Everyday Systems

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Hate to tell you, ladies, my periods didn't stop until about six months before I turned 57. Can you imagine if I had gotten pregnant? Ten years ago. Seems longer. But once it was gone, it was gone. Different bodies.

Sending healing vibes for your hip.

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RE the million years, very good point! It reminds me of the opening of The Hungry Brain about a man who came from a subsistence culture who moved to an urban area and put on about 50 lbs. All his years of eating moderately and rather naturally, given his environment, did not prepare him for the effe...

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Well five pounds of FAT would be eating 17,500 MORE than your body needed, give or take a few hundred. I think we'd be hearing about how sick you were from all that eating in six days if that's what had happened. The good news is that since the gain probably wasn't all fat, you don't have to have a ...

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And when someone there says any of those, the people around can just tell from context what you meant. Whatever they're called, I hope you're enjoying them!

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You have already learned such great lessons! I started this over eleven years ago when I was 56 yrs. old. I lost most of my weight over a couple of years eating mostly 40/30/30 (CFP) on N days just because I had already learned that was a good mix for me from meals I ate on WW and I knew what those ...

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Thanks, LInda. It's not an issue I could have predicted, but things could be so much worse! I've been using the blood glucose readings for about a week. Interestingly, one morning I got a shaky semi-desperate urge to eat earlier than I usually do . When I checked my BG, it was nearly 20 points lower...

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Very pretty!

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Me and my sad disappointment in my appetite. Have I found something? I'm on this program that ties eating to blood sugar readings, not desire or hunger. I'm only on day 2, but am already suspecting that it won't have the effect I wanted because I think I've gotten into the habit of choosing foods my...

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Octavia, what part do you feel is not No S? Choosing to have a lighter breakfast, if it's a meal, and a balanced dinner, is still No S to me. Or are you doing a lot of other eating besides breakfast and dinner? Navigating WTH is a supreme skill. I think the best motivation is a truly believing that ...

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You mean like English afternoon tea?

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Thanks, ladybird. I have to admit part of my antsy feelings is because I have actively fought trying to meet a media appearance standard for most of my life, but I am intrigued by the idea that I could drain some fat, though honestly, and I do mean honestly, if my bodyfat were closer to 25%, which i...

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thanks. It hasn't been a good start. I took a chance not paying extra for postage and got the kit the night of the day I was supposed to start with a morning reading, yesterday. I had to work to stay calm reading through all the directions to use the device and skipped a lot of stuff about how to se...

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I have read that, too, it's just that the numbers are moving differently from what I expected, given the changes. I'm doing stuff that is RECOMMENDED and the numbers are off. I'm supposed to start my 30 days tomorrow. I need a monitor that hasn't arrived yet. I knew it might not, but was hoping. I a...

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Wonderful learnings.

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That cholesterol stuff can be so puzzling. Best of luck with experiments!

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I learned a lot during one bout with WW doing tracking, and for a few months last year. I agree it can be great training wheels.

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Thanks for your thoughts, Soprano and Ladybird30! Just to be clear, I didn't start following my new eating plan after Zoe. I started it from other sources back at the beginning of 2020, but I had been heading in that direction for awhile. Zoe recently told me that many of the foods I was eating fit ...

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I didn't mean that you burn a lot doing resistance work. But when people lift heavy, they can lose fat and gain muscle. I just meant it has been found that people who weight train in deficit are more likely to preserve muscle. PIctures of avid exercisers who cut calories are posted on another site I...

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I don't know why this posted three times, and I can't' seem to get rid of it.

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P.S. I don't always feel good about posting about any eating that doesn't really seem to jibe with No S. The reason I think this one is not bad to allude to is that it will likely lead to relatively systematic meal-eating though it may take some experimentation. But I would have to do that anyway, a...

