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I have done crappy on my May challenge, as I have all along trying to get exercise going. This is how it must be for those who can't establish some consistent green weeks. Man, I feel for them! It's just 14 minutes a day! But I have to eat and I don't have to exercise... oh, well, the month isn't ov...

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Sensa does cut appetite and people do eat less. It isn't for people who want to lose the last ten pounds to be model thin. the other problem is that it is not inexpensive and you must take it permanently. It only temporarily changes your appetite. Dr. Oz has basically become a self-help magazine tha...

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Glad it is resonating for some. Carpediem, I think people thinking of two S days as 2x24-hour days is a problem. I know it's not official anywhere on No S, but on another site that allowed free eating on a day, the originator said it was important for people to think of the day as starting in the mo...

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"The difference between those who are successful with healthy lifestyle change and those who drop out is not that the successful ones don't struggle but that they bounce back!" from Coach Yourself Thin: Five Steps to Retrain Your Mind, Reclaim Your Power, and Lose the Weight for Good[/u] by Greg Hot...

oolala53

Sounds good, Deb. Esp. that pie! I'm hoping for a good weekend. I agree about the thoughts. If you don't have the right thoughts or purposely think them while you are establishing the habits, you probably won't establish them! Then thought it less involved. Your thought that bingeing and whatever pl...

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Cool, huh? But there is no way to be notified of new threads, so you have to check the relevant section of the index.

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I think I qualify but I was having problems before I went to a wedding the week of May 12 and i've recovered. Suggestion for those who feel inner pressure to join in with others. Depends on what the reason is. If it si that you think they want you to, remember that naturally thin people rarely succu...

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How did you do this week? enjoy your S days and keep going!

oolala53

Yes, NO CHOICE is a great one! My colleagues have chocolate or cookies or something for everyone at lunch just about every day. I never even consider any of the offerings, though I have put lemon bars in the freezer at work to take home for the weekend. I was gong through a phase a few weeks ago in ...

oolala53

Sure, but extrapolating from the data, it would still take about a year to lose ten pounds. Some people start with an attitude for the long run and others don't. They might get a little more patient/accepting if they know this is the way it is! Might help them get out of diet head before they give up.

oolala53

I find I like to have two different colors of vegetables in a meal. and a protein, starch, and freggies. If I don't have all three, I feel like I haven't eaten. I don't eat out too much for various reasons, one of which is that ti's too expensive to get good quality of all three at one meal!

oolala53

Actually, when you really examine it, it is not surprising at all that we don't change things we "want" to change. "Wanting" is not supported by brain patterns of behavior except the "wanting," while eating is supported by brain patterns that encourage repeat behavior! We have to make the decision n...

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I'm not sure this supports No S, but it doesnt' negate it, either. Actually, I don't think for the average person knowing this would be very helpful. It puts too much of the onus on the availability of cheap food. What No S does is say, look, there's a lot of food out there and it has become accepta...

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I recommend having a portion of pizza with other foods on your plate and eat it with others. But you can have that be a goal for next week or the week after. I used to polish off a lot of pizza at a time, nearly a whole medium. Now two slices or less is plenty, but I do have to consciously chew slow...

oolala53

Thanks for the clarification. I think a lot of what you brought up is also the reason there is less obesity. Savor delicious food on a regular basis during shared meals.

Esp. love that you report pregnancy cravings are regarded as just annoyances to divert oneself from.

oolala53

I find that if I'm actually hungry, I need a beverage like milk or coffee with milk (water or diet sodas don't do it) to stave it off, though the ability to tolerate hunger will grow. The non-hunger urges to eat are often harder to overcome. You definitely don't need hard candy at those moments! Rem...

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I once read the experience of a woman who had her first baby when she weighed about 300 lbs. It was a very difficult delivery. After that, she determined to get smarter about how she ate, but also not opting for a low calorie diet. She curtailed the obvious excesses and lost weight before she got pr...

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I posted months ago about being disappointed in not getting hungry on S days because eating sweets (or even richer food because of restaurants or social events) made hunger disappear for 10 hours or more. I'm still adjusting, figuring how to eat little enough so that this doesn't happen. I'm just ad...

oolala53

Glad you're back and wanting to learn moderation for now and later.

Eat generously of high quality foods at discrete meals, maybe more than three but no more than you are truly hungry for, and let nature burn what it needs.

