Everyday Systems

kccc

I love breakfast. On a work day, I have two cups of coffee (really cafe au lait, about 1 cup milk between them) as I drive to work, starting about 6:15. Then I exercise, then I eat my oatmeal/nuts/fruit about 8:30. On an at-home day, I have my coffee, then eat breakfast around 7:30. It's usually a b...

kccc

I live in the deep South. We only get snow every few years - and everything closes because there's simply no infrastructure (plows, salt, etc.) to deal with snow. Northerners laugh until they realize that most of the roads end up covered in ice rather than snow, powerlines are a hazard because of br...

kccc

Hope the boot-adventure went well. No words of wisdom, but lots of encouragement. Don't worry if you feel awkward at first knitting. It just takes a bit of practice, and the neat thing is that you can really see your progress. Practice 15 minutes a day - even if you tear out all you do - and you'll ...

kccc

Dandelion, that's a sad Christmas story... but I can relate. That's one reason I think No-S works so well for me, because I can eat the foods I really want even on N-days (except for sweets) as long as I choose to make them part of a meal. That choice is so important! Monday Exercise - Pilates Br - ...

kccc

It confuses a lot of new people - we should probably put in in an FAQ somewhere.

Basically, it's just plain No-S without any modifications (mods). Following the rules pretty much exactly as written originally.

"Vanilla" comes from that generally being the "plain" flavor.

kccc

Been a while since I've posted. Won't try to re-cap meals since then, but will just say that I did okay while traveling, but was deeply disappointed that there was no opportunity for seafood (was in Savannah, and missed that). Had a bit of an over-the-top weekend, partly from rebound effect, I think...

kccc

Lol, Noel. Nothing like delaying gratification - either it's sweeter, or you realize you didn't want it after all!

Plus developing the ability to separate "feeling" from "doing." That's a hard skill, but useful. (If not carried to an extreme, like most things.)

kccc

Oh, mimi! What a bummer! I was so hoping that you were cast-free and starting therapy, with plans to go dancing not too far in the future. Hang in there, mimi. You have had an extraordinarily difficult time this year, between the dog bite and this set-back, and I am so impressed at the grace with wh...

kccc

Wednesday Br - Bagel w/PB L - PB&J and 1/4 cup nuts D - roast, mashed potatoes and gravy, broccoli, apple slices. Yum! I had a hard time with seconds last evening, b/c I love homemade mashed potatoes and gravy and hardly ever make it. I wanted more! But... I didn't have them. However, I fell down on...

kccc

I roast several yams or sweet potatoes in the oven, mash them up and add pie type spices (cinnamon etc). It tastes like dessert but has no sugar. I eat that as part of lunch or dinner for several meals :wink: I do that too, Cyn, though I microwave when I don't have time to roast. (Roasting IS bette...

kccc

Here's my take: - You can have an official failure that is still a personal triumph. - You can have an official success that still has room for improvement. I would classify eating one sweet but not going whole hog as the former, myself. But I'm a big believer in "early strictness to build habit." T...

kccc

~reneew, if you want to stay, I'm sure you'd be welcome.

There are a lot of people here who do mods. I've never seen anyone who acknowledges that when giving advice (that is, advice that falls outside standard No-S) have a problem here.

Whatever you decide, best wishes!

kccc

Welcome back! I remember you from the last time you were here.

Congrats on your new little one... and I'm SO sorry you're dealing with colic! I think that's much harder on the parents than the kids.

Hang in there!

kccc

Good luck, ~reneew. Hope whatever you try works for you.

Check in now and then when you have time.

kccc

Today... Exercise - 3.5 miles on the Elliptical (41 minutes) Br - oatmeal, nuts, figs. I shall miss these little figs when they're gone (still working on the ones from my parents' tree that they dried) L - Leftover chicken/chard/brown rice, apple, succotash. A new trick: if I put frozen veg into my ...

kccc

Forgot my actual check-in, lol!

Exercise - Pilates class.

Br - oatmeal, nuts, figs
L - PB&J on whole wheat, apple, canned peaches
D (planned) - Chicken and chard, brown rice, salad, strawberries

kccc

The cast is coming off!!! Wow!!

Have you had casts before? If not, don't be shocked by how tender/weak your newly un-casted limb feels. That's normal, and physical therapy will take care of it. It's still a major milestone in healing!

