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Low salt will be a challenge but your health is worth it. You'll also find that eating less intensely salted foods will make those old favorites taste really salty after awhile. It will make it easier to cut them later with more bland side dishes.

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It is really useful to put all the food together before you start. Reinhard would likely say it's more important to err on the side of too much food to start but have it all together so you get a chance to see what it all looks like together. There's nothing really wrong with taking awhile to have y...

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Happy New Year! Another blessed N day before the weekend.

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success in eating but not in movement.

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I think you could still call it a success if you made what you ate in your car the dinner, but it's up to you.

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In the book, Reinhard says eventually the perfect S day will be much like an N day with perhaps a well-chosen S. It can also be a day with no S events. So S days really boil down to N days with an S event or two-- or none. The difference is that S's are on the table on S days. Some people are helped...

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If you add sweetening to one meal item which would be analogous to what a person would add to a cup of coffee, you're fine.

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Hope the breakfast tactic keeps working.

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Good job turning down the cookie, Morris. Moms get caught up with thinking they have to eat for all kinds of reasons, but they don't need to. I guarantee you a lot of naturally thin moms aren't pressured by such things because they just don't enjoy eating like that. And they don't feel bad about tur...

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Do you mean you skipped posting here or skipped No S because of work?

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Shucks!

Moms in France and Italy do the 3-meal thing most days. And they LOVE their food. They just prefer to either anticipate it or enjoy it at a meal. You can become very continental.

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I would not worry about having a cup of broth in addition to your bowl of soup. I've sometimes had an extra cup of broth after dinner instead of tea or coffee or if I'm reallly really hungry while I prepare dinner, I have a clear broth to sip from a cup while I work. But these are always very light ...

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Welcome, but I highly recommend that you start right away. Get in two N days before the weekend of S days. You'll be glad you did! I also suggest you start reframing your thinking. Instead of thinking 'I piled on the pounds," think "I really started overeating a lot." Work on cutting down your overe...

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Well, you're likely not to get a consensus. I'm with Reinhard in thinking that the scale is a bad way to measure real success, meaning making new habits automatic. Of course, this demands that a person be as honest about keeping to moderation over time as he be with calorie counting. I get the willi...

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Ouch for negative tracking. I have faith in your abilities! but I know the feeling well.

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I gently and seriously suggest you forget the Novena Diet, and perform a real novena to ask either for the strength to implement Vanilla No S for three months or for the compulsion to overeat to be lifted from you. Even those who ask for and get the compulsion lifted still often follow a plan. Pray ...

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Thanks, Mimi. What a great response! I didn't realize the calorie counting was temporary. In a way, it's similar to my life in that I figured out some wonderful meals that were very satisfying years ago on WW, so that's how I knew my approximate calorie intake over these years on N days. I had gone ...

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I'm browsing the testimonials pages, mostly to see if ones fit some of the new members joining the No S team I lead on Sparkpeople. Nice work. I'm wondering where you get 7"dinner plates. I have some luncheon plates that are 9" that I've sometimes started using for some meals. I have saucers and des...

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Thank you for posting this description. BTW, I input your stats on a cool site and determined that you weigh less than 85% of your peers. I know it's probably not what motivates you but thought it might be interesting. It's so great to hear that people who are probably relatively naturally slim also...

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You can look up my testimonial. Binge eating was my issue. It's been a long road but the view has been very pretty a lot of the time in between some crappy weather. I hope you will commit to this process. Just keep going. Keep eating good, full meals on N days. Keep experimenting with eating better ...

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I'm not surprised. I've read several books that attack the interpretations made of data that find so many problems associated with overweight/ obesity. But all I know is I didn't feel that good when I was consistently overeating. It's ironic to think I may have decreased my longevity. I'll take my c...

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Hoo-rah. Glad to hear No S is supporting you.

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Commit to a minimum of activity and then no matter what, hold your head up high. Many thin people are not fit at all. A woman on another site I'm on was all worried about seeing people at Christmas time because she has put on about 20 lbs. this year and she is rather erratic with her eating. But she...

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"If you have an opportunity to have a social meal, then use that opportunity to organize the spacing of your meals. Use the beverage mod to tide yourself over till the next meal time." This is a great way to think about it and what I have been doing unconsciously. The word MEAL is as important as so...

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I wrote this on the thread of a member who decided happily to use calorie counting to help her determine her meals as she was not losing weight. It involves a lot of my thoughts (not necessarily new) at this time. I'm about 90% satisfied with how I eat now, but there's still that 10%: am I still eat...

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I'm curious to know how the new portions feel when you eat them and whether beforehand you were experiencing real hunger for your meals on N days. I cannot bring myself to look at calorie issues. I know that for most of the time on No S when I eat so that I'm just comfortably full after a meal and e...