And congratulations!

oolala53

Oh, interesting. It was published May 15 of this year and there are already used copies available on Amazon. Also interesting is that another book published by two authors who work coaching the online community at Biggest Loser have more than a few reviews from those who used the principles to lose ...

oolala53

OMgosh, doesn't this reinforce why you might have a rule not to look at other books about how to eat? Nuts! It just irks me so much when people claim "this is what it takes" when you can so easily point to examples that negate their claim! How does he explain all those skinny Asians who eat lots of ...

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I'm really starting to think I should never have sweets unless I am in the company of others (although I did eat three pieces of cake with frosting at a birthday party a few weeks ago. Wouldn't have been a big deal but I went and bought more chocolate and ate it alone.) But it sounds like that would...

oolala53

I still struggle with weekends, but it rarely lasts until Monday anymore. I think the experience of having crappy Mondays is part of the learning. Food is difficult! It can take a long time of inner changes that support letting go of the idea that we need the food we think we do. It scares me to thi...

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Not to mention that nibbles and tastes ruin those first few fantastic bites of the meal when you actually do sit down to enjoy.

oolala53

I'm not always able to express myself as gently as I'd like to so if this is too much, I apologize. I think the fact that it's bothering you is reason enough to go through this process of bringing attention to it. It's had a wonderful payoff already! And it doesn't hurt much to have less booze. I th...

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I don't know what the details are of your helping your dad, but to tell the truth, it's hard to imagine that a 3 meal structure would get in the way of what you're trying to do. You're going to have to have food, right? Whether you buy groceries and cook, or just get fast food, you can do this. The ...

oolala53

I'm so glad for you. I imagine if you can time at least some of your interactions with friends at meal times and they see you eat real meals and enjoy them, they might back off some when you beg off snacks because you're still too full from your last meal or your saving your appetite. Have coffee. P...

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Tx, ladies. I already told Deb that I failed on many accounts, but in such less degree that I see this as doable over time.

oolala53

Apple cider?

oolala53

The stuffing is a habit. I know it sounds crazy that we would have habits that make us feel uncomfortable, but we do. As with many habits, they hang on until we get exasperated enough with them that we hold out against them even when they cry out for caving in. Rarely do the desires go away on their...

oolala53

Oh, less than 12 minutes of working out! Even better.

But a lot more than 12 minutes of NOT EATING UNNECESSARILY. I hear ya.

oolala53

Hi, I'm back and trying to catch up. I have to remind you that you can't really feel miffed about S days if you have streaks of 5 days with treats. Without multiple weeks of strict N days--try 12-, there is no reason to think S days will be reasonable. I had a good run in New Orleans and am back wit...

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Hi, Roxy, I came back from New Orleans on Tuesday, and am getting caught up. I snuck a look at the scale and was up only 2/10 of a pound over my March weigh in. I didn't think I had put any weight on, as I had eaten rather reasonably, though I had had more fails BEFORE I left. I think the weekend of...

oolala53

Congrats, finally full. Yes, a year of sane eating, enjoyment of food, and clothes that fit are great payoffs.

oolala53

I don't allow myself sweets on N days very often, even under unusual circumstances, but that doesn't mean I don't have fails. I notice if I have a few small ones in a row, I am more inclined to keep having them. Allowing yourself the small sweets might still set you up to desire the pringles and suc...

oolala53

Been out of town and am finally having time to check posts here. I don't know if I am kidding myself by keeping with No S after over 2 years and still having trouble on S days, but I have to report that after reading a book on a program for bulimics (not me) and bingers (me), I feel even better. The...

oolala53

Since I've checked in, I went on a 5-day weekend to New Orleans, though I spent most of Tuesday just getting back to San Diego. The weekend felt great food wise. I ate many delicious foods but rarely felt very full and bloated. I did a bit more walking and got my 14 minutes in most days. After revei...

oolala53

It's not Vanilla, but if you can make it work, mazel tov. Don't be surprised if you can do without the fruit snacks after awhile. Or the mini- and "real" breakfast. And be careful of trying to be too strict with processed foods as that can have backlash on S days. I've found I have them waaaay less ...

oolala53

I forgot to say that I have several cast iron pans and I keep them just because they're heavy. I figure as long as I have to keep lifting them, I am at least that strong.

oolala53

Did you make it to three weeks? Not that that is crucial at this moment. (I say that in case you didn't. Don't want to bring up sore subjects!) I was so glad I had No S while I was in New Orleans for a wedding. Even on the weekend, I felt quite sane, not like I had to go around eating everything. I ...

oolala53

Every time I think of imposing IF, I start having URGEs to eat. (Unnecessary Response Greatly Exaggerated). However, I've had a few come on naturally, but it still took effort to comply. I dropped some, but it's still too tricky for me. However, more power to you! Good luck when you're here in San D...

