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Oh, I know one thing that got to me recently. I had taken a diet book called Cinch! out fo the library, mostly because I remembered that I thought her meals looked much like mine but I wanted some ideas for sauces and flavorings. Then I saw that her meals were actually smaller than mine, so I though...

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I've been having what I call small fails recently. Just bits and bites more, mostly after dinner. I don't do it at other times. I haven't felt bad about them but I'm realizing they likely come from the compulsion. What else? I don't really need the few extra bites of whatever and esp. when it's suga...

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Whiner checking in. Though I do love so much about Geneen, to me recommending intuitive eating, which is basically what she recommends, is only slightly more helpful than a diet. Believe me, on Spark, I come across those in the middle of the love affair with it, except it's mostly a fantasy lover be...

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Alternately, if you're going to suffer over an event that's coming, you might as well just do it once!

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Though you may feel like backing off, and that's fine, consider letting yourself just imagine that you could live rather freely with food/sugar some day. Just that it's possible and that it might take quite awhile. Just the it MIGHT happen. I've come to believe that God takes away the compulsion the...

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Hmm, I don't want to say the wrong thing here, but technically, it can't be an S event unless it was planned. It just seems that eating the muffin was not your only viable option, even with angel granddaughter standing there. Explaining No S rules was obviously not one of them, but others? You can't...

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I don't usually have a problem with eating out, so I wasn't avoiding it, but I realized I was affected by the fact that my friend was being so chill about eating. Actually, it was that I was aware that she was operating just from whim and eating because the food was there. At happy hour, the two of ...

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Deb, I gently suggest you change the title of your Beck list on "reasons to lose weight" to "reasons to eat sanely." It could take the pressure off the scale and focus on the core of peace with food. Let's imagine you were thin but still ate and felt the way you do when you overeat. (A lot of women ...

oolala53

All meal choices besides sweets are good choices on N S.

oolala53

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Liz. I don't want to say that I believe that we have a disease because of the circuitry thing, but it is a real phenomenon. But it is never all=powerful. I agree that an important issue besides the how often issue is how we handle slip ups. It's mostly a mental gam...

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Same friend and I got together with iffy lunch plans. She came rather late, wasn't hungry, and I said I just needed to eat at home. It was getting late and I was getting antsy. I have gotten better about waiting, but I've found there is a window of opportunity in which I must eat breakfast or lunch,...

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My homemade corn bread is definitely not a sweet, although I do use sugar, but I think commercial ones are part cake mix. However, it's probably not a sweet. So no failure. (Don't make it too hard on yourself!)

oolala53

Oh, my. Ms. Compulsion- you know her?- is having a field day here. IMHO. Okay, here is one of the differences, but I need a term for the kind of women who don't struggle with this. Women with no appreciable attachment to food. How about NE's. Normal eaters. NE's have no brain circuitry in place that...

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If I may suggest, though I know from experience that when i get in a real funk, I just won't DO what I need to do, that you go back to reviewing several times a day your list of reasons why you want to change your eating. And your Beck cards.

Which reminds me.

oolala53

I had a nice dinner and a small fail tonight. But did not and will not crash the car.

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I'm not sure I'll be much help. I tend to stay on No S on vacations. The excuses not to be on it just don't seem good enough to compensate for not feeling that good and not actually enjoying my meals because I'm not hungry. And there are always S days. I'm not a traditionalist about vacation. I don'...

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Well, Deb, I'm actually on the fence about needing less food, as my desire, though not as driving as it used to be, is still bigger than my hunger, and continues to annoy me. I keep thinking it's from having too many tasks I want to avoid. It doesn't bother me when I'm either very busy with fun thin...

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I agree with Liz. Why exactly was breakfast a fail? If you get too strict about what constitutes an okay breakfast or any meal, it increases the chances of stimulating the WTHeck effect. Now, that itself can be overcome, but it's best not to wake it up in the first place. How big was the bag of trai...

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My official weigh in is June 20. Wanna make a pact that we'll put our scales in the garage or somewhere else until our fall weigh in (I'm counting all of September as fall)? I'm willing to start now. Not getting to weigh actually makes me more likely to comply with moderate eating. I know that the b...

