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oolala53

Except for my beloved coffee and mocha, I don't snack on weekdays and I'm really wondering why I keep doing it on weekends. It rarely adds enough pleasure to make up for how it ruins my appetite for meals. I also saw that Victoria has gone vegan. Good golly, can't more role models just eat without g...

oolala53

Because I'm still looking for the way the (now mild but still annoying) overeating on S days can be managed, I stumbled on a book by Victoria Moran called Fit from Within. Apparently, she's been an anti-diet but spiritual proponent of weight loss since 1999. I know it wouldn't have turned me around ...

oolala53

Forgot to say if you haven't registered with the National Weight Loss Registry, please do. We need more examples of people who've lost and maintained (or even lost more) the way millions of people in the world maintain a reasonable weight: discrete meals of a variety of foods with little or no snack...

oolala53

If you want to complicate things, try this link. Glycemic index can be affected by combination with other foods, either increasing or decreasing the effect of a high glycemic food. http://nutritiondata.self.com/topics/glycemic-index However, if your nutritionist says it's okay, for habit's sake, it ...

oolala53

I'd start with what the nutritionist advised.(40-55% carb.) 45-60% protein and fat leaves you with a lot of options. (I used 40-30-30 as a diet once and my meals resemble that a lot of the time now because I just like the mix. Doesn't take much to get to 30% fat but I think it makes the meals much m...

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Aaah, that changes things. Are you not eligible to see a nutritionist who specializes in diabetes?

oolala53

I think you will actually enjoy yourself more if you stick to No S on N days (unless you decide ahead of time to take your two monthly extra S days.) I think if you know you are going to an EXTRA special place, you can decide you'll have one S event if the place merits it. Otherwise, remember the Fr...

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I visited your blog. Very ambitious. I feel I must say you have a lot of S's, more, frankly, than is probably habit-friendly. Could you possibly plan on phasing them out over a year? (talking about your No S margin notes.) Did I miss how much you expect yourself to exercise each day? What's the mini...

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Holy spam alert!

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In terms of long term maintenance and health, this is likely a small issue, if I may say so. Many successful long term No S-ers are vegetarians and judging by the check-in threads of many who actually record their food, fiber doesn't seem to be a big concern, nor combining plant protein sources, eit...

oolala53

Thanks, Blithe Morning. I think that's more what I was talking about. I realize now what I meant was what have you replaced dwelling on food and weight loss as a PROBLEM with? Or maybe you never did, if you were lucky. Even after 32 months, I find I'm caught between an identity as someone who isn't ...

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I didn't mean not thinking about food at all, but just a difference in the emphasis, perhaps that the thoughts are less about the problems of food and less about the importance of being thin. I agree that IE left too much up to chance and isn't even accurate in that most thin people also often plan ...

oolala53

In line with a post I made in which I said we have to find other activities and topics to spend time on, I'm wondering if any long-timers have found other interests or subjects to think about that have replaced the attention to food and weight loss. Do you feel your life has expanded? Or is it a non...

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Were you hungry most times you ate what you wanted?

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And you tried beverages between meals to tide you over? I still do that.

oolala53

How serendipitous! It's the things that go wrong on a trip that make for the best stories.

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Congratulations!

oolala53

Do you think you gained fat during Super Slow? Did you not lose size?

I did Super Slow years ago and did increase strength but it didn't change my body much. My eating was very undisciplined.

oolala53

If TUK is drinking less, someone must be guzzling...

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It depends for me on what I'm "stuffed" from. I feel rather full from my regular meals but I eat a lot of volume in freggies. That feeling doesn't stay long. When I eat out and have fewer light foods, I have to eat a lot less volume to keep from feeling too full for quite awhile. But in neither case...

oolala53

heddi, what I was saying is that we already have an Intelligent Dietary Defaults thread with people's suggestions for quick meals, most even a bit more than Reinhard's optimized oatmeal.

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1732

oolala53

Zippy, I'd like to hear what you did to improve your shopping experience. And congrats on one job! My school year started on July 23 and I am already thinking about our fall break...