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My eating bothered me more even than my weight so I started with changing my eating three years ago. I'm not a complete slug for my age, but I've never gotten a consistent exercise program going in that three years but have lost weight as my signature shows. I don't recoomend my attitude about exerc...

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Nice going! A few more hours in 2012.

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Well, December habits were not a total bust but I didn't stick to my plans, either. However, I still feel I'm ending on a good note and my Christmas went well and I feel my pants are still fitting more loosely after a few more pounds shaved off this quarter. On to January.

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I don't know if you meant that you realized you were eating more than you needed even when you were technically sticking to Vanilla, but if so, I applaud you. I know I am working with this now and once again, trying to wrap my mind around consistent exercise. I'm inspired! Thanks for catching us up.

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I"m curious to know why you think you need No S in the first place. When are you overeating? Before I started No S, I wasn't hungry in the mornings, either, but that was because I was eating erratically a lot of the time and thus overeating between 3 p.m. and bedtime even though I wasn't hungry. Whe...

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My first attempt at No S, I had one completely green week just before Thanksgiving of that year (late November in the US) and then fell off the wagon for the next 13 months with just a few green weeks. Dec. 26 was my 3rd anniversary. I got scared that I would live with food insanity for the rest of ...

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Oh, my gosh, you are so ahead of the game. If only I had had your wisdom at your age. I can't even say I wish I'd had No S because OA was quite similar back then but I was convinced it was not smart and too hard. How little did I know that everything else would be harder. I wish so much for this to ...

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Love your goal. Me, too, as well as respecting my true appetite at those meals.

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If you didn't overeat by 7000 calories, it's not fat weight gain. Just playing with water and waste! Keep going for green N days.

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How are things going?

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All we can to is observe and do our best to implement what we learn. Good job!

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Maybe the difference is between successful dieters and successful No S-ers. I don't see them as exactly the same. No S doesn't promise to make people thin. It says it will help people learn to eat moderately for the long run. In my mind, they don't even have to lose much weight to be success. People...

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Just to remind what Reinhard has said about this, though I don't mean to decry the original post. Here's Reinard from one of his podcasts: "Think in terms of actions and behaviors rather than results. Frame your problem in terms of what you have to do in order to solve it instead of what you hope wi...

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For the most part, I'm feeling darn good about my eating. Had such good exerineces on Xmas EVe and Day. I enjoyed the savory food but saved pleanty of room for sweets. Gawd, how I still love fudge! And my grown niece makes these candy balls that are cream cheese and Oreo cookie crumbs blended and th...

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I'm still trying to understand what "everything in front of me" means. If the serving dish is in front of you, do you get to eat what's in it? And who puts the food on your plate, you or someone else? Whether you want to admit it or not, you are controlling your portions every time you eat. No S dep...

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I think you might take longer to figure out your routine, but I agree that it should be possible. I've had some weird days at work at which without intending it, I ended up splitting the eating of lunch into two shifts. Given that the 3-meal structure works fine for me, I wouldn't continue with the ...

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Nothing like failing at a bunch of other programs to get a body ready to surrender to No S. It's the best white flag you'll ever wave.

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I'm a teacher, too, and No S works very well with my schedule. Luckily, we don't have lunch until 12:30 p.m. I might have more problems if we ate earlier, as a lot of schools do. But I find that any exercise schedule I get into in the summer goes out the window when I start work after the break. For...

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How do you determine how much you eat at a meal or how long a meal is?

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From what I've seen here on the board, the people who are successful with trying to have small amounts of sweets every day are the exception. The sweets just tend to multiply. Some of the successful ones have gone through quite a long time of success on Vanilla first.

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Agreed. Something is going to determine the portion. Being purposeful about it is reasonable and sane.

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From soup to nuts... an honest fail, but a minor one, I'd say.

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I didn't feel burdened as much this year by holiday eating, but I'm also glad to get away from the focus.

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Congrats on 4 years. Yesterday was my third anniversary. I had an off day yesterday after a really great Monday and Tuesday, but it was fine because I see now how it fits into the mix. Every fail is not proof that it will never work or an indictment of the previous success.

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Hear, hear, minkymoo!

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Actually, Reinhard says more than once in the book that overdoing it on S days is common and not to worry over excessively. "..I have heard from plenty of people who anticipate this (binging) being a problem, burden themselves with weekend restrictions to prevent it, and then crack during the week b...

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I, too, was conscious of my choices, but I was also conscious that it felt easy to do this year. Even my fails on other days felt less onerous and I think that has contributed to faster recovery. I felt so good about Xmas Eve and Day! But I agree with BrightAngel. I'm pretty sure even naturally thin...

