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Lol! It means I get to have a serving of OJ in the morning and a couple extra snacks! Yaay! I haven't changed too much of how I eat (I never did strict No-S as I allowed a snack or two), just eating a slight bit more... I don't REALLY have to gain until after 12 weeks. If I'm remembering correctly,...

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Welcome Duckling! I've done a variation of Bittman's "vegan until six" for more years than Bittman has. I aim not to eat meat/fish/poultry until dinner, but don't get upset if dairy or eggs creep in. It's much easier to do! Generally, though, with the exception of butter on my (whole grain) toast in...

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Interesting on video: http://thirtyaweek.wordpress.com/2010/0 ... er-on-ted/

The only thing I disagree with is that the problem with processed food started 30 years ago. I think it was more 50-60 years ago.

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KCCC wrote:I play it by ear when I have combination dishes.

For combination dishes, I allow about a cup or one-third of the plate with the rest (usually) being vegetables.

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I'm not sure calorie counting is necessary, but I think you've got to look at what you're eating. I find that just concentrating on eating more of the less calorie dense foods (vegetables and fruits) and less of the more calorie dense foods (everything else!) does the trick for me. It's not those oc...

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That reminds me of Dr. Shapiro's Picture Perfect Weigh Loss. Take a look at the demonstrations and publications.

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In Dr. Dean Ornish's book about reversing heart disease, he mentions that he contacted Julia Child about contributing recipes to his book. She refused, saying "This is not compatible with my philosophy of food." She was the only one he contacted who refused. Go Julia! That's hilarious. Was he compl...

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I also saw an article reporting a study on what cues Americans used to stop eating vs. French participants. The French were more likely to stop because they felt full. (Duh?) Americans used external cues, such as eating during a TV program and stopping only when it was over. It's long been known th...

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Thanks for bumping this up. When people talk about not eating dairy or not eating late at night, I always think, but the French eat more dairy than the people of any of the Mediterranean countries, and they eat late, etc. I'm pretty sure Julia was influenced by their habits then, as well as by her ...

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I agree with what KCCC said. I'm also going to invoke Michael Pollan's Food Rule #39: Eat all the junk food you want as long as you cook it yourself. . Or, at least buy quality stuff. I found this on a blog this morning: "I've cut out snacking between meals and I also don't eat candy of any kind any...

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In Dr. Dean Ornish's book about reversing heart disease, he mentions that he contacted Julia Child about contributing recipes to his book. She refused, saying "This is not compatible with my philosophy of food." She was the only one he contacted who refused. Go Julia!

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I found that over time S days changed for me. While I wasn't binging, I was eating more than I wanted on Saturday and Sunday just because it was Saturday or Sunday. I've changed my approach to S-days since and it's working well for me.

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Other people, myself included, have started the weekend on Friday evening and ended it earlier on Sunday. I found that it was rare for me to have the occasion to snack, have seconds or sweets after the midday meal on Sunday.

wosnes

You're not eating much at your meals! I'm a not extremely active older, smaller woman and I eat about the same amount at breakfast (when I eat it) and lunch as you. My dinners are smaller, though. Before adding a fourth meal, consider eating more at your meals. I'd ditch the fiber bars, they're not ...

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Food and vitamins and herbs may help with various things, but it usually takes weeks or months to notice an improvement -- it's not quick as with medication.

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Hi elisaelli -- and welcome. Sounds to me like you're at Purdue -- my alma mater! I wouldn't buy new plates. I think bowls are the biggest problem, but what I'd do is measure how much cereal a serving is in your bowl -- then eyeball it after that. A serving is usually about a cup. I also have 10" pl...

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Even if he just mentions it in further interviews -- that could be HUGE! Hmmm...it's also possible that he's reading all this.

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Michael Pollan just sent me an email! He wrote that he'd taken the S rules as a "meme at large" floating around the net and hadn't realized that they were a consciously devised, published system. He would have happily credited me if he had -- and is going to look into doing so in the next printing....

