Everyday Systems

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I'm glad! And never lose touch with the reward of vitality and harmony with your true appetite. Very few people win at changing their eating just to be smaller. If it did, people would stick to strict diets forever. The way it works long term for most is that they become truly at peace with how much...

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See pp. 56, 57 and 77. Reinhard isn't a big fan of artificial sweeteners, but it's not a central issue for No S. Beverages, both caloric and non-caloric, are acceptable between meals. He does recommend staying clear of fake or partially fake fruit juices.

Three years in, I use beverages variously.

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Glad to hear it, April. It's really WAY too soon to be discouraged. That's diet head. You are learning to feed yourself adequately and consistently. It makes sense that it could take longer than you expect. It's like learning a musical instrument. Even the easy songs are hard at first!

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I have a general idea of how many calories I eat only because I logged similar meals and days of eating years ago. (Lost weight, but put almost all of it back on before finding No S.) I don't like to look too closely because I'm pretty sure my calorie count is lower than I ever thought I could maint...

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Actually, the research shows it takes 2-5 YEARS before the odds of relapse back to old eating habits goes down to just 25%. I hope that adds to your resolve. The time will pass anyway. The sooner we get back on the horse, the sooner we get to 5 years.

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Reminds me of a time years ago when I got chastised by my then 14-year-old nephew for muting the sound during commercials during a family gathering. It was at Thanksgiving and he said, "How will I know what I want for Christmas if I don't hear the commercials?"

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Hey, how are you?

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If there is one thing I wish Reinhard had never said, it was saying it takes 21 days to change a habit. I know some research supports this, but research also shows that changing food habits is as hard for people to do as the hardest drug habits. I don't think 21 days is enough for No S to really mak...

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Oops! I was just trying to edit my former post... I hope you know what I meant by "healing your appetite." I feel No S has helped me heal my appetite, meaning helped me feel what I really need to eat so that I get hungry for my meals. I've continued to lose weight as I mostly tamed my S days and acc...

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So-called "healthy" food is not the same as "real" food. I don't think real food has so many requirements...

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L'chaim!

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I got sick in January and had several days of not eating much. I, too, did not eat any S's. I know I lost a few pounds, though I don't keep track officially but 4x a year.

Back to wonderful N days tomorrow.

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A couple a day, like a couple of cups of coffee a day, sound reasonable to me. Get the meal habit down. You can fine tune after a few months.

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Step by step.

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Great to hear of your down-to-earth attitude. This is smart and humane.

Commit to the marriage before the honeymoon is over.

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The thought processes are where the real work happens, IMHO. It's an inside job. That's why having all the "tips" in the world won't work if I'm not willing to face down the thoughts that could take me off track.

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I wouldn't weigh any sooner than one month, and then only if I'd been at least 80% compliant and getting hungry for at least two meals a day, including weekends, for at least two weeks. In the beginning, weight loss is practically irrelevant. The practice on No S, if done honestly and with some atte...

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Welcome! This works for the majority of people in France and Italy and they don't even know they're on a diet!

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Used similar beverages many times. I consider it compliant.

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You say you're not a "real food" person, but I'd bet you eat fewer processed foods than the average bear.

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Yes, within reason, the better tactic is to learn to space meals reasonably and tolerate reasonable hunger.

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Was this pre-potato chips, Fritos, Doritos, etc.? pretty Spartan. But interesting that it was 3 meals a day, even for a classic bodybuilder. People seem to think it has to take over their life. Sounds like it doesn't.

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I get anxious when I read too much in passing about low carb. They'd probably say that's a sign I need to go low carb! I'm going to keep going with moderation until it becomes more dire. I think strict programs appeal because secretly people think the programs are temporary. They don't really intend...

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Even three years in, I tend not to eat anything when I eat out until it's all there. At Mexican places, I wait for my meal and then decide if I want to eat any chips with the meal. I sometimes ask for a to-go container right when the meal arrives and put some of the food away then. I don't necessari...

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Nice work.

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Yes! Looking forward tofoods I felt were special helped me many a time.