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SpiritSong, you and I should somehow merge...

oolala53

sputtered and then lurched to a halt on exercise. Oh, well. On the other hand, I've had some very good S days.

oolala53

Didn't know Paleo-ers eat sweet potatoes. Yum! Is it the winter squash? Another favorite. And I keep a variety of sauces that make a big difference to me, even if the base foods are the same. I've been using more convenience (frozen) foods, but coupled with plenty of freggies, it's still been workin...

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I forgot to say one of the biggest problems with IE for me was being very hungry at other than normal meal times. When I wasn't working, it wasn't as much of a problem, but it still cut down on my being able to be social with my meals. Not a lot of people to share a meal with at 11 a.m. or 4 p.m. or...

oolala53

Glad to know you're basically feeling good! My school district uses a calendar called a modified traditional. We started this school year on July 23! So we're about a month in. In another month, we'll have two weeks off. It sounds crappy to start in July, but those two weeks end of Sept. and beg. on...

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How're you feeling, darlin'?

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Deb, I'm assuming things aren't going well with No S and possibly beyond. Oh, my friend, I wish I could give you a big hug! Or perhaps you've stumbled on the magic secret and don't want to burst our bubbles. Hope you feel like updating us soon.

oolala53

I feel I lost DECADES to the attempt to implement IE. It was just as hard as trying to "diet," though I do credit it with helping me get over food prejudices. I think a few people who have been heavy have learned it, but No S is just easier and it fits what several slim cultures do. Millions do No S...

oolala53

What a breakthrough! I think the misery suffered in the quest for a certain weight has been such a huge waste in these past 50 years, and not just for me. In fact, I always had a little voice inside me that said, I don't want to be a certain weight. I want to be content! (I couldn't imagine being co...

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I second bigger breakfasts. but also other beverages? Soymilk? Nut milk? I'm 31 months in. My breakfasts have gotten smaller but I almost always have a "milk" something between breakfast around 6 a.m. and lunch at 12:30. (That's eating around work schedule.) If I decide to give up coffee with milk, ...

oolala53

Hope you get your determination bolstered. Use the habitcal, too. And the catchphrase glossary. And the testimonials! but ration yourself. Expand your life, not your waistband. three meals a day and life in between.

oolala53

Just want to congratulate you but also to second that the honeymoon may end or not. No way to tell now. I say stick with the marriage even if the spats start. And remember to do your part to make the relationship grow.

oolala53

Not just an option. Dogs need to go on walks every day! He's training you now.

oolala53

I think all these should be on Intelligent Dietary Defaults (sticky). This thread will get pushed down and lost. A shame!

But avocado dip on bread would not be a meal for me, unless it was breakfast. I'd probably mash in some cottage cheese. Add freggies.

oolala53

Not sure if I qualify because I had a perfect 12 weeks when I started, but I wobbled plenty for months at a time in the first and second year. But still plugging away and grateful. Can't see not doing this forever.

oolala53

You are doing so well! It's like a dream to me to think of being consistent with exercise. but it's a little scary to hear how slowly the weight still comes of when it sounds like you couldn't reasonably be much more strict. Oh, well. When they talk about being able to lose 2 pounds a week (not my e...

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I looked into the Nutribullet and some similar machines. I know for my purposes, they would be plenty. A colleague at work was going on and on about the Blendtec. She was all excited about the idea of it whirring the stuff so fast that it would make soup, hot soup. I was thinking, isn't that what yo...

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I think you are wise to accept that it's good to keep up with this board. Even after 5 years, those few who lose weight and keep it off still have a 25% chance of relapsing. If we live in places that totally supported our habits, it might be different, but we don't. Food is likely available all the ...

oolala53

I have a hard time accepting that I need way less food than I want on S days. It's not an issue on N days. I don't know why I can't be happy with the idea of most days being N days, except for really special times, since I like my N days so much! I still associate missing out with not getting to eat...

oolala53

This is wonderful! Not everyone keeps up with this thread, so do share on the general board, if you like.

oolala53

Just the basics. That's all you can ask for now.

oolala53

Sure. It won't have quite the same effect because of the weight distribution, but that's a minor point for now. Just hold on tight. I doubt you'll need to wrap it with a sweater. I use regular old weights I've had for years when I actually do it. I vary 10- and 15-lb ones on heavy days and lighter o...

oolala53

Years ago, I heard a talk by a therapist who had studied spouse murderers. (Yikes!) This led to research on fighting in marriage. Many fighters didn't have other good shared activities. After teaching fighting couples some better interaction, he also recommended they take a 20-30 minute walk togethe...

