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dmarie710 wrote: The diet mentality is a problem & the reason I go off & on No S is I'll think I should count calories instead. Really, I can do no s and make sure I'm eating low calorie foods.

It seems to me that the diet mentality is still very much in effect.

wosnes

Welcome, Croaker!

As long as your evening snacks are on S days only -- don't worry about it.

wosnes

I think it's more about doing what works for you rather than following the rules. Good luck!

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This is interesting. It validates something I've believed for a long time. You don't need to bust your butt to lose weight. Doing something consistently, even though slowly, is equally as beneficial as high-intensity workouts in terms of weight loss.

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Okay, for all that I prefer "real" food, this is where my face gets red. I might live in New England, but I grew up in Virginia. I stock up on Duke's mayonnaise every time I go down to visit my family, and you couldn't take it away from me with a shotgun. I looked up Dukes -- it's worse than Hellma...

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It's not internet rumor about Dean Ornish being refused by Julia Child. It's in his book Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease . I've heard of the Full Plate Diet, but, to me, it's just another incarnation of various high-fiber diets. Nothing wrong with it, but nothing spectacular, e...

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The question to ask yourself is: can I see myself doing what I'm doing right now, in terms of what I'm eating and how I'm moving, on a long-term basis? It doesn't sound like you are eating much at all so I'd be more inclined to look at how much exercise you're getting before adjusting anything. I''...

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I don't think I've seen the commercial, but I'm aware that chef Bobby Flay is the spokesperson for Hellman's mayonnaise "real ingredients" or "real food" advertising campaign. There is some question, however, about how real their ingredients are. "Natural flavoring"is usually code for some form of m...

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Then again, I occasionally have days when I'm either much hungrier or less hungrier than usual and can't associate it to anything.

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I think that you might be at the weight your body wants to be. You might be able to starve yourself down to 120-123, but you'll go right back to the 130s once you're not being hyper-vigilant.

I'm with Noel -- give up the goal weight.

wosnes

I'd call it an S week and be done with it. If you can do regular meals it's great, but if you can't it's great, too.

wosnes

For what it is worth, Frito Lay hired someone who worked for the United Nations to try to make their foods better for people. I heard a podcast interview of the person, and it does seem like a sincere attempt to improve foods. Chips are processed foods, of course, but Frito Lay chips are baked rath...

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I eat at 5:30 am and won't eat lunch until around noon so I can make it to dinner, which sometimes isn't until 7:00 PM. If we go out on a Friday night for with other people, sometimes dinner doesn't occur until 9 or 10 at night. I guess in retrospect, I could have had a healthy snack, called it a y...

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It occurred to me some time ago that Big Food is as aligned with dietitians and nutritionists and Big Pharma is aligned with doctors and nurses. My daughter was having some digestive problems recently and it was suggested that she eat Activia yogurt. It's as full as artificial ingredients as any oth...

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That's nice, but something about celebrities simplifying their diet and exercise routines the way they often do in interviews often irks me. I eat well, work out, indulge when want to and don't eat shit every day, and my body certainly doesn't look like her's...and she's what, 40? I'm 23. I think p...

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Another good article from Zen Habits. Also, a good quote from a different article at the same site: Eat simple food Gandhi never had a problem with being overweight. He followed a strict vegetarian diet and frequently cooked his own simple food, which was locally produced. He ate this simple food fr...

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When I was walking a lot and getting 10,000 steps daily at work weight wasn't an issue. I've never done the gym thing, and probably never will.

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My ex-husband has always been slim -- usually somewhat underweight for his height. He always had coffee first thing in the morning, but rarely ate breakfast. He rarely snacked and didn't eat junk food. His meal times were erratic due to the nature of his work, but he always ate meals when he ate and...

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Is "healthy treats" an oxymoron?

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I think there's a difference between something that tastes sweet and "sweets."

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I don't look at "diets" anymore -- at least not as something that I'd give thought to following. "Diets" are good for a laugh and not much more.

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I wouldn't call that a failure because I don't consider cinnamon raisin toast to be a treat or dessert. It's NOT no sugar. Frankly, it wouldn't have crossed my mind that cinnamon toast might be a sweet.

