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My computer won't highlight these, but here are my favorite quotations: But Madelyn Fernstrom, TODAY's diet and nutrition editor, says that the real-life takeaway here is less about skipping dinner, and more about simply eating less frequently. "An earlier study showed that if you ate three times a ...

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Many NO S users don't like admitting that it is possible to follow it and not lose, but I gently say that it can't trick your body into losing weight without a deficit. And it can be discouraging just how little the body needs. I know one program that I very much trust the truth of but which I would...

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I want to clarify that I actually find that physical hunger is much LESS likely to go away than virtual hunger. Or should I say I can divert myself more easily from virtual. But I don't push the envelope on physical hunger. I like getting hungry for the upcoming meal, but I don't advocate being hung...

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Any program that states or implies that you can eat something with abandon as long as you leave something else out is going to have a huge failure rate at establishing moderate habits, as its premise is that necessary moderation will come naturally just from eating certain foods. Of course there wil...

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But if IF cannot be implemented when other people are involved... well, WADR, that seems problematic. However, I have had some times when I lost my appetite for 24 hours and even 36. But I was always spending almost all my time alone.

In any case, I continue to be intrigued.

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Dunno what that name would be, but it would be helpful to have one. The British have the term "peckish" that I wish we could use for it. But in Britain peckish is supposed to mean actually hungry, though not ravenous, so we would be changing the meaning. Not like that hasn't happened! I thought at o...

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Your spacing sounds relatively reasonable, but it's your appetite. More than 6 hours is starting to push it for me, unless I'm involved in something really compelling. Five hour-gaps are more common. Honestly, even after 41 months, I am not willing to feel legitimate hunger for more than two hours a...

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Not just tiny dinners.

In any case, when I don't let myself think about it too much, and just enjoy the food I actually eat rather than dwelling on the food I'm not eating, it's fine.

All part of the 5-year plan.

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Congrats on the weight loss, but even more on the renewed enthusiasm from insight into the value of the process.

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Aww! An adorable family. And I see the changes. Keep going!

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It absolutely makes sense! And I've actually been practicing it the whole time on No S. It has contributed to some of the difficulty resolving itself over the past few days, at least for now. I have wanted to incorporate regular exercise for the last two years, but have not- yet. I do include resist...

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Nice to hear you sound so grounded! It is interesting how many foods don't seem important anymore, though a few surprising things still have a draw. It bothers me a little, but I have to remember that I rarely follow through. But I still think about the issue more than I'd like. Can't put that one o...

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Because my quarterly weight recording is coming up, I've been weighing each day. It makes me shudder for people who plan their eating around their weight. I haven't been that hungry, especially in the morning, and I haven't eaten breakfast the past three days. I've been eating mostly at home and hav...

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Breakthrough alert! so sweet.

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Woohoo on the return of 21 days and on the insight regarding the scale. I just shared a similar thought on my thread. It's mostly water that is changing. My food intake definitely doesn't justify fat changes that big. I' m not willing to live permanently trying to manipulate the water content of my ...

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wosnes, a similar thing has been happening to me with food. I'm not peaceful with it yet. I'm eating pretty much the same as I have been on No S, but I don't feel as good later, especially when I wake up. I'll often feel as if I've just binged an hour ago, yet I haven't even had sugar, nor an immode...

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Christine, there is not one thing you've said that sounds idiotic to me. It seems that in all your years of attempting to regulate your food, you just never stumbled on information alternate to the mainstream diet message. Plenty of people don't, and to many of them that do, these ideas seem idiotic!

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leafy, I think Reinhard was saying more about the difficulty of handling children than about a continued attachment to food. I felt that I couldn't even consider mods on S days for over two years, even though I was also very unhappy with my overeating and the rotten aftermath. I felt as if there was...

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Nice going!

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I doubt you'll have to sit down and think about the other habits. As you implement No S, they will rear their heads. No S is a great lens, and a great structure to use to justify ignoring those other urges as well as you can. (Man, I'm throwing around metaphors like a sports writer!) For a few month...

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I'm late to the party, so to speak, but sorry for your deer accident and congrats on not giving in to that seemingly innocent desire to eat over it. It's so common for us to do it that it almost seems like it makes sense, but if I think of some Parisian woman eating over something upsetting, it seem...

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I decided to have only two meals today. I was going to have brunch at 11:30 and dinner at the regular time because I felt I needed that much time between meals to work up the appetite. It felt good to get hungry for lunch. I had an appt. at 9:30 and was starting to feel hungry just before it. I gave...

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Having several weeks of strict No S under your belt is likely going to make your visit go much better. If all goes well, you'll be a lot more relaxed around food. It is worth the effort!

