Everyday Systems

oolala53

I somehow lost track of your thread and have been catching up. Just want to say, my mother stayed home. My sister was the one who told her she felt funny when she went to a friend's house after school (in high school) and the girl's mom wasn't home. Yet my sister worked all the time her kids were gr...

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Eschano, I'm with you. I do think most people won't have to try to eat less; it is a rather natural progression, but it also seems to take a bit of honesty for some. However, I'd say to take a year to see follow Vanilla without a lot of thought and see what happens. I started No S for the reasons yo...

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Sorry! Didn't mean to mislead. Glad to see it anywhere.

I hope I remember it's here so that I can bump it up periodically.

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Forgot to mention the disappointing news. My doctor isn't concerned about my cholesterol but I am. It used to be in the 140-150 range when I was fatter and ate a lot more crap. Now it's 196, 3 points below the top of the acceptable range. Hmmm. However, I'm not going to aim at doing anything about i...

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I hope it's okay that I cut and pasted parts of your recent posts on the Facebook group page. The group is so new that there a not many longtimers there.

oolala53

I got the ideas for much of what the author talks about on my own cobbled from varied sources not long before I came across No S. They were very influential in my being able to resist urges, but I did and sometimes still do have to actively bring them to mind. Small price to pay- most of the time. I...

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Thanks, folks! I did walk to a friend's today.

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I think I would have go into a bit of mourning if I HAD to eat gluten free, though I have cut down for other reasons on gluten foods. How did you get diagnosed with celiac disease? I mean, what was wrong that you had any testing that would find that? But the real message is, great job! I don't know ...

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Dr. said she thinks lack of appetite may have to do with lack of exercise. She didn't want to to give meds for appetite and I didn't want them. Hadn't even thought of that. She said there was nothing in my blood work or anything else to merit any tests for digestive issues. I'll try more exercise un...

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Nice cruisin'.

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Good stuff.

I'm so envious of people who get to complain for a living.

oolala53

I have various sizes of bowls that fit on plates I have. Everything goes on the plate.

oolala53

Wow! That soldier must have ended up looking fantastic! And feeling it, too. I hope he never forgets how bad it felt before. I'm grateful to hear that you feel No S supports even intense training regimes. Many members here wonder if they can work out hard without the pre- and -post workout snacks so...

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Welcome, palmas. Hope to see you on the general discussion board. Consider a daily check in thread. A lot of members don't keep up with the testimonial board so they won't know you're here. They're on your side!

oolala53

"Of course I'd like to be a ripped machine, like the rest of the men out there" Like all the rest of WHAT men out there? Do not be fooled by cherry-picked examples on the net and TV, ads, etc. People more ripped than you are in the minority and they are likely that way for a limited period of time o...

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Sorry, I agree with NoelFigart, if what she means is that people can convince themselves that they are following No S if they consistently stack their plates high no matter what they're real hunger is. They won't successfully game the system because as I and others have stated elsewhere, No S cannot...

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I'd be very surprised if being hydrated would cause you to feel woozy. But who knows? Contrary to so many recommendations, I'm not a big water drinker unless I'm going to or in dance class. I certainly try not to drink large amounts at a time, as that is how competitive eaters train. They don't eat ...

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If they'd had it, they would have used it, I'm sure!

Cocoa is definitely non-canonical, but a couple of teaspoons of the plain powder in my latte has not become a slippery slope. For anyone who fears it leading to playing fast with the rules, I'd recommend fence around the law.

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I'm starting to suspect so, I thought briefly of mentioning it when I was going to meet my new doctor at Kaiser, but on that day, it eluded me. I guess I need to call back. Curses! I guess I might have to put my money where my mouth is. I'm always saying that if people have a real health condition, ...

oolala53

I know I'm late but just want to say that Reinhard has pointed out that people in many cultures work at hard, physical labor for many hours a day without snacking. Lightheadedness isn't always from low blood sugar or lack of food, but is often caused by a drop in blood pressure from changing intensi...

oolala53

Thanks for the support, you angels! I don't consider what I'm doing mods to No S as much as ways I'm looking to evolve into a more satisfying life that actually goes beyond eating but also includes it. Unfortunately, right now, I can't say that I love any food anymore, yet I really miss loving it! I...