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Yes, it is true here. Processed food is very cheap. I think anywhere food is easily available and cheap, access to it loses its prestige. Wherever most people are poor and really can't afford extra food, plumpness means wealth, so in poor countries, as soon as people start earning more money, they a...

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Well, had quite a day. Ate popcorn for breakfast because they give it away free at the auto repair shop I go to, along with free coffee. I thought I was just getting an 85,000 mile service, about 80 bucks. Turned out I needed tires (I knew that was coming and was going to take the car to Costco-- my...

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Going out to dinner is not an S, whether it's planned or not. Unless you have sweets. But anything else you eat there on one plate is...dinner. No red needed.

Or do you always have more than one plate when you eat out?

So the only red is the cake and ice cream... if you ate it.

oolala53

You cook for the family but don't eat what you cook? Okay, I'm reeling. But it sounds like you like your N days. Unlesss.... you actually do feel deprived and that's what fuels the permasnacking. I don't think that has to be it because I really do like my N day meals but I'll still permasnack on wee...

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Oh, dear. How is it going?

oolala53

HI! I haven't read a lot so I may have missed something. How was going out to dinner on Wednesday going off the program?

boy, you are braver than I am, baking a cake and decorating. Maybe doing it with someone would keep me sane, but I think I might go sneak food later. congrats that you didn't.

oolala53

So there were falls in a couple of areas of life. Teh good news is it sounds like there are bruises only. Ah, blessed N days. Though mine don't feel quite as blessed anymore even when I'm compliant. Rarely hungry on same or less food. Hmm... Not thinking about what to change because I'm not willing ...

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I resisted sitting for eating for so many years. I was told this nearly 30 years ago! I don't know about anyone else, but now I see the wisdom of sitting, at least for me. There is no way I savor and enjoy the food the same if I am standing. When I'm standing, it somehow feels as if I am in a hurry ...

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half an hour a day! That would be a starvation diet for me, sadly.

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The researchers found an association between BMI and wealth in every country. Globally, a 25% rise in wealth index was associated with a 54% spurt in BMI and a 33% increase in overweight. (This from an article that said that contrary to popular belief that Indian women are fat, their average BMI is ...

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I'm curious what a magnum of ice cream is. I only know the term from wine and it's about a quart and a half! I'm not sure what other reason you may be getting the B shots, but the Mayo clinic reports that there has never been any proof vitamin B shots boost metabolism or improve weight loss. I saw o...

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Welcome. We don't eat sweets every day, but this is a sweet online community.

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I think the amazing thing is the Japanese people don't seem to need this. They just have a saying: Eat until you're 80% full. But I guess there's money to be made from the chunky Western hemisphere and not just the north. I visited Peru several years ago and it was shocking to me that in a country w...

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I'm cautious about whom I talk to as well. Usually I wait until someone comments on my weight loss and specifically asks how I did it. Even then, their eyes glaze over pretty fast. I have talked about my own experience at Sparkpeople on the Living Binge Free team and have had a few converts and hear...

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If that pattern is working for you, and you think it could be permanent, keep with it, although I'd reconsider the coffee cake. And do you actually like granola bars or do you just like convenience? (I personally just don't like foods that are so compacted. I like volume! but it's not the first time...

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I had what probably amounted to two mid-size slices of 4-layer chocolate cake for sweets. For what I will call snacks, a good handful of crackers and dip plus 1 cup to 1.5 cups of pasta with dip as sauce. Actually only two small meals in addition and a 1/2 cup of mocha. Doesn't sound like much but t...

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Didn't mean to imply high intensity exercise is just for weight loss. I love West African dancing- very intense exercise-- (did it 3x this weekend) and not for weight loss, though doing it consistently would likely whittle a few pounds off. I'll be working out hard this summer to get ready for dance...

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I've heard about that low-carb 2 days a week thing. However, I don't think that is habit friendly at this point. I just want to keep my N days compliant and keep moving toward eating sanity on S days. If I have a few months of that and am still really unhappy with my weight (unlikely) or feel I can ...

