Everyday Systems

oolala53

Don't know if anyone else has trouble on Friday nights. It just feels like such a release to finish work that the old feelings of wanting to celebrate with food come up. I still remember how I would often go to Target on my way home Friday afternoons 30 years ago and shop for stuff I needed, but als...

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Different people have different experiences. I suspect many give up before they beat those urges back. Some people get off easy in a few weeks. Others give up then if it's not easy. How long have you had the habit of snacking? As you know, most weight losers gain their weight back. Some of them prac...

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Oh, that's good.

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Hmm, I just painted them dark blue to match my dress when I attended our school's prom to see my senior students. If I can do that... actually green was the first color I saw a woman wearing years ago that was not a pink or red. The woman was older than I was, standing on the sidelines of an African...

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Had you gotten ESE before, or just recently?

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Brad Pilon's program, Eat Stop Eat, recommends one or two days a week on which a person basically skips breakfast and lunch. He says to fast for 24 hours, from dinner one day until dinner the next, and then eat a normal meal, as well as "normal" eating on other days. (He used to say one could freely...

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okay, team! Check in, at least. You can start over or just keep track so that you can see the ratio for the 90 days at the end.

Lurkers, why not start planning to declare yourself for Memorial Day through Labor Day?

oolala53

Wow, it's been awhile. I've had all green days since my last post. My weekends are better, too. Last Friday, I had another luncheon. I felt fine eating only enough to be comfortably full. Took a plate of leftovers and didn't have those until Sat. And I had two car issues Friday night, back to back, ...

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You don't even have to do all 14 minutes at a time, I'd say.

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Wait, let me try this. but I won't know until it gets posted.

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You're not hijacking. This is exactly what I wanted the thread for. I'd use a smiley icon, but they don't work on my computer, for some reason.

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Dang, that is the ultimate test, isn't it. What do I really want? to be free from food compulsion or thinner? I hope you keep working it to see what you need to tweak. Congrats for sticking with it!

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It would be great for you to get to 21 days on your first try, but don't let that determine whether you stick around again or not. But it's worth every white-knuckle moment, if they arise.

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Stick with the hot chocolate, if it worked. I could have sworn I recommended mocha, which I make with half milk, half coffee, cocoa powder and stevia. Or you might just have hot milk with vanilla. or hot milk! or cold milk! keeping it simple. In Volumetrics, it said that milk is the one liquid that ...

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Thanks for the heads up. We'll be looking for the full report later.

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Yes, it's possible. Don't expect the same rate all the time! The body does its thing. Just focus on the habits. Try not to figure everything out. This program is as much about letting go of it all as it is about losing weight.

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I've listened to it many times as well, but I still have trouble. I continue to eat more than I need just because I can, though the weekends are getting better and I've been down to my lowest Monday weights two Mondays in a row. I hope our little band will keep this thread up so that we can cheer ea...

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I think the namesakes had benevolence in mind, too, but they didn't have much control over what others did with their ideas. We No S-ers will keep trying to lead by example and let the observers accept the edicts on their own.

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It's okay-- I'll keep brainstorming. thanks for trying!

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I wish I could remember something specific. I know it had a lot of posts about the freedom, how delicious the food tastes, how you get used to gaps between meals-the gamut in one thread. I participate on threads for binge eaters and I want to have a link I can give them that emphasizes how much help...

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You're probably right that it is the mental change that will be most important. What you can't know until you experience it is how much you're going to like getting hungry eventually. You will love not spoiling your appetite!

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I know there is a thread that's called something like Why I love No S. I searched that phrase and the result listed 65 pages of possibilities. Would someone else help me find it?

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I'm glad this is a reminder. For us bingers, it is NOT a given that a sometimes is not needed. I have tried to institute mods for S days. None of them has stuck, but my S-ing is decreasing. I'm actually starting to imagine that I could be a sometimes-er at some point without it tripping the binge-wi...