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On Amazon, you mostly see posters who are three weeks in or even just a few days. Having long timers here is what impressed me when I first came. Thank you for keeping up and letting us know!

oolala53

Hi, Deb. I was out of town in New Orleans and missed some updates. I had a good time even with food. I do better when I'm on vacation and with others. Sure, part of it is not wanting others to see me overeat, but a lot of it is just having fun and doing fulfilling things. But I did have a few moment...

oolala53

Brian Wansink says people in our culture make about 200 food-related decisions a day. I'm sure No S cuts out 80% of those. So much easier. I know sometimes when I'm in a big store, I get a little thrill from looking at items I have no intention of buying. Maybe I should start doing this with the foo...

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I've found dark chocolate just makes me wish I had some milk chocolate. And wish that I liked dark instead. C'est la vie. I still say there's some luck in being a person who never liked being really full. To some degree, I've become like that, but it has taken a lot of false starts, and it's hard to...

oolala53

I use this a lot on another site I participate on. The time is going to pass anyway. You might as well be learning long term habits.

oolala53

If you have a problem with sweets, I would say a sweet is defined by what makes you want more sweets to eat afterwards, as well as whether the defining taste is sweet. I would be set off by pancakes with any syrup on N day. I would even be set off by fruit juices, so I have them sparingly, even thou...

oolala53

Yet the lack of pleasure doesn't stop them. Once you declare it an S day, it's a free day. Naturally thin people will often eat light on the day they know they will have more at a party or celebration. I don't think they think of the calories as much as their appetite. They sometimes go light the ne...

oolala53

You said you aren't willing to go without cheese or nuts in your salad. Glad to hear that. I found that increasing the proportion of fat was the most effective for me, though I always had about 3 oz. of meat at lunch and dinner, and a serving or two of starch with my freggies. Let us know what chang...

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I'm pretty sure she was an ectomorph. Though some are famous for grazing, many are meal-eaters. There is a bit of luck involved.

oolala53

The best time to exercise is when you'll do it consistently. I say five minutes of really vigorous exercise every morning is better than sporadic longer bouts later in the day, though you can do both. You can start with five every day. I'm willing to bet that doing that every day will actually make ...

oolala53

Thanks for your comment. The attachment to food works similarly to the brain pattern for drug addictions, but the good news is there are few people who have to completely eliminate any foods in order to turn things around. In fact, for bingers like myself, we HAVE to learn to incorporate all foods i...

oolala53

Oh, Liz, how priceless! I'm eating fish crackers! Just so you know! Hello, world! I'm sucking down cookie dough! I'm not, but that might be my example. I actually forgot to have lunch. Got so busy before dance class and there was no hunger. I was not trying to avoid eating. I forgive myself. I did h...

oolala53

Thanks, everyone! Roxy, if I had decided on the spur of the moment at the party to have a piece of cake, I probably would have allowed myself to call it a NWS day. But sitting there for a few hours and then just tearing into the candy wrapper has to be a fail for me. And three sweets, then three pie...

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I think that it's not only the diversion, which is always good, but also the surge in activity perhaps gets your body to tap into either your glycogen reserves or into your fat. You start burning them and the hunger goes away.

oolala53

It took me until age 56, so you're ahead of the game!

oolala53

I say skip the chocolate. It probably won't add to your sense of vitality or contentment and will be brief in its sweetness. Now I hope I can do the same here, as I have still have many hours left in Saturday, but not much fun diversion. I wish I had a diet soda, but my plumber is supposed to call a...

oolala53

Oh, for those interested in eating disorder programs, here are the websites for some free online materials from an Australian organization.

http://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resourc ... Info_ID=48

http://www.cci.health.wa.gov.au/resourc ... Info_ID=49

oolala53

Had a rather spectacular fail yesterday. I kidded myself for awhile that I would call it a declared S day, but that's just not cricket. I'm going to run it down. All the teachers were given sweets during some demading schoolwide testing a couple of weeks ago. I tried to give mine back but the ASB sa...

