Everyday Systems

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No, that's pretty good. In fact, it's helping me right this second as I am getting ready to see my accountant on Friday. I won't owe the government, but mostly because I've lost so much on real estate.

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Oh, what a great burden will be lifted if we can get this handled! I wonder if Reinhard realizes how lucky he is that this fit so well with his life? He must be astounded at times to see how long the struggle goes on. I keep trying to think, what obsessed people 150 years ago? Could this possibly be...

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I use stevia.

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I'll be lucky if I make it to 15 years in the teachers' retirement system in California. I didn't get into the system until 1999, when I was 46 years old. And now that I have become a teacher, my social security is cut, so I am really stuck. But I just can't imagine doing this much longer than that....

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Thanks for the cheering section! I really do appreciate it. I have at times hired people to help, but invariably, there are problems. I'm not even organized enough to have someone be able to do much for me. The last time, I ended up having to redo work that I had paid her to do because she rebatched...

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Deb, so far, I didn't need a root canal. Thank goodness for x-rays to tell that the root was okay. The dentist did take off a little of the tooth and the one above because he said my bite was putting too much pressure on the tooth to allow the tissue to heal. I'm also finishing my antibiotic series....

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Can't take as much food at once? You're welcome!

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Why couldn't you have dinner? I didn't understand.

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That is not an option for me. Grades are due two days after we get back and I have several assignments that I am late on grading-- essays that take time to read, essays that students turned in more than a month BEFORE the break. These are seniors 6 weeks from graduation. I have already had two paren...

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I'll repeat from Baumeister and Tierney, Willpower: The Greatest Human Strength. Two pieces of advice after a complete review of weight loss literature. 1. Don't go on a diet. 2. Don't swear off chocolate or any other food. Do use limited willpower to establish rules for particular situations. Examp...

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Just had a fail. About 1.5 cups of high fiber cereal. I was considering making it a crash-the-car fail, but thought of having to report how many mini mint ice cream cookies I ate. NONE. Too much worrying about the right place to stay in New Orleans when I go for a wedding in May. I'm used to getting...

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How was dinner a mess-up? Not one plate? Sweets? Although I do agree that real meals trump piecemeal ones, but there's room for a lot of variety along the way. As long as it has a beginning, middle, and end. Preferably on a plate, or bowl, or little bowls on a plate.

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Well, I've been at it over two years. I guess this is why the recidivism rate for weight gain remains so high even this far in. Three more years and the relapse rate is still 25%. We keep wanting the war to be over. But in reality the big battles are over. I just can't let any of these skirmishes es...

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Nice job on using your thoughts to combat the URGE. No strangling needed last night! I think it's starting to learn.

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Renew, you've fulfilled your name. ZippaDee, you've given everyone a reason to shout yours. Hurray for both of you! And welcome HOME.

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Oh, by the way, your head does that convincingly because there are neurochemicals that, once stimulated by the right conditions, will make your mind produce thoughts to drive your behavior. That's how psychiatric drugs help change people's stressful thoughts and it's how brain chemicals make you thi...

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Be sure you have the ingredients for good meals you like. It helps to have good food to look forward to when you need to resist snacks. I usually plan a mid-morning cup of mocha or even afternoon to punctuate the gap between meals.

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Good news about my tooth. The dentist found that it doesn't look like I need a root canal treatment. My bite was making it hard for the gums and nerve to heal because the tooth in question kept getting hit when I chewed. He very slightly filed down the teeth in question. I'll check back with him whe...

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Yes, exactly. Those are learning failures. It's hard to learn from bashing failures except not to bash yourself.

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I like these posts because they help us see how to curtail them for our own use. I hope it's not a downer that I post my caveats. Reinhard keeps emphasizing we need to be specific about our BEHAVIORS, not the results. To aim at results, we can get caught up in all kinds of crazy behaviors to meet th...

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Where does this come from? Habitcal IS our way of tracking. How do we know how many people become unsuccessful "dieters" BECAUSE they weigh every day and get sidetracked? But statistically, it is true the majority of long term loser/maintainers do weigh every day. I guess I'll just be one of the 25%...