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And didn't eat.

Really glad you're not trying to go the Novena Diet route.

Happy eating!

oolala53

Had an "old days" overeating weekend. Ate modest meals yesterday. Wasn't hungry for any of them, but felt I could not skip any. In fact, I feel very similarly at meal time (or even earlier) to how I feel when I want to binge. I"m having a hard time waiting even 5 hours, which used to be a pretty eas...

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I think what people need to see is that successful, happy, longterm moderate eating is as much about what we think- or don't think- as about what we do.

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It's so good for people to hear that things evolve around the habit.

oolala53

BTW, I tried versions of IF, and it seemed to bring up all the old "diet" feelings. I guess I just didn't have the right mindset, but it wasn't worth the struggle to me.

oolala53

I'm sorry it took such dramatic events to cause a shift in your eating, but it wouldn't be the first time something like that happened. In fact, that's often how we make big changes in life. But no one intends them, I don't think.

So glad you are both doing well.

oolala53

I realize one of my complications has been that I thought by now I would be living a little differently, not avoiding tough tasks I have to do while filling my time with shopping, TV, and the internet. Some book reading. But I know I've told others just to do whatever gets them through, as long as i...

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What it needs in the context of meals. There's definitely a learning curve, but it's better if you can relax into it, rather than watching every meal, IMHO, or trying to manipulate it very soon just to get the scale to move. And why should we know? Heavy cultures don't really support moderation. Sli...

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If you are in your first 3 months, I say clean the plate but notice if you get legitimately hungry by the time of your next meal. If not, guesstimate putting a little less dense food on the plate and try it out. After a few months, start playing it by ear. Experiment with not finishing. Use smaller ...

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No matter how simple any plan is, the truth is that we have developed HABITS of eating that are not going to just go away because we make a decision when there is no urge to eat. Food is naturally reinforcing and our brains are not going to forego those fleeting pleasures without a bit of a fight. W...

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jw, those gypsy wagons are a kick! Nothing like the spare places I've been looking at. (And no kitchens or bathrooms. Hmmm.) But I love that look, too. I've never been able to pull off either one.

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I was fearing the end of the school day because I had dropped back into my pattern of failing after school even though each night I swear that the next day, I won't. I was wondering how I was going to get through the 2.5 hours. Yes, I know how short that time is, but I hadn't been making it for quit...

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And I meant to add:

But I've noticed that most people have to get exasperated with other approaches before they "surrender" to the one that they feel solves the right problems for them.

So you are right on time.

oolala53

Ha! I just read this other thread. Be forewarned!

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic ... 626#146626

oolala53

Ha! I just read this other thread. Be forewarned!

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic ... 626#146626

oolala53

Then congrats on maintaining a 20-lb. loss! That's still a 10%+ loss maintained.

Oh, I wish I had a dollar for every time I've read this: "If I had stayed with it instead of looking for a quick fix, I would be at my correct weight by now!" during my 4 years here.

oolala53

Vanilla means following the plan exactly as written with no modifications. It is highly suggested not to add mods "prematurely." Nothing official about what is premature, but most longtimers call 6 months to a year "mature." Trying to eat a lot less to get to a certain weight and then maintain by up...

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Vanilla means following the plan exactly as written with no modifications. It is highly suggested not to add mods "prematurely." Nothing official about what is premature, but most longtimers call 6 months to a year "mature." Trying to eat a lot less to get to a certain weight and then maintain by up...

oolala53

Although it's never stated explicitly, S days are supposed to begin in the morning and end the next evening/night, so they are more like a 36-hour window rather than a 48-hour one. If you start your S day Friday afternoon, your S day on Sunday should be over after an early breakfast. This often work...

oolala53

Bread with almond butter or bites of bacon. Sometimes slices of fruit plus nuts.

