Everyday Systems

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I had a failure Thursday and ate light on Friday. Brought home a smallish piece of cheesecake from a staff lunch. Today, I stopped myself from eating it for breakfast, but ended up having it midmorning though I hadn't planned to. I resolved not to have a meal until I got legitimately hungry. Unbelie...

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I went to the facebook page and for some reason there was no Like icon.

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I had trouble getting going, had three good weeks, then went off, had three good weeks about 8 months later, then more failure for several months and finally got committed at 14 months. It's been 26 months now. It's great. Glad you've finally starting posting and glad that reading has helped. You're...

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I think it's a good idea to try to stick to the plan for awhile. Did you have dinner? I would sometimes make sure I had a really good dinner because Friday did have that celebratory urge. I also occasionally would have a pseudo-dessert, shortcake made with unsweetened biscuit, strawberries and yogur...

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Actually, you don't have to have them, but you can't fill their place on a plate and get the result you want, most likely. Skip them, but eat off a very small plate! When my mom died, my brother kept asking me if I didn't want the mini-George Foreman grill she had. I finally took it and am so glad! ...

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Yes, I agree. You should be able to have either one and be reasonable with it.

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I rarely eat full fat yogurt, but I always add a fat to it, such as walnuts or flaxseed meal. But if I have it, there's not a lot of fat in the rest of the meal. There's a really good 0 fat Greek yogurt at Costco, though expensive; Trader Joe's has a fantastic "European" no fat organic yogurt that i...

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I don't think the mac 'n' cheese is the problem as much as the volume of it you can eat at at time can't be very big. When I eat a fattier entree than usual, I try to keep the portion to the volume of two of my fists. That, veggies and fruit is usually plenty, though even today when I start eating, ...

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Haven't been counting days, but I've been compliant for a few weeks, I think. I'm just a few weeks away from my next weigh in on Mar. 20, first day of spring. I'm trying not to get too expectant. I've wanted to get into my normal BMI range for so long, but I also don't want to just get in it for ten...

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Called in sick to work but had to go down to school to set up for the sub. As I was driving back, I was thinking, you know, what's the difference if I go home and make some breakfast or just get a donut and enjoy it? Theoretically, it is possible, but like you, I just can't see introducing that now....

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I am so proud of you for seeing that you haven't actually been on the plan for any length of time in these years. It won't suddenly be easy, but you sound so much more ready. And the fact that you having already started walking is fantastic! Have great meals and the only thing you bite between meals...

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OMGosh, results on literally 12 minutes a day! And eating smartly, I'm sure.. Congrats on implementing the programs so successfully. You've done your children good, too.

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Why don't your try eating three meals a day rather than fasting? and no candy bars during the week? You are deceiving yourself if you let yourself truly believe that you do not have the power to prevent or stop binges The feeling that one is out of control during a binge is an illusion no matter wha...

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Just curious: what kinds of self-talk did you do that got you back into snacking or sweeting or whatever constituted falling off the wagon? I want to be on the lookout.

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The Biblical prodigal son got all the same goodies. Welcome back.

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cute name! I'm glad you're thinking in terms of the end of the year and not the end of the month!

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I think you are absolutely right that not having gained is success. Even without the stressors, most people in decent health are heavier a year later.

Good luck with greater compliance this year. I've had the greatest strides in months 22-26.

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In my opinion, the problem with intutive eating is not knowing when is hungry enough. I've been able to wait much longer for many meals on my N days than I probably would have chosen to if hunger had been my only guide, but I like it. IE leaves too much of the burden on me! It's funny, because on we...

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Just keep going until falling off the wagon really is just a fall off the wagon and not a long trudge on a dusty, dirt road... I'll say it again. This is not a diet; this is feeding yourself in a consistent, flexible, reasonable way. When it becomes a habit, you are going to feel sorry for people wh...

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Oh, we love getting you guys back. BTW, did you keep the weight you lost off, so you're starting where you were when you quit WW? Just to warn you, I'm still not in my normal BMI range, and it's taken me since October to lose aobut ten pounds. It was not linear. Stable stable stable, then a big drop...