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I wouldn't worry about fast food at this point. I ate a lot of fast food in the first year. I didn't always eat the whole serving. though. I felt full but not stuffed after my meals. Even then, I would have felt stuffed an hour after a whole burrito from Chipotle or anywhere else. I have brought my ...

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She didn't actually HAVE to go on WW. She could have done No S. :) Just for the heck of it, I did a quick search on maintenance success using WW. The first article abstract that came up said that of the group studied, who were comprised of the MOST successful of members, 16% were below their goal we...

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I had a rather big fail on the Friday of the 4-day weekend, but I didn't freak. Had two very tame S days and back to business. I've been experimenting with eating some very light meals (mostly vegetables) when I'm not hungry for one, even if the previous one was very moderate. I feel I have to tread...

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I think I'm going to ask my doctor for a vitamin D test.

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The way eating is supposed to be.

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I've always thought that flowers are rather expensive, but now reading this, when I think of how much I spent over a week's time on binge food in the old days, I could well afford a small bouquet on S days. Glad I read this.

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It used to be that restaurants weren't even open in between meal times in France. It might still be true of some, or even most, but America has had its influence.

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Being with other people can fill a "space" for me, so that I actually get full faster when I'm with them. I also used to be ashamed of eating a lot in front of others. Nowadays, I work on being willing to eat as much as I really want in company. Often, if I want more, it would only make me feel too ...

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If you believe it will help you stick with the plan, weigh. If you think it will end up discouraging you, skip it.

If you decide to weigh, why not choose Saturday morning?

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I want to do this, but I start forgetting to post each day when I don't get any reminders from new post notices. Not sure how to work with that, but I'll say I'm in. Wow, after I said that, I had a fail in the afternoon. So, back to N days on Monday. Day 1 Feb. 16 yellow Day 2 Feb. 17 yellow Day 3 F...

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Do you have access to anything that would show your fat percentage in your body? If you are gaining water, it's a nuisance, but I'm not sure it's a health risk.

Are you eating beans for fiber? Taking any psyllium husk or the like?

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What a great story! Glad things are better now. And I'm glad the doctor has your gun.

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Welcome! I hope you get all the benefits others (including me) have gained.

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Boy, I guess I don't know how lucky I am, unless this (bloating) is actually happening to me and I don't even realize it.

If carbs have such an obvious effect on you, why not limit them more? Are you a vegetarian? Could you not have more protein? Or Greek yogurt? Cottage cheese?

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That sounds very reasonable. Be sure you eat a very good dinner with enough fat to last you. I don't tend to get legitimately hungry at night even when I eat an early dinner, but when I was younger, I did. The beverages sound smart, too. You can always adjust later.

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Was it working for you to eat low carb, meaning was it helping you to eat less? If it did, why try No S? Actually, it sounds like No S is working, if you are feeling peace, unless there is a real health issue that demands that you lose weight, since you haven't. However, many health issues respond q...

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I want to do this, but I start forgetting to post each day when I don't get any reminders from new post notices. Not sure how to work with that, but I'll say I'm in.

Wow, after I said that, I had a fail in the afternoon. So, back to N days on Monday.

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I know Reinhard is rather a fan of shame, but I don't think he ever felt the deep sense of self-denigration that many women feel from eating. I'd say getting over the sense of shame and not mixing it up with the very real unpleasant effects of overeating was central for me. Objectivity is empowering!

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Been here for three years. Commit to healing your appetite.

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The polishing will likely take a bit longer than March...

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I don't really like the concept of self-sabotage. For one thing, it usually makes people feel worse, and feeling worse is not associated with success. Plus, I just think it is natural for the habit to put up a fight. It is a neurochemical pattern. Most people will go through stages thwarting it. I d...

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The people of France and Italy mostly eat three meals and I've never heard that they have any issues with fertility. They do eat mostly fresh, unprocessed foods, though I'm pretty sure they eat white flour bread and pasta. As far as I know, the women also don't regard pregnancy as a time to eat anyt...

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I definitely think it heals on many levels.