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There are 20-25 grams of sugar in most pieces of fruit. I think it depends on what is in the rest of the meal and in the volume of the food item. Do most people drink 8 oz. of orange juice at a time, anyway? We always had a little juice glass when I was growing up. I think most people drink more th...

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We're so good with guilt! No wonder we have become, in the midst of our astounding abundance, the world's most anxious eaters. A few years ago, Paul Rozin, a University of Pennsylvania psychologist, and Claude Fischler, a French sociologist, began collaborating on a series of cross-cultural surveys ...

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I think there could be a whole cartoon strip called "You know you eat too much everyday when...." and this one would be "You know you eat too much everyday when you have to cut calories at Thanksgiving dinner" or "You know you eat too much everyday when you resort to blaming one-day holidays for th...

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I have always been annoyed at the articles that crop up every holiday in magazines and newspapers that have all of these "slimmed down" or "light" versions of holiday favorite foods. Even before No S, it drove me nuts because doing this encourages the notion that to be slim, people have to watch th...

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I don't know why I looked at that -- I knew it was going to make me angry. That made me laugh out loud. I can't tell you how many times a day I say the same thing. I think I need to spend less time online. :lol: . Unfortunately, it's not only online. You've got to stay away from all media to avoid ...

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... trying to reach 30 Cooper "Aerobic" points per week. Wow! Talk about a blast from the past! I read Dr. Cooper's "Aerobics" back in the mid-seventies. I haven't heard the term "aerobic points" in years and years. Thanks for the virtual time travel, lol. For some good, cheap recipes, you might wa...

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I've read that, too.

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I don't know why I looked at that -- I knew it was going to make me angry. I've said it before and I'll say it again: I'm sick of "healthy" being the first adjective applied to food. Sick of it, I say!

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I've read about that before -- maybe 10 years ago. I wasn't aware of any cases as extreme as that young woman, though.

Nothing to excess.

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I'm making this for dinner tonight -- it's a cheese strata. But I'm not serving it with buttered green beans. It will be asparagus tonight -- and just maybe there will be a little butter involved!

This isn't exactly the recipe I'm using, but it's close. I just cut it down to serve 2 people.

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We smaller ladies do have to be a little more careful about what we eat. I'm not much of a breakfast eater, but when I do it's fairly small. Lunch is rather small, too. Dinner is my main meal of the day.

What are you eating at your meals?

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I just pulled out an old recipe to make for dinner tonight. I don't know how long I've had this recipe, but probably since the 1970s sometime. It's suggested that the dish be served with buttered french-style green beans and a pear salad. It was the buttered green beans that caught my attention. I c...

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Number 9 on the first list disturbs me: Tropicana orange juice, 25 g of sugar in 8 oz. OK, that's a surprising amount of sugar, but I'm still not going to consider orange juice to be a dessert! It makes me think that their boundary of 15 g, in addition to being arbitrary, may be somewhat too low. M...

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I made homemade brown rice once and it was nasty. I'm not sure what I did wrong. I think brown rice is nasty, but I'm not at all fond of whole grains except in bread. I can take them in small amounts in mixed dishes I will admit to using Velveeta as one of the cheeses when I make macaroni and cheese.

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Do people really buy and eat Marie Calendar's pies for Thanksgiving? And eat stuffing from a box on this great holiday?? Shocking!!! Homemade pumpkin pie is so much fun to make :) And my mom's homemade stuffing is to die for..! Mmmmmm! Yes, indeed they do. It's called the "Nothing Homemade Thanksgi...

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I agree with Noel. It's not going to get better. My other thought is that when you're done using hotmail, log out instead of just closing the window.

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I found these recently:

http://losingweightafter45isabitch.blog ... -blog.html

http://shapelyweightfrom1958.blogspot.com/

http://americanwomendidntgetfat.blogspot.com/

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I agree with Wosnes.. sometimes the weekends are not the days we need for S days, especially those of us who are retired. We, in fact, try to not go anywhere or do much special on weekends because that is when everyone else is out and about. If we do go to a festival or event that requires us to be...

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clarinetgal wrote:That was one of my problems, too. Plus, I do occasionally have events during the week, and I want to feel free to have a treat without feeling guilty. I think the key for me is making sure I use moderation when I have my treat.

