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I just read Michael Ruhlman's blog post On Seeing "Fed Up". In it he wrote that 80% of the 600,000 items in our grocery stores contain sugar.

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germanherman wrote:
Mariposa1127 wrote:Hi,

When I would eat my plates of food I would put a lot of junk on them like chips, noodles, bread, cereal, etc.
Sorry. That's not junk, just food.

I pretty much agree - also about the extremes. Chips are kind of iffy, but I have them with a meal if I want them.

wosnes

Oolala, as an Austrian, I can tell you that most cultures in Europe eat 3 meals a day. Some 2 and some 4 like the French. But I don't know of a single one that allows perma-snacking. Most of Eastern Europe, including the Czech Republic with their amazing cakes eats 2-3 meals with possibly an aftern...

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I don't know if they start school as early as some schools do here, though. But certainly, eating every hour or even two hours is not necessary for humans. I think children in France start the school day about 8 or 8:30, but they are in school until about 4:30. That's in the smaller classes, but so...

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I read the Karen Le Billon book and enjoyed it. She obviously did a lot o reading on the subject too. I no longer have the book, but I'd recommend it. However, I'm a working single parent, and especially when my son was little, my time with him in the evening was very limited. I love the idea of "s...

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oolala53 wrote:I don't know if they start school as early as some schools do here, though. But certainly, eating every hour or even two hours is not necessary for humans.

I think children in France start the school day about 8 or 8:30, but they are in school until about 4:30.

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My meals are generally at about the same time every day. If I eat breakfast it's between 7 and 8; lunch is between 12 and 1; dinner is usually about 8.

I would plan to eat after the gym.

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I agree with automated eating. The best way to continue is to follow the rules. I was on disability when I started No-S and I'm now retired. I manage to know what day it is all the time. When I started No-S I didn't realize there was a one plate rule. I took the no seconds rule quite literally. So I...

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You might want to read French Kids Eat Everything by Karen Le Billon or check her web site karenlebillon.com. She has a new book and companion web site Getting to Yum and gettingtoyum.com I think it was she who wrote you decide what and when your child eats; they decide IF they're going to eat. If n...

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Wosnes, it is an interesting concept to eat vegan breakfast and lunch and then what you want for dinner, are you at a healthy weight or have you lost doing it this way? Though some of my breakfasts and lunches are vegan, I don't necessarily strive for that. Bittman's plan was an example. I have los...

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I had avoided this thread title because I don't like to cook. Usually threads about cooking just make me feel guilty. But then somehow I wandered here today, and wow! Like, I can cook that. That's not hard, that doesn't require a long grocery list or items that will only be used for one dish. This ...

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That sounds reasonable. You could have a dessert after lunches AND dinners and still be very moderate in your approach.

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I try to have two light meals and one more substantial meal. I've never been much of a breakfast eater, so that's usually only coffee. B (if I have it) toast and fruit, sometimes an egg L soup, bread and fruit - sometimes I'll have a salad or sandwich D I aim for 1/4 of my plate to be some kind of p...

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I was not able to read all the posts. But did you see the one on Great Depression Cooking-Depression Breakfast? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zXqkHvs0po I thought that was great because she said they only had cookies on Sunday morning before church. Yummy! There should be 3/4 cup (12 tablespoons...

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yes wosnes, she passed away last year. i love that series so very much. i cried when i found out she had died, that video of her grandson giving the sad news is just heartbreaking. Clara was born the same year and reminded me some of my mother. In her book she mentioned going to the Aragon and Tria...

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Just an update. Several weeks ago I googled Clara (the woman in the videos) and learned that she died last November at the age of 98.

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Oolala and anyone else on these boards...do you have a mod for S days that works for you? From the beginning, for me the main problems on S-days were the sweets. What helped me was that I didn't keep a lot of sweets in the house, even on weekends. My hubby and I usually went out for an afternoon tr...

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Congratulations on your weight loss and best wishes for your continued success.