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Gotta unhook from the illusion that you need to munch on anything while you do paperwork. That it will make it more pleasant or more doable. No, it won't. It's a trap. Isn't the brain clever? If hunger is not the problem, food is not the solution. Yada yada. I only say this because I ate my way up t...

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Thanks, Liz. Yes, it is a bit shocking. I finally had a very light lunch and a slice of cake. It was all okay, but not like it would have been had I been very hungry. I thought I might be able to just skip eating the rest of the day as I was pretty sure I wouldn't get hungry again. I was right about...

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Goll darn it. It's 12:33 pm and I am still not hungry. Have not eaten today, not even coffee. I feel a little nauseous. It's possible that like a pregnant woman I might feel better if I eat, but I got a whiff of hunger about an hour ago but it went away fast. I'm choosing to wait until it comes back...

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Might there be a way to avoid telling them or will it be too obvious if you skip sweets on weekdays? For the nibbling, couldn't you say something like, I'm still full from X meal? Or I'm actually thirsty. I'll have tea/lemonade, etc. or I'm saving my appetite for that great lunch/dinner we're having...

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I didn't keep to the goal I had but I also didn't succumb to the WTH effect. I don't think I ate the volume of food I do on an N day. Did pick at cake some though I did have one sit-down slice. I felt okay about it. I've got that slightly nauseous feeling this a. m. Started to feel slight hunger a f...

oolala53

Hope you made it without eating more.

People with eating disorders have to be a little more careful about spontaneity. It's easy for them to fool themselves. On the other hand, they do have to deal with life as it comes at times.

Get that cookie next week!

oolala53

I think it's a myth that intense exercise necessitates snacking. Besides, No S and Everyday Systems is about choosing habit-friendly activities. I think you have to be a serious athlete to need frequent eating and serious athleticism is habit friendly for only a small percentage of the population. I...

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And to supplement what I said about spiritual musings, note that our illustrious founder Reinhard attends a book club that reads great literature and philosophy. I think they also partake of other spirits, too. The glass ceiling kind.

oolala53

Sierra Pale Ale supplements. Good one.

oolala53

Wow, your day is already done?

I love Indian food!

oolala53

OMgosh, there are tons of books on emotional eating but as I said, nothing came together until I found No S. Too many of them recommended intuitive eating, or eating when hungry and stopping when full of the foods you feel drawn to. Or they recommend snacking. Too much focus on the food and eating t...

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I gently suggest that what you often feel is an urge to eat that is not actually real hunger. My urges to binge used to come from the time I finished a meal until about three hours later. I just wanted to eat and I did but 15 minutes later I wanted to eat again. I think it's possible you are just ha...

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Thanks, Grammy! Hi, Liz. Our two posts must have crossed in cyberspace as I put this up and then found out you had posted. I'll work on that happy weekend after a nap. Might I need only two full meals a day? Had a light breakfast and then mocha at work. Wasn't hungry for any of it but wanted it. We ...

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Is the scale the only thing that keeps you in line? I know that when I used to think the scale kept me in line, in reality I knew I was doing things that pushed the envelope. Not getting hungry, eating too much at meals or, before No S, eating junk randomly. Too big of portions of dense food. Scale ...

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Things sound good. Yay! I've been enjoying reading the blog you mentioned in a post, Can You Stay to Dinner. How can someone so young get it? And isn't it amazing that she didn't have all kinds of relapses and such. She started and just kept going. Though it's interesting that she wasn't scale-obses...

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What kind of overeating did you do before you started No S? Do you note a difference between being hungry and having an urge to eat when you aren't really hungry?

oolala53

Don't let a cookie lead to cuckoo.

oolala53

Mine was funny stuff, but I'm still counting it green.

Hope your cookie won't lead to being cuckoo this weekend or on new N days.

oolala53

Drag, drag, drag! nice work not chocolating over it.

oolala53

I still haven't added consistent exercise and I've lost 30 lbs. 16% of my weight over two years.

oolala53

I don't quite understand why you think your meal "should" be enough. If it doesn't make a dent in your hunger, it's not enough food. Your true hunger is the measure, unless you have a health problem. Have you been dieting a lot? Even in slim European cultures, lunch and dinner consist of several cou...

