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Have you made a list of reasons you want to get your eating more moderate? And do you read the list several times a day for now? I'm telling you, it helps. Those reasons start popping into your head at appropriate moments. Don't wait for the temptation to read the list. Don't think you'll remember t...

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Yes, you do turn it upside down and the butter doesn't slide out! It's lighter than the water, so the pressure is for it to continue to press up into the "lid." Plus, it stays solid enough against the porcelain to stick to it, like a spoon with butter on it left in a dirty dish with cold water in it...

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Didn't keep track. I wish this thread came up by email every day! I think I got three days in. Better than nothing. But oh, how I don't like how dark it is in the morning when I have to get up and get going. It just feels weird to go outside to walk/ ropejump the 'hood when it's still dark! (I don't...

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Thanks! Not to say that we wouldn't be better off if refined sugar just dropped off the eating list, but this is where the health motivation falls down, in my opinion. I hear (mostly) women on another board drive themselves crazy trying to "be as healthy as possible" _and, oh! the pendulum swings on...

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You can choose to separate your eating from stress, but you would have to believe that the negative effects of eating from stress -being too full much of the time, etc,- are worse than the difficulties you would have to go through to stop. When would it not be appropriate to sit down to eat? I've fo...

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Don't be afraid to post pics.

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It's deciding at the MOMENT OF TEMPTATION to do it. I affirm that for you!

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Welcome back! I went for a short jaunt to Minneapolis. It was overcast except for the last day which was glorious. I think fall is a good time to be just about anywhere! My S days there were even better than here because I was at a workshop where beverages were the only "snacks" offered. It was grea...

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With all due respect, I think those are reasons to commit to moderation, not being sugar-free, necessarily. The French and Italians have much better health profiles than we do, but they aren't sugar or even starch-free. They just enjoy food in many ways other than eating it.

oolala53

There are some special butter keepers that allow you to keep a few servings out of the fridge and spreadable. In this type, the butter is in the lid and the bottom part holds water. Water keeps it cooler, but separated from air. http://www.acehardware.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1831850&KPID=157...

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There are some IE success stories, if you count the authors of books insisting on it, and a minority of lucky people in our culture. I found I couldn't make it work after decades of trying. Of course, I wasn't faithful to it. I actually knew I wasn't actually hungry many times, but I found I did not...

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I think wosnes means that many people in the beginning of No S load their plates in such a way that they actually have two or even three servings of different foods filling the plate, but on NO S those aren't considered seconds. They are seconds only if you've finished eating what's there and then t...

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I hope you can eventually give more than 15 minutes for lunch and definitely for dinner. I often have fruit and a nut butter or some nuts on my plate at dinner, but I often stop after my entree and veggies and just sit doing something else (read, TV- I live alone) for about 10 minutes before I eat m...

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Are you saying the entree is served on a small plate, and all the sides are on separate plates as well? Is there no where there is a meal-sized plate that you could gather everything on when you sit down just to gauge it? For lunch and dinner, I put a protein and/or starch, a cooked veg, raw veggies...

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I've been looking at those photo essays for years. The one from a refuge camp in Africa (Chad) always makes me question how much I really need to eat. However, I'm rarely eating when I look at it. I was surprised by just how much bread and bottled drinks on the Italians' table. I expected to see mor...

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Watch this and see if you don't get inspired to do what Bob recommends with regards to eating sweets, snacks, and seconds on N days.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0lr63y4Mw

oolala53

See if you can get through 4 days. Friday, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday would work. On each day, just go from meal to meal. Eat plenty at meal time and then your between-meal mantra will be "It's hard but not too hard. It's worth it to wait to eat." Say the last one much like Dorothy in the Wizard ...

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You are all so sweet!

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Thanks for the reminders. I really do have to spend some time seeing the correlation between successful strategies on No S and other problems. I spoke with the woman I'm going with and she calmed me down, too. She said the workshop leader often works with people who are not used to ANY accountabilit...

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Isn't it interesting to see how many times we feel the day affords us a chance to eat? Even now, I'll be reminded of getting candy at one of those little free-standing 25 cent candy machines if is has M & M's because I used to regard that as a sign that I should get them. (Most machines have candy I...

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Ah, find another curmudgeon/malcontent! That's always a possibility. I guess my big fear is that I will talk myself into retiring and then be sorry (financially) later after it would just be too hard to go back and after I hadn't been able to pull off all the grand schemes I left the workshop with. ...

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It varies and can be related to how busy and occupied I am. Deadlines for work make the biggest impact. Or being out with newish friends.