I didn't want to admit that I also eat grains or legumes with a spoon out of a bowl on my lap.

oolala53

I have all raw or cooked veggies on the plate along with the other foods at the meal. If I have what I call a meal salad, I cover the bottom of a soup bowl- the wide, shallow kind- with lettuce and then add other veggies, plus the denser carb/protein/fat options. I perch fruit on the rim.

oolala53

If you are consistently sticking to no snacks (especially after dinner) and are still not hungry for breakfast, it would be appropriate to experiment with two meals. If I were retired, I might evolve to eating only two meals because I would be able to eat a relaxed meal late morning, but since I can...

oolala53

Fruit is part of nearly every meal for me. I put it whole or cut up on my plate or in the bowl (e.g. a few tablespoons of raisins in oatmeal). I eat it last at lunch and dinner. If I covered my plate with only dense foods, I wouldn't have room in my tummy for fruit after eating the savory ones, eith...

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If you are not actually overeating, then you don't have any weight to lose, not matter what size you think you should be. I agree that you should concentrate first on higher compliance first for at least six months. Then see if it makes sense to experiment with plate sizes or the ratio of dense food...

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I've looked very briefly at "The Minimalists." One of them got rid of 2,000 books. And I think he's a writer! What am I holding on to mine for? I really will likely not read most of them again. Some of them not even the first time. I've got to remember to keep taking pics before and after. Last week...

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Althernately, and certainly not as cheaply, here are some tiny houses.
http://tinyhousetalk.com/rustic-micro-c ... -diego-ca/

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A trial is a good idea.I wouldn't likely move on this until summer break--- if ever. I've got lots of ideas that have been floating around for years... My singing teacher souped up a studio behind her house and put it up for nightly rent a few weeks ago. She's got takers already. I'm going to watch ...

oolala53

You all rock! Thank you so much for your kind words. I did have a small fail yesterday, but feel okay because it didn't deteriorate into WTH. Had a normal dinner and was tired enough to go to bed early. 'Course, now I'm up at 1;45 a.m., but I'll get some more rest in awhile. One more day of work thi...

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MOgosh, I"ve been failing every day. Last night it felt like the old days of ridiculous overeating. Not sure what else to do.

HATE the time change. I need to be getting ready for work but it is still so dark out and I want to do this while it's dark! Tough life, huh?

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Patty, glad you liked it. MOgosh, I"ve been failing every day. Last night it felt like the old days of ridiculous overeating. Not sure what else to do. HATE the time change. I need to be getting ready for work but it is still so dark out and I want to do this while it's dark! Tough life, huh? Speaki...

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I wish they had said more about what the dose of antibiotic was in the experiment that showed the increase in weight for children. I was also interested in this quotation: "Of course, while farm animals often eat a significant dose of antibiotics in food, the situation is different for human beings....

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I struggled for years trying to keep binge foods around. Then I read that Brian Wansink has shown pretty convincingly that most people will eat more when food is available. It's also possible to eventually have food nearby and not eat it. I vote for taking away the temptation until you have more exp...

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What's happening? It's not a crime to overeat. Keep us in the loop! Everyone here is on your side.

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Those all sound like great S day events.

oolala53

Great to hear that your hiatus has included No S compliance. Hope the habits sustain you on the return to food, food everywhere.

oolala53

For instance, at my age and height, women have to weigh 17 lbs. less than I do to be satisfied with their weight . If I weighed that much, I would be thinner than 94% of my peers. Interestingly, it's estimated that fashion models are thinner than 94% of their peers. And of course, younger people hav...

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I just like knowing how tall people are in relation to their weight. I'm also often curious about their age because I know of a site at which you can see how your weight compares with others of your age and height. but that can be hard on those who are not meant to be very thin. I mean, someone had ...

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Habits are reinforced when they are practiced. Berating yourself after overeating is a habit, likely paired now with the overeating. To break a habit, it works to interrupt it at any point in the trajectory. So, marking it and moving on without the berating (which has never worked in the past, right...