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P.S. Could anyone explain how you insert a quote saying "So and so said" ? Do you have to enter it manually ? See the "quote" icon at the top right of each post? Click on that and the post will appear in a "post reply" format. If you want to respond to a small portion of the quoted post, you will h...

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All of this is why I take my "evidence" from large "samples": Italy and France, the countries with two of the lowest average BMI's in Europe, a region whose low count can't usually be attributed to a high degree of poverty. Until recently, neither of those cultures was a consistent snacking culture...

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I'm with automated eating: take your S days. HOWEVER, remember that S days don't have to be wild. They are a time to relax and enjoy an indulgence or treat.

So, enjoy!

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It is nice to enjoy studies that support No S, and if that helps, fine, but let's not fool ourselves that "science" endorses No S - some studies appear to support it, but others appear to contradict it. That's because studies can be set up to prove anything a researcher wants to prove. However when...

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I agree with oolala53.

Our body weight changes constantly. It can change by up to a pound or two during the course of a day and mean absolutely nothing about your actual body weight. That can be from fluids or undigested food.

I'd look at the minor increase you saw as no change.

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greatpumpkin1 wrote:What are new potatoes I wonder?

Most of what is thought of as new potatoes are the small red potatoes. They're harvested early, thin skinned and moist.

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Not sure if it would have complicated things too much, but I think there should have been people eating snacks that were not high fat, high sugar as well. The snack fans will just say that it's okay if it's healthy snacks, even if the data implies that the gains didn't happen when the foods were ea...

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Maybe it was for the study, but I don"t think three big meals are ideal or even necessary.

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I think the answer to your question varies from person to person. If you're having long term trouble with S days, then controlling them may be part of what you need to concentrate on. After almost 8 years of No-S I do things differently. I almost never take an S-day. I concentrate on 3 meals daily (...

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One isolated reading means nothing. If this was done as part of a physical exam and the doctor wasn't concerned, you shouldn't be concerned. If you're randomly checking it, stop. My blood sugar is checked annually at my regular doctor's appointment. It ranges from upper 80s to low 100s. I have no re...

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Long ago I learned to stop looking at studies and start looking at evidence. People who don't snack or snack rarely tend to weigh less than people who snack. They also tend to be healthier. I'm not sure about dessert after breakfast, but I don't think a small dessert after a meal is necessarily harm...

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I'm not a doctor but I am (was?) a nurse. I'm also old enough to remember when the standard dietary advice for diabetics was three meals with possibly a bedtime snack. That was to keep blood sugar from falling too much overnight. This was also the time when long-lasting insulin was the medication of...

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Welcome!

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I've been visiting the website for a couple of years now and have the book on my Kindle. I enjoy both. I'll admit that I'd never thought about portion control as a money saver.

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Dandelion posted this on the daily check-in and I really hope that I'm not overstepping by sharing it here but I thought it's a good fit: http://www.livingthenourishedlife.com/2013/10/dear-former-self-what-id-say-to-stop-you-from-flushing-your-health-down-the-toilet That's good - some of the best a...

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Who here counts bites? Saw something about it today on Dr. Oz.which sounded really extreme.

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I have a favorite definition of commitment: carrying through on a resolution long after the spirit in which it was made has passed. My favorite example is how you felt the night you got engaged and how you feel after you've been married a few (or more!) years. I think you have to concentrate on the ...

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Two weeks in is barely getting going. It's not possible to have it all figured out fast! You've got to live it week after week, month after month. Expect it to change but try not to be watching it under a microscope. Exactly! Which is why I'm not attaching any guilt to my loaded plates. Or trying t...

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Given how the doctor talks about it, I agree, too. Not sure what to call the relaxed days, though. I personally never called or thought of them as "cheat" days. And I think there has to be a way to allow for S's. I know I needed them to be rather free. I'm not sure I would have made it if I had tho...

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I agree!