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I think it also takes a long time to realize that diets don't help most people learn to eat differently permanently. There is so much media attention given to them.

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Welcome! I, too, toyed around with No S for more than a year before truly committing three years ago on Dec. 26. I'm the lowest weight I've been in at least a decade, I think, and had the best holiday eating in years, too. T I see things only getting better, and I think I'm far enough into it not to...

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It was a dance class I've been to many times. It was supposed to be over at 6:30 and I wanted to shower and go to a movie afterwards so that I wouldn't be sitting aorund food. We started late and ended very late but what a class! So much fun! I didn't get to the movie and did some eating I didn't pl...

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Given the extra S days I already allocated for this month, I wouldn't have made a snow day an S day. Glad it worked out, though.

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Nine days left. Nine of the toughest days of a challenged eater's year. The good news is the worst is almost over. Starting to have the feeling of a wild S day. Going to nap, dance, and divert, divert, divert.

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Uh-oh. I had a fail yesterday afternoon. I know it's because I'm trying to have more meat-free meals and am having some trouble with finding variety. I made a lunch that was just too light, and then with so many sweets at work, I caved. Oh, well. And just after a low weigh-in. Classic rookie mistake...

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Wow. I know that would be hard for me to face. But I also know that some things I've done that are now not such a stretch sound like an impossible sacrifice to others. I affirm the strength you need.

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When the student is ready, the teacher appears.

And the plan can always be altered when priorities change.

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Had a sugar fail. Not freaking.

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Quad-yearly weigh in done. Weighed for 8 days and averaged the total. 150.75, so 151. Have shaved off 3 lbs. since the fall equinox. I know most of it has been recently, as I've been experimenting with adjusting downward because I was not getting hungry for my meals even though I wasn't eating more....

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Hurrah!

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It's not odd at all how the mind works. It's in perfect keeping with the neurochemical underpinnings. It is of course your choice, but total abstinence is what sets up the fall. Just remember what the dynamics are if you stop abstaining. Long term, occasional users fare better. But they have to go t...

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I agree. If you think you must bake out of love, bake when the recipients are there to smell the aromas and see the sights. In other words, when there are witnesses! I'm always trotting out the French, but women there bake pears, not cinnamon rolls or red velvet cake. Maybe a souffle once in awhile....

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A Friday night party is the exact time to stick to a plan. S days are S days. Exception days are planned. You may have many chances on Friday nights to go off plan. If I eat my dinner on a Friday night and then eat more because it's a party, I deprive myself of the pleasure of moderation, of feeling...

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Hope it's okay that I'm popping in. Some people like to write just for themselves. If that's what you prefer, it's okay to tell me. I'll bow out. Just wanted to mention that there was a testimonial, I think it was last winter, of a guy who said he eased into No S and just 4 minutes a day of exercise...

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Roxy, you are exhibiting the classic signs of reigniting the attachment to sweets. If you abstain for long periods, as you have, the urges will for the most part go underground. If you eat the food again, the desire will come back and if you give in to the urge to overeat (the desire will be strong)...

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Success with eating yesterday and today.

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I've been taking lunch to work (and two snacks, back in the day) for 25 years. I was too poor years ago and I'm too cheap now to buy out. Besides, I bring better quality, even if lunches have gotten better. And I prefer more Middle Eastern and Indian tastes.

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No, that's public school. I believe I read that parents actually kick in for the food, but there are subsidies for lower wage earners, rather like our school lunch programs. Did you see that one day there was no dessert and two days it was basically a pear? I'm betting the portion would be considere...

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That sounds like the perfect Christmas cake anyway.

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Most of us are stimulated to eat more with the taste of sweet. But it can become a habit to eat only a small amount. Ten years ago, I think to Parisian women at least it wouldn't occur to eat a bar of chocolate. My understanding is that they have as quare with an espresso after a meal. I think your ...

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Here is one week from one area of France in 2012, I think: Monday, October 8th Salad: Tomato mozzarella salad Main: Roast veal with tarragon sauce, organic zucchini with sauce â€˜ProvenÃ§aleâ€™ (tomatoes, onions, olives and Herbes de Provence like thyme and oregano) Cheese/Dairy: Fromage blanc (a li...

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Just commenting on your "no grandchildren soon." I teach high school sophomores and I'm always saying to them, "You're not thinking about kids until you're 25, right?" They laugh, but I'm hoping it will stave things off for a few of them.

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Three months is good, too. So many people think the struggle will be over if they get through 21 days. Unlikely.

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Hey, welcome back!