Moderation OR nothing in excess.

wosnes

For what it's worth, I've found sticking to routine during tough times to be a big comfort. I think part of the reason that people (individuals and societies) manage to stay slim is because the way they eat is so much a part of their routine, so much a habit, that doing otherwise doesn't even cross...

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I am a very busy wife and mom of four, ages 6 and under. We homeschool, my husband and I run our at-home business, we're involved in church, I volunteer at the library 1-2 times a week and I also process insurance claims from home 5-7 hours every week day. You just made me tired! Welcome aboard. I ...

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I've never purchased bottled water regularly. I do buy it sometimes when I'm away from home and want something to drink and I don't want pop/cola/soda.

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I've written here previously that I'm not good at following rules determined by other people that affect only my behavior. I've got to make it work for me instead of me working for it. Waiting until Saturday or Sunday to be able to indulge always seemed too restrictive to me -- probably in part beca...

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Jamie was on Oprah today. Here's a link and if you click on "sign the petition" it will take you to his website and you can support his cause.

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Thanks for all the helpful feedback everyone!!! I am probably going to limit the mango slices. I was relieved RE tapas and wine with dinner, but the smoothie was the biggest shocker for me. I somehow thought it was perfectly ok since it was made of fruit and the book says drinks between meals are O...

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I think doing No-S throughout pregnancy makes great sense.

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Wandering S-events are my creation. I started doing this after I'd been on the program for about 3 years. I had the feeling that by taking 2 S days weekly plus the occasional special day I was actually eating more than if I only had sweets or snacks at "special" times. I'd eat more on weekends just ...

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While we make the decision to buy and consume snacks, Big Food and Fast Food have made it seem not only desirable, but normal.

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Does any one remeber that TV add that says there is no significant difference between HFCS and sugar? (the one with the two teen age boys) I guess that makes me realize you can say anything on TV, no scientific evidence required even for health claims. The producers will push HFCS as long as they c...

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In her book What To Eat , Marion Nestle, professor of nutrition at NYU and blogger at Food Politics suggests that any food that contains more than 15 grams of sugar per serving is closer to dessert than anything else. Check out this and this . They are including sugar from all sources, including nat...

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oliviamanda- You are so right! I posted on the 3 Fat Chicks Boards that I was going to try the No S diet and explained the rules. You would not believe the negative responses I got. There were all sorts of dire predictions about how I was going to binge on S days because I couldn't possibly be trus...

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Hahah, Wosnes, I admire your strength--especially since you take wandering S-events. Incidentally, that was something I tried for a while. I was good at it in the beginning and then seemed to degrade slightly. Once that happened it felt hard to get back on track and I decided to get back with vanil...

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Love her--she's talented, seems interesting and intelligent, and is adorable. And this sort of amazes me: They make amazing gluten-free chocolate-chip cookies. I like to keep things like that in my freezer, just so I know itâ€™s there, but I almost never touch it. Itâ€™s weird. The knowledge that i...

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I'm going to admit that I'm not sure about the mango. I've never had a dried mango and don't know how much sugar is added. I can think of plenty of things where sugar would be the second ingredient and not be considered a sweet. Tapas -- I'd also agree about virtual plating (though it's something I ...

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Well, Easter's in April and this is March. Seriously, I would have taken an S day -- or at least an S-event for the dinner last night. But then, I don't entertain much and neither do my family/friends. Not only that, dessert is rarely offered except for very special occasions.

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janieb -- That sounds like a day on a typical diet. Why didn't you just take an S day and enjoy yourself -- and the Tiramisu?

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Okay, I'll forget the popsicles for now. Can't promise anything once summer hits though, heat is really bad for me and popsicles usually make it bearable. I hear you about the heat. Here in Austin we regularly hit 100 degrees or higher, and "summer" lasts from April to October (sometimes even longe...

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Another reason I think people don't cook is that we've gotten away from simple meals. Dinner doesn't have to be a gourmet feast.

Speaking of cooking...I made a pot of chicken stock this morning. It's about finished -- and IT SMELLS SO GOOD!!

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I've worked full time and cooked mostly from scratch and don't think it's that difficult. I did buy bread -- but I've been able to find a couple of sources where the ingredients are recognizable. When working full time it takes some thinking, planning and doing some things in advance, but it's not t...