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I'm going to bump this up, so I moved my data.

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I've committed on another site to doing a minimum of 10 minutes a day of activity for all of April. I'll be doing my more vigorous resistance work on weekdays, probably doing 14 minutes, but it still counts for me if I do only 10. I can add walking, or course. I hope this will make this 90 days more...

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Oh my gosh, if you can get a handle on this, you will spare yourself so much torture! I vividly remember overeating in college and feeling terrible about it. I was about the weight I am now. After college, I struggled and gained so much weight over the years. No S is so sane! Though I can imagine it...

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I think my sister makes these. It's pretty easy to eat more than one.

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Or a half gallon... and the fudge sauce.

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Be very careful about food prejudices prematurely. You seem to be doing pretty well without undue restricting. Just remember every person writing a book is going to have his/her viewpoint. They have subjective temperaments. There's nothing wrong with that. It is the temperament of most artists, scie...

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I've had several days in the last few months on which I felt like eating very little on S days, However, if you've read my posts, it's not a serene feeling. But I'm always glad afterwards I outwaited the fake hunger urges.

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It's amazing and to me sometimes-nay, often- disconcerting how full I can feel after eating richer foods now after two years of mostly green N days. I think it has changed me. Doesn't mean I can't eat too much. It just takes a lot less and lasts a lot longer.

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What about keeping a waist and/or thigh measurement record? Not necessarily for us here, but for yourself. For health's sake, the waist measurement is the most significant.

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RE: tooth pain. Well, it has not dissipated as much as I would have liked since I will be getting it worked on tomorrow. The last time I had to get work done when my nerve was still inflamed, it was the only time a root canal procedure hurt, and it was pretty bad. I nearly grabbed the dentist's you ...

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If you look at what I ate yesterday, it was fine, but I didn't feel good for most of the day. Had tha kind of guckiny feeling of being too full, even thought I hadn't actually eaten very much. Just more than I needed, I guess. Stayed in a hotel and ended up buying a can of soup and a head of iceberg...

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Sounds like sane S days.

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One of Geneen Roth's guidelines for eating are to eat with the intent to be in full view of others. When you eat alone a lot, that can be tricky.

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I don't know if it's related or not, but I only officially weighed in a few times in the last 6 months. I did sneak a few peeks in, but only a few. So, I was not determining my success most of the time by the scale. When I did start to lose, it showed up in my pants. A few weeks ago, I finally donat...

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Regarding my recent weight loss, I was still having a hard time (actually still not easy, like N days are) with S days, so I decided that for three weekends in a row, I would curtail the eating. I think I tried eating from hunger, which I meant I would sometimes go from lunch on Saturday to late bre...

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I think it is a mistake to try to eat too simply during the week. I usually have a few entrees that are not homecooked, just to keep me from getting too fussy. I suggest next time you do to movie night, don't take the plate. Just say something like, "Oh, gosh, too full for that. Maybe later." And ge...

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Well, I should time myself sometimes because when I eat my meals i chew most bites a good 50x. I never set out to achieve a certain number of bites but I chew everything until it is a liquid or very small particles. It's part of my savoring my food. I read a health food advisor say years ago that we...

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Wow, classic. Right on!

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It's typical to have it easy in the beginning, as much as it is to have it be hard. What it is usually not is linear, meaning there is a lot of "noise" along the way. But consistency has probability in its favor. You just have to give it long enough.

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I'm sorry, what plans? You mean like WW and such? You cobbled some over the time since you left No S and returned? I'm just curious. There's nothing more for me to do but keep honing my skills on weekends. Regarding control, ditto. It's funny how with No S I feel in control but not rigid. I definite...

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Was this book the catalyst for your recent weight loss?

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Looking forward to your progress.

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No S is a given.

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Unfortunately, I've had a lot of root canals. Not eating as many sweets has apparently not improved things. The dentist thinks I must have very acidic saliva, since the cavity is in a front tooth (bottom), very rare. They don't even x-ray the front teeth annually. Too bad for me, as they would have ...