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Interesting observations. Thanks! Well, now the semi-bad news. It's not terrible but I don't want to be too complacent. I had regular blood tests done last week since I hadn't during the pandemic. I was a bit shaken to see that a graph of results showed that my bad cholesterol and average blood suga...

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Glad your cousin is making it. Your exercise is doing such good things for you, even if you are stuck in your weight. Maybe even more so! Enjoy your sane summer eating.

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I was just on a site earlier today that displayed a chart that showed that a BMI of 24 was actually the best one for longevity. Now I just flipped back through all my open tabs and can't find it.

Great going!

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Sorry about the lack of sleep recently, but otherwise, enviable consistency!

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I think the data shows that the emphasis on ever more self-development can definitely backfire in terms of happiness. But it sure sells. Your results are fantastic! Kudos. If you get to your normal BMI range, you do understand you will be "better" than average as things stand now, and if you get to ...

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It's a conundrum. I was thinking boosters might be due around September.

If you are liking the tracking, more power to you!

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Great work.

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Warmest wishes (even though it's summer) with this new perspective. I have long said that it's life in between meals that is going to be the last piece in the puzzle for me. I still obsess about all this more than I'd like. I hope it won't be considered part of the obsession to keep us abreast of yo...

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Happy Anniversary! When looking at results, I always thought about where I would have been without No S. I knew that people who "diet" usually weigh MORE two years later, so even if i still weighed the same after two years, I was ahead. I had mostly plateau in between bouts of losing. Maintaining is...

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Glad it's working out. I know when I am not eating much of anything like crackers or "small particle" starches, " the volume food is going to go up. And I have to do more chewing so it takes longer, too.

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This is absolutely wonderful news! So glad for your positive changes. and am really envious (I write this to people all the time but don't do much about it) of your consistent workout schedule. I would imagine you have lost a lot more 45 lbs. of fat with that amount of resistance work. Here's to the...

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Thanks re the Nurse, ladybird. I'm attracted to the idea that some kind of innate sensing can lead us to an optimum diet, but I'm not sure. I have a shard of doubt from neuroscientist Stephan Gould who wrote somewhere in his book The Hungry Brain or site that the brain, which pretty much directs eve...

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Oops, I spoke too soon. Consulted another Data Driven Fsting page and there is an app that costs, though it sounds like you could use your own tracking.

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Sorry, I never lost my taste for my binge foods. I just went without until the stream went underground. I don't have to do much to keep it there, thank goodness. Except eat better quality-"real-er" food regularly. Funny how long much juggling I did along the way until I decided it was actually more ...

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A good check in. Sounds like moderation rules even if it isn't systematic.

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Oh, I see. Yes I remember now posts about how you felt compelled to eat foods in the cupboard at work that you wouldn't likely have at home, and often after vowing not to. Very cool that you feel such peace now.

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Or they leave because they get impatient, try something else, or just fail day after day and are too embarrassed to say anything for a long while. And they realize this is sane. I did that once. I stopped posting as much when the site was reconfigured and I stopped getting email alerts about updates...

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Remember how upsetting that was. Ironically, feeling regret by itself at the time of an infraction is not a habit shaper; recalling the regret and wanting to avoid it can be a powerful motivator. But it took a lot of me fooling myself before the scales, no pun intended, tipped and I could suffer thr...

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I really hope Spector is just following the data. He may be suffering from confirmation bias. Now to confuse things, on a FB support site for Zoe, someone made reference to a program called Data Driven Fasting, where for 30 days at a time, people let their blood sugar readings dictate when they eat....

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I was going through a really bad time about six years ago and I used to put on the 24-hour version of Happy and dance, do housework, and sometime cry to it. It's still infectious.

Just a moment to check in and say Hi!

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Hi! Oh, M and M's for breakfast reminds me of how I would sometimes on the way to my teaching job stop and buy a bag of Hershey's kisses and gobble them in the car in the parking lot . But that wasn't breakfast. That was a fix. Now it's been nearly 18 months since I had milk chocolate. Knock on wood...