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Notice I didn't count the work time. As you said, you don't have to commute. That's the hour and a half for many people. I'm not saying it isn't possible. Just harder for some, with decent reason. I don't relate as well to celebrity examples. I'm more inspired by your example and those of the other ...

oolala53

Here's a link to Ray Bradbury's story, "The Pedestrian," about a man considered suspicious because he walks alone in the city. Has a much more sinister feel. Worth the read, I think, after you finish your walk.

http://mikejmoran.typepad.com/files/ped ... bury-1.pdf

oolala53

How much child care, cooking, cleaning, food shopping, and commuting did Mr. Jefferson do? (I know he collected recipes, but didn't do the cooking.) With all due respect, if I had servants (ahem) and worked at home, I might be able to get two hours of dedicated walking (likely in daylight hours) in,...

oolala53

I think anyone in the U.S. should consider walking 5 miles a respectable accomplishment.

oolala53

I've been using mocha with stevia steadily for 31 months with satisfactory results. See below.

oolala53

Scroll down to the video called "the dreaded stairs."

http://www.publicstairs.com/

oolala53

Scroll down to the video called "the dreaded stairs."

This more properly belongs on Urban Ranger; I'm posting it there, too.

http://www.publicstairs.com/

oolala53

Wonderful post! but I am wondering what law firm job allows you to still be at home practicing the piano at 9 a.m... You must work pretty late! Still working on paper clutter myself. It would take me awhile just to get it all put away, not to mention new stuff. Decision-making is my issue. Not givin...

oolala53

Maybe it's the same thing. I might like the taste and experience of the food, but I can see ahead better than I used to. My problems are like now-- no one around and a day when I should be doing things I'm not. The urge to nibble is high, high, high. Writing here helps.

oolala53

Barry Sears claimed that most people eat about the same twenty foods over and over. I thnk he meant "dishes," such as spaghetti or hamburgers. Certainly seems true with my high school students. He said you had to change what those were. I don't think he meant to count individual fruits or veggies as...

oolala53

Glad you saw me on Spark. This site is so invaluable. Oh, and Beck's workbook was instrumental to me in implementing No S, though I ignored her recommendations to plan and track every calorie. I used the strategies that helped support these guidelines. I found it easier because I am convinced that N...

oolala53

Welcome to sane and delighted eating.

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I'm not sure where it says it of if it's just implied but you are supposed to eat the amount of food that will still allow you to get hungry for your next meal. So, unless you have a fast metabolism, which would be a surprise if you're here, you wont be able to eat loaded plates and still be comfort...

oolala53

Those are most of the fats I use. I find even a few walnuts can make a big difference in a meal, esp. breakfast. But since fats are so concentrated, it doesn't take much to get to 30% or more. I think you'll agree that weight loss comes from any combination of foods; the key is to find the combinati...

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Taffy story also reminded me of a Geneen Roth story in which she and her friend bought themselves Valentine hearts of chocolate and went to town. Got so full they threw the rest in the garbage. Next day, workman comes to the house. While he's working, she asks if he'd like some leftover Valentine ch...

oolala53

I've read good stuff about the Nutribullet. Do you ever use their recipes? They make a lot of claims. But that's not why I would get it. I'd just want something that could truly pulverize greens and the rest.

oolala53

I've used mocha with stevia (mostly) as the sweetener for 31 months. I might be thinner if I didn't, but I'm not going to find out soon.

oolala53

Very interesting. I also am curious how with all your experimentation it doesn't look as if you ever tried a more low-fat eating plan, one more around 20% fat, for any length of time. I personally wouldn't want to do it, but given how you have been curious and disciplined enough to try different pla...

oolala53

Where was the increase in snacking linked to rising obesity? Data here show that those who snack ingest more calories on average. Did this China study find the same thing? Man, talk about a drain on the health care system. Can you imagine if the heart disease, diabetes, and cancer rates are as high ...