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About six weeks ago my local PBS station was fund raising. I happened to see Dr. Deepak Chopra's "What Are You Hungry For?" Most of the ideas he presented didn't interest or apply to me, but I've found a couple useful. I don't consider these modifications because they in no way interfere with the ba...

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There could be a number of reasons you're not feeling well. If you've changed what you eat there could be a period of adjustment to the new foods. Some of the fatigue could be due to seasonal allergies.

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What would I say to my younger self? Nothing. Not only does she not know that she needs to know, she's not ready to hear it. Most of us give advice to people who don't know they need it and aren't ready to hear it. I would hope, though, that she's surrounded by people who practice moderation, don't ...

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There are two ways to address this: The rule about one plate is the practical application of No Seconds. Technically, you aren't taking seconds but rather eating a single serving of each course. Since the small multiple courses is a culturally grounded way of eating that historically hasn't resulte...

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Our beloved Wosnes, who I hope is just taking a break and will be back when she gets her computer fixed, usually ate just two meals. Aw, thanks! I've been at this for over 7 years and generally eat only two meals daily. I have my first meal around noon and my second around 6 PM or later. It works w...

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No new computer -- yet.

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S days aren't a reward for 5 successful N days. They are part of the habit.

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What are your favorite comfort foods?

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I was going to post this last week. It seems that lots of frequently asked questions are answered.

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Before starting, you may have noticed that I've been absent. This is due to the fact that I killed my computer. I haven't decided what I'm going to replace it with. I have a gazillion recipes for soup, but this is the basic formula: THE QUICK SOUP FORMULA [/b] Serves 4 Oil: 2 Tbs. vegetable or olive...

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Tell me about your 5 minute ballet routine. Please.

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My advice would be to go back to the regular dinner plates and don't worry so much about the fat! Fat leads to satisfaction and helps delay hunger. oolala and I are both interested in how the French (and others) eat and they certainly aren't overly concerned with minimizing fat.

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UGH!!! Big fat fail today!! I don't know if the stress of the upcoming holidays just took over but I completely broke down and started snacking mindlessly at 4pm. A few bites of bread led to some chocolate and now I'm so annoyed with myself. It starts this terrible pattern with me that I feel incre...

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What automatedeating said above reminds me of this from The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz. Don't take anything personally. Nothing others do is because of you. What others say and do is a projection of their own reality, their own dream (vision of their life). When you are immune to the opinion...

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oolala53 wrote:Gotta buy that lottery ticket!

Did you buy the ticket that was sold in CA?

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K, I was wondering how long does it takes to stop thinking of No S all day..kind of feels like I'm on a diet...I'm almost done with the book and I'm on two sites..thinking No S ALL day long, among others things as well. I think this is why I never used HabitCal and the Daily Check-In until I'd been...

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Welcome back and good luck!

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Thank you automatedeating for asking that question and Helenaz123 for answering it. Helenaz123, if pressed to define bingeing, that's how I would have defined it. I've read some posts where people say they've binged, but it doesn't sound like what I would call bingeing. Overeating, certainly, but no...

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The only cravings I had when I was pregnant (many moons ago, my "baby" will be 32 in a few months) was for melon -- watermelon or cantaloup. I think it had a lot to do with the increased fluid volume during pregnancy. I was pregnant in the winter both times and melons weren't available. By the time ...

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I like thinking of N days as "nourishing", similar to your idea of nutritious, but I have some baggage about health-nut crazy times in my past, so the word nutritious is, strangely enough, somewhat negative for me right now. Thanks for your post! I've gotten to the point that I can't stand the word...

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I tried incorporating 16/8 IF two non-consecutive days a week. I did not find it easy at all. I felt myself dreading those days. A few weeks later, I had some of the biggest fails on N days that I've had in a year and a half. At the time, they seemed to come out of nowhere. I don't know if they wer...

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oolala53 wrote:Which cookies are you talking about having too much chocolate in? the German chocolate ones?

Yes, the German Chocolate cookies.