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No matter how much I don't want to be doing this for vanity, it did help that by the time I started No S, I was older and had fewer expectations of how thin I was supposed to be. Plus, I had gotten better, IMHO, at choosing flattering outfits, so I often thought I looked good. And I do now, too, eve...

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This is making me glad I wasn't working on my 40th.

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Funny you should say that. I've been thinking of canceling. It would mean losing the $100 deposit and possibly disappointing the woman I was going to share the hotel room and car with, but she had booked those without having anyone to share the costs with before me. I'd still go to Mnpls, though. Go...

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It is so important to recognize that you can be making progress even when you have failures. I realized this more than a year ago, and, funny, I just read it in a book about recovering from eating disorders- more for anorexics, but it still applies. I really believe there is great value in the REcom...

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In the beginning, being sure that I planned to have some starch I really liked at the upcoming meal often helped me stave off between-meal eating or even bingeing. Knowing I had that biscuit waiting at home could keep me from stopping for a burrito or bag of chocolate. It's similar to the "later" ta...

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The average for me is about the same as for you, but there are exceptions. Not usually less than five hours. Rarely more than six.

The ideal for me is to be hungry for 1-2 hours before the meal, but that doesn't happen as regularly anymore, even though I'm eating a lot less.

oolala53

How are things going, Skelton? Has your eating calmed down?

oolala53

Aw, you're not that computer kid anymore! Isn't it great? Happy happy 40th! It's a fantastic year. Hope you're having the sense of celebration you richly deserve.

And if you want to break out of the Ivory Tower there in MA, and make your killing in the weight loss world, the cheerleaders are ready!

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I didn't say anything for about 6 months and after that only to a small group, usually when they asked. It's not worth it to let people rain on your parade, especially when most of them, bless their hearts, are coming from the same dysfunctional (IMHO) place as the diet industry is. They don't even ...

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Thanks for all my birthday wishes. Foodwise, things are going well. As they say in Minnesota, can't complain. I'm wishing now I hadn't signed up for a "realize your potential" workshop in Minn. this weekend, but I've paid for the airline ticket and it's not refundable. I wonder if I can go and not b...

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Hear, hear.

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Wow, you do have a lot on your, ahem, plate. But really, it doesn't take more time to have three meals a day. They don't have to be great meals! They can be very simple, easy stuff. You think you need food to cope, but you really don't. (I did it for 38 years! and I have GAD. It was an illusion. Cat...

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One thing I took from the National Weight Loss Registry is that long term maintainers said they had failed many times before their last successful run and the thing that was most important THIS time was not to get derailed when they slipped up. Before, it had become a reason to give up on it all, bu...

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Regarding being a teacher, guilty as charged. I guess I can't hide it.

oolala53

You notice changes in the face, etc., first because the circumference of such places is smaller. Losing even 1/8 inch from your cheeks shows up more than 1/8 from your hips. It's all happening.

Toes haven't changed but my metatarsals sure show up more often! That's more a salt thing, I think.

oolala53

I think you've hit them. I guess I think of the forgive-and-forget as part of overcoming the WTH effect, and my version of it: "be tough-not mean- on yourself BEFORE you slip up, and gentle afterwards." Eating disorder specialists know that beating yourself up after overeating is part of the cycle a...

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Sweet! Making eating decisions that allow you to both enjoy your food and the good feelings in your body then and later is a real boon. (Instead of what effect it's going to have on the scale, in which you're always fighting your desires.) Your adherence to it may vary, but don't get discouraged. Ju...

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Remember that feeling of panic when you're choosing what to eat on weekends. Not as a hammer hanging over your head but just as a way to think about the big picture. Will you really enjoy the food enough to put up with the feelings later? This doesn't mean that you won't get to enjoy any food. You w...

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Awesome!

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Yes! It's not about the calories in this case, but in the habit. Drinking doesn't inspire excess.

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The "hunger" I might feel during or after a meal is different from the hunger I experience 4-6 hours after eating. It is actually more annoying, but it was the devil I had to defeat. It's extremely mild or even non-existent now. Worth the wait!

oolala53

It doesn't sound like worrying about the weight is helping. Concentrate on wanting to avoid that cruddy feeling later. Hang on hard tonight so that you can give yourself another time to feel what it's like to wake up without having eaten after dinner. Then let your mind contrast the two. Try not to ...