(Belated happy anniversary!)

kccc

As janie says... "Pick yourself up, dust off the crumbs, and start over." May not be exact - the "dust off the crumbs" is what stuck, because I (have such an amusing mental image from it.) You are SO right that learning to keep small failures SMALL is one of the keys to No-S - one of my own "major t...

kccc

Grammy G, what a hysterical story! Thanks for sharing. Starla, glad my posts are useful to you... I am analytical, and sometimes it's an asset and sometimes I over-think things. Buttercream, any way you make memories is good. We've never done the gingerbread house thing. Sunday was more erratic. Goo...

kccc

A short article on habit change. The comments are also good.

http://www.happiness-project.com/happin ... -days.html

kccc

Hi, LA_Loser, and welcome back! I'm glad to see you. :) Saturday was the type of day I describe as "happy chaos." I had a friend over to help me can apple pie filling, along with her two kids. Hubby had a group over to play in his workshop, and there were two more kids added from that bunch. Fortuna...

kccc

I also find Friday nights difficult. There's something about the end of a hard week that makes me feel "I deserve..." I tried the starting-on-Friday routine. It worked well for a time, then didn't so much because I didn't stop on time on Sunday so was having 2.5 S-days (too much for me). So, I stopp...

kccc

KCCC, thanks for your encouragement! I'm so happy with No S that I know I'll be eating this way for the rest of my life. Truly, however, I don't know how to do something nice for myself any more. I am so used to treating myself with food. With class and work, I don't have time for manicures or a tr...

kccc

Nice to see you and hear that everything's still going well!

kccc

Hi Connercream, I've been following your conversation with BA with interest. May I ask how much you gained on No-S, over how long? (Don't have to reply - I know that's a bit impertinent, but I'm very curious.) I have mixed feelings about counting calories - in fact, BA and I had an extended conversa...

kccc

Noel, I made your butternut squash soup tonight. I used chicken broth I froze earlier from another of your recipes, and leftover roasted squash. Added a tiny touch of cream at the end - probably a couple tablespoons. It was AWESOME. Or so I thought. I was sure there wouldn't be enough since I was ma...

kccc

But, to be clear, pizza is not an S day treat, at least in my book! I have, of course, had to cut down on the number of slices, since they have to fit on a plate and the box it comes in doesn't count! :wink: Oops! Didn't mean to imply that pizza was S-day only... it's not for me either. (Though, li...

kccc

invisiblprincess wrote: It eliminates emotional eating, binge eating, TV eating and boredom eating in one shot.

That sums it up, doesn't it? I love this diet because it quiets the "mental chatter" about food. I feel more satisfied with less food than I ever have before in my life.

Welcome to the boards!

kccc

Pizza provided at a working lunch. I'd brought my own lunch today, and much preferred what I had. So I asked the organizer if she thought it would be rude to eat what I'd brought... and she looked at me as if I had two heads and said "of course not!" People REALLY don't care what you eat, lol! Excep...

kccc

Yesterday I wrote that I was tired of dwelling on food and weight issues...and that's true. But as I think about it, I believe I'm most weary of beating myself up. ... LOL....it's funny....even as I write this I want to beat myself up for writing about beating myself up! No-S has helped me break th...

kccc

I am pleased to note that even though this adjustment has been a VERY rough couple of weeks, I only had green days on No S. As bad as I felt, I never thought seriously of eating something to make myself feel better. That is a major change in my habits. Now I just need to figure out some other ways ...

kccc

Dinner last night was egg-in-a-hole, canteloupe, and peaches. Very sunny. However, I feel a need to get back on track with menu planning. Br - oatmeal, nuts, figs (yum!) L - leftovers - barley, lamb meatballs, stir-fried veg, and an apple. (I found out this morning that I'm in a meeting where they'r...

kccc

Things from the 70s are relics? I have -- and use nearly daily -- kitchen things from the 30s and earlier that belonged to family members. So do I! My grandparents had just died when I went to college, and I inherited much of their kitchen gear. Some of it I've never needed (or wanted) to replace. ...

kccc

Packed a lovely lunch and breakfast... which I left at home. :( Making do... B: Bagel (whole) w/cream cheese, banana (best I could manage from Starbucks) L - Kashi Pilaf and Applesauce (These are "desk foods" that store well. Will need to replace them.) D - TBD. Will include canteloupe. Maybe Egg-in...

kccc

Just glad to hear from you.