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I think what is being ignored is that it is not necessarily a moral victory that makes the "restrained" eater choose the food she does. As you said, it allows for more choice at other times when the array might be better. It may feel better to be able to eat a larger volume that won't stay heavy on ...

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The fact that the candy plays the role of fun seems like one of the reasons not to have it on a daily basis, though I guess it could take over the role that booze plays in some people's lives. I don't drink, but sometimes I know it would be nice to relax with a glass of wine. Some of my teacher frie...

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Defaults don't have to be daily. They are just easy fallback meals if you can't have what you want easily or for the day you forget your lunch, etc.

Having the snack foods at your meal is smart. You'll start feeling it will spoil your appetite to have them any other time.

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I actually don't think the treat is a bad habit as it is. If you consistently eat only what you've been having, I think that's fine and is what many slip people do. My slim ex-boyfriend routinely ate a bowl of ice cream every night and had two cookies at lunch every weekday. If you know that's your ...

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I had a good week with food, not so great with exercise, but whatrya gonna do? I am so close to getting into my normal BMI range and I know the crux of the issue is still weekend eating, which isn't as bad as it was but is still not moderate. I did have several moderate weekends in a row and that ma...

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IF the basic concept of No S has helped you be more sane, yay! However, from my experience and reading those of others on other sites, I can say that it was a lot harder to be moderate about my sweets when having them often. But you're right that the secret is to be committed to a small amount. I ca...

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We have a testimonial thread where you can read of more who have lost and kept it off. I've lost about 25 lbs. and I'm still dropping bit by bit, but I had kept 20 off for quite awhile. I've thought of intermittant fasting but every time I think I might do it, I get so jittery about it, I start thin...

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Yes, I still make biscuits (more like an English scone) some nights. They have kept me many times from scarfing down sweets.

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Having starches that I love at almost every meal, and having about 1-2 ounces of something fatty at every meal, too. Looking forward to a lovely biscuit with butter, wheat tortilla with meat, veggies and tons of olives, high fiber bagel with melted cheese, cereal with walnuts of flaxseed meal, etc.,...

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Are you aiming at 14 minutes of ANYTHING to start? I've even had days on which I've divided THAT up into segments because I felt out of time at the regular time I exercise. Ended up doing more than 14 minutes total. It would be good to add your own ideas and read that list daily until the habit is w...

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My next official weigh-in is about the time of your one-month experiment. I'll be curious to see how it's gone for you. You'd certainly have a saner WW experience than most, if you decide to go that route. It probably wouldn't take long to see where the cuts need to be, but that might happen this mo...

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You might very well pig out on S days for awhile. Don't give up. Just keep thinking of what the alternatives are. I believe you have a better chance sticking with this. TWo days out of seven is better than most days out of most days! And it can get better even after being at a standstill.

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It may not have sounded like it before, but I agree with harmony a lot. When I said to have proper meals, I just meant don't resort to cheese and crackers all the time. Put the food on a plate, sit down, and enjoy. I will often get a fast food burrito (live in SoCal) on the way home from work. Divid...

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How is it going, jmj?

Your plate size might change over the year. Use a dinner plate to start. Leave yourself room to modify as time goes on. Don't try to get all the details right from the beginning, except the obvious details: the 14 words on the cover of the book.

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I don't if people just don't list them, but when I've looked at the default thread or even at individual daily threads, it seems to me a lot of people don't eat many vegetables or even salad. (I don't call a cup or two of lettuce and a few cukes and tomatoes a lot of vegetables.) There are exception...

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It is very useful to develop the habit of anticipatory grocery shopping. I know that most of my meals are going to have certain ratios of food types so I make sure to buy those things. I look for deals on those foods, buy in quantity at times, cook simply, freeze if necessary, and add sauces at meal...

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I recommend not doing it. I was an emotional eater and a big sweet binger for decades. I think you should use the program as written for a few months before trying any modifications. Yes, it can be hard to follow the rules, but it's worth it. I really like my 5-day stretches of no sweets. It did tak...

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Everyone's right! Your plate can be heavy; just keep slowly changing the ratio of fatty, dense foods (meat, cheese, refined carbs with rich gravies) and light, water-rich foods. Add some movement. Maybe "accidentally" leave out a little bit of food at a meal and see: is it unbearable hours later? I ...