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As I've mentioned before I'm a big fan of The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. The whole book is a little too new-agey woo-woo for me, but I like the agreements. His new book is The Fifth Agreement . I've not read the book yet, but here's the agreement: Be skeptical, but learn to listen. Don't be...

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I hadn't even thought about that, but it's a really good point. Knowing Jamie Oliver, I'll assume he's going to encourage them to make the foods they like with real, whole ingredients. Hopefully it doesn't end up like the (admittedly minimal) amount of nutrition talk on shows like the Biggest Loser...

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It's amazing how we've dumbed down food.

Jamie Oliver will be on Oprah Friday.

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From what I understand, there's corn syrup and then there's HFCS. What we can buy in the grocery store isn't the same as HFCS. I think it's extremely difficult to completely avoid HFCS.

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I'm going to watch it, too. I think this is the way he went about it in England, too, except it was called Jamie's Ministry of Food . I haven't seen an episode yet, but my biggest concern is what he's going to teach them to eat. I've seen the cookbook and didn't buy it because there was very little ...

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Breakfast: 7:30 (if I eat it -- I'm not much of a breakfast eater) Lunch: 12:00-12:30 Dinner: 6:00 I had to chuckle at your comment about eating breakfast at 6:30 because you have an "early" job. When I was working I had to be at work somewhere between 4:30-6:00 AM, usually 5:30. At the last place I...

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I think that people want to think that in order to lose weight you HAVE to do something very restrictive and deprive yourself of the good stuff.

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Oh! I forgot one -- Clara's Kitchen . I really do like that cookbook. On a semi-related note... Top-selling cookbooks of 2008 1 Barefoot Contessa Back to Basics by Ina Garten (640,000 copies) 2 Martha Stewart's Cooking School (317,992) 3 Giada's Kitchen by Giada De Laurentiis (301,663) 4 The Taste o...

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In the post about Other Good Diet Books That Work With The No S Diet, Reinhard wrote the following: I think I'm going to stick with this . :-) Although I'm rather fond of this , too. Reinhard So now that we know his favorite cookbooks, I wonder what everyone else's are. Mine are: 1. The Barefoot Con...

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I've thought about buying a potato cutter, too! Some friends own a cafe and they have a wall mounted one for making pomme frites -- which they serve with their homemade spicy ketchup or rosemary-garlic aioli. Here's the French fry recipe I found. I'm going to try it sometime soon. It doesn't make to...

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This isn't a diet book, but there are diet books that have recommended it as a guideline. http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2009/oct/28/plating-method-good-way-lose-weight/ It's probably too limited for some No S-ers to start with, but it's my guideline for lunch and dinner, with a piece of fruit tucked...

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Funny you should mention eclairs -- they're definitely one of my favorite treats and fall right in with other comfort foods from my childhood. They were actually my second choice - the bakery was out of Napoleons this morning. But they were a pretty awesome second choice. :) I don't think I've ever...

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This is appropriate for this discussion: How Oranges Cost More than Coke

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Funny you should mention eclairs -- they're definitely one of my favorite treats and fall right in with other comfort foods from my childhood. I'm going to have to find a bakery that really makes them from scratch. I did find a recipe from Gale Gand on the Food Network. They don't seem to be too dif...

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I can justify one snack daily -- late in the afternoon if dinner is going to be late, say, after 7 or so (assuming lunch was around noon). That's it. RJLupin -- I saw a new way of cooking French fries yesterday and thought of you! Time consuming, but possibly not quite so messy and supposedly the fr...

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I think it depends on where you live as well. I don't only mean metropolitan areas as compared to smaller towns, but also what state or area/region of the country. The gal who did the $25/wk thing lives in Brooklyn, NY (I think -- I know it's one of the boroughs of NYC). Nearly all of the things she...

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It's been over 25 years since mine were little ones, but I do remember what I did. I was up before them in the morning and if I was going to eat (I'm not much of a breakfast eater), I ate before I fed them. At lunch and dinner, they were fed before I ate. At lunch, they were fed and down for a nap b...

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Another good article from Zen Habits . While I like his ideas, Leo's actual meal plan doesn't appeal to me at all. I do follow a meal plan that I stumbled onto about 10 years ago. It's simple and makes sense to me and I've found a number of variations of it. Plus, I have default plans in case I can'...