Hope you heal fast! (And I'm sorry your friend hasn't been over to teach you to knit - and what a sad reason. Best wishes to her, too.)

kccc

Lol @ Kevin!

Additions to the list: Barley (I adore barley) and butternut squash and pumpkin.

kccc

Br - 1/2 Bagel w/PB, figs (the local ones) L - at my favorite restaurant/deli. A 10" plate, very well-filled. Mostly salad with all the goodies on top that I'd never have at the same time at home, a bit of chicken (2 wings and a "finger"), and some roasted potatoes and cauliflower. Yum! D - Working ...

kccc

Thanks for the info you PM'd me, Dandelion. I'm not sure what to think about that... I'd like to see some of the actual research on which the claims are based, I think. But it's good to know that there's a different take on the "accepted wisdom."

kccc

Mimi - haven't seen you lately, and miss you. Hope you're healing well, and finding other fun things to do!

kccc

It's finally looking/feeling like Fall where I am, and I'm thinking of "winter food"... all those warm dishes I associate with cold weather. Black bean soup, chicken pot pie, stews, chili that kind of thing. Not particularly Holiday food (though that will come), just the stuff that is a little too w...

kccc

Tuesday - back on track! Exercise - Elliptical. About 35 minutes. Br - oatmeal, nuts, figs (the ones from my parents, which had softened wonderfully as they soaked overnight) L - salad, apple, two biscuits with cheese (leftover stuff). D - TBD. The guys are on their own b/c I have PTO during suppert...

kccc

Update for Monday... did much better than expected. Some of our family plans changed, which helped a bit. Br - one egg, 2 sl bacon, biscuit L - Subway ham sandwich (6") with LOTS of veggies and baked chips (The buffet plans changed. This worked better for me, I'll admit) D - Tortellini with pesto, s...

kccc

The Mountain was lovely, and I could write a long list of why I'm glad I went. But adherence to No-S wouldn't be on that list... there were a lot of snacks brought in, and I did overeat - starting Friday night. Sigh. Today is Monday, and it's a hard Monday - we're still off work (child is out of sch...

kccc

ITA with treating it as a "habit," particularly in terms of blocking out time. If you want specific strategies that will maximize the time you spend, a book on study skills will help. I recall getting a lot of good working methods from "Managing your mind" when I was going back to grad school. There...

kccc

I've got a "holiday feeling," but don't want to take S-days. I'm off work today, and Monday too. My son is out of school, because of Fall Break. He and I are going to the Mountain (near Highlands NC). Hubby is going to work today, then doing house projects over the weekend. (We'll miss each other, b...

kccc

Hope it's a better day today.

Congrats on keeping green under stress!

kccc

I totally agree. Three items seems to be the magic number for me - less than that and I'm just not satisfied. (I often have more variety.) And I've noticed - particularly with pasta - that the portions of "the main thing" have shrunk considerably over time. I eat a LOT more salad than I used to, and...

kccc

Enjoy, Masher! Forgot to say it works best if the apples are sliced/chopped rather thin, and it's okay for them to brown a bit. Yesterday was at an all-day meeting, one where I didn't have my computer out (rarity of rarities). So, catching up... Wednesday Exercise - minimal, and I mean minimal. 15 m...

kccc

No real recipe... they're just cut up and sauteed in a little butter until soft, then sprinkled with cinnamon. I use a bit of honey too - as little as I can get away with (the family likes "sweet"). Maybe half a tablespoon (at most) to 2-3 apples? If using, add right at the end, let it melt in and c...

kccc

NoelFigart wrote:You know, I don't generally put cream in my squash soups, but it would be good. I like ginger and honey in winter squash based soups, and serve 'em in a bread bowl. Hearty and delicious.

