Everyday Systems

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Yes, as long as you are not in politics, pants falling down is a good thing. Congrats!

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Well Deb, just for you... since there will be a hockey season this year...

Go Devils!

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Ah, but you live in Massachusetts. You may wish you had that extra insulation come winter time.

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Well, here is my random, occasional check-in. This has gotten pretty routine, though things come up, mostly round, sweet things such as donuts. Though today it was because of somebody's promotion at work, so that's a good thing. And I'm holding steady somewhere between 176 and 179 lbs (depending on ...

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Blondie -

If my understanding of New York baseball is accurate, Deb could be a Mets fan. But it is impossible to be both - if you are a Yanks fan you hate the Mets, and vice versa.

And since I too am a Red Sox fan, we can both only hope that Deb will in her next post say, "Go Mets!"

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Heh, and as for "arsenic sandwiches", I was going for the Grinch song reference but totally messed it up. It should have been arsenic sauce...

You're a three decker sauerkraut and toadstool sandwich, with arsenic sauce!

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Peanut butter and bacon? That sounds good... except for the bacon part.

Seriously though, peanut butter is great stuff... I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who uses it with odd combinations.

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Also, while I realize not everyone here is from America, the American Diabetes Association has some good info on the subject, including myths about diabetes:

Diabetes Myths

It seems that being obese is much, much more of a risk than eating too much sugar or carbohydrates.

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Didn't mean any offense to anybody. IT does seem though like low-carb will be a "niche" diet - helpful for those who have diabetes and the like, and if it works for you or anybody else, then great. But it's probably not practical or beneficial for your average, everyday, run-of-the-mill jerk like Na...

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And just my two cents on what "balanced" means... it seems that time has found that eating a wide variety of foods (especially fruits and veggies) is pretty good for you. I don't think there are any foods that are intrinsically bad (except ones that contain poison such as arsenic sandwiches with asb...

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No sticky points of objection from me. Though there are some who wouldn't mind if you used your sticky fingers to make the "21 Day Club" thread in the check-in discussion as a sticky topic, too.

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Clicky - I think you have the right attitude. For comparison, on my recent vacation, I ended up sticking to No-S but being tolerant of "screw-ups". I didn't just go hog wild though... I saved those "screw-ups" for items that really are special, such as a local delicacy or something. Having, say, pie...

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Well, Deb, I think you are worrying about it "just the right amount". You've discovered some possible causes, but aren't panicking or falling into a pit of despair. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have weeks that I went up a pound or two. It's always disappointing, but then there is usually somethin...

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No problem Deb, I hijack other people's threads (especiallyl yours) enough myself that if you hijack mine no big deal. :) Oh yeah, Friday was success, and I now I'm at 177 (down from 178 last week.) This S-weekend has been inordinatley gluttonous for some unknown reason... but oh well. As for this t...

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As for me - roughyl 23 lbs lost (goal is another 17 or so.) So it works, this community is living proof!

Good luck Lola.

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Interesting indeed, don't think I've ever seen one of those. I figured it probably wasnt' a shrimp, since it's quite improbable to find shrimp flying around a flower.

Neat pictures, too.

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Ok, I must ask, what is a shrimp bee?

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Betsy, I probably have saved money with no-S. I could probably go through my credit card statements (I pay for EVERYTHING on credit card) and actually try to figure this out for sure, but I've been too lazy to do that. Though now that you mention it... that might be an interesting exercise (even if ...

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Hmm... somebody carrying a sledgehammer at odd hours of the night... that won't look suspicious, will it? :P As for the cereal - man, I know what you mean. It can be very hard to find cereal that isn't mostly sugar. I consider myself lucky if I find one where "SUGAR" is listed as the 3rd ingredient ...

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Astronomy is cool. I was much more into it as a kid than I am now... but even still, I keep up with some stuff.. such as reading my bi-monthly "Planetary Report" and so forth. I bet he's all over the images from Cassini/Huygens around Saturn. :D As for midweek: Tuesday: success Wednesday: success Th...

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Good job... the world will now have to contend with a leaner, meaner, healthier Betsy.

Now that you've hit the magic 21 days, I think you should get "No-S for Life" tattooed somewhere conspicuous.

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Sounds like you had a good trip.