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Thanks so much Oliviamanda, wosnes, clarinetgal, oolala53 and KCCC for your responses and ideas - and also for the link to the other thread KCCC. Having read everything I am feeling a bit more relaxed about it. My plan is to stick to the No S rules but allow 2 or 3 S "events" each week but only if ...

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I try to stick to just one cup of coffee (because I haven't been able to wean myself completely off sugar in my coffee yet, although I have greatly reduced it). Remember, it's not no sugar -- it's no sweets. I don't know how much sugar you're using in your coffee, but a teaspoon or so of sugar in y...

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Even if the food where you're going is "unusual and out of this world," most often it can be consumed at meal times -- it doesn't have to be snacks. I've often mentioned that the first year I did this I didn't realize there was a one plate rule. I ate one serving of whatever was being served. As lon...

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One of the things that has struck me from Pollan's writing is the similarity between the principles of No-S and the wisdom of "our mothers and grandmothers and more distant ancestors, which is another way of saying, on tradition and culture." That wisdom varied a little from place to place, even hom...

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Thanks, Folks! I do have a pedometer and am increasing my steps by 500 each week. I am excersizing as much as I can. Before No S, I sat in the sofa all day long stuffing my face. DH did the shopping and errands in town. Since joining No S, I've taken these chores over just to get some excersize. I ...

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gratefuldeb67 wrote:Wow, I just read the article.. it almost sounds like she's giving Michael Pollan credit for NoS...

If she's only familiar with the idea through Food Rules, she'd give him credit because Pollan didn't give a source. Even if she googled it, she wouldn't come up with No-S.

wosnes

I think most people relax a little when away from home for extended periods of time, especially if it's a vacation. But that doesn't mean going crazy, either.

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It's possible to have all green days and not lose or gain weight -- even eating only 2 meals daily. You have to look at exactly what you're eating. When I eat two more substantial meals (even though one is on a smaller plate), I gain, because I'm not eating fewer calories. My brunch tends to be much...

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I don't have personal experience with it or even know much about it, but my neighbor has a session weekly. She's found it to be very helpful with some emotional issues. I know that she's stopped randomly eating.

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Check out the very last paragraph of Jane Brody's column ! Time to contact Jane Brody!! You've got the attention of two people with influence now. Perhaps Iâ€™ll try the so-called S policy Mr. Pollan says some people follow: â€œNo snacks, no seconds, no sweets â€” except on days that begin with the...

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Check out the very last paragraph of Jane Brody's column! Time to contact Jane Brody!! You've got the attention of two people with influence now.

wosnes

For the first year or so I did this, I didn't realize that there was a one plate rule. I just ate one serving of whatever was being served. Once I realized the rule existed, I didn't see a reason to change. So, if the "pud" is important to you, I'd say go ahead and include it. While I do something c...

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Scroll down for a video about The Paradox of Choice and a link to the book. I think there's a lot of truth to it and it applies to many areas of life.

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Moderation on S days.

wosnes

Welcome! In terms of what you eat, I think it's most important to eat real food -- exactly what is up to you. I don't think any one way of eating is healthier than another, as long as it's mostly real food. There was a time when I thought I'd never say this, but I avoid any way of eating that elimin...

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They've got lots of sugar... Definitely a sweet :) The scones sold by Starbucks may have more sugar, but typically scones don't have a lot of sugar, at least as compared to other sweet baked goods. I just checked several recipes, including one for maple oat scones from Ina Garten (not known for bei...

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Does anyone have an opinion on these Nature Valley, oats n honey bars (green foil packaging)? I can fit them on my lunch plate....but at 13gms sugar, are they considered sweets? Thanks, Geoff That would be a little over a tablespoon of sugar in each granola bar, so it's iffy. But in terms of sugar ...

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If you didn't see the show, here are the notes a blogger took.

If you haven't seen Food, Inc., I highly recommend it.

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The first ingredient in all of the varieties is brown rice syrup and most have honey, agave, sugar and/or high fructose corn syrup as ingredients as well. They are candy bars. They also contain hydrogenated and fractionated oils. They have unpronounceable ingredients. Hover cursor over the plus sign...