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That last observation is so good, about how you ultimately weren't even happy with the whole picture even when you were fitting into those pants. And reminding yourself of the advantages is a very good tactic, too. I have a list of the reasons I want to change my eating permanently, and many of them...

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Dee, although cold turkey is often recommended, and it is better, if you can do it, even "fasting" from one meal to the next is a small success, too. See if you can think of it as just getting through the hours until the next meal. I had many days that got me through. Still does, sometimes.

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Forgot to ask. What does "with no success" mean? You followed the plan and didn't have a change in appetite or weight? Or you couldn't implement it? I assume you've read the description on this site. If you haven't read the book, it's definitely worth buying, but a trip to borrow it from the library...

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Nice! There is e a forum for daily check-ins. Feel free to start a personal thread.

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Sorry if you felt chastised. You're much too nice for that! I have a couple of areas in my life that I have similar challenges in, especially with paper clutter. (Analogous to overabundance of food available.) I'm trying to learn to apply some of the lessons learned here to them. Equally uneven prog...

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Spoiled, indeed. In more ways than one. I say that with open arms and complete empathy. You say you'd rather not weigh at all but your whole focus seems to be on weight loss. Is there any other reason to change your eating besides for weight loss? But how do you feel about how you eat in general? Do...

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I had been bingeing mercilessly for a few months before I started on No S, (and much of the 38 years before that) but also tended to eat "healthy" meals already. Got in the habit of 40*30*30 years before. I lost right away (in the first month) but stalled and started again for most of the rest of th...

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Do you mean you did 2 24-hour fasts each week in the beginning? And now when you skip the odd lunch, is it because you aren't hungry for lunch or because you just pick a day to do that? When you do 16:8, do you have three meals and no snacks?

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Still not experiencing true hunger very often, but still trying to eat on a regular schedule. Not nearly the pleasure I used to have from my meals and fasts in between meals as I did the first two and a half years, but I'm getting a little more at peace with that. Went out with a new friend for dinn...

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Dee, your prognosis is pretty good, then! You certainly aren't fighting against natural obesity. Let No S get you back in touch with appetite. (My biggest problem is accepting how small my appetite is.)

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Thanks, jellybeans! I did "weigh in" here already, saying that I think taking the pressure off weight loss would be good right now. I went into this not aiming at weight loss, even though I did lose around 35 lbs. I was 10 lbs. into the obese range when I started, but that had happened only in the d...

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Are you actually hungry a few hours later or just wanting to eat? I always wanted to binge in the first three hours after a meal. If I made it that long without eating, I found I could wait longer and would then experience real hunger. SO much more satisfying to eat in response to REAL hunger. But i...

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I has such a big fail the other day that I'm grateful for a small fail today!

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And http://www.obesitymyths.com/downloads/ObesityMyths.pdf

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I agree that using No S to just normalize eating without worrying about losing weight would be of benefit just on its own. Increasing the quality of your food over time and getting consistent moderate exercise has been shown to improve health profiles even without weight loss (from Health at Every S...

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I caught the tail end of that and am glad to know what the details were. I did heard Trebek say something about jellybeans and some other candy and Never on Sunday.

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I understand that French children don't have a morning snack, but they do have at set snack in the afternoon. They also eat dinner later than we do.

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A friend of mine home schooled her two children for about a year. She said she used to go out on the back porch of her house and cry a few times a week.

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I think I'm an abstain-erator. Can't claim either camp these days.

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That is so cute about your son keeping you company!

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Bssh, glad you've delurked! Any chance you'd be willing to post a bit of your experience on the testimonial thread?

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So, did the article actually say how to decide it for yourself? Personally, I don't trust anyone else's experience unless she has been following it for two or more years because the odds show that certain behaviors have a likely of failing by then. Baumeister of Willpower (one of them) advises not g...

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I've been having small, consistent failures since I weighed in at a lower weight than I've been in over 20 years, and the thought started coming that maybe I could get down a lot lower. I started thinking a lot about getting to a weight I had been near only once since I'd been a freshman in high sch...

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Dovetails with what I've been reading about how the brain organizes groups of neurons into modules that drive behavior. A module that has been successful in the past is more likely to take the forefront in similar situations. If we take a new strategy consistently, a new module will form to drive th...

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I was a sugar "addict" long before the low-fat admonitions. My older brother is a sweet freak and has always been slim, never followed any fad. But yeah, low fat didn't help. But I don't believe the majority really stuck to it. I think they were mostly like I was: eating compliant meals and then ove...

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What a great testimonial! Do you know what your BMI is now? Not that it's the be-all and end-all, but it can help put things in perspective for readers. Age, too.

Best of all, it sounds like it's become natural.

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Glad to hear of it.