So close to 21 days... you can do it! Rah rah rah!

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Deb, no marathons today, except the life-long marathon of the No-S regime. Which, this leftover Monday, was a success. (In spite of my being in Kentucky, I had no fried chicken.) Also, while Pluto may lower your weight, be sure to avoid Jupiter. On Jupiter I'd be 451 lbs. But that's a lightweight co...

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Mandy, I'd be careful. I'm pretty sure the type of attire you describe would be against the dress code where I work. :

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Good job, and glad you're feeling better. Yeah, there are two motivations for not getting snacks at those ballgames... not only are they sugary and/or fatty snacks, they tend to be wicked expensive, too. (We have a minor league team here, but it's the same deal...) Have a good weekend... and... go N...

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Well, Friday = success, though just barely. Friend and I tried out a new Mexican restaurant. It was good, but the portion sizes are huge... you know, you order one meal and it comes on two plates. I ended up taking home half of my enchiladas and the remainder made for at lesat a reasonable meal. Fri...

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but still trying extract this alien from my nasal cavity.

That sounds like it has all the makings of a bad science fiction movie.

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Well, yesterday was a success. Today was a "successful failure", kind of like Apollo 13. The deal was, my boss had this elaborate plan to concoct a surprise birthday "meeting" for a co-worker turing 40. He thought it was just a regular meeting, but a bunch of us, along with his wife and kids, were l...

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I think I'll add that my loss has been over a period of about a year and a half. I still have a little ways to go, though, but I certainly have not had any significant gain in a long, long time. So it's coming off slowly and steadily, and staying off.

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Happy, There are actually several of us who have... granted, you have to pore through the messages to find all of us, but we're there. I've lost 20+ lbs, Deb has lost a significant amount (15-18 or so I think?), Reinhard (our founder) lost about 40, and I know there are many, many others I'm forgett...

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Nah, I enjoy poking fun at myself, hence the "fat slob" comment. I've found that life is much easier if you can learn to laugh at yourself (and it's usually more socially acceptable than laughing at others.

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Tricia,

Well, you do have the right attitutde about this whole thing, tomorrow is indeed another day, another opportunity for success. It does get easier over time - I messed up a LOT more in the beginning than I do now.

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Betsy's crush would be OK, but Dru, aren't you married with kids? With Deb's recent experience, I don't think this message board needs two homewreckers.

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Monday, Tuesday: success. I was strangely inspired at work tdoay... there's this one guy who puts a weekly trivia question on the wall by his office door. Today's went something like this: The Metric unit of mass is a kilogram. The English equivilant , the pound, is really a measure of weight, not m...

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Deb- Well, I'm impressed with the A/C thing. Those things are hard to lift and move around... big, heavy, and awkward. Not to mention actually getting it in the window... I always wonder why more places don't have geothermal A/C. It does use a fan, but that is the only energy being used - it works a...

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Being sick is a downer... you sound an awful lot like me when sick... not very hungry, but not very energetic either.

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Click-

Swimming is great exercise. I wouldn't throw others out the window though, the one problem with swimming is that it isn't weight bearing. Weight bearing exercises (such as walking) can help prevent osteoperosis and stuff like that, so I think your triathlon mix is a good thing.

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Betsy,

Cycling, rangering, and swimming? That sounds a lot like a mini-triathlon. Keep it up!

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Dru -

Wow, $200 for a pair of jeans? I don't think my whole wardrobe is worth that much.

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Blondie- Another vote for "give them away". Goodwill/Salvation Army are good ideas, I also give some of my old clothes to this organization that gives food/clothes/whatever to homeless people. Very satisying to see people scooping up my old clothes and making good use of them. Of course, I am a guy,...

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I would almost have the ideal walking environment... I live about 1.5 miles from where I work... but my road is a semi-rural one with no sidewalks for a pretty good stretch, so I only walk it occasionally. However, there are a lot of "lesser" walks I do on semi-regular basis. For instance my bank is...

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Way to go Betsy!

I think the danger of raw milk is just becuase it might contain any bacteria, etc. passed on from the cow. If you've got a healthy mother cow you're probably fine.

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Another vote for soymilk. 90% of the time my breakfast is cereal with soymilk. I'll occasionally have yogurt, fruit, or oatmeal... or, of couse, leftovers (especially pizza.) It's not uncommon for me to have a fruit smoothie either, though oddly they tend to be less filling than just eating the piec...