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This goes along with this thread. He has a link to healthier substitutes for "cream of something" soup.

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During the opening minute of the show yesterday, Oprah (I think), said something about "thinking about the food we eat." My daughter was passing through the room, heard that and said, "I don't what to THINK about food; I just want to eat." And I think that's part of the problem. Our food supply is s...

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RedBaron wrote:Could you perhaps use Organic cream of something? If every ingredient in a complex substance is "real food", then the substance itself should be, right?

Organic doesn't necessarily mean real food.

wosnes

I've never heard of these but my general opinion of the various bars is that they're candy bars masquerading as health food.

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I've recently purchased mostly grass fed beef (with some corn supplements) and I've noticed something. Twice now, I've made roasts in the crockpot and when I go to dish out leftover the next day there is no layer of fat on the broth. The ground beef is also much less fatty. And the flavor is good. ...

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His big chance to explicitly acknowledge the source of his quote for rule #60 :-) Reinhard Well, it doesn't appear that Michael mentioned rule #60. HOWEVER -- you can go to oprah.com and comment on the show and mention it. Or, even better, a bunch of us can. You wouldn't be the only author to comme...

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Mollie Katzen, too.

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It took me a long time to get the roux based sauce/gravy making thing to work. I don't want to say "perfected" because every now and then it's lumpy as the dickens. But the secret is to stir, stir, stir. It goes through a stage of looking like you've really messed it up, but just keep stirring. And ...

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Getting past the canned cream of something soups was a major hurdle when i started cooking more healthfully. It changed my cooking radically. Now I either ignore recipes that call for the canned soups or try to use a substitute from the start. I've noticed a benefit beyond the fact that I'm using "r...

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So, set your DVR's or plan to watch!

http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Food-101- ... ael-Pollan

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I found this recently: http://www.slashfood.com/2010/01/19/americas-fattest-city-makes-the-naked-chef-weep/ I guess it's an example of you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. Supposedly his idea is to get people cooking at home -- not unlike both Michael Pollan and Mark Bittman. B...

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Nice, but not something I'd buy.

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When I was taking S days routinely on weekends, I allowed myself an extra S event weekly, if needed, instead of two monthly. Allowing it didn't necessarily mean I used it. But if something came up, I was okay at least once a week.

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I've been a heavy smoker, now down to about 1/2 pack a day. I'd be absolutely thrilled to get to 3 a day! I truly enjoy one in the morning with coffee and one after dinner.

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Speaking of Pollan, if a person was going to read only one of his books, which would you recommend? In terms of food, In Defense of Food (he's written a number of other books as well). I think there's more useful information in it. The Omnivore's Dilemma is also very good, though I've read that The...

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Someone here has a set of criteria to determine things like this, but it's too complicated for me. Here's my own criteria: 1. Is this something or someone I would change my plans to do/be with? 2. Does this happen routinely? My criteria for "routinely" is not more often and hopefully less often than...

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I found this recipe for muffins a couple of weeks ago. As muffins go, they're rather low in sugar and fat content. They aren't very sweet and I think make a good breakfast muffin. Cinnamon Sugar Mini Muffins (that taste like cupcakes!) Ingredients: Muffins: 3/4 cup sugar 1 egg 1 1/2 cups flour 2 tsp...

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I do a lot of reading while waiting to check out at the grocery, Target, Meijer, etc.

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~reneew wrote:Ha! My kids often remind me with "Mom, it's not Suesday".

Hm...another S day?

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You'll have to let us know if you hear from him and what he has to say. Your readers are some of his biggest fans!

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My natural waist, over belly button, and hip measurements are all down half an inch, so hopefully the weight gain is muscle from my moderate exercise regime. Has anyone else experienced weight gain when starting the diet? Just to chime in: I agree with those urging you to keep paying attention to t...

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There's an email address in here so you could contact him.

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I don't know that I think about it so much, but I have plenty of days (not only S days) when I'm just not hungry. I also have days when I know I'm eating enough and I'm still starving.

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Dandelion wrote:I do (bet that didn't surprise you at all ) We've been getting it for about 6 or 7 years now.