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Just browsing around. Nice going! Wanted to say it was not my brilliant idea to allow for two extra S days, though I'm glad to be the bearer of glad tidings. That's actually Vanilla. Reinhard says you CAN (but don't have to) declare two extra S days per month for birthdays, HOLIDAYS, etc. The longer...

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Been following you a bit. It's great that you're still here!

Children so need models of eaters who enjoy food and don't give the impression that it's evil and/or that it's meant to be gorged for entertainment. It sounds like you are pulling this off.

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Good idea! I tried No S in the fall of 2008, had brief early success, then fell off for all but a few weeks until Dec. 26 of 2009. Then I made a year commitment, and it has stuck. I had some real struggles but I just can't imagine living with more restriction than this. I've done it before and it wa...

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I wish you well, too, but want to say that I've gone through many tough times in my three years with No S, but am so glad I didn't leave when it wasn't "working." Just because it doesn't stay easy after some success does not mean it isn't working. In fact, that is the trajectory of successful loser ...

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Nice work, eschano! I am wearing the same red slacks I wore last Christmas/winter, but they are noticably loser. It's a good feeling! I remember it took some very concentrated effort for awhile Jan-March, but that seemed to get me to a new stage and some things got easier. Hang in there, everyone! V...

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I'm fine with my eating, despite the fact that I didn't keep my mod yesterday. I was surprised by how good it felt to eat the sweets I did. I felt funnier about eating dinner later, as I wasn't hungry, but a few old stimuli came together and I ate. Ate dinner out and had even less than usual. Felt g...

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Welcome back, Sara C.

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Do you have the book? There is some good stuff on eating when hungry starting on page 50. I think Reinhard has said that his dinner time is earlier now than when he wrote the book because of his kids. For the sake of routine and sociability, I think the idea is to eat together. This would mean you'd...

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It sounds like you had a nice time. Good! As you saw, not everyone didn't eat more dessert out of politeness. They'd just had enough. Thin people don't like being too full, except maybe once in a great while. I know it's said that they do monitor their food, but I don't believe they are plagued for ...

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Good going! Small slips and quick recovery are nice deposits in the sane eating bank account.

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No, I don;t think you'll gain it back. Maybe you've just been overeating for a long time and you're just naturally in the deficit that releases fat from your body. Plus your goal was probably not your body's natural weight. If you're eating happily, just keep going. Your body will find its place to ...

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First of all, props on being accepted at Duke! I had a lot of social fun at college, but I still remember the excitement of the intellectual openings as well. So much ahead of you! Actually, there are no new tips. Accept that No S is the best eating deal out there. Go back and re-read everything in ...

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It's not actually my stockings that got unstuffed with No S...

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Body image issues are mentally painful and rob you of much of life no matter how much you weigh. In other words, you don't need to weigh a certain amount to "qualify" for help. You have a mental image problem and a self-valuing problem, not a weight problem. You deserve help. The fact that you don't...

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I know I consistently eat less now after having lost 40 lbs. to get to and stay at this weight than I did when I weighed it the first time, (though I have to say it doesn't feel hard to do- I think it is because I wasn't always that heavy, though I've never been very thin and am not now.) I think it...

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I'm glad you brought this up because even here I see an emphasis by some on aiming for rather low weights when habits are the real issue. I still maintain that for many, though not all (I say in advance to my detractors), trying to use the image or a weight for the goal and eating as a means to get ...

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I want to second the recommendation that you not aim at a certain weight by any certain date, but do aim at perfecting the habits. Though successful maintainers do tend to weigh themselves, they represent an abominable success rate for weight losers, meaning most people who try to alter their eating...

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May I gently ask how this mod works better for you than Vanilla?

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I'm with BrightAngel for starting today. Be honest and assess your hunger for dinner, though don't skip it. Try to see that perhaps having a broth-based soup and a hunk of bread or the like is just a rational way to have the semblance of a meal without eating a lot, much like a "normal" person would...

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I lived very close to what you are talking about for long periods of time. I echo what at least one of the other posters has said- that this is bigger than just a simple desire to drop a few pounds. If you are willing to join Sparkpeople (for free), you can see there that I lead a group on Living Bi...

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Never believe your thoughts after you've been eating a lot. Overeating definitely affects your thoughts, especially too much refined food. It's also part of the habit, so the two get linked. I'm not sure how busy you have to be, but humans for millions of years led lives greatly reduced in activity ...

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Oh, BTW, a fellow binge recoverer on another board who's had quite a bit of success said many of her new good habits she got using Martha Beck's 4-day win principles. My friend also now uses No S, though because of a health problem, she tracks her food for a medical nutritionist. I forgot to say tha...

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