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If you haven't already, take a look at this thread:

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=9930

oolala53

Keep telling yourself, "It's worth it to wait to eat!" No matter what other thought or urge comes up. "Yes, that might have some truth in it, but it's MORE worth it to wait to eat!" And "THIS is the moment I have to say no. I can make it another few hours." Another one: the kitchen is closed! Anothe...

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I've been having a shaky time here at the end of year 3/beginning of year 4. Interesting! I've found a bit of inspiration from an blog by a man who's a proponent of simple, limited eating for frugality's sake. Even before I read him, I had decided I would eat all the starches and protein from my sto...

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Onwards!

BTW, are you 5' 7"?

oolala53

Try not to worry about how people stick to intermittent fasting! Just to fasting between your three meals for now. You'll find eventually that you don't have to eat a lot just because you're hungry. These days, I tend to get full faster when I'm very hungry. I find that there's not much else to keep...

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It's the equivalent of nearly 8 teaspoons of sugar.

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I feel like I"m on your trajectory. This is my 17th year teaching high school. I got into it at age 43 out of desperation to make some money, so I've been able to stick it out, but not sure I can make it to 2016, which has been my projected retirement (at an extremely moderate income). I spend a lot...

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Regarding diets on which one supposedly doesn't feel hunger, I would think, then why eat? But I've had to contend with this, not feeling hunger even by the time it's appropriate to have a meal. I sometimes skip the meal or wait until very much later to eat on weekends, but I just have the meal on N ...

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It's hard to face that little else is as convenient for a good time as food. And how it easy it is for me to feel resistance to necessary tasks. I can't really say I've improved much else in my life besides my eating. But given how it was, that's something!

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accidental double post

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Regarding diets on which one supposedly doesn't feel hunger, I would think, then why eat? But I've had to contend with this, not feeling hunger even by the time it's appropriate to have a meal. I sometimes skip the meal or wait until very much later to eat on weekends, but I just have the meal on N ...

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Regarding diets on which one supposedly doesn't feel hunger, I would think, then why eat? But I've had to contend with this, not feeling hunger even by the time it's appropriate to have a meal. I sometimes skip the meal or wait until very much later to eat on weekends, but I just have the meal on N ...

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Well, these are not out of the question. Problem is, I actually don't want to plan or read student papers anymore! But I don't want to teach beginning conversation. I'd like to sit around reading and talking with intelligent people about interesting texts and get paid for that. I know! Doing that an...

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Thank you all, for your concern! I was talking to my accountant today and she told me she has many clients who are teachers and she hears all the time from them how hard the job has gotten. Yes, I'm not alone. I think I'm going to work part time next year, if the district allows me. They do allow te...

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Aren't you sweet?! Thank you. What's your job, BTW? This weekend I've been reading back and forth between a book and blog written by Jacob Lund Fiskar, who was able to retire in his early 30's through aggressive budgeting, saving, and eventually investing. But he was willing and able to give up a lo...

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Just about anything is better than giving in to that uncomfortable feeling. (called withdrawal) Curl up and cry if you have to! For me, even blottoing out on TV is preferable. I'm talking to myself now, too, as I've been having some fails recently. Can you imagine if you were a single parent? I've k...

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Consider thinking of wanting to look back on a great day of eating tonight, as long as that doesn't sound like too much of a burden.

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And those are averages. Some people must be eating more and less.

In any case, sounds like less is better. Surprise!

But it's not so depressing to face, since I don't feel sugar is my biggest problem anymore.

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I also remember some book in which a non-French woman was saying how embarrassed she was at an event at which little chocolates were served for all to take from a plate. She was the only person, woman or man, who took more than one.

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Not my standbys but I thought I'd post the defaults of Jacob Lund Fiskar, who wrote a book culled from his blog about how to retire in your 20s and 30s. He was in grad school when he started and he wanted to cut down on cooking time as well as on spending. He was not offering this eating as a way to...

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And remember the "sometimes" for S days. It's hard to accept that possibly the extras aren't actually necessary EVERY weekend. I've seen very few people succeed with floating S days, and when I say succeed, I mean keep it working for 2 years or more. Less time than that is still mostly experiment. I...