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From my years of doing this and being on the weight loss site Sparkpeople, I have come to the conclusion that anything more than a few percentages' loss being sustained demands way more precision than is implied, UNLESS someone moved to a culture where slimness was more typical and truly adopted the...

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Hope no news is good news.

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Me, too.

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RC, do you fear the 5% failure rate? I feel pretty safe now, especially because the stats show that for the most part, even if contracted, the symptoms are much milder and the death rate close to zero. Maybe I just want to believe but I don't think I'm far off. California is opening up and honestly,...

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P. S. Saw you said you were in Bath. I had no idea it is such a gorgeous city! We didn't plan well and most of the great places to visit were booked for days ahead of our visit. I'm usually too cheap to pay for the touristy stuff, but I was ready to sell out! We did see Ralph Fiennes on stage at a s...

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Wow I haven't checked in for awhile! And I had all that time quarantining in London. I was a lot less productive than I had planned on being. Here is a link to the recording of our little production of Romeo and Juliet. If you're inclined, you can fast forward to the Nurse scenes. I'm wearing a red ...

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I htought I posted a comment before. Hope it didn't offend! Glad to hear the transition is easy so far. sounds like your body has let go of some glycogen and probably a little fat. Even if you didn't know about the weight loss, had you noticed feeling lighter? I notice when I'm being really rigorous...

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Think Caribbean? Sorry If it's embedded in the thread somewhere. Sometimes I just skim...

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Where are they?

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It's been about six months. How has it gone? BTW, I don't mean to be a killjoy, but the odds of getting to thin from obese are really small in our environment. But getting from unhealthy to healthy is very possible. And thinness just might happen but it's a crushing expectation. It's the cultural ha...

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No system can be guaranteed to "work" for everyone. The question is, what else would you be willing to do? If you think this isn't going to be enough, commit to what is necessary. If that sounds too hard, then there's your answer. Surrender to this and vow to keep at adjustments needed until you get...

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I've been at it about 11.5 years so we must have crossed paths. As I've aged, I haven't been able to eat enough at meals to get enough nutrition in, but I still feel the core of No S led me to be able to sustain enough moderation to maintain my loss and then some. If it helps at all, know that what ...

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Did it work? I never could get it to.

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I just want to say I am so nerdily happy that "complement" is being used in the standard way, though the internet is likely to cause it to disappear and be replaced by compliment. I see that almost exclusively now. If I waited until I was actually hungry, I would eat 1.5 meals a day. It has been a f...

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Hope you had a good winter and are ready to melt into spring. If I may say, there are other good reasons to eat moderate meals and not much else besides weight loss, in case that's getting in the way. Those were what kept me at it. I honestly think I was so afraid of compulsively overeating for the ...

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That is so touching How lucky you are!

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I, too, am in awe of how much you get done, Here's to finishing the week green!

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Just tried adding a photo. It said my file was too large. I don’t think I got offered a chance to shrink it. This was on my phone. I tried it on my laptop and the damn thing would not allow me to access my photos. I’d forgotten that. And I probably have to go into the shop where I bought it and ask ...

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Hope i didn't sound like I was criticizing. I think it's charming how we have people from all over. (I worked for the British Council in Tehran in 1978 and I will be in England in May.) In California, we would say cans and packages. Ooh how I know how X could lead to baked Y. Dough and batter were m...

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Big hugs to you and your daughters, pinkhippie. The only ameliorating thought I have on it is that our narrative-self brain structure (the part that tortures us) is pretty good at finding other problems, meaning getting rid of this one might just lead to something else becoming the juggernaut. But m...

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Don't mind us! Use the board for your own purposes. If that includes something giving a verbal hug, wonderful. If not, no worries. Congrats on all the changes. Good luck with having periods and teaching!

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Sounds good!
Tins and packets. Remind me. Are you in England?