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If you are legitimately hungry that fast, I'd say your body is telling you it's not enough food, whether you think it is or not. I fyou've dieted a lot, it can throw off what a meal should be. Some people feel little or no hunger on a lot less, but it's not you. Do not fear a bigger breakfast for no...

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Don't know if you have a chain called Trader Joe's but I'm partial to their high fiber cereal. No added sugar.

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Well, my compliance has been lousy, but I'm bringing this up in case there are any people who want to go try this with a June 1st start date. I'm still trying to believe I will do it, but my 90 days are done with the seasons. My quarter will be up June 20 for the summer solstice and I'm on the June ...

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I'm in. My quarterly weight posting is on June 20. I'm aiming for the Reinhard trifecta of No S, 14 minutes, and walking/cardio. I like dance classes and am attending a dance camp in July so I may push the cardio envelope a bit, but it will be for camp stamina. June 1. green and 75 minute dance clas...

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When I cut the piece of cake, I intended not to eat it but put it by my lunch just to blend in. I notice thin people will often take a bite or two and leave the rest. Of course, I intend that option only on S days, but it will likely be awhile before I stop at two bites!

oolala53

No S is about eating less, eventually, and for some people. right off the bat. Glad it's working for you.

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Perfect motivation for a green June.

oolala53

When I started No S at the end of Dec. in 2009, I said I was willing not to lose weight, but that I wanted to get more sane in my eating. However, I never had to face not losing at least some weight. I also really wanted to get to my normal BMI and thought I could because I knew I was continuing to ...

oolala53

Happy June! I saw what you posted about your weight. I highly suggest you weigh yourself each day for a week and then average it before posting it as official. glad you're getting your N days back. I had a bad run in early May. I've had several fails lately but they were so small that I almost feel ...

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For food changes, it actually takes two to five years. Many people have gone 45 days or more without certain foods or without overeating only to have the pattern reignited quite quickly. And there are so many food cues! But 45 days is a good start and will certainly take the edge off IF you are stri...

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I bought a cake for that retirement party this week and there was a lot left over. Hardly anyone around school wants it but it is really good cake. However, I didn't want just anybody taking it and I left it in an employee fridge in its big container inside two translucent plastic bags with a sign o...

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Symphony bars are so dang smooooth! but really, I haven't lusted after one for awhile.

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Yesterday I served myself a slice of cake at a little get together where people were supposed to bring their lunch. No one brough lunch and everyone ate cake. I had my lunch and no one noticed I didn't eat my cake.

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Why do you say the S day will be floating? I usually think of that meaning you will change the day each week, which would not be habit friendly. Don't forget the 4th S: except SOMETIMES on S days. YOu can make your one meal that you were talking about your "sometimes," IF you feel absolutely ready. ...

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I'm not sure I would buy any chocolate even if I went to Hershey because you can get it anywhere, no? or do they have special chocolate items you can buy? I think I might get a magnet, notepad, or something, instead. A nightshirt. That I could wear but I wouldn't be the one looking at the logo. Just...

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Congrats! but I'm curious: what percentage of your weight was 7 lbs.? My compliance on my exercise goals hasn't been good and even No s has been spotty. But I feel I'm finishing May pretty well. However, I'm glad I stopped in as I took some cake from a retirement party and was wavering about eating ...

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Yay for 21 days to come. Except for calorie limits, completely planning ahead what I will eat and logging everything, I used a lot of Beck principles and strategies to get going the first year, and some now, too. AFTER your 21 days,if you would like strategies to deal with the chips, let me know. To...

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I agree. Way too soon for her to give up. Sounds like she had time to think and is okay for now.

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And didn't that plate of food taste better than it would have if you'd had the bread first? Not that you couldn't have chosen to have bread once it all came. I just like it when I can see it all before I start, most times.

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Did you make it through the shower? Hope you kept checking in to see that you were actually quite sated. And won't you feel good in the morning? (That's something you can think.) Yes, being slim is not a reason to make exceptions for yourself. Look at Reinhard. He didn't think when he lost weight th...

