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Remember that 2-meal Mike does have an agenda about building muscle and changing his body. That is how he decides his success, and if that's important enough, I guess it's worth "boring." I, too, like more variety, though it's within confines, and it doesn't seem to make me eat a lot more. If it doe...

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TX, Roxy! I did fail again yesterday, but I feel done with it. It wasn't horrible, but I said on another board that it felt like the kind of date you have at the end of a relationship, where you feel like you're going through the motions. Besides, I can have a "bad date" on the weekend, if I really ...

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RE: the pizza. It's not what we do occasionally that causes the trouble.

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I think I mentioned somewhere else on a thread about a 19th century fitness proponent that he said two meals a day should be enough for those not involved in manual labor. However, I agree with Reinhard that one should attempt this with caution, as many bingers/dieters are famous for skipping breakf...

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A burger and fries as a boon!

Actually, I had a burger and fries a couple of weeks ago and the fries were terrific.

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I haven't had that pattern, but I think I understand it. The brain pattern of overeating is very easy to reignite. Food is such a basic reinforcer! I'm not sure what will help you overcome this EXCEPT the very real fear that it will go on until the end of your life if you don't consciously counterac...

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How did the breakfast go?

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Just wanted to add that not everyone thinks that overeating is part of being on vacation. In fact, when I go on vacation, I like the idea of getting away from too much food!

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Are you hungry for your meals? And do you let yourself get hungry on the weekends? I find after two years that I lose when I consistently get hungry for at least an hour before it's time for my meals. It means I need less food at my meals than I thought. If I eat too much at a meal, I don't get hung...

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Guess what. The part that doesn't care at all is part of the brain pattern that protects the access to food. It has an incentive to keep you from thinking the thoughts that would stop the source. That is how emotional eating works! In fact, it's how HABIT works. It's a brain pattern that protects co...

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Thanks for the vote of confidence, but I've been failing, though it took until the end of the week. And yesterday. And I am struggling this afternoon. I can't believe I can't just say I don't have a choice. That brain pattern is so easily reignited! I think about how I am always glad I waited and ye...

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Why would you?

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The food has to be incredibly good for me to consider not just sticking to Vanilla No S even while on vacation. I rarely feel better or even that I've had that much fun when I don't have several N days in a week.

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Nice work, Sweetness!

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Hide the leftover candy! Mine is in the freezer at the back.

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Boy, I was actually thinking of coming home after work and scarfing chocolate. Specifically, Cadbury mini-eggs. I did come home early and took a nap! Got a little housework done and ended up having dinner around the regular time, and a slightly lighter-than-usual dinner at that. I feel full and fine.

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Was out of town. Got some reading done, but it was only of the books I am using in my classes as texts. Eating was fine, maybe even a bit better than fine, though I'm not finishing the weekend feeling light and airy! But good enough. No workout yesterday but a good half walk on hills.

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I took a way out on the essays. Did I already talk about it? I'm going on the results of research that shows that students' writing tends to get better with practice whether they get feedback or not. So over a period of several weeks, I had the students write three essays, the last of which is due o...

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Glad you're feeling better. It will be good to get out and move! I don't know about there but it's a good day for soup here in SoCal. I'll have some sympathetically for you, too.

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Isn't that going to be strange when people see the woman weighing herself on the side of the freeway?

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Just want to say you might not have been spared even if you had plenty to eat. We weren't well-off, but my father had grown up rather poor and spent a fair amount on food. I never thought for one second that I would not get enough to eat, but I still turned into a binger. Many people become bingers ...

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I'm too lazy to scroll looking for my original post, so I'm periodically going to bump it up. The old post is just an announcement of this now. Mine is 30 days of 10 or more minutes of exercise. Sun 4/1 success Mon 4/2 success Tues 4/3 success Wed 4/4 success + 20 min. walk Thurs 4/5 success + 40 mi...

