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Oh, and I do recommend walking videos. They're more fun than they sound and I can do one in the living area of my 500 sq. ft. place. Not that I do mine all the time... but when I'm in the groove, I do, and I like them. And there are tons of 10-minute workout videos on Sparkpeople and on youtube. Eve...

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I've never lost my taste for all processed foods. I'm not even sure I want to. Some things don't appeal anymore, and that's fine. I'm also glad I love "real" food, too. It's so great to have a panoply of food available at every meal and not to feel I have to have one of the other.

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Welcome home!

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It's ALWAYS better to dodge a bullet.

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Sorry for your difficulties and thank you for this reminder of the beauty of separating food from emotional issues. The difficulties and emotions don't have to go away before the eating does.

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It is not a prerequisite of No S to eat "healthy," but there are a fair number of people here who are interested in whole foods, so I thought I'd post this.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014/0 ... ep-us-lean

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Hard to admit: cookie dough. Not even home made.

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Well, I had a colossal fail last night. Pretty much an old style binge. It was for something I had been longing for, had tried substitutes for a few days, and finally found the version I wanted. Okay, I think I'm over it. This time, I'm going to eat a little MORE at my meals afterwards than I might,...

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Sorry this is what has brought you back, but glad to think we can support you. Health conditions definitely trump the total freedom of what to eat on No S. Try not to think of it depriving you to limit sweets or whatever foods you need to but of your choices showering you with the benefits of modera...

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I saw my post from when this was all being discussed and I couldn't understand what I was trying to say! I'm deleting it.

Kids! Right?

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I don't think I've ever made mashed potatoes unless you count what I do to them on my plate.

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I'm pretty capable of being lazy right here on Everyday Systems...

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You are smart beyond your years!

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This is a great way to live. It can save a young woman decades of difficulty managing food right through all the stages of her life. French and Italian women go through everything living close to these principles. I hope your mom keeps finding strength in this way of life. Of course, she should also...

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Helloooo! Wouldn't it be nice if the rest of the world would cooperate with this way of living? In the meantime, there's this forum. I'm still here after 4 years. Still working on having other things take over my focus, but this isn't the worst one in the world. I could have taken up gambling, where...

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I have a compost bin which makes it a little easier to justify throwing out some food, though it's really mostly rotted stuff or vegetable ends that go in it. I live in 500 sq. ft. It's still amazing how much I fit in. My sister has a pantry as big as a third of my kitchen, for just her husband and ...

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Welcome! So nice to hear you've had such quick results, though most people go through a few rounds of downs and ups before things settle. I joined as well mostly as a way to reduce bingeing on sweets. I still have my moments after 4 years, but I'm also maintaining what was a slow loss of 40 lbs. fro...

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I've said before that I've come to the conclusion that the naturally thin person is an exception, thus hard to emulate. Culture and community helps limit food when it's freely available, though most of them don't limit it to a thin average. Most cultures with access to food get heavy. If the natural...

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Despite the fact that I love No S, at this point, I don't want all my Facebook friends witnessing my participation.

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You overeat because it's a habit. Habits are brain patterns that cause sensations and thoughts that spur you to repeat the action. Food is naturally rewarding for the majority of human beings. Only cultures that have guidelines for limiting food stay slim, if they have access to food. Nearly all cul...

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I like having old posts get bumped up.

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I bought some lettuce, grape tomatoes, little red peppers, and snap peas the other day. And half and half! Gotta have coffee. But other than that, I'm still chipping away at turkey, shrimp, chicken, chicken livers, stewed beef, English muffins, wheat bread, potatoes, cooked white beans, cooked pasta...

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Interesting that people wouldn't just come here. But I'll check it out.

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For the record, eating cake may lead to the DESIRE to permasnack, but it in itself doesn't lead to the actual eating. A person can have desires and still not follow them. The permasnacking is caused by permasnacking: actually picking up the food and eating it just because you thought of it, not the ...

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For the record, eating cake may lead to the DESIRE to permasnack, but it in itself doesn't lead to the actual eating. A person can have desires and still not follow them. The permasnacking is caused by permasnacking: actually picking up the food and eating it just because you thought of it, not the ...