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Oolala here and jumping in! It took me over two years to get to my normal range BMI. That was a loss of 31 pounds. I've been doing the same thing since then and always and have maintained for 4 months so far. It's not typical for those on such diets as you have been on to maintain exactly where they...

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Oh, and check this out from last week. Not exactly the same, but worth looking at. http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8797

oolala53

I had three months of perfect Vanilla No S and had lost ten pounds when I ran into trouble. It's been bumpy on and off but nothing like the decades of bingeing/compulsive overeating I had done before. In fact, I feel pretty solid and normal most of the time, but if you had read my check in thread ov...

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Actually, Wansink has shown that people who consistently use smaller plates eat less. Of course, even if you put all dense foods on a small plate and pile it up, you could end up eating a lot of calories. I would not be able to get the food I need to satisfy hunger (I'm pretty sure) if I didn't have...

oolala53

A nice beginning. Enjoy the honeymoon. The marriage has begun.

oolala53

Better that the book comes back than that the random eating does. :D I keep two copies of the book. One for me and an extra just in case some poor victim shows interest. If I give one away, I just order a new one. My goal over time is to read it as many times as I read Little Women when I was a girl...

oolala53

I came back from a 5-week trip to Bali (on other side of International Dateline) in summer of 2000 and it took weeks to get back on schedule. A real drag when I would be awake nearly all night and still have to teach during the day. Not just awake. Sitting up and active! Been through menopause since...

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Yeah, it's great when someone knows what to do. I had a good weekend, almost the best in a long while. And a perfect Monday. Yay me. Got about 6 weeks until weigh in. I had wanted to be down but the way things are going, I may have to be happy with maintenance. Weather has been very hot and sleep pa...

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I find NO S can fit very well with trips. I look forward to the meals and have coffee in between. I've gotten pretty good at not eating just because others are. It sometimes bothers them more than it bothers me! I just have an image in my head of a skinny housewife in the '60's sitting and having a ...

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I saw a Vitamix demo on Saturday and I have to say, I was a bit intrigued. I'm not usually because I like to chew my food but the purveyor made a creamy something that included greens and sweet flavors that was very good! I do eat veggies plenty, including green leafies, but it's never bad to have a...

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Instead of thinking, I can't stop eating at night, think "I haven't stopped at eating at night yet." That's the truth. You just haven't put together motivation and action. Of course you can stop! And you will. I night-ate for decades before No S. And not just a handful of chips. I don't say I never ...

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Ironically, I had a near-ice cream experience this weekend. I'd had a fine S day but impulsively pulled into the corner market parking lot on the way home because of the sign for "2 for $5" ice cream half gallons. The weather has been very hot and I was having a "that would be a good idea" thoughts....

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Woot woot!

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It sounds like I might have offended you. Sorry!

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Oh, I'm still around, but not good at recording.

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I missed the reference about the 60 cm ovens. I thought someone meant French kitchens tend not to have ovens. They weren't standard in Iranian kitchens when I lived there. Most of the cuisine was stews, kebabs, rice, etc. All stove top. They bought bread fresh from neighborhood commercial ovens. The...

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Reinhard does talk of shame, but the plate is as much for just having a limiting factor. Shame is for when you're piling the food up meal after meal with no reduction in eating. (Frankly, for most repeat dieters, if shame worked to motivate them, they'd all be skinny.) I've eaten less over time, but...

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I don't know about the others, but Fixx didn't die of the exercise, per se. He had heart disease. Running doesn't necessarily prevent heart disease, but it doesn't cause it. On the same day Fixx died of heart disease, probably a thousand other people did, too, but they weren't exercising. I think so...