On another site, a member there is fond of saying if she doesn't buy it, she can't eat it. Of course, then there's follow through. And beforehand, working through our thought habits that defend having access!
Bit by bit, keep going!

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How cool to hear things are well. Has it really been nearly three years? Your meals sound like lots of fun chomping!

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I've whined about it before but I sure miss getting the email alerts when there are new posts on threads I'd like to follow. Seeing that it's so easy to eat more than is comfortable is a boon. And valuing not doing that... that seems to be pretty central in meal-based slim cultures. It doesn't fit t...

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Gonna see if I can get to that.

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Most people have moved to the individual check-in threads. I started No s over eleven years ago. It took me a few years- being impatient had never led to maintenance- and I got into my normal BMI range by losing 40 lbs., though achieving orderly eating was much more important to me. As I got older, ...

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Just dropping in. All in all, things sound good! You have such a full life. Funny about the protein bars- others buy them, you eat them. I can't use that excuse, though sometimes I would like that problem. I had had plenty of "bad" experiences with bars before No S, and Reinhard's diatribe helped, t...

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Thx, Ladybird and Zoid! Pinkhippie, unfortunately, from reading the book Beauty Sickness, the prognosis for girls and young women is not good. The author is talking at the end about some things to do and reports SOME hope, but looking at the rest of it, hoo boy. I've also discovered that for all my ...

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I will be playing the (impossibly old) nurse. As of now, I would arrive on May 18. Had a long talk today with a young actress in one of my groups who had been studying there and went through the process last year. She recommended I stay in London near the airport because apparently I have to go back...

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Welcome back and belated congrats on your baby.

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I have finished it, but it sounds like you are leaning another way and may just get overwhelmed by alternative perspectives. Every author has his/her bias and the reader is always getting that person's perspective, and I admit that even my admired experts probably have confirmation bias. In the end,...

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A very legit question, auto, about gorging at a restaurant once in awhile. The main reason is the recovery process. I tend to affected for the whole next day and sometimes beyond- bloating, food thoughts, etc. I have been making some compulsion for whole foods- mostly fruit, and I'm talking quite a ...

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I've never been able to do it, either. Long ago, I saw a post where Reinhard said he would help someone trying the same. Do you have his email address?

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Thanks, Auto. I can't say I've sworn off completely but been spending a lot less time with those books. I'm usually glad for what I've learned and incorporated. I actually would not have added a lot of stuff into my diet just by my own experimentation. But I also have to admit that I am SOMETIMES st...

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I think I saw you post that you are back. Great! May I ask if you feel you have any other reason to change your eating habits than weight loss? It just seems that people who concentrate only on that are very vulnerable to plateaus. I myself just couldn't stand the idea that I would keep overeating c...

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Did I see on gratefuldeb's post that you are recently back? Welcome again and warmest wishes!

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OMgosh, has it really been that long since you left? I feel like it wasn't that long ago. Congrats on your son's progress! No disrespect to other people's children but yours didn't just go from being 9 to older. Cal Tech. Yowsah. You may have to do more than just the meal habit, but it's unlikely yo...

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I wish I had easy answers for you. I'm sending you something less public. Do your best to shave off dense food where you can, and increase nutrient-dense food. Ease your way up to sustainable movement habits. Know the body may resist if you are pushing to the edge of its set point range. In the mean...

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Welcome! Environment makes a huge difference. Thinking of the first example in the book The Hungry Brain, about a man from a South Seas island subsistence culture who moves to the big city and gains 50 lbs. Only problem is it can be very hard to impose subsistence (or alternately, hunter-gatherer) f...

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Actually, a book on mastering leptin was published in 2002. Maybe around the time Reinhard started the first version of this? A lot more restrictions, but I think most long-timers' morph to accommodate adjustments that could be thought of as restrictions. They are usually the result of trying things...