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Didn't have a great week with exercise, but I'm not starting over. I did walk a lot this weekend, so even if I'm not consistent on weekdays, I think this helps justify my keeping to my original 90-day plan. All green N days and pretty good eating this weekend.

oolala53

I keep cocoa and stevia around, and milk, plus decaf to have mocha. 1/2 coffee, 1/2 milk, 2 t. cocoa, smidge of stevia. Very satisfying to sip.

but water is good, too.

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While some may be disappointed by the rate of loss, it may be good to know that a medically supervised study on weight loss for the obese, it was considered a success if the members lost 7 pounds and kept it off for a year! Most everyone else in the study did worse! I know that sobered me up. And is...

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I have an orange, lemon, loquat, tangerine, and avocado tree. I don't get many avos, though.

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I've been consistently No S-ing for 16 months. I took off 8% of my weight in about four months last year. I've been wavering a bit and never have had consistently tame weekends, but I've kept the weight off and anticipate losing even more because I've started to incorporate exercise (I'm the one who...

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Stick with it today!

I made it to 21 on Monday, 5/9. Whew! I had a hard time getting back here.

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I'm selfishly moving this topic up for myself, I guess. I'm feeling pretty good about going into this weekend as I've had a few better ones in a row. I know I have to shake off the sense that anything less than what I interpret a perfect weekend to be is a drag. I actually do okay with that most of ...

oolala53

Sorry you haven't had any reinforcement on the scale. I hope you stick with No S just for the discipline. Give it time to become more routine. Remember, after people lose weight, they have to eat in a way different from their high-weight days. You're learning to have gaps between meals and and discr...

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I avoid taking in all of one type of calorie at any time, so I tend not to drink juice. I'd rather have the fruit at meal time. I do drink milk, either by itself or in coffee. I don't consider it cheating at all, though if someone was drinking any calories immoderately--say chugging down cup after c...

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I think what it's all about is feeling that you have a general consistent routine for getting fed a few times a day and no more. I just am feeling more and more solid in my N days. This is how I eat now, I find myself thinking. Even though I wasn't consciously questioning it, I realized for months I...

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So, do you eat just three meals a day?

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Just want to tell you that I went through many periods of my life eating very similarly to you and thinking I just could not imagine stopping. I would sometimes diet, and for awhile the urges would go away, but like you, if the thought of a food came in my mind, I would just go get it. I had actuall...

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When I lived in Iran, my Iranian boyfriend gave me the impression that people didn't eat until later in the morning, but typical fare was fresh baked flatbread from a local bakery, feta cheese, tomato slices, and cucumber. And always hot tea. The hummus breakfast reminded me of this. I have either 2...

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No, really.

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Oh, by the way, if you notice, I'm 5'6"-only .5" taller than you are. 154 is my highest allowable BMI and that's my goal. If No S takes me lower, so be it. I might be able to go lower later, but I don't know. You would have to have quite a deficit to lose weight very fast. Do you feel like you were ...

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What are the dark "spots" at the bottom of the glasses?

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Actually, Reinhard has said that phasing in the S's is a perfectly valid way to use the plan.

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When I was about five, I said i didn't like tapioca pudding. Yet, for some reason I started calling it Chicken ala King, and then I would eat it. Didn't matter that it had no chicken in it or that I had never tasted Chicken ala King! go figure.

oolala53

Welcome back, and congrats on your re-loss.

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The weight you lose on this diet will come when you get over dieting and trying to eat to lose weight. You've got to get used to enjoying your meals and being convinced that it's okay to have delicious food. Then you have to get honest about how much it actually takes to satisfy you but allow you to...

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Unfortuanately, it's hard for things to get much exposure unless they are profitable or sensational. Common sense doesn't "sell."

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One more week and you'll have two streaks. Yes!

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I think there should be a sequel to the No S Diet book: the No S lifestyle. Basically the same thing but hooking the non-diet crowd. I think the first time around, the word diet had to be used to get the weight loss crowd's attention. And include Shovelglove/resistance and Urban Ranger. I would just...