Okay, I want your squash soup recipes...

kccc

Thanks, all! I actually have "whipping cream" that I bought to make chocolate mousse (another round - I made some before and really liked it). But now that it's getting colder, I'm looking at soup recipes. And I was wondering if that whipping cream and the heavy cream called for in some of the recip...

kccc

Monday I forgot to make the cinnamon apples... pity, we like them. We had corn and broccoli and leftover bread. Tuesday Exercise - Elliptical, 30 minutes, stretches. Tried running and clearly can't do that yet; the impact hurts. I think I need to see a doctor. Sometime. Br - oatmeal, nuts, raisins L...

kccc

I'm a former WW lifetime member who could NOT maintain on WW (takes more attention than I can manage as part of my regular life). No-S IS maintenance... for a lifetime. If you're overweight, it will lower your weight by reducing excess, but it won't take you to waif-like thinness if that's not a hea...

kccc

Are heavy whipping cream and heavy cream the same thing? I am embarrassed to be asking this, b/c I'm a fairly decent cook... but I have cooked "low fat" most of my life, so have no clue about cream in any form! But I know Wosnes or Noel or one of the other good cooks on this board will be able to an...

kccc

Dandelion wrote:LOL! I thought it might be familiar to someone else Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone

Oh, no. By no means! Even those of us who should know better by now.

kccc

Thanks for the visits and words of encouragement, everyone! My pie never did get made - it was just a busy weekend, and there wasn't a good "slot." I got a lot of other-things-that-needed-to-be-done finished, but the pie wasn't on the list. (I did some committee work, exercised both days - even thou...

kccc

Last night was not the best. (I started to write "a fiasco," then laughed at my over-the-top language and edited. It wasn't the best, but "a fiasco" is really hyperbole!) We went out to eat at Chik-Fil-A. I got a grilled chicken sandwich, water, and waffle fries... hey, it would fit on one plate. Bu...

kccc

Chiming in belatedly... have a GREAT day (and year!)

And hope work eases up soon!

kccc

Congrats!

(But don't be disappointed if all weeks aren't like this...)

kccc

Hi, I just started the No-S diet on Sept. 21st. Yesterday and today I have cheated by having chocolate. I know in the book he says it takes most people a few times to really stick with it and not cheat, but I need some encouragement so I'm hoping to hear from others who struggled in the beginning. ...

kccc

Yesterday's lunch was pizza. Oh well. I had two slices (medium), and let it go, even though I really missed my veg. If I'd been going back to my office after, I'd have had a container of apple sauce, but I had another meeting and by the time that was over, eating more would have felt like a snack. I...

kccc

Here! I still need to monitor BLTs (better, but not automatic yet). And I'd also like to start running again, health permitting. (I've derailed by flu and hip injury, which I think is getting better. This week, I did the elliptical for cardio, which lowers impact.) I report on my daily thread, and c...

kccc

You are so sweet and I appreciate your best wishes...we would be friends, you know, if we lived closer. You know it! :) Yesterday afternoon three of the 8th grade math teachers at my school brought a meal and stayed and visited for awhile. Two of these gals sponsor the knitting club at school, so I...

kccc

Wosnes, some metaphors aren't meant to be stretched too far.... ;) However, I do think it's interesting that we expect a certain amount of restraint for one type of appetite and not for another. If we treated sex the way our culture treats food, we'd be heading for the bedroom everytime we thought "...

kccc

I feel like it's pointless to try to have a half-dessert that's doing its best to look healthy: either have a treat, or don't. Don't try to have something that's really a treat, but is trying to wear ill-fitting health-food clothing. Great observation! And those half-desserts are so unsatisfying to...

kccc

October already! How can this be? Exercise - cardio on the elliptical, stretches. Hip is still wonky, but not as bad. I think sitting on my exercise ball at work helps a lot. Br - Oatmeal, raisins, nuts L - brought it, but then realized that I have a working lunch provided today. Goodness knows what...

kccc

Nice write-up! I've done something similar for years - learned it from Flylady. But I hadn't thought of trying to define a number of sessions/bursts per day. The five-minute break is nice too... the variant I've done is 3 sets for work, one for relaxation. Works out the same, I guess. I do make litt...

kccc

Sounds very scary and painful. But it also sounds as if there's no long-term damage, and you're assimilating the experience well and learning whatever you can from it.