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You can still have dessert every day. Just make it fruit and a few nuts or a nugget of cheese, like the French. Anything more than that is for weekends even there. And no leftovers. Enough for one serving for everyone and that's it.

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When you're stressed is when you DON'T need the cookie, or should I say that the cookie is just another stressor. The time to eat a cookie is when everything is going well and you can relax and enjoy it. I'm a pretty anxious person by nature and I've found that stressful times are better when I stic...

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When you're stressed is when you DON'T need the cookie, or should I say that the cookie is just another stressor. The time to eat a cookie is when everything is going well and you can relax and enjoy it. I'm a pretty anxious person by nature and I've found that stressful times are better when I stic...

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Regarding taking your S days, yes, yes, and yes. Your body will never get the rhythm if you don't enforce it. On the other hand, try to go with the flow of the weekend. If you don't have a lot of eating situations coming up, there's no need to invent them. S days are there to allow for the variance ...

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I also had established habit as my main focus. Habit and livability were/are my touchstones. I had lost weight before, but had always gone back to eating too much. I've lost 40 lbs. and am maintaining, tweaking what's on the plate according to appetite. As someone said before, there is no way to kno...

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OH, I also include any food that is in the larder, and if you saw it all, I think you would not worry that I might feel deprived.

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Just to clarify, having a slip and going back the next day or so doesn't really count as trying all over again. As long as you don't give up the idea of the pursuit, you are on your first try. If you abandon most or all hope of even attempting to follow the plan, and then come back, that is try #2. ...

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Welcome back! Look to see how you would really like to be with food. Is it possible even No S is too much restriction and left you wanting more of feeling you've missed out on food pleasure more than is worth it? I really believe people will be happy with any eating plan only when that plan allows t...

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No S is not a lifestyle in which you somehow quickly get to a goal weight and then live there. That is what diets tell you is possible and there is a 95+ failure rate at that. It is about slowly affecting your appetite so that you get happier with eating less over time. This does not usually happen ...

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Great testimonial in general and specifically for the term "hangry"!

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I"ve been experimenting with eating just what I have in the fridge at home. Good golly, I have a lot of food in there! I think I've spent only a few dollars on fruit in the past ten days. And I did eat out a couple of times. I also broke down today for some freggies, but I'm going to keep going. I t...

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I just wondered if you were trying to institute two restrictions at a time: veganism AND No S. Doesn't sound like it. Although I haven't seen many fat raw fooders (I know that's not you), I swear when I attend those events, I always leave feeling weirdly full. There always seem to be a lot of heavy/...

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Whenever the mice ate and lost weight, I still at this point don't want to fit my eating into an 8-hour window. I'll live with the extra chub for now.

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How long have you been vegan?

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I like this line especially: " Successful weight control is more likely to happen and for the long run if one is not too strict with one's diet but allows for short-term splurges." Though I wish they didn't call them splurges. I think the word connotes unmerited extravagance. It sounds to me like th...

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Don't eat after 7 p.m.? That would mean skipping dinner in France. Reinhard's still the only one, IMHO, who's hit on a really good version for the average bear, not the outliers, necessarily, of "just do this to lose weight." I think it should be mandatory for 80% of the overweight to use it faithfu...

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Bananas are always N day foods- unless they're dipped in chocolate.

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Oh, yes, cheese! I forgot the French obvious.

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It's up to you. Some people phase in skipping the S's. You may find two S's are enough for the results you want. The whole thing is about finding a routine that encourages moderation. The author William Clower, who wrote "The French Don't Diet," recommends exactly what you say, having what he calls ...

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I agree with BrightAngel, though it's just my opinion as well. But it does seem to be supported by a lot of experience out there. A person is not going to be able to go back to eating the same way she did as a heavier person and probably not much more than what she did to get to a certain weight. Th...

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I sometimes spend weekends in Temecula (about an hour north of me and south of you, I think, when the traffic is right) during the spring and late summer through fall. If you ever want to meet up there for a hike or walk, or just for coffee, let me know. No worries either way. :) I need to get out w...

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I've never used No S for weight loss and, though I love it to death, don't think weight loss is its true value. If I can't get there with No S or a close version of it, I am not willing to try to get there. I'm pretty sure I eat quite a bit less than a woman of my age and height would eat to maintai...