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I occasionally consider logging my food on S days. Haven't done it yet, but it's not out of the question. Certainly preferable to limiting calories or intake.

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Our thoughts are still with you.

oolala53

Sorry to hear of your disappointment regarding weight loss. I don't know what I would have done if I had lost nothing, though I actually came into No S determined to do it even if I didn't lose weight. I did believe I would eventually, but it was only about 10 lbs. a year and I weighed 35 lbs. more ...

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I don't think it's because of the fridge issue, which is still continuing, though who knows. If anything, I think it has to do with chronic problems outside of eating that I really hoped would be solved by now or at least have improved more than they have. Sometimes it just gets to me how much thing...

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I had three perfect months and then wobbling when I first started. Once that binge habit gets reignited, it can take some real effort to turn the ship around. Don't panic! On Monday, just get from meal to meal. And after dinner, the kitchen is closed!

oolala53

I was more influenced not long before I started No S reading (though I can't find the reference now) that the average sugar consumption in France was only about 15 lbs. a year. I think that stat isn't right, but it sure propelled me at the time. I'm glad now. But I think your link resonates with a l...

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I'd wager that potlucks are actually one of the least satisfying eating situations most people encounter. It's a cultural pressure to think we should enjoy having an abundance of food available, but since we have so much food available so much of the time, it actually becomes a burden to try to nego...

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One piece of Costco pizza, if cut to fit, would cover 3/4 of my plate.

I think you've hit on something by noting that what you secretly wanted was to be able to eat unlimited amounts to make it a real Friday, i.e., the signal that the work week is over.

oolala53

Don't know about your mom. For most of us, it comes down to how much or little dense food we eat on our plates. People can usually eat a fair volume of veggies without it affecting weight, but dense foods are different. Five weeks in isn't actually very long. Encourage your mom to keep trying to add...

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Sounds like you're having some fun!

oolala53

For philosophical support, I'd need to know what your philosophy is or what you want it to be. No S says three plates a day but its philosophy is moderation. Is that important to you? Because if YOLO, you only have so many chances to live moderation. I very much believe in absolutely reveling in foo...

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Here is the food one, showing what families eat for a http://www.slideshare.net/hebasaleh/wha ... 892924week.

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Yes, you probably will binge on S days for awhile. I'm not sure you'll prevent that by TRYING to make them like N days before you've gone through the process. Bingeing on S days for a few months (or even longer) does not undermine the real value, in my mind, of No S. I had wild S days for two years,...

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Thanks, Jethro! And yes, Helena, France is one of the populations I was referring to. A "test" sample of millions. I was influenced by Anne Barone and William Clower, but didn't really take three meals seriously until No S. Apparently, even the French don't take it as seriously anymore, and their ob...

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Actually, at 50 cents for 2 ounces, that is still only $4 a pound for tuna. I think that is actually pretty cheap, since "Worldwide about 90% of the stocks of large predatory fish stocks are already gone." http://overfishing.org/pages/why_is_overfishing_a_problem.php (Tuna is a predatory fish.) At t...

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I'm so happy for both of you! However, I have one suggestion. Unless you actually prefer to eat only salad and grilled meat for dinner, consider not restricting yourself. The problem with it is that subconsciously, you believe you can and have to make up for wild S days, and that is a diet mentality...

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No need to "resist" adding to this thread. It's not an S to write! So glad you took the risk to commit to No S. And I'm glad someone else confirms the counterintuitive experience that it actually doesn't take more food to satisfy when very hungry. If anything, I tend to get full faster when I'm very...

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Here's my favorite quote: The only successful way for me to lose weight was to eat less, and the only way I found that worked to eat less was to eat more real food and less processed food. Maybe this seems paradoxical after my last statement, but I'm just so glad he didn't give ALL the credit to the...

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I actually eat plain nonfat Greek yogurt, but I always add nuts or seeds.

It's funny, I don't even think of most of yogurt available as yogurt. I didn't even eat yogurt until I lived in Iran in the late '70's. There was no such thing as flavored yogurt. They seem like a different food to me.

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Happy Valentine's Day!

Are you pretty much Vanilla?

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