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I've finally met a cookie I can pass up. The funny thing is, I don't dislike them. There is just too much chocolate for me. I thought about omitting the chocolate chips, but added them anyway. I would have liked the cookies much better without the chips. I think I'm going to freeze them and take the...

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I know! I am fortunate indeed. I live in a senior apartment complex and we have: oranges, apples, tangerines, grapefruit, avocadoes, figs, pomegranates, peaches, and I think there's even a cherry tree. All free for the picking. Of course, some folks try and pick more than their fair share, and that...

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Well, I haven't been being consistent about this, but my meals just haven't been all that interesting! Neither have my treats. Made it through Thanksgiving without over-indulging. My daughter hosted and afterwards I realized that we all had just one plate of food. After the dinner my daughters and I...

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Pretty easy N week. Now it's Saturday and I realized the other day that the reason I don't like S days is they are "disordered". Yes, I seek the chaos, but I don't want it once I'm done. Our grandparents did not have disordered weekends, and that was because of cultural structure, not because they ...

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I think I'll do what I've done for the last few years and follow the example of the French: If I am served food, I'll eat what I am served, including dessert. If I get to choose what I eat I'll make the best choices I can.

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I remember that, or some variation of that, from the 1960s.

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It's okay to taste while cooking. When I taste, the samples are less than a teaspoon. Usually one or two samples do it, occasionally more are required. I've never taken enough taste tests to consider it a snack.

I rarely taste everything I'm cooking.

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GraceW wrote:The tea with sugar is fine as long as you're not heaping on the sugar. Enjoy!

And not eating something at tea time.

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Happy Thanksgiving to all in the US.

We also had a completely homemade dinner. Best yet for me, my daughter cooked it all. I took some crescent rolls.

I'll be having a secondary dinner on Saturday. Sunday I'll be making Thanksgiving Eggs. I've made these previously and they're delicious!

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I agree that hunger is NOT an emergency. If you're not vegan, you can include dairy products and eggs for more protein. Fat is also essential in keeping hunger at bay. Don't fear fat. For me, fat is at least equally as important as protein in staving off hunger. I'm not a huge fan of oats as a break...

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I think it's a classic example of a fad, quick weight loss diet. As soon as you start eating normally again, the weight will return.

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I agree that it's a personal choice. Though I haven't done it for many years, there was a time when I had a cup of hot chocolate every night.

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Cassie wrote:Ramekins are tiny!

They come in a variety of sizes. But eating from a ramekin makes the idea of eating every three hours seem sensible!

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I don't weigh myself, I just go off my clothes, it's been a good way for me :D That's what I do, too, in addition to the yearly weigh-in at the doctor's office. Alice, many people gain a little weight initially and there are many reasons for it. Over indulgent S days, putting too much food on plate...

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I'm not sure there's any scientific validity to the idea that you need more protein. Most of us already eat more protein than we need. In the past, people worked strenuously all day and they didn't consume extra protein.

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When was the last time you were this magical goal weight? A couple of months ago? A year? A couple of years? More? My guess is that you didn't put it on overnight. Why would you expect to lose it any more quickly? I know I'd gained nearly seventy pounds in the last 14 years. That's about five pound...

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I have soup nearly every day for lunch. My bowl sits on a dinner plate and I put bread, vegetables and/or fruit around it on the plate.

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I weigh whenever I go to the doctor's office -- usually once a year. Seriously.

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This link includes a link to an article about The 1953 Kitchen and that article links to a couple more, but I don't think they're as interesting. Also, Depression Era Cooking. Not the 1950s, but certainly some economical cooking.

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Congratulations!

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It's safe to say that nearly everyone has gone overboard on sweet (or salty) snacks on S days initially -- and many still do. Don't worry about the S days. Concentrate on building the N day habits.

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I also continue to serve muffins and quick breads occasionally on N days. I sometimes divide the amount of sugar by the number of servings. If it comes out to a tablespoon or less, I think it's okay for an N day. My rationale is that people who add sugar to their coffee or tea can easily have that m...