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Mmm.. maggots... hey, they're high in protein!

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Walks are great... it definitely helps though if you have company (another human or a dog). For me it can be tough becuase there are no sidewalks on my street - but I have been taking advantage of this week as I'm dog-sitting for my parents' dogs while they are travelling, so I've been getting plent...

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Y'all are crazy... but very entertaining. :) Thanks for the kind words about my photo... women calling me "cute"... weird concept.... Sybil: Aren't those mountains fabulous? That was off of the Road to the Sun in Glaier Nt'l Park.. which is really part of Glacier/Watterton international peace park. ...

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Nice picture... though I'm surprised there are no bunnies or pancakes anywhre to be seen...

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Well, that's the thing about studies with human beings... we are very complex critters! So much can affect a study, such as too small a sample size, the wrong sample (e.g., not representative of humans as a whole), bias, unknown variables, etc., etc. Actually, finding out that 1/3 of studies end up ...

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I don't have any food-TV association, really. It could have to do with growing up, we never watched TV while eating dinner. Dinner was a special family meal, we were supposed to talk to each other not stare blindly at a TV. I think for that reason I almost always sit down for my meals. In the absens...

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Hmm, not sure if i've ever had pumpkin seed bread. The stuff I made uses canned pureed pumpkin in it - the same stuff you use to make pumpkin pie.

But regardless, it certainly was good.

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Deb, Hmm, Glacier Nater sounds like a Ben and Jerry's flavor or something. :) Dru, Thanks! If it were to go on a wall, I might have to take down my "Newfoundland Speed Bump" (a poster of a moose), and now I'd hate to do that. Anyway, today (Weds): success. Made some pumpkin bread and had it with my ...

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Monday: success Tuesday: success OK- since posting photos is all the rage on this board, figured I'd follow suit. This is a very recent photo of me (don't be fooled by the snow, that was taken in June in Glacier Nt'l Park.) I probably have some better ones that are digitized, but not yet online. Thi...

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Sybil- I know what you mean about thinking more about food. I've found that since No-S-ing, my meals have been so much better... I tend to put a little more effort into making them healthy an tasty (well, at least the tasty part 8) ) since I know I have a limited quantity and need to make the best o...

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Mandy, I wuoldn't mind looking like that *after* losing my extra weight. You look pretty healthy to me.. from that picture, you're a runner, huh? I bet you could run circles around me, I can run a 5K in a couple hours...

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Yep, can't say I don't have the same problem myself sometimes.... or often times... or...

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I think you did pretty good for the weekend. Your S-days are very tame (food wise) compared to mine..

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I second (or third? Or fourth? Or whatever) the vote for plain old water. I too was once a pop addict (don't want to say "coke addict"... heh..) and tried the diet thing for a while. Eventually just weaned myself of it completely. Went from soda to fruit juice, then phased most of that out and just ...

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Heh, I certainly relate to that movie any time I try to do any home improvement... turn a little shack into a somewhat bigger shack just like it!

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Friday: success

Now I'm getting ready to ride my bicycle to the post office, just for the heck of it (and yeah, gas really IS that expensive now).

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Hmm, camping and S'mores do sound good! My big outdoor expedition today will be to ride my bike to the post office. Lewis and Clark, eat your hearts out..

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Jan-Tz tells speaks the truth - Applebee's is your typical American chain - decent food, but large portion sizes. Taking home some in a box - or ordering a sandwich instead of a dinner platter - is a good way to go. (I've found that works better for me if I go on and divide what I think I'll eat and...

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Way to go Dru! Yeah, it's the "law of averages"... The 5/2 ratio of "good" to "bad" days wins out over the long run.

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Indeed, I've had some good cleaning-out-the-fridge meals. Often to use up veggies or mushrooms and stuff, I'lll just throw 'em into a pizza and it seems like it always works. Oh yeah: Weds: success Thurs: success Today is my weekly weigh-in, and, surprise, I'm sitll 179. But this week that's a very ...

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Welcome aboard, Blondie. (OR is your name "Yeah", since that's what you signed your last message with? :) ) Anyhow, you seem to have much wisdom, and I think the no-S lifestyle will fit you pretty well. At the very worst, you will just not gain anything, and develop some good eating habits. From my ...