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I've had three pretty good days since Friday. I don't want to jinx it drawing any conclusions.

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You're really just getting going and it sounds good. Fridays are bumpy for a lot of people. I think we're conditioned to feel Fridays are a time to start letting go for the weekend. It's perfectly possible to have a fun celebratory meal and still stay within the bounds. Just remember that though som...

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Hmm, no wheat for daughter is a complication. I don't blame you about not being excited. I find I get very anxious about food and lose my cool when I look too much at food restrictions. I don't think the Paleo sites will be much help for other grains. I was under the impression they are no-grains. I...

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Glad to hear of the changing appetite.

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The Master called it. "Why are other diets so lousy? Most diets today can be divided into two categories: Pseudoscientific forbidden foods diets that pretend that you can go on being a glutton as long as you confine your gluttony to a particular class of foods while completely excluding others (no a...

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Can I get a witness!!

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Don't think I could listen to the whole thing, but I scrolled down below it and saw the blurb for an interview with a supposed eating disorder specialist who claims "virtually anyone can overcome carbohydrate addiction in just a matter of days with a simple dietary intervention." Hoo, I want to buy ...

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I don't think the wisdom was homespun. The homespun advice would have likely been, "Don't eat that; it will ruin your appetite!" But, leafy, you're right that the attitude was pushed on us-from myopic views, IMO. "Let's look at this reaction out of context," i.e., the ability of people to have acces...

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Okay, I'm in a bit of trouble, so to speak. I know I have gained weight- not a lot and I don't think it's a catastrophe, but it annoys me partly because I have this belief that it's not unreasonable for me to assume I could weigh what I weighed when I graduated from high school, mostly because I was...

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The paradox of self-improvement actually being self-acceptance.

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I'm having a little bit of a hard time accepting how little I need, but I'll either get there or make peace with eating a bit more than I need. Glad to hear your report.

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I love your story! I'm 40 months in and wavering after quite awhile of solid success. But I know there is no real sane option.

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Welcome, Christine! I overheard a staff member at school today. She had weight loss surgery several years ago. She got slim very fast and has remained so. But I heard her telling someone else that she is still a big person on the inside. I didn't hear the details, but I guess she meant she still fea...

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I find my tolerance for real hunger varies. If I'm out clothes shopping, I can eat dinner a couple of hours late. If I got legitimately hungry at 3 p.m., I think I'd have a hard time waiting until 6 without a coffee and milk or something like that. Sometimes real hunger goes away and sometimes it do...

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Don't assume you'll snack inappropriately if you get hungry. Beverages are allowed. Perhaps experiment with just one meal and not even every day. Above all, enjoy every bite!

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If there are no health issues associated with your muffin top, it sounds like you have a pretty good trade-off. The odds of finding something else that will get you slimmer without a lot more micromanaging aren't very good. Only you can know if it's worth the search. But it's be nice to have a diet-...

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Oh, no, don't reduce to two meals! I was just saying that if you're not getting hungry for your meals, you might consider cutting your portions.

The rest of it is premature, so I won't clarify for now...

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The only "mod" I might second is whether you're getting reasonably legitimately hungry for your meals. If you read the book, it's implied that you will experience hunger. It may be hard to gauge, but about an hour of hunger for a couple of meals a day I say is reasonable to tolerate. If you find you...

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Though I lost weight without exercise, I wouldn't negate its ability to nudge weight loss, too. If the exercise is vigorous, you will burn calories for more than the time you exercise. Even moderate exercise done consistently will shave off weight, if your eating stays moderate or less, but I wouldn...

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A reasonable, moderate meal. No S faithful. Still sounds like a green day to me.

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Little Debby and I used to be good friends, too. Haven't had one of those for years!

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I exercise only intermittently and I have lost weight over several years.

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I wish eating speed was the issue. I've been the slowest eater at the table for about 20 years. Sigh. But I haven't given up on untying this knot. It will just take time. TX!

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Oh, my, I felt enough grief at the thought of the loss of overeating on S days that I couldn't face ANY mods for a couple of years! It didn't make any sense at the time (still doesn't) because I loved my N days so much, but I didn't push it, either. I'll never know if it could have been different, b...

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I hope you consider just keeping this thread going. I think there's a way to change the name, if you like. But it can be helpful for others to see the history. That is scary about your daughter. I'm 5' 6", and I haven't weighed 104 since I was 10 years old. I agree that the more she sees you eating ...

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No need to apologize for long posts. Many people learn a lot from such detail, especially when there's not a lot of either excessive self-blame or too much letting oneself off the hook, so to speak. I think you are in a wonderful place! You ate in the early a.m. hours of Saturday but felt you were b...