oolala53

What we see in the mirror and what is actually there is rather fascinating. We're almost never objective. I'm okay with looking at my body most of the time. I assume it's because I'm eating sanely and I am down around 30 lbs. What's really amazing to me about it is that I can still see that I am a "...

oolala53

So your BMI would be 26 at 144? Sorry to dwell on this. Yes, it's true that BMI has its limitations, especially for the short and tall of the population. Others criticize it for those who are more muscular, but I am not convinced that those with low bodyfat are necessarily healthier in the long run....

oolala53

Does the pet insurance cover "cat" scans? Oh, I couldn't resist. Did that website say your ideal weight should be what you said, or did you look at the BMI range? The range is more lenient. The ideal says I should be 141 lbs. which is 13 pounds lighter than I am, though I'm in the healthy BMI range....

oolala53

There are good middle ground options. A few weeks ago, I happened into a supermarket when they had just cut fried fish and a turkey mealoaf deli items 50%. I got the entrees of about ten meals for ten bucks. I went home, cut the loaf into slices, and froze everything. I also look for high fiber brea...

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Hi, Amy. Yeah, I wish I was one of the those people who has become pretty carefree and unmoved by food, but not yet. However, I know I'm so much better off than I was and better off than so many in our culture. I even read a book this past year that was called Stop Gaining Weight. So many people wou...

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Ah, good one, Deb. Grazing is bingeing in steps.

oolala53

Sounds like a good plan. I like the idea of being able to have a sweet sometimes at work and sometimes not. You can accommodate that since you sometimes work weekends. I don't know if it would mess me up not to just have a hard and fast rule about no sweets at work; I think if I worked on Saturday, ...

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Yea, I like hearing about the rebuttals to the URGE thoughts, even when it just seems like repeating. Most of life is repetitive! Including crappy sleep patterns. Fell asleep at 8:30. Sometimes sleep through but I'm a bit frantic about grading and have been up since around 1 a.m. Got online to input...

oolala53

A LOT of eating on Saturday. Very reasonable Sunday and compliance in exercise since then. No exercise on Monday but yes yesterday and today.

oolala53

Regarding WW and how people can stick to something so strict-- most can't or don't in the long run. If you read some of the older check in threads, you'll see that some people evolve to actually eating very small meals, almost like diet meals, but not because they're diet meals. It's because they ge...

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Hope you'll find out that vacations can be loads of fun even without S's on weekdays. REally!

Just curious:how is sneaking the ice cream different from just eating it?

oolala53

What did you say back to the thought about who cares? or did you just remember URGE and that was all it took?

oolala53

Ouch, that is a little complicated. Is there any 1-2 hour window morning, mid-dayish and eveningish on workdays that you ccould eat in no matter what the work hours? It does seem that there should be a way for you to have an evening meal at evening time no matter how late you work. In other words, i...

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Yes, Jen, most people who stick with it eventually find themselves eating less food, IF they are intent on being sensitive to their needs and not just insisting that if they can have a plate of food, they can have a plate of anything. Reinhard says the limit to three plates should help people be awa...

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I've been at this for 28 months and it IS the way to live. As you've gleaned, don't be in a hurry to get to eating the least you can. You will eat less as time goes on after hundreds of plates. To want to get it all figured out in a few weeks is diet-head. Not only are you learning something new, yo...

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You're in the 18 %ile? Just how many people do you need to be thinner than? Seriously, think about it. :) What percentile will you be in at 132? Maybe the reason you were struggling to keep the weight off is that you aren't meant to without being in semi-starvation. Don't mean to be mean but underst...

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I've come to the conclusion that I am expecting a sweetness to life that I used to look to food to fill. These days, I can usually shift my thinking (that life isn't sweet enough in the moment of the URGE) and see that things are actually usually fine, even when there's trouble. I'm okay in that mom...

oolala53

You didn't fail me, silly pudding! What you experienced is what is informally known in pyschology circles (really) is the what-the-hell syndrome. You nibbled and then way overate. It's normal! You'll do it until you don't. No S-ers are very familiar with it. Here we say don't crash the car just beca...

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Just had to comment on Oliver-Pratt. If she is who I think she is, she talks like she invented the idea that women are media brainwashed and that eating when hungry, etc. is the bomb. Susie Orbach was talking about women rebelling against thin ideals and many oppressive ideas against women way befor...