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Ha! I failed with 14 mintues of resistance both Thurs and Fri. I just can't wait very long into the evening and as of now it is just not working out in the morning. I already get up pretty early. However, I've decided to just keep the same dates and not start over. I did a lot of walking on the week...

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Yes, you do have to watch yourself, but it's up to you whether these are the death throws of the old habit or the beginning of a resurgence. I think you're on the safe side of this, but it's always good to back to the fence around the law.

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My, the last post was quite awhile ago. More than four months later, (actually 16 months of No S) I finally feel that the wildness is letting go on the weekends. I still don't eat as I envision I will when I'm eating 99% sanely, it is getting easier. I just don't feel as much of a need to pretty muc...

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How are you doing with No S? Did it get so easy you felt like it was pointless to keep writing aobut it or did life get in the way?

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I was out of touch for awhile. Glad to hear you are liking your progress.

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hey, how are you doing?

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Terrific!

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My understanding of the concept of unconditional permission to eat from Intuitive Eating is more about the content of the food than of amounts or frequency. Therefore, foods that strict dieters may have formerly thought of as forbidden are A-okay. But it is also a premise of the program that the per...

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Haven't used all the links, but sorry to hear the old news now about your arm! Goodness gracious! Keep on healing.

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Does this mean you can program on the fly now?

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I've been surprised by how this is motivating me. I had a couple of nights on which I waited until rather late to exercise and almost went to bed. Then I thought of already messing up on my streak so I just set the timer and went at it!

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So true, Noel. If you get back into the groove, then one failure is just a small ratio of your total compliant days. Kittymom, if you haven't already, go read the sticky topic on the stages of No S. Three weeks of compliance is just the hook. Statistically, it takes a lot longer for it to become a h...

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Happy Birthday and good move!

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Be sure to go post on the 21-day streak, too!

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Sounds like a plan. And as you say, you can always go back to what you were doing before.

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Nicest/Damned, your tactics are very sensible, I believe. I've posted here before that the thoughts and feelings of anxiety if a person doesn't get that food are the result of a brain pattern (otherwise known as "just my mind") very similar to the ones that OCD-ers experience. They are taught to do ...

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Yogurt has a very similar makeup to milk. The Indians mix it with ice, water, and sugar for a drink; Iranians, with ice, water, and a little salt. (They like the tangy flavor.) It's your choice to have a mini-meal, in any case.

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No matter what happened with the scale at this point, congrats on the habit. It's a nice feeling, no?

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Noel, I know where you're coming from. Man, why doesn't my body just want food when it needs it, so that I could just eat whenever I felt like it?! What's it like to live like that?

And, now back to our program. I hope.

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But that is NO days a week.

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I think they're trying to ride the coattails of the Younger Next Year series, and Charla Krupp's How Not to Look Old. If you can't sell it to them to lose weight, get 'em worried about looking old. I know they talked about super foods. Once again, focusing on the ancillary issue. Eat moderately! App...

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Boy, Friday afternoons are hard. There is such a sense of release that seems to be perfect for celebrating with food. We had a luncheon today that included some awesome cookies. I took one wrapped up for the weekend. Even without that, I would so love to be able to tuck into something right now, eve...

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That is so worth it!

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A friend referred to this idea, so I looked it up. Does anyone else see a problem? http://www.physorg.com/news192370949.html The fast group was losing a pound a week, for pity's sake. Whew, falling off a cliff there! Actually, I'm glad to know that at that rate the long term prospects are pretty good.

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I was just trying to leave the options open on No S for those who might want to cultivate some other cardio activity. I do want consistency in my life, but my real goal in terms of fitness is to be able to keep up more in dance class, so I want to give myself the option of doing a dance tape as my f...

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Wow, I thought this was just normal, at least subconsciously. I have fleeting thoughts like this a lot. I'm not sure what it means, but I know now I'm going to ignore them. Talk to me in three months.

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Not sure anyone can help you here. I know many people have been able to gain weight by going on low-calorie diets repeatedly and then greatly overeating when they come off them.

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No need to do all three. It's your 90-day program.