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I WILL think about that. Though she IS a doctor... It's interesting that Kathryn doesn't do any counseling. I know she has children but I have teaching colleagues with children. They work pretty long hours! Maybe she will when all her kids are in school. She would make a BUNDLE! It's amazing to me t...

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Kudos!

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It is hard to predict weight since it depends on how overweight a person is and how much he/she has been overeating. I was a binger in the low obese range. I stuck to Vanilla 100% (but with WILD weekends) for three months and lost ten pounds. Then I wobbled. The loss has been in fits and starts over...

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It works the same way it does in France and Italy, where it's doubtful men and women use different-sized plates but likely eat differently according to their needs and stay, on the average, pretty slim. They put on their plate what will be delicious and satisfying until the next meal. They are used ...

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I'm late to the party but commenting anyway. I like to have the whole enchilada for lunch! I tend to keep supplies of protein, starch, freggies, and good fats on hand all the time, so that I usually have the makings for lunches quite similar to my dinners in terms of variety. I've done it for years,...

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Sounds like a fair trade!

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See you there.

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Well, it's a work in progress. I wish I could do it more in the middle of the fray. Don't want to discourage anyone else with my results...

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Happy No S Birthday!

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Regarding "hoping," got it. Commit to Vanilla and hope for the best.

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oops! post got repeated.

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So glad to hear this. There is so much to be gained from taking the focus off weight loss and aiming at moderation, whatever that might be for any one person, as you've shown. Congratulations! Peace with yourself is the real goal we all secretly have. It's too bad there's such a hard sell out there ...

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Fearing S days is totally normal. Glad you enjoyed yourself.

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Here's a pretty good article about the battery of tests.

http://www.oprah.com/money/Aptitude-Tes ... -For-You/1

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Is the job issue just the present situation (boss, colleagues) or is it the whole career? Not sure how old you are or what kind of budget you have to make changes, but it is worth researching. If you think the career area is a mismatch, I highly recommend the testing done by the Johnson O'Connor Res...

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Why do you think you can be satisfied with so little food on N days? I know we're not counting calories, but aren't you likely eating under possibly 500 calories a day? Do you not fear the pendulum swinging at a later date?

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What are F days? Consider just hoping to be Vanilla compliant by Saturday. If you are looking for the scale to be the reward, you will be on shifting ground. Facing down those urges to make the small fails will be the best prep for adjusting your meals downwards, if needed. Lay the FOUNDATION for lo...

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You cannot control what thoughts arise in you unbidden nor get rid of them. They go away anyway. The art is to drop yourself into the part of you that is aware of them. Thoughts can never know themselves. My teacher tells us that they are basically sounds that appear in our awareness and then disapp...

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Please remind me how tall you are...

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Nearly all societies that have abundant access to food have this problem. You CAN do this. It's a very reasonable way to live. Stay the course, though. There are stages in adopting a new way of eating until it becomes permanent, not all of them easy. But I'm really glad to see that you see the poten...

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I'm curious. Is wanting to lose more weight the only reason you don't want to eat junk food as much anymore? Do you feel the same when you eat it as when you don't?

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Oops, meant to edit my other post.

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Yes, I agree. I think it's true of any behavior change, especially eating, because eating is so central to life and food is so reinforcing for most. People who maintain losses have to come to peace, for the most part, with the tradeoffs. The tradeoffs have come to seem less like sacrifices and more ...

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Vanilla is much more common among long-term users. Most people who use the mod successfully go through a period of several months NOT eating them on N days.

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Just as point of information: it is very possible to get and stay heavy eating "healthy." I have lived in countries that had virtually no junk food, but there were plenty of chunky people. It was not considered a cultural virtue to eat moderately and stay slim. Slim and heavy people of both sexes we...

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End the diet game no matter what! Ending excess has lovely rewards, too.

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Your prognosis is very good! I think you'll like the effects.

Do slow down and enjoy your meals!

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It depends a bit on how much you've been overeating on snacks, sweets, and seconds, and how soon your weekends calm down. It might be rushing things a bit, but you might as well start now. Results vary! In addition to Shovelglove, don't forget to add in walking or the equivalent. When you say that o...