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A very good excuse indeed!

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How could you have diet backlash today? I thought you were not dieting.

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You are lucky you can snack without going overboard. Many people can convince themselves they're hungry when they're just nervous or anxious. Or be legitimately hungry, eat a snack, and eat just as much food later.

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All this dieting stuff? What dieting stuff? Just eat three meals a day without sweets. That is not dieting. That is living and feeding yourself moderately and appropriately. It simplifies your life because it doesn't revolve around eating all day long. How many people does it take to cook for? I'm o...

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Most days I get to hungry without ever going through a shaky stage. Some days, I can go 8 hours without shakiness. Other days, I get shaky after 5 hours. I don't get it. But my meal times are actually meal windows for me, though lunch is set on weekdays.

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Had a semi-wild Saturday and a sane Sunday but mostly because I was panicked about grades and still am not close to done. I didn't do my reistance work this morning as my sleep was whack. I was up at 2:30 a.m. writing emails about student problems. maybe I'll get it in tonight? But I did do it every...

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This is where I'm betting Reinhard would say your doctor's advice rules. Did your doctor make any recommendations? or just say to lose weight? Or anything? Whatever foods are recommended or prohibited, the changes can be incorporated into three plates a day.

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Blithe Morning, I hope I didn't sound like I came down too hard. I did rather think that you meant don't be so hard on yourself for a fail, especially if it's just from having a cookie or two after dinner or whatever. I may have been the one who mentioned Beck other places. Unfortunately, I actually...

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Ah, who would have thought it would be Subversive to decreases S's.

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I don't think he meant that 1 pound a week was too fast. I bet he was surprised she wasn't losing more on those measly meals. Good Lord, how little would she have to eat to lose the proverbial 2 lbs. a week? For me, a pound a week would be glorious! But I'm relatively happy with how I'm eating, so I...

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Sorry, but I don't agree with saying if you want a sweet, eat a sweet. I don't think you can wait until you don't want sweets not to eat them. However, I do agree with the recommendation to keep a record. If you end up giving in, mark it as a fail, and work not to get so down on yourself for it. If ...

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Luck with Intuitive Eating? Try gaining 40 lbs. over a period of years. Do you think you won't feel like you're dieting? When you eat what you want, and then have to wait to get hungry and you don't get hungry for 7 or 8 hours, but you would still really really like to eat? How often do you wait unt...

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I'm glad Beck has done you good. I sometimes wonder what would happen if they did a study on using only her pre-diet techniques, esp. the beginning suggestions about enjoying every bite, sitting down to eat, and stopping before you're full, over the course of a year and seeing where people were-- no...

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Wow, all things are relative. I don't want to discourage you, but it took me almost two years to get to the point you are now with sweets! I was still eating 12 ounces of chocolate and other stuff on a weekend more than a year into it. However, I had still lost weight. But I turned a corner 23 month...

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How long has it been that you are letting yourself get very discouraged? Your previous "failures" on other eating plans don't count. Have you failed 50 times yet on No S? One of the biggest problems for habit change, and esp. eating habits, is that we want to be done with the problems in a few weeks...

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Sitting down can be the first step! Good call. When I first started, I consciously sat at my dining table rather than on the couch. It felt so dinner-ish, like being a child and a grown-up at the same time! Now there's stuff all over the table again, but I don't need the cue as much. But I also noti...

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Two green food days and three days of 14 minutes 9Still got today to go for food). The house is down in the low 60's when I get up and I start my movements in the bathroom with a space heater. By the fourth move, I'm out in the bedroom and some days I get so hot I go out on the deck to finish! I won...

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OMgosh, this what I try to warn people about on Sparkpeople. They write these blog declarations about how they're done with bingeing, they're going to give up sugar, they hate themselves for what they just ate, say Why Why Why and vow never to do it again, this is the first day of their new life, et...

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Giving up talking about dieting can be hard! I realized in retrospect once how boring I must have been when I went on and on with out of town friends after a big weight loss 20 years ago. And it's worse when it's all conjecture. In Judtith Beck's newer program, she has an extra motto she encourages ...