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I've often said that "feeling fat" is more likely just the feeling of having overeaten. Haven't we all had that feeling, now and when we might have been dieting, that we were actually thinner because we felt hungry? The mirror might belie that, but so what? I say skip the mirror and keep going for t...

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I have not felt in charge of my sleep for nearly 20 years. For a long time, it didn't matter if I went to bed at the same time every night. I often couldn't fall asleep or would wake up and not be able to go back. Or be nodding off at 7 p.m. That has changed in the last year. I'm just so grateful. I...

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Going out to eat tonight for a day-after-my-birthday dinner. I wasn't particularly hungry for breakfast and was considering having only veggies- yes, weird, but that's my go-to choice when it's meal time and I'm not hungry, no matter what time of day it is. However, I threw in some defatted bacon sc...

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Even better is that reasonable habits are becoming routine for you. It's very reasonable not to eat mini-muffins and ruin your appetite for a good meal later. It's only in our food-crazy culture that it seems reasonable to nibble all the time or that there might be something wrong if you don't take ...

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Are you using habitcal? Theoretically, that's all the accounting you need. Don't know if it would be easier to have to record reds than to write "fail." It's actually good to get really clear how miserable you feel after overeating. But if it's from shame and self-disgust, that isn't actually solved...

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Sounds like you got it. Just eat your three meals and participate in the rest of your life with more attention on THOSE things, not with food and body worries in the back of your mind. THAT IS doing something different. I'm so glad for you that you have this chance to skip decades of worrying over t...

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Nice numbers.

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Anoulie, when the pain is great enough, and it sounds like it might be, you have a chance to surrender to the process, especially with not having teh weight loss focus. I know ti sounds counterintuitve, but I think that is helpful, even though there are people in other cultures who overeat and gain ...

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Esp. when it's mocha. You can make them and find them in all levels of sweetness, but I haven't found they lead to eating more like solid sweets do. Enjoy now and let drop when the time comes, if ever.

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Welcome! No S is really worth any effort it takes to sustain the habit. And with exercise... ha cha cha!

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Ah, me. Hunger. I had a very moderate lunch yesterday. Six o'clock rolled around and I wasn't one bit hungry, but I thought there would be cake only at the party and didn't want to arrive having had no "real" food. I was still debating whether I would declare a NWS day because I have no plan for cak...

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jw, thank you for that metaphor. A dropped stitch. Come to think of it, I'm not even sure why a dropped stitch isn't more serious to the garment being made, but I know it doesn't destroy things.

I'm pretty sure everyone has red days eventually.

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My second week day off. WEll, isn't it just amazing how much flexibility one can lose in 20 years. I went to my first yoga class in 20 years (might be my last; I went mostly to see a couple of old friends, and I don't usually have the time off). Wow, I was tighter than a beginner! Of course, it made...

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Your husband is the EXCEPTION. People like that are the Mozarts of the eating world. The rest of us have to practice our scales.

Is sneaking food new?

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Ok, I'm a bit of a broken record these days, but I was looking up in the top of my closet for a lapa I was going to wear for a dance class party when I came across a kind of Indian dress (can't think of the name right now) that Punjabi women wear that I had bought on a trip to India in 1983. I've go...

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In 44 months, I think I haven't actually gone 53 days with no fails since my first three months. Hmm...

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No apologies needed. If everyone could just do it, no sweat, wouldn't need a forum. I love No S so much, I want to support anyone I can through the process. I'll do a lot to help counter the food madness out there.

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I HAVE thought of becoming an advisor, but since I've almost never paid anyone for any of this, and because Reinhard has done this all pretty much for free, it's a little embarrassing to think of how I might get a little money from it. So many people here know so much, too, and we all just share. An...

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My vaguely informed thoughts on this: When I say multigenerational, I mean back to the late 1800's and early 1900's. Even they are regarded as noveau riche by those who acquired their wealth before the Civil War. The upper middle class now are quite "new" money. New wealth is almost always enthralle...

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I haven't been very good in the past at adding to a created post. Not sure how to handle that. I went to a yoga class this morning, but I'm coming to the conclusion I won't regard that as my 14 minutes even though we had a lot of tough moments in a 90-minute class. I will fit it in later, as I've go...

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No S is a kind of self-love. If that's tacky, then love is tacky!

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If you can get 20 minutes in, that's awesome! Even a few 5-minute bouts on other days that look more packed can help. Your work-commute schedule sounds crazy. Is that 5 days a week? What do you do? You must be very important. :wink: Keep believing: I CAN outlast the urge to overeat. I had a good mea...

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Bugs for breakfast?