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The U.S. is famous for having large plates. The average plate has increased since the 70's to about 10 inches, but many here on No S, including Reinhard, I think, have purposely gone back to smaller plates, such as luncheon plates. I use my big ones for dinner.

oolala53

Did you mean patient people? Or did you mean you would be too impatient to bake such a cake, but would go buy it instead? Or just eat other smaller sweets? I'd better stop talking about this because I'm now thinking of going and buying something sweet and I'm not even hungry! American fridges don't ...

oolala53

Sometimes I add a commercial cocoa mix to coffee, but I often make it, too. 1/2 cup coffee made quite strong, 1/2 cup whole milk or a bit less and some half and half, 2 t. cocoa powder, and stevia. Maybe cinnamon once in awhile. Maybe vanilla. Fun! Ironically, though we are having a heat wave in San...

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I like this board a lot because there is so little attention on the craziness of diet and exercise, and because it's such a smart crowd, IMHO. However, though this kind of thing is not usually our focus, I thought someone here might know why track and field athletes I've watched on the Olympics have...

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Out of curiosity, I searched diet books on Amazon. I tried searching for a certain year of publication to extrapolate how many books per week were published. I was guessing it's even more than 5 a week. The search wasn't accurate, though. But just diet books yielded 75,268 results. Guessing that at ...

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I know I already weighed in but I, too, drink milk (in my mocha) or on its own if hungry between meals. Not only am I unlikely to overdo it (who binges on milk?), it has also been shown to have a satiety quotient similar to water-rich* foods like freggies without reinforcing that urge to chew. *wate...

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I'm game for that to be true.

oolala53

In the book, one of the justifications for not having fruit between meals is because then you might use that as an excuse to have a larger serving of something more dense on your plate at meal time because you feel you would have met your fruit requirement in a snack. I also agree with reneew. If it...

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I already posted but I'll add that at least formerly, I think the French kept hardly any food in the house, never mind sweets. They shopped daily, had small fridges, few cabinets, and cooked to avoid leftovers. What we would call dessert they had once a week and bought only enough on the day of the ...

oolala53

Don't know if this is too late. I would make myself a big mug of mocha or if it's too hot, an decaf iced coffee with milk. Milk is allowed. A glass of it? Half a glass and see if it's enough? Juice? Doesn't work for me but some swear by it. I've heard that some drink a lot of water with about a juic...

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On Spark, I know of one woman who has lost over 200 lbs. without surgery and another who has kept off 175 lbs. for several years with diet and exercise. I don't think that will ever be obsolete, but I don't think it has to be the only option, either.

oolala53

Sometimes I wish more foods would make me feel sick... but I wouldn't cut down on my S days. I'd just eat the ones that don't make me feel sick. I have found, as others have, that rich foods make me feel more full now. I find I almost have to eat LESS food total (esp. in volume) on S days because sw...

oolala53

I also want to say you are making a classic mistake in all attempts to lose weight: PREMATURE DEJECTION= thinking you're going to have it all get easy in a few weeks, or that if it starts easy, it's going to stay that way. No S is NOT EASY; it's just EASIER in the long run than almost any other way ...

oolala53

I see the pattern of weight being the focus. It's very likely that whatever you weigh after a year of compliant No S (if you didn't start morbidly obese) is what you should weigh at that moment, whether you'd like to weigh less or not. What happens after atypical weeks are just that- atypical. I los...

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I am sucking at this already!

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I kept sweets in the house for decades because of the suggestions of the intuitive eating crowd and their theory that if you know you can have it, it takes away the compulsion. It did not work. Good Lord, the brownies, ice cream, chocolate, etc., I binged on! While first implementing No S, I also re...

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I don't see how you thought I meant to cook anything in a bowl. I also use the same cooking methods you do. (No microwave here.)

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Thanks, Amy. Yes, today's plumber got the job done- in about 25 minutes for $150. He also found out that the previous guy needs to come back and fix the flapper he put in in the toilet tank. I'm not paying for that, goll durn it. Had eggs for breakfast since I went in late. Light lunch because I bur...

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