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runlibby, 12 years is a long time! Okay, if you're honest, you have to know by now what a decent plate of food looks like. You still have to be honest with No S, whether you're measuring with your eye or a cup. and unless you were morbidly obese and are one of those people who really never feel full...

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Saw what you said on sarah's thread when she was ready to throw in the towel. And do what? People are free to do nothing or go calorie/carb/fat count. In fact, we did have someone who stayed for a year, said she was mostly green on N days and gained 12 pounds. She went to calorie counting, got very ...

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I'm taking the liberty of posting a very long comment from a Spark board from a member named Barcintl. As you can see, she took it from another site. I hope none of these things are copyrighted because I altered some of them. You are free to cut and paste to a document and play with them, too. Post ...

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I want to put a bright streak in my hair, too. I just can't decide if it should be aqua or pink or what. I'm thinking I need to get my hair professionally straightened or get it cut and colored dramatically. It does look dramatically good when I flatiron it, but it's so much trouble. It's naturally ...

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Just want to say that though my S days may keep me from losing more weight, I don't feel that they negate N days. May seem paradoxical, but green N days in my book are always a blessing no matter what I do on S days. I lived for 40 years bingeing probably 80% of the time. Reversing that is still goo...

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I'm trying to think I can adopt the concept of strict moderation for S days, too. It will include S's, but thre is no way I can eat as many of them as I have been and consider them moderate. You may have seen I'm going to review the podcast "Strictness."

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I did a lot of posting today. It increased my desire to be strictly moderate. Had a good day.

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sarahkey, this is all part of the phases of most successful weight loss. A honeymoon and disillusionment are typical before surrender. Successful losers usually go through a period of disgruntledment and either live in some kind of misery for a period of time before finally accepting one way or anot...

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The podcast is called, no irony here, Strictness. It's about adhering to moderation with humorous rigidity. It just occurred to be that humorously rigid moderation of S's is perfect for S days and could help me counteract that little voice that says I'm supposed to be able to just go with my whims o...

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Carpediem, you have even more reason then to stick with ferocious discipline to Vanilla No S and the last S-- "sometimes" on S days. There is a good podcast on strictness, too. I think I'm going to listen to it again myself.

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I don't know about your family, but it seems that the problem with eating sweets with the family means a lot of opportunities to eat sweets. People eat sweets so often now! Keep remembering: naturally thin people don't eat others' leftovers. They know they'll get too full. They don't even eat their ...

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70 is the new 50.

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10 minutes 6 days a week is worth a lot more in terms of estblishing habit than one day of 60 minutes.

I'm talking to myself.

oolala53

I don't know which is worse, the idea of training the wild boar or the toddler.

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I know I'm repeating myself but the information doesn't change. Bingeing happens on a cycle. To end it, you must stop the cycle and it will work eventually to interrupt it anywhere you can. At the beginning, middle, or end. Since you already did beginning and middle, the only place you can affect th...

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nice job having meals and some ice cream, like a normal person!

oolala53

Had a decent week, with a small fail Friday night on a girls' nite out. It's hard to take the few extra swipes I made at the bean and cheese dip with a few extra chips as terrible, but I do want to tighten things up. I wasn't hungry! Saturday wasn't good. My mods I had so carefully thought of were f...

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OOps, I found it. It's called Can you stay for dinner? I'm just jumping in without reviewing anything recent to ask what is the name of that blog I think you've referred to about the young woman who has lost about 130 lbs. about 60 of it while living for a year in Italy and walking her ass off? So d...

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No wonder I haven't seen you around. It's been 9 months!

Okay, don't think you have to mother us too much. Promise to spend some of the time here updating us not only on your eating but on your reading.

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Grammy, haven't seen you in a long time. Thanks for swooping in to save us!

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The body needs fewer calories whether the loss is slow or fast. This also helps explain why the stat revealed in the article linked on the "Do the Math, thread: that it takes about THREE YEARS of having decreased calorie intake by 100 calories a day to lose ten pounds. If the body kept burning at th...

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It seems on the daily check-ins there are a few people who feel S days are their biggest problem. I keep trying to bring this thread up so that we have an organized way of keeping up with each other and for reaching out to others. I think we should all commit to listening to one of the podcasts devo...

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