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Or, just eat the normal amount and don't be so full. Give yourself a chance to get used to that feeling. It may be a perfectly normal one we misinterpret as a need for food when it's not, just as we may have felt any little twinge or impulse to eat communicated a real need. Unlikely. Ten days is jus...

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Just thought you might like to know that you are lighter than 65% of your age/height peers, though that is not the measure of your success. Your freedom is the real benchmark!

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If it makes you feel any better, I did some extra eating that I surely didn't need on the weekend. Extra fried chicken and extra cake AFTER having plenty and then ICE CREAM for dinner a few hours later. But the difference is I didn't weigh. I've seen it too many times. And I'm sure you didn't eat 21...

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I'm on your side.

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I know it sounds paradoxical and is, but I'm an ex-binger and bingers don't eat because they're hungry. I wanted to quit binging because I felt so crappy a lot of the time. No S made me feel so much better so much more of the time, but in the last several months, I don't feel better. I would often w...

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The welcome backs aren't over yet!

I don't feel I've actually gone off it but I've had a lot of fails the last 6 weeks, so I'm a little in your boat. Here to stay!

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Yes, if she didn't eat most of her food with guilt, it wasn't really an American diet! I"m surprised by the big breakfast, too. I've never heard of French women eating more than little toasts with homemade jam or a croissant or even just a bowl, yes, a bowl, of coffee with milk in the morning. I sti...

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I have three of Anne Barone's books, so I like her, but she can be very mean, calling overweight women "fatties" and such. Shaming techniques do not really work for most overeaters, or women overeaters, I don't think. They feel plenty of shame already. But I use many of her principles all the time. ...

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Bumping this up.

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I've been reading through some of your thread and hope I can offer some solace, as someone who has been No S-ing for 40 months and has seen a lot on the boards. Try to stop analyzing your S days so much (I know- painful! How can I do that? but any reduction will be a blessing) and attempt to give up...

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I've browsed through your posts. You're on track, if you need to hear it. I have to admit something, though, and I hope it won't discourage you. Bingeing was my issue and I'm 40 months in. I still get urges sometimes. I've given up expecting them to go away completely, or at least for another couple...

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JJ, I highly recommend against doing that. Wait until you have 5-day stretch of N days, if you must weigh. Or pretend you're on a long overseas trip with no access to a scale. What would you do? You'd get by without it. And keep working toward consistent moderate eating.

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Don't set yourself up with an romanticized view of "normal." Normal people do give attention to eating. It's actually not normal to completely forget about food unless you're eating. Even in slim cultures, people look forward to and reminisce over wonderful meals, and make efforts to eat moderately....

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I think the site physicsdiet.com still has the ability to track your moving average automatically. Ignore the advice of the hacker's diet. I used to weigh every day and average the weights once a week, which simulates how scientists weigh items they work with. Or measure your abdomen. Or just track ...

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I think you need to make conquering your eating issues #1. What if your smoking was artificially keeping your weight down ten pounds? Or are you aware that you've been eating more as a replacement habit and not because you're actually more hungry? Just figure that you're going to use NO S as a smart...

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I started seriously just after Christmas of 2009, when I was 56, and seeing that I had been struggling with this since I was 18 really helped. I kept thinking, I don't want to overeat all the time for my last years alive, and if I don't do it now, when will I? I knew I could take a few years to get ...

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I don't know if I already talked about it but the new "stressor" is that my appetite has decreased even more and I don't feel happy anymore with how little I have to eat to get hungry for my meals. I don't feel as much pleasure anymore from my meals, and that was a big reward for a long time, enough...

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I didn't try to rein in my S days for two years, even though they were terrible. I just couldn't stand the thought of restricting myself one little bit. But eventually, I felt so crappy on Sunday and Monday that I was able to start weaning myself off eating so much. For instance, I'd still start Sat...

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Oh, my. Actually a little worried today. I haven't had more than a few green N days in weeks. Yesterday, I had a full-blown crash the car eating day, though it's funny how much less food it takes for that. I didn't eat a half a cake or a bag of Hershey's kisses, but enough that I have an eating hang...

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Hi, girl!

I'm a little curious why you feel you need No S at all. It sounds like you found a system that worked. Do other keto people restrict themselves similarly?

In any case, welcome back!

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Caught up with your thread. Hope this month is continuing to go well. I affirm for you that you be released from any obsession with this, though in this darn culture, I'm not sure how that happens. Reinhard doesn't know how lucky he was to find a wife who is one of the few women who didn't stress ab...

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This is a little embarrassing. I'm a 59-year-old high school English teacher whom you might think wouldn't appreciate this blog, but I, too, was howling. The idea that a restaurant steamed its rice in cocaine vapor! And that he hoped naturally thin people would die in a fire. So mean and real! I hop...

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