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Sometimes it drives me crazy when I read other people's experience offered as if I can repeat the same thing, so I hope this doesn't affect you that way. But, over the last few months, I've had a few fasts just come over me, usually on a weekend. I would eat a rich meal, and then my hunger would jus...

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I said that? I'm glad it helped! I think I was talking about remembering at certain points, esp. when tempted to snack, that I had a meal --a good one!-- a few hours ago and would again in a few hours. Helped me so many times. Even though it involves memory, past, and future, it can keep us more in ...

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Lara, you doll!

I'm calling my eating a success. No exercise again. I slept only 4 hours last night and I had work to do in the morning, early. My eyes feel like I'm wearing sandpaper. I'll fall asleep now. Watch me wake up at 2. Sometimes I can work then; sometimes it's just very tired buzzing.

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Say THAT into the microphone!

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Regarding jibe/jive, that's how language changes. But it's good that it's slow because otherwise, we'd be losing the ability to communicate before we were dead.

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Hi, Snap! Have you looked at the dishes recommended on the Mindless Eating site? They are a fortune and they do try to claim that the borders make a difference, but you might get some ideas. Here is one example: http://www.thisnext.com/item/634D9387/Mindless-Products-Thinware In a related article, i...

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Hungry after meals? Just curious. Or do you mean later between meals?

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Poop a doop. Second fail this week. Not terrible but annoying. It's so obvious later that what seems like a good idea at the time, isn't. Oh, well. I'll do better tomorrow.

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"we like to see how we are doing on the plan and the scales are the most obvious way of doing so. " Ahem, Roxy, but this is part of the problem. The scales are a very poor way of telling how we are doing, though we have been brainwashed into thinking so. Habitcal is the best way to see how we've bee...

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Sorry I sounded disapproving of the excerpt from the article you posted. Don't ever let me stop you! I knew you had posted it and I think I may have referred to you at one time? I thought you were going to put the rest of the ideas up a day at a time. I was partial to that one esp. so I put it out t...

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I hope you understood that I can shovel in the food with chopsticks pretty fast, much like Asians can, though they don't overeat doing it. I've had a lot of practice.

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Roxy, if you eat your own words, just make sure they are on your plate at a meal first.

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Nicest, we have several college campuses in San Diego. All either have food concessions on campus or nearby--open until late or all night. Just like the rest of our society, at least urban society, food is everywhere. Even Best Buy sells snacks and candy! I'll bet students load up and bring it all b...

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This is a post I put on No Snacker's thread about 5 habits of successful dieters. Here is something that I see more and more as being SO IMPORTANT, perhaps more important than almost every other factor. It speaks to the many posts on falling off the wagon, feeling like giving up, thinking it's not w...

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Have both. Put it all on a plate. You don't have to finish the sandwich, but you can.

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Well, it's funny how both metaphors work but for different reasons. (TX for being so gracious about it.) This has nothing to do with No S, but znother one I had interesting discussions about with friends was over "buck naked." Many people think it's "butt naked;" who knows, at some point, it might b...

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Cooked chickens have been a staple in my house for months on end. The market across the street from work also sells roasted turkey breast for a reasonable price. It's pretty easy these days to have a starch and veggies on hand, too. When you make meals a priority, they become the default!

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Here is something that I see more and more as being SO IMPORTANT, perhaps more important than almost every other factor. It speaks to the many posts on falling off the wagon, feeling like giving up, thinking it's not working, and all variations. Strategy #4: Be A Realistic Optimist As much as we wan...

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Actually, I know I've seen it observed that there are two kinds of No S-ers; those who have fallen off the wagon and the liars. Researchers on habit change rate eating as one of the three most difficult areas to change habits. It's totally possible to do, but it is difficult. If we learn to take tha...

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Did you see the discussions on either of the willpower books on the main board? Both of them make reference to the what-the-hell effect. It' s very powerful and pervasive. It's that "I've already failed, so I'll fail more" line of thinking. It is one of the pivotal differences between those who keep...