Nope, doesn't surprise me at all! I've heard/read about it previously, but yesterday was the first time I saw it.

wosnes

Anyone use raw milk? I just saw (and bought) some at the winter market.

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It's interesting! I didn't eat meat all that often until I started doing No S last summer. Ever since I started eating more meat, I've been a lot less hungry between meals. Even funnier, when I have a breakfast with eggs/meat, I'll be hungry well before lunch. When I eat my small breakfast or none ...

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From Bill Maher:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdHg6_pD ... re=related

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For some reason, soup doesn't fill me up at all -- at least not for very long. In order to be satisfied with soup, I have to make sure there's protein in it (like chicken) and supplement with a salad and/or some bread with butter. Funny how different we all are. Soup is my lunch nearly every day. I...

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Soup is good. Experiments have found that it takes the stomach longer to digest ingredients which have been made into a blended soup, than it does to digest the same ingredients unblended. A thick soup can be surprisingly filling for the amount of calories. From what I've read, the soup doesn't eve...

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lelovelady wrote:It's somehow ingrained in us that when you have guests, you offer refreshments, which in our culture are drinks and food.

From what I've read, it's very common in other parts of the world, too. It's certainly not uniquely American and it's not new.

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And speaking of permasnacking.

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You will get used to not eating when others eat. Skinny people do it all the time and they rarely give a second thought to making any excuses. I think your plan sounds good. You could also say you were starved at lunchtime and ate plenty then. In recent times, I've sometimes said something like, "I...

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I would say don't worry about this. There are a number of reasons this could be happening, including that you might be eating significantly more at meals to make up for not snacking.

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Breakfast: old-fashioned oatmeal with a handful of raisins; a banana sometimes, too. Lunch and dinner: a full plate with an animal protein, lots of veggies, some starchy thing, like potatoes, bread, noodles, etc. Between meals, I like a cup of de-caf coffee with a little milk in it. Cantab : could ...

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Well, for me it's bread. Not oatmeal or rice or pasta. Bread. My breakfast and lunch are usually light. I will still be hungry if I don't have bread. Nothing else does it for me.

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I'm not generally a breakfast eater, but I do eat it on occasion. Something I've noticed is that the smaller my breakfast is, the more moderate my eating the rest of the day. The larger the breakfast, the more I want to eat throughout the day. I'm much more likely to have the desire to snack, even t...

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There are three types of grapefruit - red, pink and white. Where I shop, it's always labelled so that you know which you're getting - some people find the white ones too sour. I like all three types but I do like to know which I'm buying because I'm not always in the mood for the really sour white ...

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clarinetgal wrote:That was a good, short read, and it definitely makes sense.

I think I put it here because she hadn't followed any prescribed diet.

wosnes

Unless you have a specific reason for doing it -- macaroni and cheese does not have to be an S day food. It's a regular food.

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This isn't about diet, but it's a good, short read.

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It sounds like you're going through a typical phase. My two cents is that you should stick to vanilla No-S: let N days be N days and S days be S days. If you are not happy with the specific choices you make on your S days, then think about it and make some changes. Don't dwell on guilt; try to lear...

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S-days, with the possible exception of just a few times yearly, were never meant to be days to go wild. They were meant to be a time to relax a little. After some time on No-S I decided to forego regular S days on the weekends. I found I was eating things I didn't particularly want to eat just becau...

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I found this web site to help you find local foods in your state (or from surrounding states). If you can still find it, the January issue of Martha Stewart Living had a great article about vegetables and fruits, eating organic (or not), eating locally. As evidenced by the web site above, unless you...

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That ricotta one especially sounds heavenly ... do you think this is something you could mix up ahead of time, or should it be mixed fresh each serving? Laura L I mix the cocoa and sugar ahead of time and sprinkle it on the ricotta (or yogurt) when I'm ready to eat -- takes all of a second. Maybe.

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I think the bigger question is why do you need them? If you're on no-S, their nutrition facts don't matter. If it's an S day you're golden ... if it's an N day, ice cream is definitely a sweet and a no-no. Unless it's an issue with allergies or food intolerances, my motto is if I need the nutrition...