Wonder how you felt after awhile after dinner. I'm amazed sometimes how satisfied I feel an hour after eating.

oolala53

You know, consistent moderate exercise does as much if not more to reduce the risks of heart disease and diabetes as weight loss. Keep trying to do well with eating, but if you get some walks or something else in a few days a week, you'll be doing a lot for yourself. Here is an excerpt for an articl...

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I've actually been working out more regularly than I have in a few years, but haven't been keeping track very well. Maybe I will for the rest of the month.

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You are headed in the right direction. Sane lifetime eating.

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Okay, summer is over. How are things going?

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What is going through your mind just before you start to overeat? Where do the thoughts of your health go at those times? Researchers have found that when people are trying to change habits, at moments of crisis, they tend to overestimate the pleasure they get from the habit they are trying to restr...

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Maybe they sell those in Texas.

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Are you feeling like you're not eating enough? If your meals are satisfying, why take a break from "weight loss?" You won't take a break from exercising, right?

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5 good days a week have got to be better than 7 days of overeating.

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Glad you're here. Hope weather is better.

oolala53

Keep going, zoid, and keep being honest about how much you really need at any meal. It doesn't mean you have to live by it, meaning it's okay for awhile to eat more than you need. I think it's better when you recognize it, though. Eventually thoughts and actions will coincide.

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Hi, Sweetness. Hope your plan is still working for you.

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Hey, Sleepy, how are you? Please know that I went through some rocky times where to the outside it wouldn't have looked like I was on No S at all, but it still happened.

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Hope your autumn is off to a good start.

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Keep up with us!

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How did vacation go? Did you get derailed? Or have things just become routine? Either way, would love to hear where you're at.

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Come visit us on No S.

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Anoulie, where are you?

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I hate to say it, but when it gets painful enough, the problems will either fade or you'll become willing to do something you weren't before. It took me a LONG time to be willing to change my habits on S days. I wanted them to become carefree with no attention, which does happen for some, but I don'...

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Just some thoughts: French women don't eat differently during pregnancy. They don't eat for two, they don't think of it as a license to overeat, nor to gain much weight. (They also chillingly believe that a woman who gains too much during pregnancy deserve it if a man strays while she's "fat." But t...

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Sweet!

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One problem is that it's not actually tasteless (though ironically not taste-ful, either.) It's actually intensely flavored, either salty or sweet in a way that masks the real flavor of the food. (Actually a combination.) This has been found to increase intake, and that makes money because it's chea...

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THAT is an incredible testimonial! I'm serious. I think you should, when you are ready, put that up on the testimonial page. I'm certainly going to share it with my teams on Sparkpeople, if that's okay. I wish I could give you a big hug, though. That can't have been easy. But I, too, have found that...

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Yes, we surely don't need all the food we get when we eat out. But the great thing about No S is that we don't HAVE to find healthy restaurants. Though I prefer ones with better food. And I eat so well on my own that I don't feel as pressured to eat well when I'm out. I just like to. Keep at it, lea...

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I have recently been incorporating 14 minutes of any vigorous movements. I know a lot of them from years of fitness tapes and dance classes. I imagine Reinhard would think a lot of them fit into the category of undignified movements, but he's not a dancer! I use Shovelglove movements a couple of day...

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I know this sounds counterintuitive, but try not to watch the pot, meaning hovering, waiting to see the desires go away. Like an itch, if you turn your attention away for awhile, you end up noticing later that you don't know when it went away. If you can. I'm going to work on alternatives more this ...

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Make sure you have reasonable portions of dense foods for those salads. And dense veggies, not just lettuce!

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I've already missed that WIDRT. I might as well lie down.

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Thanks for noticing my quarterly weigh in report. Oh, yeah, it ain't over at 59! I don't usually like to emphasize comparing self with others, but it gets easier to be thinner than peers as we age. Being at my weight in high school now would make me heavier than 60% of my 16-year-old peers. (And peo...

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I would amend it to the sheer volume of DENSE food= protein, fat, starchy items. Scientists with money for research was one of my favorite points. [quote]The examination of how and why we overeat is like some full-employment scheme for physicians, nutritionists, scientists and professors, who have l...

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I hesitate to tell you... it was more than two years. N days made it worth the wait.

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I think WIDRT might stick.

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Thanks for noticing!

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I was typing fast and loose on those S-day meal combinations and meal sizes. Just trying to emphasize that I can't eat three big meals or even two big meals comfortably = sanely any day of the week now. But not every S day is sane for me...

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