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Sarah, I gently suggest you might feel deprived no matter what changes you try to make. You are going to have to confront the idea that you should be able to eat whatever you want whenever you have an urge. We have a thread here about URGE- untimely response greatly exaggerated. The only way people ...

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An observation I made on my own experience in the past was that when I felt bad "about my weight," the truth was I often felt bad because I was eating so much that I never got hungry and then ate moderately. I was full all the time. That can happen even when you're thin and is what I think skinny pe...

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TX. I guessed and used "unnecessary." Both work.

oolala53

NONE of the formatting options work for me, so if you're having trouble, you're not alone. If you aren't, then I'm alone.

oolala53

Okay, here's Robert Frost. Something there is that doesn't love a diet..

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Congrats on 6 weeks! Hey, I can't find what the letters of URGE mean. I want to pass the acronym on to someone who could use it.

oolala53

I, too, find that if I don't have a serving of walnuts, cheese, avocado, or some other good quality fat along with my protein, starch and veggies, I really feel the difference a few hours later, though not at the meal.

oolala53

If that's the middle of your range, you are about my height? (5'6"). I would be very happy at 142! I remember what I looked like 20 years ago at that weight- when I thought I should lose 10-15 pounds. What a fool I was! I'm determined to enjoy what I have now, and whatever happens with consistent ex...

oolala53

So are you saying you are at 150 and that's fine? Your signature says you want to lose more. Don't be surprised if you do lose more when you keep going and incorporate exercise. Or you just may lose size. But if you are in the middle of your BMI range, I imagine you look good. I'm at the top of mine...

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The only reasons people laugh and think this is weird is that they are either people who naturally eat only what their body needs or they are in denial that they have a problem and that this crazy culture has got them brainwashed. There are a lot of naturally slim people who seldom snack and there a...

oolala53

No S would be "normal" for just about anyone. It's a reasonable way to live.

oolala53

1. Vanilla No S. Declaring an S day on May 11 for a dessert reception the day before a wedding I'm attending in New Orleans. 2. Minimum of 10 minutes of vigorous exercise on weekdays. 3. Read my list of 40 reasons I want to eat sanely at least two times a day on weekends only. Good Lord, I didn't re...

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Most of the above and I have about 40 on my desktop at home. 1. A lot has to do with just having a lifelong desire to beat food because I KNOW I just don't need the amount I eat in a week. And to prove it can be done without traditional dieting. 2. If I"m honest, vanity does have something to do wit...

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Oh, why did you eat such a small dinner and then go hungry? You are not on a diet! And even if you eat more to start, it is easier to eat less as you go than the other way around. Give the plan a chance! and go this site and promise that if you find out that you are in the 50%ile or less, you will g...

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You have really got to let go of the scale for awhile. You are actually not even overweight! I know you weighed less for a long time and you can probably get back there (or close) but you've got to heal first. To heal means you've got to convince your subconscious that you are not going to punish he...

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Don't think that thought hasn't occurred to me. But we'd still have to come back here.

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Give it an honest year!

I'm sorry if I sound mean but I absolutely dote on the returners, partly because I'm glad someone is coming back to the party and making me look right. I am SO SURE that this is far and away a smarter way to live than just about any "diet, even if people don't get skinny.

oolala53

Although I have a bit of a desire to weigh less, I have an even more important (to me) desire to have consistently moderate weekends. I just still have too many instances of scarfing a lot of cookies fast or events like that. Times when I know I just don't need the excess, but I do it anyway. I'm no...

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My family had dessert every night and ice cream later. A small square of cake. One scoop of ice cream. And we had sugared cereals, though we often had Cheerios and Rice Krispies, which are less obvious than the ones I preferred. And we had oatmeal, or eggs, too. Right, Mom didn't work. I wasn't actu...

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Reinhard admits that sweets and stress eating were never his issues. I think he was into snacking and probably guy-like; bags of chips and such just because it was fun, not because he was drowning his sorrows. Yeah, girls do that, too, but they are bingeing/hating it the whole time. Guys are just pi...

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Been thinking about whether my lapses have come because of my making it into my normal BMI range. I am doubting it because truth be told, I do have a latent wish to get back to my high school weight, which I don't think is unreasonable because 1) I'm still not exercising regularly, 2) my S days stil...

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