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I also think it's nuts that those trainers actually are glad when contestants lose that much weight weekly. Can they really believe a person burned 10 x 3,500 calories in a week to lose 10 pounds? When diet and exercise becomes your full time job, I don't think it would be difficult at all. Conside...

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I agree with mrsj. Here's a newsflash: most of the world's population follows a diet that is based mostly on carbs. The Peruvian diet is based on potatoes; central American Indians live mostly on maize and beans; the Asian diet is centered around white rice; the French eat lots of potatoes and bread...

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For many, many years I had cocoa every evening at bedtime. Sometimes I put some Kahlua or Amaretto in it. YUM! I don't recall why I stopped drinking it, but I certainly don't consider it an S day food. The other day one of the food bloggers posted a recipe for cinnamon toast. The rationale for posti...

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I'm a big fan of the Mediterranean diet -- partly because I like the food of the region and partly because it's a way of eating that makes sense to me. One of the complaints I've read about it is that many of the authors who promote this use foods that are difficult or impossible for some folks to f...

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Don't overthink this.

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This looks like an interesting book. She also wrote The Carnivore's Dilemma in The New York Times.

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I can't watch that show... it makes me feel like if I'm not putting in the amount of effort they are I don't deserve to lose weight. I couldn't disagree more. I feel like they're doing something totally unrealistic and (even with medical advice) potentially dangerous. Especially now -- the last two...

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I think some of them end up feeling good about themselves, and it would be pretty boring to watch if they were all on no s! But, the amount of exercise seems a little unsustainable. I wish them all the best, but won't watch the show myself. It's too easy to get sucked in! I think the diet is unsust...

wosnes

Just look at a sandwich as the finished product -- not individual parts.

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I'd do one of two things: fix and eat dinner at a consistent time yourself and warm up the meal for him and sit with him while he eats OR have some kind of snack on the evenings he's late. Most here would suggest a glass of milk, but that's something I'd never do (can't stand milk and don't believe ...

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I'd start now and if you need smaller, more frequent meals -- so be it. But have a plan of what they can be and when you eat them -- not just random snacking of whatever, whenever.

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... your plate hits the top dishwasher rack. I used some cool dishes this Christmas and the plates did hit the top rack!!! I had to wash them by hand. Hmmm. I may need to get rid of them. Or, maybe I'll keep the salad plates that are 9" and only 2 of the "dinner" plates to use as platters!!! Good i...

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I like grapefruit. During the winter when I do have breakfast, grapefruit is usually part of the meal. I'm especially fond of the ruby red grapefruit. But I've noticed something a little strange this year. Most of the ruby red grapefruit I've purchased hasn't been red . Most has been pink, but one b...

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Sounds like waaay too much work to me!

I guess what I'd do if I'm eating 3 plates and not losing: put less on the plate or look at exactly what is on the plate to see if it's too high in calories and then what could I substitute so I'm still getting enough and not getting hungry between meals.

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I like this one , too. Here's the book . What she says reminds me of what Pam Anderson (the cookbook author) has said: â€œDiets are like trying to sell everyone the same style and size shoe. If this way of eating is forced and not really you, youâ€™ll revert to your old patterns every time. Better t...

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I don't weigh at all. I'm measuring progress against my clothing - it was a bit tight when I started No S (two months ago), now it's less tight. I'm aiming for it to be loose. In terms of weight management, I'm with Sheepish. I'm supposed to weigh daily because of a health issue (congestive heart f...

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I use a roux or a beurre maniÃ© to thicken my sauces. For a few recipes, though, the taste of the canned cream of something soup is part of what makes the dish taste "right." Side story: my daughter had a colonoscopy last week and afterwards she wanted grilled cheese and tomato soup -- canned cream ...

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I don't have diabetes, but I've worked with diabetics (I'm a nurse) and I think your relative might be able to do No-S with some modifications. I assume she's on an oral hypoglycemic agent and she will have to snack to prevent incidences of low blood sugar -- but there's an allowance for medical nee...

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