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"Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win glorious triumphs even though checkered by failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live in the gray twilight that knows neither victory nor defeat." --Theodore Roosevelt

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To each his own goo? :? :) Obvisouly, being the patriotic American I am, I took July 4 as an S-day. I had some cookies left over in the evening, though I could have legally scarfed them down, I put them in the freezer. I have no idea what they'll taste like come this weekend when they thaw out, but ...

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Deb -

I think I've seen that picture of you and Richard before - but what good picture! You're either good looking or very photogenic.

Although I can't help but imagine - if that was in 2000, Richard is about 5 years older, does he have long hair, big baggy pants, and a backwards cap yet?

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Hey Deb- That's just the thing, I actually do exercise pretty frequently. Hockey is over, but I've been walking, biking and running some, plus strength training a couple times a week. I have not tried yoga but have tried pilates (which is kinda similar) and absolutely HATED it! It really hurt my bac...

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Canada day certainly counts as an S-day, Independence day will be an S-day for me. I suppose if one had dual citizenship, they could make them *both* S-days....

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The rest of the week was a success. Now I'm ready for the long weekend. 8) As far as weight, I''m still around 179, which is where I've been for a while now. I think part of my problem this week was little things like cheese and crackers. Even though it was always part of a meal, it still ends up be...

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As for the parents thing - mine live in town so I went through some of the same issues. I agree with Deb - stick to your guns. Don't give in... if you do it will only encourage them. Mine eventually realized I was serious and stopped trying to push extra food on me. Of couse, it can helps if you vis...

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Heh, for me it's no sampling while I'm puting together a recipe. None of this "One for me, one for the pot"....

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I'm so weird... Aren't we all? :) As for the peanut butter... well, it's good to know I'm not the only one. Although for me it's usually lunch, sometimes dinner. Part of it may be that I live close enough to the Jif plant that sometimes from outside I can smell the faint aroma of peanut butter in t...

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My avatar is "Wally" from the Dilbert comic. He is always able to find creative and novel ways to avoid doing work, so I can relate to him.

Oh yeah..
Monday: success!
Tuesday: success!

Wednesday I'm going to try to make this chicken and dumpling bake... we'll see how that goes.

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Betsy, Yep, been there done that. I know exactly what you mean... it is very difficult to be around food - especially good food - and not resist! What hs helped me - very surprisingly - is buffets. Pre-No-S, I'd get up for plate after plate, and of couse dessert too. And feel grotesquely stuffed aft...

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Deb - even on "my" thread, you still have your First amendment right to say what you want, even if it not directly to me, so no need to apologize. :D As for Friday: success! Dinner almost did me in... the catfish dinner with two sides wouldn't fit all on one plate by any stretch of the imagination. ...

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So Sybil and Deb are a pair of paragons.

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Okay - time for another recipe. This one came from a friend of the family. It is unclear whether she invented it herself, or found it somewhere. She took that information to the grave, so it will remain forever in mystery. But anyway, here goes. Chicken Pockets Ingredients: 4 oz cream cheese, soften...

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Heh, not quite. My real name is Nathan, I just use "Navin" becuase it's the name of the main character in the Steve Martin movie, "The Jerk". :D BTW, Dru is a pretty cool name. Oh yeah, today: Success! Though face to face with some brownies and baklava-like-stuff at a Habitat for Humanity house dedi...

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Okay, time for the mid-week checkin. Monday: Success! Tuesday: Success! Wednesday: Er.... Well, Wed. wasn't too bad, but that lunch buffet did me in. Didn't have seconds, but I did have a piece of apple pie-like stuff. (Kind of like a mix between apple pie and a breadstick, if you can imagine that.)

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Welcome, Sybil! I just spent some time in Canada myself - Alberta thru western Ontario, and with that trip I've finally hit all the provinces. I had been to Vancouver in the past, it's a pretty neat city. Gas sure is expensive, though.

Wish you success with No-S.

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Hmm, your post reminded me of that George Thorogood song... "You konw when I drink alone, I prefer to be by myself."

As for those dishes, get a dog. The dishes will get clean quick... well, at least they'll look clean...

