no matter what parents do. Some complain that their parents neve...

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The shoulder is incredibly better! It hurt so much I would never have thought it could feel so good so soon. However, I'm not doing any lifting weight over my head, nor any moves in which I lift a weight bringing my two hands up along the center of my torso while lifting elbows out. Those are the in...

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I find if I really want to be sure a breakfast is going to last, I need to have a good amount of fat. It's concentrated so it's easier to get the right amount of food in. I'll have a couple of eggs with some cheese or avocado or even bacon. I might have a starch or not, but if not I'll have some veg...

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4 minutes tabata-type 4/16

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It's in those moments, the ones where you're telling yourself to go ahead and eat in response to your long days, that you will get the most bang for your buck by saying no. It's unlikely these desires will go away BEFORE you start refusing to give in. It is a complication you work 12 hours with no m...

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The less of an S-er you were, the longer it will take. I of the try 12-week minimum recommendation say that I did have loss in the beginning but I had more to lose and I was a big binger. I still binged on weekends for a long time. My weight loss stabilized for quite awhile after those first three m...

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Nothing like a late septuagenarian to show us up to get us on the path. Though I'm trying to forget the picture of the "cut" grandmother I happened on on youtube.

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Nothing like a late septuagenarian to show us up to get us on the path. Though I'm trying to forget the picture of the "cut" grandmother I happened on on youtube.

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Welcome back! I know that gritted teeth feeling. but it's better than panic, which is counterproductive.

I affirm that you can become a slim-enough, joyfully-moderate eater who still loves to cook.

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Terrific lessons!

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I have found divided plastic containers at thrift shops for years, but I use those only for portable food. I once dieted with 40:30:30 principles and the proportions stuck, though often with more freggies, so that is what most of my plates look like. Like others, I put various sized bowls on plates ...

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Out of curiosity, did weighing yourself truly have any effect on your eating behavior? I never found that it did. I kept gaining even when I was weighing; if anything had to go out the window- weighing or overeating- it was weighing! If you must use something, use a tape measure and your waist or on...

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I haven't been tracking here or anywhere, but I think I've complied 4 of 5 N days a week. Had a shoulder injury last Wednesdayl didn't feel it then but it hurt like hell by Friday. I thought it was going to really slow me down, but I was able to do the 7-minute circuit today. I think it was an overh...

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Not a rant, in my book. And so glad you've decided to give this your all. You said it yourself: you did not really DO all those programs. You basically dabbled in them and that is not the same. Hey, you're human! I beleive failures serve the important purpose of bringing you to the point of realizin...

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I would say, "There is nothing that is going to make the urges to overeat go away on their own. You will have to learn to feed yourself regularly without overdoing it consistently. You will have to learn to say no even when it's really hard, and this will not damage you. You won't learn this on a sp...

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Thanks, r.jean! I went to a meditation session yesterday that I go to periodically. We can sit any way we want and I was very comfortable on a sofa. I wasn't even thinking about the arm issue at all, but noticed that after the session, I could move it in a greater range than before. It's even better...

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Omgosh, I have hurt my left shoulder a lot more than I thought. I didn't even feel it when it happened. Maybe I made it worse rubbing around on it (I used to be a massage therapist. Hmm.) I have to be very careful which I angle I move the arm in or there is a lot of pain. Dang! I will work around it...

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I've been getting Flylady's newsletter for over a year...

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Most not surprising to the initiated, but appreciated! I still find the "good breakfast" one misleading. The French have basically toast and cafe au lait. The Italians have a sweet pastry and coffee. (Also no protein to speak of with their carbs.) Not what most overweight people think of as a good b...

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I do variations on crunches or any moves, some of them standing, that tax the abdominals on different days. I do the wall sit for 90 sec. on Thursdays. I mix it up! But today's workout didn't leave me breathless. Oh, well. Failed yesterday, but not spectacularly. Still, sigh. I'm still not able to f...

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I have read stuff on Ellyn Satter's site. I like her a lot! No S doesn't say you have to finish what's on your plate, though I, like Reinhard, tend to do it. A lot of members say they do get to the point at which they just stop when they're full enough. These days, I'm not even hungry before I start...

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Glad you took your red in stride, not going overboard and not trying to say it wasn't a fail. Back to green N days!

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Linda, I gently say that slim people in most of the developed world have cultural practices that guide them to have a "healthy" relationship with food. Those practices are not training wheels. The practices are how they live. They don't just rely on intuition and random eating. Being able to do that...

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I been using 7-minute workout timers available on the web. They go along with http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/09/the-scientific-7-minute-workout/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 I've also used 4-minute workouts by Craig Ballantyne available for free on youtube, and started supplementing with lighte...

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True, and you had a medical reason. It's not likely your infections were caused by lack of water. Your body obviously benefits from the extra flushing. Glad you didn't need meds! I wish I felt many of the benefits others get from many touted practices. I've gone through bouts of drinking a lot more ...

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It's amazing how hard a time I can be having after all this time. I have such strong desires for the pleasure that my old binge foods provided. I had to really use my strategies yesterday not to go buy and eat some after work. I did a couple of errands and was almost going to buy fast food fried chi...

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I still have my yogurt nonfat and add walnuts or ground flaxseeds, but I do often now have whole milk, because I like it better in coffee. Play it by ear.

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That would be 16 cups of water a day. from an article in Scientific American: Where did people get the idea that guzzling enormous quantities of water is healthful? A few years ago Heinz Valtin, a kidney specialist from Dartmouth Medical School, decided to determine if the common advice to drink eig...

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Very happy for your week of compliance!

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I've thought when I retire that I might be a brunch-and-dinner person, although the desire to have a meal at meal time, hungry or not, is an ongoing issue for me. I continue to want more sweets when I have them, but so far, that is an acceptable burden to me. If you continue with your practice of li...

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I've been stumbling for several months in this my 4th year of No S and a tiny bit afraid that I wasn't going to make it to year 5, which I consider the gold standard of proof that the changes are really made, but I, too, am feeling that foundation coming back. I certainly know I"m not ready to go pa...

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I hope I can be supportive in saying this but it is really way too early to allow yourself to get so frustrated with yourself because everything isn't sailing along easily. (Actually, that is another habit. It goes along with the overeating and is part of the cycle. That's why reducing it also helps...

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Happy April!

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Hope you're having fun in Cuba!

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It can be amazing how little food it takes to be enough to satisfy hunger, at least on some days. These days, I could probably skip some meals but I find so far it starts messing with my mind, so I have something. There's room for experimentation how much dense food we need at our meals.

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