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Marking it and moving on is a learned habit, too. WTH is the default for most humans. It must be overcome by most. It is not usually a matter of people already being there. And that habit is probably as useful as moderate eating. Did you make your list of reasons you want to eat moderately forever? ...

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Congrats! You are qualified to post on the 21-day thread.

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A PERFECT time!

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I'm breaking a terrible rule by commenting without having read the book, but this line from the review gave me pause: "a one-week program to jump-start readers on the Naturally Thin lifestyle." I become suspicious when writers feel they have to promote speed. Actually, I do follow some of the ideas ...

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You are a natural! I went to a cheapie Chinese restaurant the other night, the kind at which a server scoops you up one or two entrees plus rice or noodles. I showed him I wanted only my fist's volume of noodles. (He still tried to give me twice as much as I showed him, and that's still less than th...

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Been having a few fails after dinner. Clamped down on it tonight. Two more until S days. 4-day weekend coming but no plans for NWS days.

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No S about not eating? Oh, my. I didn't notice the dates of the posts until after I saw how many responses there were. Had me going. Oh, the irony of feeling that No S saved me from binging, even with my many wild S days. Hey, 5 days a week was a huge improvement! And the horses are basically in the...

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Nip those failures in the bud! You'll feel more peace.

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I don't know the group, so it's your call, but you will have to find a strategy for these situations eventually. Is now when this group starts learning that you can't be budged? Or it might be worth taking a NWS day and have a few bites, but leave the rest. Either way, it will be a good learning exp...

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Hurray! It's going to be about all kinds of things over the next year or so. Just keep going!

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One can? Or one can per day?

Well, really, we have to know we're always taking a chance with diet anything. I roll the dice sometimes on that one, but not nearly as often as I used to.

If you're really worried about the local water, it might be time for a good water filter. Sorry!

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Very good insights. And if you can really let real satiety be your guide, which will take some learning to get, and some real time, I think you'll find some of that normalcy you'd like. Pretend you live in a country that loves to admire and savor food, but hates the idea of overdoing it. It's just n...

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RE: cake. It depends on how big the party is. I can't count the number of times I've been at a big event and found whole pieces of cake on their little plates abandoned. No one knew who left them. There might have been a bite cut but still not eaten! So you could take the plate and ditch it. Skinny ...

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I find my regular blender does a decent job for now, especially since the weather isn't very conducive to me to be eating frozen things. I've got frozen fruit from the warmer months in the freezer, but No S makes me want to eat with the weather more, too. Maybe after it heats up some, I'll burn my m...

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Yea, especially the asparagus bed. That is a real feat, in my book.

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It is great blessing to have the experience of having life feel better when you don't stress eat. It's like Dorothy finding out that she always had the power to go home, but she wouldn't have believed it. Who knows what it takes for us to be ready?

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Some pretzels, some grapes and some melon does not sound like a loaded plate. Even if it was, that's pretty light fare. I'm 3 years in and I had a small fail in the afternoon. I thought of eating a light dinner, but I opted to have a full one and I felt full and great. The good news is I can often o...

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How did this week go?

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Wow.I sure get off easy in my life.

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I recommend having it only if you feel really hungry and need it to tide you over. In my mind, things like kefir or milk are closer to foods, though I've used milk. There are better beverages for thirst. For general thirst, drink water or beverages closer to water.

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I highly recommend reading them every day, even a few times a day for awhile.

Eight pounds down while eating sanely! That's a coup.

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When I start feeling hungry for dinner early, I look back at my lunch and often realize I didn't put in any cheese or nuts or whatever. The serving is hardly ever very big, but it seems to make a difference. I've never experimented to see if the same thing would happen if I gave myself bigger portio...

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I highly recommend NOT talking about it to anybody until you have been at least 80% compliant for three months or more, and even then, let them bring it up. It is part of diet head to talk talk talk about eating plans. People get high on the anticipation and hope. Then they falter when the going get...

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I know what you mean, but let's hope we could grow another, more useful and successful industry, or expand other ones we already have. We might spend more on better quality food and on other interests.