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Stay strong! It's worth it.

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Okay, after nearly 16 months of about 80% compliance on No S, but still never getting consistent with my exercise, and after countless times having the P90X infomercial on in the background, and now that it's daylight savings time, I finally decided to challenge myself with a 90 day streak. I put it...

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three more days, counting today. No need to wait until May!

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I've had a pretty good run. Mostly successes. I've started a 90-day run on the general board.

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Are you kidding? We're just happy for you that you're back.

I'm not beyond eye-rolling in private. But I'd be likely to use it for the extreme dieters. People who come back to No S are just sane!

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You can't be the only one who has started over many times. You are one of the many to actually come back and report it. Remember, the ones who leave hardly ever come back to say they're gone or they've quit. Just keep trying. Get curious about what you can adjust. When do you usually cave? Could you...

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Yeah, this morning I was thinking that even with No S, I think I still spend too much time dickering about this issue. Why won't thinking about food just go away? Then I thought I've never actually tried to make a practice of diverting my thoughts over and over to something else. It seems sad at mom...

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Welcome to inevitablility.

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Agreed. Watch out for that salt...

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You made it!

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Glad you're finding what works for you.

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Of course! Those were just the guidelines. Everyone can design his/her own version of RE. The more moderate, the better!

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Sparkpeople is a huge (5 million members) free diet site that tries to support healthy eating and movement and provide online tools for tracking food and exercise, as well as articles, exercise videos, and forums like this one. They don't recommend rigid limitations of foods per se, though they don'...

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Yeah, I know. I am not a team leader there, so I can't declare goals. I believe many of the members have not read the book. As I said, people are struggling and I think they were hoping there would be a sense of success that members could build on if they could make it to 4 days instead of 5. But I ...

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I was making a play on P90X. This is R(einhard)E(ngels)90X.

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I'm on that team and I can tell you we could use a few more people who are are being able to stick to the program. I, too, admire how many people there keep believing in No S even though they haven't been able to achieve even a few N days in a row. I think they know instinctively it is a sane way to...

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Updating this on Juyl 6 after mostly a bust of the attempt. I have ahd few failures on No S, but almost totally failures on exercise. I'm going to finish this out through July 13 and start a new thread on July 14 (Bastille Day!). Anyone is welcome to start anytime, either here and transfer with me o...

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It's quite a paradox that overeaters say they love food but they seldom really taste it. But I know slim people who are fast eaters, too. What a waste!

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I don't know how long you've been doing this, but I recommend experimenting with breakfast and milk in between before adding a chew. I thought my big gap in the morning was going to be impossible, but protein and fat helped a lot. Fat is an easy way to add calories without a lot of bulk. (Remember? ...

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Ah, a failure. I almost feel like not counting it, but that woudln't be good for me. It just felt so good, though I know I've been able to have milk in other situations that got me passed the desire. Did get in a goo walk today.

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You got to admit she looks dang good. People say a lot about her, ahem, voluptuousness, but she still looks sllliiiimm to me. I'm glad to know she's not getting away with anything. Sounds like she eats reasonably.

Not that we know if any of it is true.

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I think the point was is being in the overweight category necessarily unhealthy. I thought the categories were determined by correlated health risks. They do go up in general for higher weights, but there are always exceptions.

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I think one element that may be overlooked is the social aspect of their lives. I imagine there is a sense of homogeneity and support from the family system. There isn't quite as much of an incentive to live a long life if you're not going to have anyone around to know you and interact with you in a...

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Sunday a little wild. Monday green. Weight is below 170.

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I think you did well. I actually often eat my breakfast in the car. It is the hardest meal to get myself to sit for because I feel I should be getting ready or doing housework I didn't get to the night before. But on the freeway, I can take my time, chew, and enjoy the morning light. But the questio...

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No theories, but similar experiences. Mine can fluctuate by more than a pound in a day. I can usually see a connection to the amount of salt I've eaten but it won't stop me from having some salty foods sometimes. I know it's just water. There are so many things that can affect how much water we're s...

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