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ZippaDee, what I say is that diets don't (often work) ON THEIR OWN to teach you how to be satisfied with less food permanently. They don't teach you how to negotiate with habit and with the body's intermittent attempts to get that fat back. It's a mystery why it becomes very easy for some, but when ...

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If I've done my figuring right, I am starting my 12th year since adopting systematic moderation. There have been bumps, and even now, I am adjusting the system to respond to present conditions, but I still believe that mostly meal-based eating is THE foundational habit to combat the cultural excess,...

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Thanks, ladies! After all my talk I have done almost no regular exercise since that post, least of all muscle-building exercise! I haven't sat down wot write my why I want to and what I want to avoid lists narratives. I'm bummed that I am as bothered as I am by having gained about four pounds when I...

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I was able to use Beck's cognitive principles and No S, beginning eleven years ago this week, to get back into my late teens weight range, a normal BMI, after nearly four decades of disorder and have pretty much maintained for nine years. Except for a few times when I was aiming at other goals, I ne...

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All this is for future reference, since you said you have an approach for now. Maybe wait a few weeks before reading? I hope you can use the incentive of taming your diabetes to get over the rebellion against restriction. I don't believe in diets for weight loss specifically but I absolutely believe...

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How has the half of a year gone, Robin? Did the mod work? I will also check to see if you have a check-in thread.

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I have been having some shaky times, too. It can make such a difference to get through the holidays systematically moderate.

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Thanks, Soprano. I don't doubt that I can make some progress with other exercise systems. Especially if I actually do them! Just saying I have a lot of catching up to do with a body less likely to gain muscle, while it can gain a lot more strength, which is also a plus. But I don't know if any of th...

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Missed saying thanks, pinkhippie. I walked a fair amount all spring and most of the summer, but it never affected my hunger. If only. I did a little 3-day thing to try to affect digestion. I didn’t expect it to help with reflux but it did. Lost some water weight that is back, which is what I expecte...

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Not sure what you thought I was saying. If I wasn’t clear that I am happy for you and support this new path, I did a bad job.

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Contending with fat phobia while also being realistic about what is a smart way to eat for a true long health span can be tricky but the alternatives are no party, either, especially with such easy access to questionable refined foods. ( and every side cherry picks evidence, including this one!) But...

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Well, my rebellion lasted longer than I expected and finally bumped my weight up consistently. Dang. I'm only about 4 lbs. up, but am shocked at how much it affects the way some pants fit. At age 67, I don't think the weight is just going to drop back down easily because I was not going to town on a...

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Just dropping by. Happy Anniversary! I am really impressed by 75AF days. I'm not a drinker but the bit I've done, well, I do appreciate a bit of a buzz, but don't like the taste of alcohol enough to get it. I tried for awhile because I read in more than one place that a drink a day for women was ass...

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I know that is true of some and possibly most, but there are plenty of cases on the internet of people turning around their diabetes with high starch diets of whole foods even after years of abuse with the usual suspects. I would hope that each person would use good tactics to monitor their body's r...

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Gaby, how is it going? Sometimes we don't actually need the structure as much as just the will to know in any one moment that following the urge is going to lead to the lousy feelings we want to avoid. Either suffer a bit in this moment and feel better in about 15 minutes because we held out, or giv...

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Did you also get a reason to keep doing this? I think you need several reasons, unless it's all going smoothly now. And just weight loss or looking good is not effective as the abysmal stats on those show. Shocking but so obvious when you look at it. If just weighing less and fitting an image worked...

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I humbly suggest it's ultraprocessed refined carbs that are the problem. Societies eating a high unrefined starch diet have very little diabetes or other degenerative disease. I've said before No S cannot defy the laws of physics, and I'll add chemistry now. People with health conditions cannot have...

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I logged calories for two months, I think, at the beginning of 2020. I was looking for a certain limit to protein and fat, and had relapsed a fair amount at the end of 2019, so I was willing to do it to recalibrate things. It helped me see what reasonable meals looked like. Just the idea of having t...

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