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Nice work, NoSnacker! However I'm a little afraid if you weigh on a bad day and you have a gain. I'd hate to see you go into a tailspin over such a known enemy.

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I've seen the disorder actually called "Ed." (eating disorder) I now remember having a book, one of the few I didn't completely read, that was all visualization techniques to combat overeating. There was a dragon on the cover. I imagine the recommendation was to fight the dragon, not become it. I go...

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Well, I have to go back in to the dentist on Monday for him to check because I've been having a lot of pain. He might have to do a root canal on it. I pick up the antibiotic tomorrow. This is my second one this year, I think, so I might be paying out some change. Oh, well. At least I'm sticking to m...

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Awesome!

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This is not silly at all. This is incredibly insightful. You have identified that the desire/urge is so strong yet so amorphous. It is just a vague sense of anxiety not necessarily related to anything else, but just a sense that I am supposed to EAT. Yet it has to be a mistake because I'm NOT HUNGRY...

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Over43, Bruce Lee's 1-inch punch was pretty good, too. Yes, I can't believe how much better I feel about No S in this my third year and despite my problems, I always felt good about N days. It does get better! I know other plans felt permanent, too, but I never stuck with those. Hope I'm not kidding...

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Just had to say, WW? !!?%#@$! You poor thing; you WERE desperate. Can I please say to skip the scale for awhile? It is such a poor measure of anything but an illusion 90% of the time. Reinhard is SO right about this. The habits are your best effort. NOTHING else is as creditable than that. And your ...

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Well, I was a bit disappointed to hear that paleo did not solve your problems as I have always thought that would be the ace up my sleeve if I ever got in trouble. But thank you for having been strong enough to try it. And for being the one to experience the pendulum swing of it. Just like any restr...

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I eat what I want. However, I try to eat about what I would eat for a meal, if it is a meal. When I'm having a "good" S day, I have a dessert, too, at one meal. I just don't feel as good as I used to when I eat them, yet the desire for them doesn't go away. I actually eat what I want ALL the time, e...

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The only mod I've tried on S days and I'm not always successful with it is waiting until I am hungry to eat. The problem is that now when I eat sweets or perhaps a little richer food, I get full for long periods of time, but the desire to eat doesn't go away. But the idea of just conducting myself l...

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I listened to the whole thing! I would skip the induction and listen while I drove on long trips. I ddi listen sometimes at home before I went to sleep, too. I borrowed it from the library, so I had to give it back. I guess I didn't think it helped enough to buy it, but girl, if you did, go back to ...

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Welcome back! Now and for for the rest of your life...

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Just wanted to say it wasn't snacking all day that got me fat. It was bingeing on cake, frosting, and chocolate, a lot of it and often. But I also ate prepared snacks. If I had stuck to my eating plans, I would have been fine. In the end, both the snacking and the bingeing are just about gone and li...

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Go back to the CD. I've listened to the whole thing many times and there is nothing to fear. but do No S, too.

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I knew a lot about my whys long before No S, but it took until I was really scared that my bingeing would go on forever AND this sane system before I could just do it. I'll never know if it would have worked as well if I hadn't explored some things, but it's true that exploring alone didn't give me ...

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The French end their meals with fruit and cheese often, so you are just being chic. They also eat more dairy than other Mediterranean cultures and have the lowest heart disease. Milk, full fat, in coffee only in the a.m. Black coffee other times. About an ounce of cheese at the end of a meal, savore...

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10 year olds running 5k's? I'm glad they're hearing not to diet, but I wonder what the follow up is. It seems so pervasive, esp, with the media images bombarding us all the time. Regarding the question of why you do it, it's probably a little of both. But the cure is similar, though if there really ...

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I'm done eating for the day. Have had some pain from the filling yesterday. The dentist warned me. However, it's not exacerbated by chewing!

Still haven't done my exercise but I will.

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My first serious day on No S was a Friday and my first S days were on the road. but the next weekends were eat fests, starting at MIDNIGHT!