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My favorite parenting quote -- which goes along with what Noel said:

Your children more attention pay to what you do than what you say. Zig Ziglar

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About the speech she made to the Grocery Manufacturer's Association.

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I also learned to use a timer with FlyLady. I'm still fluttering though. It really is amazing how much one can get done in 15 minutes! I try to combine FlyLady with No S. I set my timer for 15 minutes and trot to each room. I call it home ranging. I get a lot of excersize this way. I hate excersize...

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That was actually sort of the turning point in my switching to No S from years of lowcarbing on and off (more off than on , of course!). I was agonizing over not being able to have a glass of OJ at breakfast (and for me that means one of those little 4 oz. juice glasses) and a sugar cube in my tea....

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I think those are great!

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I think the only reason to limit any food is because it's not available, not affordable, you don't like it or are allergic to it. I've mentioned this before, but it was a shock to my system when I realized that those healthy Greeks didn't eat low-fat or no-fat yogurt or cheese. It was also a surpris...

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In the movie Food, Inc. there's a family who are eating mostly fast food because they supposedly can't afford food, especially fresh produce. A lot of viewers have taken issue with this, stating that it could be afforded if they shopped at farmer's markets, etc. A blogger recently completed a challe...

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The Guatemalan diet reminds me of what I've read in The Blue Zones about the Nicoyans in the mountains of Costa Rica and about the Tarahumara Indians of the Copper Canyon in Mexico in The Jungle Effect . Very simple and not a lot of variety. The interesting thing about the Tarahumara is that they we...

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I think a good part of what keeps the French, Italians, Japanese and others from overeating is habit. They just have centuries of practicing it on us! k Actually, we used to have those habits. I'd love to know how American corporations and advertising got us to change those habits in a few decades. ...

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Isn't it great? I love how No S is a diet, but it doesn't feel like a diet. :D I think No-S is a diet only in terms of how you eat. No-S isn't a diet in terms of something you go on to lose weight and off or switch to maintenance once you've lost the weight. Ha! It could also be called No-F: No For...

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I found two interesting blogs today: Shapely Weight from 1958 and American Women Didn't Get Fat.

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That was lunch. According to Reinhard, "snacks" aren't what you eat -- it's when you eat them. Between meals.

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Though I very well may be cured, the uncertainty is so hard to deal with. Years ago I realized two very important things: 1. When we get up in the morning, there are no guarantees that we'll be going to bed at night. 2. The only thing you can be sure of is that you can't be sure of anything. Again....

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I drink lots of diet soda, and have never had a problem with the aspartame sweetened ones. Aspartame has been studied for so many years, I doubt we'll find out anything horrible about it (thought it would probably be best to avoid it "just in case.") Margarine and the vegetable oils were studied fo...

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Good for you! Congratulations.

I don't think this should feel like a "diet", except by the definition of being the way you eat. It's not only what you eat, but how -- the habits associated with eating.

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I feel the same way about artificial sweeteners that I feel about manufactured fats: sooner or later it will be determined that they're more harmful to our health than beneficial. Personally, I'd rather drink syrup than chemicals, though I'm not a fan of HFCS, either. I've read that Coke, I think, ...

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I'm getting too picky about food to indulge in free food often.

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I feel the same way about artificial sweeteners that I feel about manufactured fats: sooner or later it will be determined that they're more harmful to our health than beneficial. Personally, I'd rather drink syrup than chemicals, though I'm not a fan of HFCS, either. I've read that Coke, I think, w...

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Looking great!

For the first 25+ years I knew him, my ex-hubby had facial hair. I'm not sure why he got rid of it, but he did. It's still a shock for me to see him sans facial hair. Our girls were adults when he got rid of it and they're still shocked by the absence as well.

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I make latte like the Italians -- at home, no foam. Oh, I don't use espresso, just strong coffee. For me, it's more coffee than milk and a little sugar.

I don't understand this....I drink coffee black. Can't stand sugar in it. Add milk/cream to it, and I've got to have some sugar in it.

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I have to admit that when I hear low-carb I think high protein and high fat. Or, at the very last, more animal protein and fat. If one believes that saturated fat is responsible for elevated cholesterol, then someone following a low-carb diet should have high cholesterol. Among those healthy populat...

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