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The eat-when-hungry I was using as a way to balance eating rich/sweet food on the weekend. I thought that if I told myself I could eat the chunk of sweets that I often wanted, I wouldn't feel so full so much of the time if I forced myself to wait until I was hungry again to eat again. It meant that ...

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I can't seem to cut and paste from the URL line here at work, but google Jello Temptations Dessert Kit and you'll see them. Then forget you ever did!

Not because they're terrible but because there are probably better sweets to eat.

They also come ready made in little six-packs.

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If I may say so, I notice that you often talk about finishing up what's in the cupboard. That sounds a lot like diet head--got to get rid of what's there, but if that truly supports moderation for you, so be it. But if it doesn't, it's just another form of waste. Besides, crackers have a pretty long...

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The best thing to do with your hands between meals is to keep them away from food. It's still possible to get the food in your mouth, but a lot more obvious how desperate you are.

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Wow, that was easy. People told me the same thing about 30 years ago, but I didn't listen!

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I've been a teacher for 15 years and I can tell you, it's very complicated, esp. when students get to high school. I've had students who will eat nothing all day and then go to Jack in the Box after school to finally eat. The school cafeteria has a budget; Legally, they must offer something. When th...

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I've been putting in my 10 minutes+ for just one week and I find myself looking for excuses to have one-minute bursts of exercise during the day. Last night I ushered at a theater and back in little corners got in 30-second to 1-minute bursts 4 times. Got in 1-minute simulation of rope jumping twice...

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Yeah, someone once said to use chopsticks so that you would eat less. You should see how good I am with chopsticks.

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I think if more people were content with more modest weight loss, as you seem to be, there wouldn't be all this talk of stressing over maintenance. It's not that hard to maintain if you're not trying to be an ectomorph when you aren't an ectomorph. Shoot, if that's all you're eating, Lord, how much ...

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One day, it just starts sticking. Just keep repeating: stress doesn't make you eat. It makes you WANT to eat. Only you, picking up the food and putting it in your mouth, make you eat. You CAN not pick it up. You CAN wait the one, two, or three hours to eat. You don't have to wait until your life is ...

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Okay,, and this IS The LAST POST FOR AT LEAST TWO HOURS (Doesn't this sound like something else? Last cookie for today? Last piece of chocolate for my entire life?) In the spirit of all the confessions, here is what I ate yesterday. Fiber One cereal with whole milk and flaxseed meal around 8 am. Cup...

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Actually, I meant our "school" is easier. You get an A no matter what's on the plate (besides sweets) on N days, and no matter what on S days. Remove the guilt but not the kindly observation.

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Well, girl, it's so gratifying to hear you say you've tried them all and you think No S is it. Really, it can encompass so many other ways people want to limit themselves! But I think most of them find out they don't have to jettison most of the things they think they should. It just makes life so h...

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Your husband has a better chance, possibly, than us, esp. BECAUSE his habits don't mess with his head. I think that's one of the reasons this worked for Reinhard so fast. The guy is so freakin' grounded! ("Eating to quell emotions isn't a good idea. It's a bad idea." That's all it takes not to do it...

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Hi, Ryan. Hope this isn't too much advice. Try to let go of S days or what you want them to be like too soon. How long would you give yourself to learn to deliver a killer serve in the middle of a hot tennis contest? You'd practice a lot of serves under no pressure. And remember, you didn't have a g...

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Don't know if I'm repeating myself to you, but something finally clicked for me before I committed to No S and it was something I'd read so many times, but it was on the National Weight Loss Registry site. It was about how people who had finally lost and kept the weight off said that they didn't let...

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Hi, Graham. I was browsing threads and noticed a comment you made about yogurt. Just wanted to share that I have some little bowls that I put yogurt in, sometimes with fruit, and I put the little bowl on my plate while I fill the plate with the other foods I'm having. When I eat, I can take the yogu...

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Well, I feel a bit cautious to say this because I've made so many claims to myself that I haven't followed through on. However, I just wrote to NoSnacker about how I was a couple of years back that I had to choose not to eat when it was hard to, not just when it was easy. I didn't say it there, but ...