I think you do sound like you might be getting close to being tired of all this.

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You wouldn't have said no because you want to lose weight. You say no because you're too full at the time and/or you want to save your appetite for dinner. Because you wouldn't really enjoy the ice cream then. Because you enjoy your sweets so much more when you don't have them as often. Or something...

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I found I could not impose any modifications on S days for about 2 years. I knew I could try to treat them like N days, but maybe with one snack or one dessert, or two or whatever, but the day would come and I would just not do it. I would eat my breakfast and then just start eating other stuff. if ...

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One more thing about Riley's book. I looked on Amazon and saw she talks about brain chemistry. I read stuff about that online a few years ago and it made my blood run cold. I thought, oh, this is down to the neuron level. This is not going to go away lightly. I fight this now or I'm going to be eati...

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Oh, BTW, I just checked Gillian Riley's name in my local library. The only books by her there were about Italian and Dutch food! Don't know if it's the same woman, but I'm heartened that it's not "healthy" food. If only she didn't use that dang word "addiction." But glad to see someone insists you d...

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Actually, eating for relaxation and short-term pleasure is emotional eating. Emotional eating isn't only about covering up. . It's also about producing pleasurable emotions or feelings that have nothing to do with satisfying true hunger at the same time. What's keeping you from relaxing? Why do you ...

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I know I said on another thread that a colleague reported that her friend has been diagnosed with diabetes and her eating plan calls for three meals a day, no snacks. I think the amount of food eaten at the meals makes a difference.

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Okay, sorry to harp on N days, but I noticed that they seemed to have something to do with S days, too. It wasn't just that they were green. I was also eating less on them and getting to prefer more and more getting hungry earlier for my meals. Meaning that I was eating at my meals so that I would b...

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You have to consider the source... maybe he feels threatened and doesn't want to face that he's got problems with food, if he does. You could say you understand his concern but that you feel you are getting plenty of nutrition at your meals and don't think you are short-changing yourself one bit- wh...

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Sounds like the day went well. I envy your being able to be happy with a shake. I sometimes make myself very small ones to have with a meal, but if I don't have a fair amount of food to chew, I don't feel like I've had a meal. Shakes would sure be easy to make and clean up after!

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OMgosh, woman, you are a different person! It's great to see you developing your repetoire of coping strategies. Threatening to kick the crap out of the urge is a good one. And to supplement that reinforcing your loving side, think back on the food you did eat and how enjoyable it was. So you fed yo...

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If I may be so bold, I'm curious to know why you keep talking about some foods as being indulgent. Are you thinking that you are someday going to be living rarely eating those foods?

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Did okay, though I felt a little off today and also had a little bit of a weird lunch because I had a tooth filled unexpectedly and my mouth was still a bit numb when I decided not to wait anymore and have lunch. I wasn't very hungry for dinner, but went ahead, eating light. It always makes me feel ...

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One teacher at work had the surgery and she is really glad she did. She lost quite a bit of weight even before the surgery so she was to some degree accepting how she would need to eat beforehand. I asked her why she didn't just skip the surgery since she was doing well eating to lose weight beforeh...

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It doesn't matter what rule or guideline you determine, I believe the only way to thwart the what-the-hell effect (WTH) is to resist it when it arises. I understand that may be hard because it usually arises when our willpower is waning, but I think the habit will still be reinforced.

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Did you by any chance start another daily thread? This one being called "two weeks in" may be a little confusing. However, I think you can change the name, too.

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Why are you not pleased with your work assignment, if the kids are okay? Do you miss colleagues? I do Spec Ed work, too, but we have mostly mainstreamed kids, so I am in classrooms with 35-40 kids. Things just seem to get tougher every year, and there's not much room for what kids want for themselve...

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I don't mind long notes at all. I love No S, and love supporting people in it. Okay, remember you're talking to someone who had serious problems with S days for nearly TWO YEARS! If I wanted to be upset, I could be even now because my S days still aren't what others might call tame, but I sense the ...