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I feel I've done very well over the three years having milky coffee or mocha (maybe two cups on weekdays, sometimes even a little more) between meals. Lately, I've been cutting down.

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What gets me is that people spend so much time paying attention to studies that in the end examine only a fraction of people, while nearly the whole population of two countries basically follow No S. Find me a slim culture (that has access to food consistently and is not just poverty-stricken) that ...

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Just eat more freggies. Be careful about movies. I'm sure they were great, but they, like diet books, have an agenda and do tend to push the extremes.

I find chewing to be central to satiety. Freggies provide lots of opportunity to chew. Let your jaws do the juicing!

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Don't underestimate the power of routine feedings.

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Just worry about getting the meal habit down for now.

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What fits into your life makes a difference, too. Personally, I don't think it's worth it to give up the social aspects of food sharing just to get a few more pounds off. I've definitely cut down on salty foods, but I won't give them up forever to avoid any water retention. It's got to work as a who...

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Sounds like you have a plan, but I thought I'd add my own two bits especially since I'm single, though I've never been opposed to simple cooking. I make plain beans (usually have two kinds cooked on hand) and grains in bulk and freeze them. (Some meat, too, but less and less, and not applicable to y...

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I think you've got the gist. I just want to add that I think if you make it habit to eat things in reasonable portions (say, the volume of your fist), that will become the default. And know that it is normal to experience desire for food and also normal not to always eat because you have a desire. F...

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Madras lentils over cooked rye berries, mixed lettuces plus small red and orange sweet peppers, a beer bread muffin, yogurt with papaya and hemp seeds.

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Thank you for that link, Sweetness!

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Welcome back, Amy. It's a delightful way to live and enjoy food.

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I greatly encourage you to think in terms of learning to eat moderately forever, rather than having a certain amount of weight to lose. What is moderate for you will likely change over time, and may even resemble some "diet" meals- except you'll be choosing them because you like them and they make y...

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All this talk about snacking is making me feel too full. What a great freedom not to be chained to snacks- or snack food!

Except a lovely coffee.

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It was an exciting game, at least!

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I don't suggest you go for eating for hunger during the week, though over time, it will be gratifying to eat just enough at meals so that you get hungry for the next one. Same goes for meals on weekends, though it can be more casual, in the sense that it isn't as if you've worked all day and eaten o...

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I just tried searching that recipe at Spark and it gave me Simply Bake Tilapia with roasted vegetables. Go figure.

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It took awhile for me to get there on S days. Sometimes I do it ad hoc, sometimes I purposely have the same 3-meal structure with no additions because nothing sounds good enough. The hardest thing for me to deal with was that I was hungry fewer times a day on S days because I ate either a bit richer...

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Fast food just begets mostly water. There is no way you overate by thousands of calories. In my life, fast food (in the form of pizza or Mexican food) is going to happen sometimes, as long as I still enjoy it. I'm not going to forgo it to manipulate the water I store. But I do limit it because it's ...

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I'm so glad now that I don't eat a sweet every day. It's just too easy to want more, they replace more satisfying (to me, now) foods, and it's to easy for them to make me too full later. I just don't enjoy a little square of chocolate or the like very much. Still have mocha with stevia. HOld on! You...

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I surrendered to realizing that I had to hold out against the urges to eat when they came outside of meal time, that random eating was terribly unsatisfying; I wasn't able to manage it and it was only getting worse. I didn't believe anymore that any diet was going to save me. I had to find a permane...

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Domino's says it's their biggest day of the year.

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Happy 50th!

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Nice work.

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Gotta agree with BrightAngel. I'm often for the underdog but SF is just such a cool city!

But I don't have any plans to watch, at this point.

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I like that attitude even better.

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Sorry, but it doesn't matter whether people think a tan is sexy or not. Overexposure causes skin cancer; I saw it with my mom and now with my sister. Both of them got most of their exposure as teenagers. I don't know if it was unusual, but I distinctly remember babysitting a bunch of kids for a week...

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I would possibly eat a little lighter the day before, but even more likely the day after, according to my appetite.

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