Best wishes for a quick recovery.

kccc

The "BLTs" (or Snitches) have definitely gotten better. I had some reds, but they all clustered at the beginning of the month, when I'd "catch myself" after the fact. Now I catch myself in advance, but I can tell the impulse is still there. So, I still need to pay attention to them because I can tel...

kccc

I tried starting at 6PM on Friday and ending at 6PM on Sunday. Didn't work well for me either! Now I just try to plan an extra-nice N-safe meal on Friday, and have a glass of wine with it. I do think it's cool that those of you who have re-gained have come back here. I can't imagine going back to We...

kccc

Mimi, I know that's tremendously disappointing! Give yourself a little time to acknowledge and feel the sadness - that's part of healing too - then figure out what you can DO that will make you feel better. Self-nurture and positive action are two of the most powerful forces to affect your spirit! I...

kccc

Ended up working late last night. Since son was eating at a friend's, I decided not to cook. Gave hubby my Chinese leftovers, which he appreciated, and I raided the fridge. Leftover barley (which I loooove and the rest of the family tolerates) and a huge salad with good stuff in it. Perfect! Br - ba...

kccc

Wow, the inventor of the 21-day club! How cool to have you back. (I've been here a while, but you pre-date me.) I actually went back and looked at the beginning of that thread, which I hadn't before. There's discussion at the very start about S-days counting or not, so I guess it's been an ongoing c...

kccc

I said no to a second glass of wine last night. One is okay, but I wanted the second one just because it was a difficult evening and I "deserved"... (we know the rest, don't we?). Since I don't want to switch from using food as a crutch to using alcohol as a crutch (not a good trade!), I had hot her...

kccc

I had something happen where I felt really angry and felt myself getting hungry. I realized I'm mapping the unsettled stomach feelings of anger or anxiety to hunger. I knew that couldn't be right at this time because I'd just eaten a proper meal. Since there was nothing genuinely positive I could d...

kccc

Dinner was pork tenderloin, corn, broccoli. Very good. Br - oatmeal w/nuts & raisins, an apple (a bit more b/c I know lunch will be late) L - out for a work meeting. Oh well. Chinese, I think. S - Today is pasta w/pesto made with basil from my garden, and a BIG salad. I may get a baguette when I pic...

kccc

I talk about food a lot on this journal. I like food. Especially now that I can enjoy it happily instead of seeing it as a source of guilt, resentment, frustration and all sorts of unhappy emotions. My sister, who is thin but has to diet perpetually to maintain it, once told me she keeps her weight...

kccc

Sunday Br - bagel with cream cheese Snack - bread (around lunchtime) Lunch (late) - tuna melt, grapes Snack/Dessert - WAAAAYYY too many cookies. Did.Not.Feel.Good. Supper - chicken with barley, stir-fried peppers and onions Dessert - Mint ice cream. I had seconds. :0 A little more contained (I can a...

kccc

Hi Buttercreampillow, Glad the 15 minute thing is working for you. And glad to hear that you want to be your own "cheerleader" instead of "worst enemy" - I think No-S really encourages that attitude (or maybe highlights where it's needed) and the change affects MUCH more than eating! I like Noel's i...

kccc

Saturday was a bit over-the-top. Ate normally until just after lunch, then perma-snacked the rest of the day. Not into discomfort territory, but I know it's an issue when (1) I genuinely can't remember all the stuff I ate and (2) I found myself casting about for "something good" when I wasn't hungry...

kccc

Buttercream, I'm SO glad that's working for you! :) Good for you for taking positive steps. In all honesty, I've been amazed at what a difference such "low" (I thought) levels of exercise made to me. Physically, it shakes out stiffness and achiness I didn't even know I had. Emotionally, it builds co...

kccc

Just for decoration. Here's the background... Funny story: A parent I know used a really creative excuse not to buy her toddler daughter different things she wanted in the store. When the little girl would ask for a doll, or a fancy cupcake, the parent would say sadly, "honey, those are just for de...

kccc

No experience with stopping smoking, but your plan sounds like one that will set you up for success. I'm a real advocate for "being gentle with yourself," and easing pressure in one area so you can focus on another is just plain smart. (As an aside... one of the things I've noticed as a parent - and...

kccc

Sorry, I was referring more to the '30 minute meals' titles of cookbooks and tv cooking shows and as a comment on attitudes- I did not mean it to be taken literally. I'm sure many people spend that much time 'cooking' over several days - after all, how long does it take to remove a package from the...