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My first day off work, so didn't have it to shape my day. It went fine, though. I shopped this morning for a dress for a wedding I'm going to in New Orleans in May. Found a good one, I think, at Goodwill! I'll need to look for some kind of sheer drape, but I think I can find it. It's an evening wedd...

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Roxy, out of curiosity, how long have you been compliant on N days?

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On another site, a team member got a lot of help from Martha Beck (4-day Win), but for very similar reasons as we do on No S. She uses 4 days (rather than the 5 day week) as the measure for behaviors she is trying to incorporate and they worked so well for her that she ended up going a year without ...

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I've said before to similar posts that I have fallen off-nay, DIVED off the wagon and over the cliff to the creek below. I've discovered that, magically, if you get up and start walking, another, better wagon comes along! Before you know it, you're riding shotgun with Han Solo... Okay, that takes lo...

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Interesting, though it does make sense that your metabolic rate would drop for that time. Now get off the couch and go for a walk!

Ironically, I was just about to take a nap. I think I'll power through.

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No wonder, since I doubt they can find that many people who can stick to the diet and exercise part. However, I read recently that one of the unforeseen effects of bariatric surgery is that those around the patient also tend to lose weight after the surgery because they adopt better eating habits. I...

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All I remember Reinhard saying was that to the emotional eater, it seems like a good idea but that it's a very bad idea, and maybe a bit more. Well, what's new? (Actually, I just went an re-read the section and he does go into it a bit more, but along lines I think are questionable.) I LOVE the guy,...

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I'd say you've gotten a good bargain for your efforts!

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I don't think the queasy feeling comes from not eating. I think it's because I ate such an unusually starch-and-sweet "diet" yesterday. I'm not used to eating all dense foods, esp. not sweet/ processed things. I think if I'd had a meal with some veggies, protein, the snacky things as my starch and m...

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I lived in the Middle East in my early twenties and had an Iranian boyfriend (don't worry; much cooler guy than many Westerners) who had lived in India, so my tastes and cooking lean towards those flavors. In recent years, I was looking at a diet book called Cinch! in which the writer recommended me...

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I started yesterday with brownies. Had some shrimp later in the morning and snacky foods in the afternoon at a get-together. Was thinking of getting a burrito on the way home, but never got hungry again. Yes, I want savory today, too.

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Thirty years ago when I was trying to bake "healthy," I took some cookies with me to the office and a colleague asked to try one. She wrinkled up her face and said, "These are horse cookies!" I LOVED that line. That is about what they were worth. I'm so glad the stuff I said about baking went over o...

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I started the day with brownies. Not exactly what I had planned, but it happened. Later I had some shrimp, then later a few snacky foods at an event I went to. I waited to get hungry for dinner- never happened. In fact, I got the queasy feeling again, but this time, I didn't care. I'd been listening...

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Speaking of new books, Reinhard, have you ever thought of pitching one on the lifestyle of No S, 14 minutes, and Urban Ranger? You know, if you weren't so dang happy leading an emotionally stable, normal life, you could have a lifestyle empire, and you'd be doing more of a service than WW and exerci...

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Eating at night can have to do with childhood issues or even adult ones, but I have the thought that these things can be almost endless. I am almost constantly looking at my emotional issues in life. I've got a lot of them, I've come to see! Especially because I've discovered that my innate temperam...

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I'm lucky enough not to need to bake. (No kids.) Sure, I used to like it but I decided long ago that it was too easy to buy baked goods rather than bake at home and be subject to the lure of batter, which was my cocaine. I used to buy cake mixes just to eat the batter. I've put my cooking energy int...

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I suggest you let your body tell you if IF is an option after you have 90% or better N day compliance for a few months. At that point, it may be moot. If not, see if you don't sometimes lose your appetite for a couple of meals in a row periodically. It's happened to me spontaneous a few times in the...

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If you stay still during those moments of urge to eat, you will be able to feel the peace underneath that is the presence that all contentment comes from. It's under the urges, the anxiety, etc. With it, we're always safe, no matter what is happening on the outside. This issue with food is one of th...

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Thanks, even after two years it still can feel like a feat at times.

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