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Clicky, Yes, this pays off in the long run. :) There are some weeks I don't lose any, or even gain a lb., but over time, I've been losing about 1 lb. a month. I'm sure you'll probably do better than that, since I had already been exercising before No-S and I mess up a lot and do enjoy chocolate for ...

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Betsy, I think you're fine. Yeah as Deb and Kevin say, as long as you stick to it, starting your S-day Friday night and ending it Saturday or Sunday afternoon would be fine. Me, I abstain Friday nights becuase I like to have my post-hockey sweets on Sunday. :P And as for giving blood, since you can ...

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Thanks, Click! Hope you have a great weekend too...

BTW, Friday: Success! I may have gone overboard a little with the Denny's fish and chips, but it was good....

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Monday - Thursday: all success! Now only Friday stands between me and a weekend of freedom....

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Why do you think walking around New York with a sledgehammer is odd? I'd be afraid to walk anywhere in that city *without* some big, blunt object such as a sledgehammer that can be used for defensive purposes.

But seriously Spiral, glad you're here, may your no S journey be successful.

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Well, in addition to all of the wonderful advice already given, here are some things I've done to keep meals on the road or eating out under control. Granted, I don't eat out nearly as often as you, so your mileage may vary (pun intended. :P ) Try to find hotels with refrigerators... they are a gods...

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Kevin - I wouldn't worry too much about the scale for day-to-day weighings. I've found it helpful to have a set day and time of the week that I do my official weigh-in. Yes, it so happens to be Friday before dinner, when I'd theoretically weight the least (before any S-days). You might do this, or o...

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Somewhat off-topic... even though I have no children, I definitely have the mentality of not wanting anything to go to waste. If it's on my plate, I'm almost certainly going to eat it! That is often a problem for me, sometimes I'll finish of the plate even if I'm not really that hungry. There was an...

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Agreed. Fortunatley at least some companies are taking notice... I think McDonalds has (or is planning) to eliminate trans-fats in its foods. Still won't exactly make most of McDuck's fare health food, but it's a start. I think companies use trans-fats becuase it helps keep things solid and gives fo...

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Well, the rest of the week was a success*. (And I'm down another lb. since last week.) * Yes, I am counting today, even though the day isn't over. You might say that is overconfidence... and I know overconfidence was the weakness of the Sith and many others, but I'm still counting it. Friday nights ...

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You know, you could have considered that 1:30 AM chinese as a really really early breakfast.

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Today: not so good... had a piece of ice cream cake as one of the guys at work just finished up a master's degree. I would have had no problem had I waited a little while to congratulate him... the cake would have been long gone. Well, tomorrow is another day, and hockey tonight will help me work of...

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Man, I know what you mean! Often for me it's stuff at work... doughnuts, etc. So when I can't ensure that the birthday celebration is on the weekend, I make two exceptions (sparingly) to help keep things under control: A piece homemade birthday cake or snack is OK. (Hey, don't want to offend anyone,...

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Wow, I write all my CGI programs in Perl.... of course I'm not a web designer so any CGI I ever do is usually ridiculously simple. Okay, seriously.. I've read/heard the same thing about fidgeting. The only thing is, it's very hard to do conciously. So yeah, getting out of the office and walking arou...

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Today: success. I made my own dinner tonight, and boy it feels good to eat real food after two weeks of restaurants and fast-food. (Crab quesadillas with mango salsa, if anyone's curious. Tasted good but presentation was not quite up to snuff - the top tortilla kept sliding off...)

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Wow... you want a height, weight, and gender check? This is beginning to sound like one of those personals boards... :lol: Just kidding of course. Anyway, I started at about 200, I'm about 5'7 or 5'8, and probably need to be at around 160. I'm a 29-year-old male. I've been No-S-ing for about a year ...

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Okay, I'm baaaaaack. Days X04 though X17- I did much better than I expected. I followed the letter-of-the-law perfectly. The problem I had though was that I ate out a whole lot more than I typically do. It's kind of hard not to on a road trip... the options are either eating out or buying groceries ...

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Hey - welcome aboard! As Reinhard says on his board, and about everyone else here can attest to, the best thing about this diet is that it's sustainable. Likek you said, all the others might work in the short term but it's nearly impossible to keep it up long term. But by my own experience, I could ...

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