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Hi, I just found out about this diet, and it sounds very doable long term. My biggest fear is that I'm currently doing Trim Healthy Mama, and have been sticking to it for 10 days now (pathetic I know, but that's excellent for me) and I'm hitting new low numbers on the scale. I have about 20-25 lbs ...

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not everyone wants, needs, or can afford to eat like a caveman or like Michael Pollan. I'm not sure if she's saying that to eat like Michael Pollan eats is expensive or if the way he suggests eating is expensive. I think eating lots of locally sourced, organic foods can be quite expensive. However,...

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i was thinking about the snacks earlier, too, especially, for some reason, popcorn. The equivalent of one bag of microwave popcorn was popped for the whole family. The only rule I changed when I had my own family was about dessert. If dessert was being served, everyone got dessert if they wanted it....

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In the 1950's the portion size was a lot smaller? Portion sizes were smaller, dinner plates were somewhat smaller and we didn't perma-snack. Until recently my mother's "good" dinner plates, purchased around 1938, were in daily use at my former mother-in-law's home. They aren't much smaller than my ...

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I follow her blog sporadically and I've sampled the book on my Kindle, but haven't purchased it yet. I'm surprised at how many ads and literature from the 50s come out and use the word "fat." Though I grew up in the 50s, I don't remember that. I probably wasn't paying that much attention.

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Welcome back, KCCC. I'd been wondering where you were.

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I often do the 20 minute trick: I serve up a normal plate of food even if very hungry then pause after finishing and if I'm still hungry after 20 minutes (it's very very rare!) I allow myself a top up. 20 mins gives my body the chance to register genuine fullness. I've done that, too. At the end of...

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Sounds like you're doing great!

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This weekend's treat will be almond biscotti . I still have beef barley soup, but the next soup will be creamy tomato soup . A local restaurant makes a delicious tomato artichoke soup. The first time I made this soup, I realized that if I added artichokes, it would be virtually identical to the rest...

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Extremely good point about the kids! I do think they need an afterschool snack, but other than that, probably not. Thanks for the reminder! The other day I was thinking about snacking here when I was growing up. I remember either an after school snack or an evening snack. Which you had depended on ...

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OK, so I've started and stopped. Started and stopped. Maddeningly. It's too easy to make excuses. I have three kids and it seems they are always eating. Good luck! Something to think about: Your kids don't need to be eating constantly, either. It's a bad habit they'll have to unlearn at some later ...

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I hate to be a Debbie Downer, but don't be discouraged if you can't make it. There are at least a couple of us here who have NEVER had a perfect 21 days, but we've still lost weight. Just be persistent. I've never aimed to have a perfect 21 days, but I'm not interested in perfection.

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My treat over the weekend was snickerdoodles . I have a two-tablespoon scoop and the cookies weren't as big as those shown, but I still only got just over 2 dozen. I'm making brisket today. This is the recipe I generally use, though I've collected many more and often vary it. If the roast is bigger ...

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How did your first day go?

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Last night I was going to make a shrimp dish from a recipe Grammy G sent me. I ended up having a tuna salad sandwich. So, tonight is the shrimp dish. I get an email on weekdays from "Everyday Food with Sarah Carey." The recipe today is Hearty Beef Stew . I think I'll try this tomorrow with some vari...

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The French and Italians pretty much live quite similarly to No S all the time. They don't take days off from their routines just because they have a day off work. That's just our confused culture of restrict, then overeat because we have access to food or it's time to celebrate. There is so much pl...

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My apologies for the length of this. Nearly every time I read one of your posts, I want to ask you this: Have you ever considered that your struggles with No-S, especially no snacking, isn't because you're incapable of following No-S as written, but because No-S as written isn't right for you [/b]? ...

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Brunch today is going to be a bacon avocado omelet (read: scrambled eggs). I think I'm going to make a breakfast taco out of it. Dinner will be shrimp avocado salsa and tortilla chips. Not only do I LOVE the stuff, I started eating it while watching Colts football. It's become a tradition. Beyond th...

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