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There is no redemption but the passage of time and getting to one meal hungry. That may not be the NEXT meal, though. I see that you make reference to the fact that only you can make the changes. Boy, ain't that the truth. I kept waiting for something else to somehow do it for me. Or something that ...

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I know you are wishing for some quick results, but I think you'll have to go through the phases. Get back to your N days for a few weeks at least. Then consider what to do. Have you made a list of what your reasons are for wanting to get your eating under control? And reviewing it a few times a day?...

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Well, I ate more than I expected to. Oh, well.

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21 days! Yahoo!

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Just visited your blogspot. You threw out those books? OMgosh! That is so brave! I actually usually took books our of the library and most were not diet books, though Zone, Volumetrics, 40-30-30, and the Omega Diet all made good impressions on me. I still have Judith Beck's Workbook, Shrink Yourself...

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Of course, they don't let you stay in medical school if you are not pulling B's...

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What a nice extra!

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The English teacher has to step in to say I think Deb means nip it in the bud, though maybe she said "butt" on purpose?

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Oh, yeah, I put the leftovers in the car early. When I went to leave, I thought of how often I had eaten the leftovers on the way home, but I thought, "That's not me now." Just to be safe. And they're in the fridge now. Not appealing to many, I know, but I will enjoy them heated, though I may throw ...

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I gently ask why you resist the title of compulsive eater. A person who eats for emotional reasons and does not seem to be able to stop herself to the point of weighing 80-100 lbs. more than normal has a pretty strong compulsion to eat. If you have always been heavy, it may not just be emotions that...

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Thank you, Lara! I had lunch out today and felt quite full and satisfied. When it was time to go to a birthday get together at a bar, I wasn't a bit hungry for dinner. At the bar, I finally did get hungry, and ordered a hamburger and fries, something I rarely get. I ate half the burger and ate the f...

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I'm not sure there is anything we can say to convince you. Feeling guilt for eating under your circumstances is rather serious. However, in the meantime it sounds like you should still try to use No S to eat moderate meals. You don't have to eat "junk" to start. Just eat servings of each of the macr...

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What do they call the person who graduates last in the medical school class? Doctor.

Green is green. Green in two months may not be the same meal but it is still green.

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When I first moved to San Diego, there was an old-style movie theater that showed two movies a night. And often different ones from day to day! I loved going to the movies after work and having popcorn for dinner. However, that did not blossom into moderate eating... What's funny is that I almost ne...

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Butterfly, have the bowl of cereal but hold the cereal. (Did anyone see "Five Easy Pieces?")

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Another perspective!

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You won't do this forever, and No S has never said you need to start with "healthy" meals. I think it's about getting it out of your system. As Reinhard implies, it's unlikely you're going to be able to look at popcorn dinners as a good idea night after night. Over the course of a year, it will bala...

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I call it the eating plan I use. I'm pretty sure I talked somewhere else about a study done on obese people who ate at least 500-calorie breakfasts that included something sweet. They lost much more weight than the comparison group mostly because they stuck with the total program for longer. The com...

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I don't know if the 5-lb. weights will be big enough for the bicep work, but the DVD I Want That Body by TamiLee Webb has 2 mostly bodyweight workout, both about 15 minutes, that I use moves from often. When I was using it consistently a few years ago, some people noticed. However, I just like to mi...

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That was a rant? I'm glad the Center seemed to have a beneficial effect. I am afraid that a fair amount of this is relatively intractable for some. I've occasionally checked out the site Something Fishy on eating disorders and it seems so sad that there are women who are still practicing bulimia ten...

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You are a talented summarizer.

Isn't it amazing how much of this Reinhard had figured out oh, so many years ago?

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Okay, I got a bug to organize my videos while my rice finished cooking before dinner. I reported this on my check-in but I'll repeat it here to see if anyone else can top this idiocy. I have fewer than 10 actual movies but I of fitness videos I have 23 DVD's and 28 videocassettes. (I also have Debbi...