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It depends a bit on how much you've been overeating on snacks, sweets, and seconds, and how soon your weekends calm down. It might be rushing things a bit, but you might as well start now. Results vary! In addition to Shovelglove, don't forget to add in walking or the equivalent. When you say that o...

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I included it because the brand actually claims you can get the results in a 14-minute interval workout. I don't think they can beat a sledgehammer for price and convenience, though.

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I'm not in the market for ANY equipment. I've got weights, a rebounder, and tons of workout videos. And I still don't work out regularly! I'm not "allowed" to even think of it.

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I took an S day today. I had been wanting pancakes and went for brunch with a friend with whom the plan was to share two meals. Other food looked better to us, so I saved room for a big pancake for dessert at home! I also decided to have some leftover Christmas candy and cookies. They tasted wonderf...

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Congrats on your test! And for not letting WTH take over.

I used to buy stuff on Friday and wait until midnight to start stuffing. I don't recommend that.

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I agree it's not a mod, but just a natural progression. I think No S is supposed to help us appreciate hunger for our meals more and realize it's worth waiting for, even on S days, with exceptions...sometimes.

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REgarding the Bowflex machine, which bars do you mean? The two upper ones? I think they are for working your arms, kind of like a cross country ski machine.

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How's it going, cd? If you're fitting in your running rather than posting, more power to you!

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Browsed your thread. Glad to see that eating more slowly is helping. It's not official in No S, but I think Reinhard implies that it may be part of getting smarter about our meals, just as what we put on our plate can change over time. I was already a slower eater before, unless I was bingeing! I do...

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Blithemorning, I didn't read the whole thread, so I don't know if you think you've been feeling any effects of perimenopause/menopause. I know that was part of the incentive to have a good program in place. I don't think I could blame much on menopause, as I was just bingeing as I had done much of t...

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Hope you are practicing eating slowly, chewing a lot, and enjoying your meals. I know it's not specific to No S, but it's helped me a lot over the years. That and increasing the freggies while I slowly reduced the volume of denser foods. It makes the meals last longer and I honestly prefer the range...

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Yeah, I'm curious how they figured that out, too.

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Are we getting a monthly update soon?

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If you'd rather spend a lot of money...

http://www.bowflexmaxtrainer.com/bowfle ... us/why.jsp

Thankfully, it's the 14 minutes of vigor that's more important.

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No S is not known for its speed in weight loss, but you may win just because of having more fun sticking it out.

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The thought of deprivation comes from believing that you are missing out on something important. It's worth questioning. Am I really missing out on something essential if I don't have a sweet on Friday night? Is enjoying a wonderful meal in a great atmosphere with my sweetheart not enough? Is there ...

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If you think now that it was too much bread, I guess it was the bread you THOUGHT you wanted. Soup can be tough. At home, I can always put the bowl on a plate and tuck food around the bowl. I've also used my hand as an approximate measure. It used to be I would allot myself the volume of two fists (...

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I suggest actually writing the list of motivations on a card and carrying it with you. Add in a few reasons you'd like to reduce your eating. I did this when I started 4 years ago and read the list every day for three months! It really helped.

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Theoretically, habitcal should work, but research shows people involved with a support group do better on such pursuits as reducing eating.

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Sounds like a good plan.

Remember that nothing can MAKE us pick up the food and eat it. It can make us WANT to, but that's not the same thing.

Good luck on preparing for your upcoming test.

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Isn't it interesting how when the food is not all there to start, it's easier to have just a bit more of this or that? It's too complicated to keep track in memory and the body's sense of what is enough is elastic enough that we can accommodate more than we need.

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I'm convinced that failures serve the purpose of eventually leading to calm commitment. Then No S doesn't exactly become a breeze every minute, but it's not the same as when you're feeling that inner rebellion.

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"I look in the mirror and think I look great. I don't look overweight, I look good." I think we should bow down to you! You have moved beyond the cultural imposition.

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That actually sounds a little strict. What will you do if it's dinner time and you're not hungry? However, if you get hungry often enough to be happy, then it could work. By experimenting, you'll find out. Theoretically, you're not doing a lot of eating on S days unless you're hungry. That's what th...

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It's good you found out there wasn't something more serious.

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