kccc

Friday night dinner - pasta with shrimp (Saute onion, garlic, and red pepper in olive oil. Add shrimp and cooked linguine. Top with parmesan. Yum!), salad. And wine. :) Planning ahead for the weekend... we're going to an event where we'll need to do a picnic lunch. (Here's where I wish I had someone...

kccc

Is that a bummer or what? Don't let it throw you, don't "punish" yourself by overeating. (Did you read the section in the book on overeating being form of self-punishment? At least... I think it was in the book and not on the boards...) Plan some lovely meals/treats for the weekend, and find somethi...

kccc

As for your boyfriend... I can't tell if he just doesn't "get it" or is deliberately sabatoging you, I'm thinking the bf might have a more realistic idea of what she looks like. Hard to tell, but... Ah, that could be too - I may have been unfair there. Since I had to set boundaries around other peo...

kccc

THREE deep breaths. Okay, one... two... :) The slip-ups don't seem to me to be as much a problem as how much you're beating yourself up over them. Please don't expect perfection of yourself - good enough IS good enough. Small, consistent steps will take you in the right direction. You're trying to c...

kccc

I have 4 Habitcals right now: No-S - standard use. I use my daily check-in to post details on N-days and occasionally on S-days (but less often) Idiotic S-days - Got this idea from someone else on the board - LA_Loser, I think. On my regular No-S habitcal, S-days are yellow... they can NOT be red. B...

kccc

Last night's dinner ended up being a veggie wrap with a side of broccoli. Not too bad.

Friday

Exercise: Muscle strength class

Br - oatmeal, raisins, nuts
L - salad w/nuts and bleu cheese (in place of dressing), dried figs, cheese and crackers
D - TBD, but it will include the shrimp I have thawing!

kccc

It's only 8:15, but I'm giving myself a GREEN for today and considering the kitchen closed. Actually, after dinner snacking, although it used to be the bane of my existence, is not really my problem now... Wow, that's quite an accomplishment! A long-term habit changed. You go, girl! (And yeah, ther...

kccc

Oh, wow, Mimi, you REALLY did a number on your leg! Just LOOK at that! This is such a great photo - thank you for sharing. I can see not only the limits of your life right now (in that GIN-ORMOUS cast), I can also see that you're well loved, just by all the comforts surrounding you... somebody is ta...

kccc

Buttercream, I'm glad it helped. I think one of the reasons for No-S's success (beyond the core sanity of it) is that this group is so supportive. As long as I've been doing No-S, there are times I need to hear a little encouragement - and that's often all it takes! == Thursday - physically back at ...

kccc

Funny thing... sometime making a LOWER minimum is the key to success. I've been flirting with meditation for years now, and can't seem to manage the time... and yesterday I found a "three breath meditation" practice. No kidding - three breaths. That's the first stage. Okay, it's ridiculously minimal...

kccc

Those little triumphs are worth celebrating - they lead to big accomplishments over time. And every time you walk past, you make the next time easier. Funny story: A parent I know used a really creative excuse not to buy her toddler daughter different things she wanted in the store. When the little ...

kccc

Wed Br - bagel, pb, banana L - black bean and corn chili (1.3 cups - one would have been plenty, but didn't want a third of a cup left over. When will I learn it's okay to throw things out?), canteloupe, dried figs, one slice plain toast D (planned) - chicken quesadillas with stir-fried veggies and ...

kccc

Happens to all of us. Mark it and move on!

(Or, as Janie says, "pick yourself up and dust off the crumbs...")

Hang in there!

kccc

I love your line about getting back up and "brushing off the crumbs." Captures the "letting go of the past" and heading forward perfectly. Don't let the little things get you down. Progress is SLOW on No-S, and I know that's hard. But at least it's in the right direction. Babysteps will take you whe...

kccc

Tuesday

Br - Bagel w/pb and banana
L - 15 bean soup (1 cup), cheese toast w/ tomato slices, canteloupe
D - Grilled chicken, salad, sweet potatoes, canteloupe
Exercise - 20 minutes of yoga

I still am running a slight temp, but feel pretty okay overall. So back to the salt mines tomorrow...

kccc

For those of you worrying over S-days, I'd like to recommend the "S-days gone wild" podcast and discussion. See the "sticky" above. It sums up a lot of experience that others have had with S-days, and offers some useful strategies if you're concerned about yours. I will add once again that it's real...

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