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Though I tortured myself about food and my weight for decades, I actually rarely stuck to any plan, though I did have a few bouts. I am not one who has been on countless diets. I couldn't stick to them for two days! No S was the first time I thought about doing something for at least a year. Now it'...

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The thing that's radically different that you need is to stick to one plan for several weeks. How many completely green weeks of No S have you had? So, your plan is to listen to the hypnosis CD every day as well as do the activity, and just let whatever eating changes happen. I encourage you to foll...

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I got through many danger times just thinking, I can wait a few hours to eat. That's all I have to do. I'm a big girl, and it won't hurt me to wait. It's never more than a few hours since my last meal and until the next meal, and it's rarely a problem for more than two hours.

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BTW, I went to look at what Rosie said she was doing and it was very disappointing. Her foods sound very constricted. She said she eats mostly vegetables at lunch with a salad. Vegetables with a salad? And a green drink in the morning along with a bowl of cereal. Meat, brown rice and veggies for din...

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That is a better focus. I also think it would be great if they talk to her again in a year, if she has kept up the changes, even if she's not thin. I find it hard to believe she won't have lost 10% of her weight, if she's being honest with herself about how much she really needs at those meals. I th...

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I've been failing this week on food, but I don't feel terrible about it. Am I too complacent? Sometimes when I think how long it is taking for me to get into my normal BMI range, I can start to get crabby, but the truth is being crabby hardly ever helped me get serious the next time I had a choice t...

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Hi, I am new to reading your thread. I have a suggestion which has helped me over the last two years. I try to limit my portions of starch and protein to about the volume of my two fists at lunch and dinner. The rest of the plate is freggies. Sometimes when I look at the plate, I'll think, oh, that'...

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Sleep is actually effective. Dancing, too. At least in my experience.

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I'm guessing they implied it's shocking because I think she has been rather defiant about her weight and food choices in the past. I'm starting to look askance at Dr. Oz. His show is almost as bad as a news program. He jumps from topic to topic and obviously has to fill the time but can't expect muc...

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I had tried listening when I drove years ago but found I would need to pay attention to the road and would lose the story. Recently, I listened to non-fiction while on the road and it has worked out well. In fact, since I live alone, I sometimes listen to podcasts or have youtube on of people I like...

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I love hearing that a man my age looks like one of the P90X guys, and I envy your lack of desire for sweets. Plus, free is very good!

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Let's keep our priorities straight.

What do you do while you listen to an audio book? Do you listen while you walk to work?

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And please remember you've been at this only one month. Yes, there are some who gained even after awhile, but I find it hard to believe they were really responding to hunger. S days can definitely take awhile, too. You'll have to make similar adjustments to the ones you'd have to make anyway. It jus...

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People look at you with disgust for eating? Or are you just thinking they do? However, I think the not eating in secret is a good idea. However, I live alone and don't socialize much. I'd hardly ever get a sweet if I didn't eat some alone. Unfortunately, I know I sometimes eat them to replace having...

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Hope you got past wanting to eat. Those are the moments with the most retraining power, usually.

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Food success Monday and Tuesday after two failures late last week. Back to the weirdness off off-sleep and grading. I was up until 2 a.m. grading Sun. night and did not do weights or walking yesterday. I had dinner at 5 and fell asleep not long after until about an hour ago, though I did wake up awh...

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How's this last week of January? It's never too late to benefit from a green day.

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Hey, clarinetgal, I remember you! Welcome back.

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Whew, that sounds pretty light to me, but if it pleases you, so be it. What do you mean by a spread for the bread? butter? nut butter? jam?

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I know I've said before that Judith Beck's techniques helped me stick with No S many times. The FIRST thing she tells would-be dieters to do is to list the advantages of losing weight. I amended it to say the advantages of eating sanely. I have about 40 of them. She recommnends making a portable lis...

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My first year of No S, I found that with not bingeing in the afternoon and evenings, I was often hungry for breakfast early. In this my third year, I find that even if I eat a relatively light dinner, I may not be hungry in the morning. I sometimes elect to skip breakfast. I never then allow myself ...

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Do you mean you add chia seeds to your meal? How?