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A good day with food. got my workout in and an extra walk. I got work done and am willing to do more. I also sat down to try arrange my videos. I was going to do it for just 15 minutes. I have only a few movies, but I found I have 23 fitness DVDs and 28 fitness videocassettes. And I have Debbie Sieb...

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BTW, I didn't coin the phrase. It was from the title of an anti-diet book. One of the ones that recommended a plan that I couldn't implement at the time. It was one of the eat-from-hunger books, but it also recommended eliminating sweets and most junk food from the start. I came in the back door ins...

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It's just as well that you don't know there is any other way to do it. I've been on the boards for over two years and I think I can say that the majority of people who start messing with Vanilla No S in the first 6 months don't find the mod that works any better. A fair number quit and come back aga...

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Okay, you're on your FOURTH DAY. It is way too early to be worrying about whether you are eating too much. Let the process happen and don't expect quick weight loss or everything to be over in a week or two! But at first, I did add to my meals about what I would have had as a snack. Very quickly I c...

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If I may be so bold, Blithe Morning, do you think you could add your report of Baumeister here? (BTW, none of the icons/code thingies on No S work for me, so I hope you'll cut and paste this link the the thread I started on his book.)

http://everydaysystems.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8441

Or not!

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P.S. Saw your note about vacation. Dovetails with Baumeister says about losing weight. Use limited willpower to implement plans for specific situations. It's funny because I think of vacations as a way to get away from too much food. I just don't think of the opportunity to overeat as fun anymore, a...

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I decided to try chewing gum for a bit. It turned into a binge scene. I chewed so much and so long, my jaw hurt! Funny thing is I haven't bought any gum for days and I haven't thought about it. I guess it's run its course. Thank goodness! I've got enough to deal with. So what coping mechanisms were ...

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You know, the issue with sweets for me is so paradoxical. I don't want them when I'm actually hungry; I want savory food. Then when I have the chance to have them, now that I eat less, it almost seems a waste to have them when I'm satisfied from a meal. But I still want to have the pleasure of eatin...

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I wonder how your tummy felt after not having that snack? I think you were saying you actually don't care that much about getting to eat snacks and sweets this weekend. It sounds like you are getting to the point where you see there is no more satisfaction in the experience of extra food, especially...

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Yes, vee shall be your taskmasters! Now, drop and give me 20! :) Once again, I want to point out that thin people rarely feel any obligation to eat food because someone prepared it for them. If they think it will taste good and make them feel good-- they don't like to be too full-- they have it. Oth...

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Get a good night's sleep!

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A much better day, though not much hunger. I ate anyway, but mostly kept the meals either smaller or lighter. It was plenty of food. I got in my 14 minutes and took a short walk in the evening.

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Well, it's not completely mind games, although the brain is involved. Whatever you do consistently will likely become an expected habit. If you can always limit yourself to a small amount, no problem. Maybe that's what you can habituate yourself to, esp. if you stick to the other rules and let your ...

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That is a bit of dilemma. To try to eat before work would mean a pretty early dinner, if you wanted to really sit and enjoy it. I wonder if you could have a bigger lunch on those work days and then be happy with a lighter "dinner" that you could enjoy on your break? Just an idea. I'm a little surpri...

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Well, there is theory and then there is praxis... But it's true. Dovetails with Judith Beck advising "dieters" to actually write out an index card or carry one from her book that says NO CHOICE. Usually, once the decision is made, it is easier. Some people use this as a reason to swear off sugar for...

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Glass ceiling sounds smart. I used to drink several diet Cokes a day. Now I have a few each month, and normally only in really hot weather, though I have one today because I am stressed out over money, taxes, and work. Choose your poisons.

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Wait, change exemplified to exaggerated?

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re slip-ups, feeling like a failure, discouragement, etc.

premature discouragement it's ALL premature

a little competition?