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I know I'm repeating myself here, but one of the things that sobered me about my expectations about weight loss was reading a report by a researcher on obesity who said that a program that resulted in only about an average of 7 pounds of sustained weight loss for a group of OBESE women- for whom 7 p...

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Have had a good week. Food good each day and weights work done, too. Not as much walking. I've had to do a lot of hoofing at work so I've been counting that as 15 minutes a day. Now that I write that, I think I really should be able to add a half hour at home. Got to get home earlier, though it's no...

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Nice work! I would be very happy to be in the middle of my BMI range. Heck, I'll be happy to get in the top of it! But I'm not stressing over it. Nice to be reminded not everyone wants to be ultra thin.

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Yeah, the longer I wait to eat, the less I want to overdo sweets. When I'm really hungry, I want savory! But I still look forward to cookies and a great slice of cake on weekends.

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It is easier when I'm working, but as a teacher, I have some extended time off during the year. I've had some very compliant breaks and some more chaotic, but it is getting easier all the time. Lots of SAHM's used to eat three meals a day. In fact, when I was growing up, except for the occasional co...

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Eating dinner at midnight would be a problem for me, but really, once you get in the swing of things. It starts to seem like almost nothing can make this impossible, unless you are in a situation where you do not have access to relatively decent food for 12 hours a day. That is so rare in our cultur...

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I've been keeping up more with my weights work but not getting in 30 minutes of walking, yet I feel the difference and think it will be only a matter of time before it becomes more routine. Ain't it great?

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Congrats restarting. I am waiting for lunch now and really looking forward to how wonderful my food is going to taste. I feel so good a lot of the time when I'm not stuffed. Keep pressing on!

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Just wanted to mention that I know 'waiting until you're hungry" is not usually touted on this site, but 23 months of many green N days have helped me appreciate hunger. I actually knew what it was like before No S but agree that it can be confusing to use it as the only criterion most days of the w...

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Just wanted to add in that I traveled in Nepal back in the late 70's and spent time up in the mountains in quite primitive villages. The local people got up very early and worked for a few hours each day with only hot water or tea. They didn't eat a meal until the mid-morning. The body is pretty ada...

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Basically, you have to come up with the modification that sounds reasonable to you. For more than a year, NO modification sounded reasonable to me, yet I was caught in the weight-loss riptide. I wasn't losing more and even gained some back, but I couldn't stand the idea of not being able to overeat ...

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I'm amazed the lengths some people will go. I imagine if I had a serious health problem that was ameliorated by eliminating food groups, I hope I would have the strength character to do it. But I'm on another site where I see people losing weight by going low carb, ultra low carb, vegan, raw, vegeta...

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Your poor mom! Reminds me, though, that when my mom was 79, she fell and broke her hip. Apparently, she did quite well recuperating because my sister overheard her doctor talking about how exemplary one of his 80-year old patients was doing after hip surgery- except my sister didn't recognize who he...

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A nice testimony to No S and to your successful habit of moderation.

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Nice job!

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What a coup! so wonderful

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I hadn't had a failure since the Monday after Thanksgiving and then I went a little crazy with bread after dinner last night. It's amazing how calmly I sat there eating slice after slice. Oh, well, just have to amke sure it's not the beginning of a trend, which I don't really fear.

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Oh, yes. I don't imagine Reinhard thought people would start eating at midnight! But it's helpful to keep to relatively regular hours of eating, though having something late on a Saturday night may be part of the freedom, but it isn't meant to condone consistent gorging. It's all about becoming more...

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WW gets a bad rap, but they've been emphasizing portion control for years. Most of us can eat just about anything and attain or maintain a moderate weight as long as we don't eat a lot of it! Sorry about your head injury, but if you can participate here and read the book, you're well on your way. Ha...

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I think I started on a Friday, but I also travelled that weekend, and I tend to eat more sanely when I'm traveling. No food in the car.

Yeah, just start.

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It's what you put on them that makes the difference. I've had them with cut-up fruit slightly stewed with just a touch of jam. For me, if I had used syrup, they would have been a sweet, as they were a binge food for me. But two 4-inchers with fruit filled me up and didn't make me crave junk later.

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