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I may have to make this an extra S day, I don't think I should make it a red because it was a deliberate choice. Last week while posting on carbs and fibers, I had the idea that I could offset the occasional white starches I eat, like quiche or pizza or pasta, or light-sugars, like morning ceral bow...

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That's good to hear, Auto and Sharon, very encouraging. When I don't feel like cooking and it's a family dinner or with friends but informal, I like using those things like a fondue set (there are many types of fondue! not only the cheesy one), or something to grill things on the table (we used to h...

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That's very nice about the fasting group! if I hadn't cancelled my facebook account I would join it.

Hope you feel better soon! and congrats for the alcohol-free days!

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Thank you Auto and Linda! today I feel better. Almost completely recovered. Thursday Week 4 135.1 Yesterday's food and water were green End of the week numbers: Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137.5, Avg138.43 Week 2= O138.0, C137.0, H138.9, L136.5, Avg137.39 Week 3= O137.0, C135.1, H137.0, L131.0,...

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automatedeating wrote: ↑
Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:40 pm
Margot - my dog would give me a dirty look if I went on the stepper instead of going outside with him.

Ha! sorry HappyBreeder...

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I have to admit that I'm disappointed "vanilla NoS" doesn't work for me to lose weight. But after 10 months of this, Would you say more that compliance is harder to achieve consistently long-term, after the novelty wears off, or that if one is rather close to the goal weight vanilla Nos may and may...

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Have you guys ever tried doing the stepper? A friend of mine had amazing results with it. She has one of those with the handles that can also move, although she doesn't use them to work on the arms. Of course breathing fresh air is better, but exercising indoors has its advantages in terms of compli...

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Wednesday Week 3 133.2 I have not been feeling too well, since monday. On monday I felt kind of week, like always on day 5, but I went for a walk anyway, and I stretched myself a little too far. After that I began to have aches and pain everywhere (which sometimes have happened after the walks, but...

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Welcome back! So if I get up at 9ish and I move "breakfast" to 11 or 12, "lunch" at 3 or 4 and "dinner" at 8 to 10(Haven't decided when I get hungry so this is up in the air ) then it'll work out I assume. That could work! if you manage to space the meals every 5 hours it would be best. In my family...

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I agree, great point.

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Octavia wrote: ↑
Mon Feb 18, 2019 1:36 pm
Loretta Graziano Breuning .... (She’s my new favourite habit-guru).

I am a total noob about habits, so I can't say if 45 days is or is not a good line to draw, but I looked this author up and she seems interesting!

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Tuesday Week 3 131.00 Diet= good Water= 2.4 l Relieved to be done with the fast. I lost a lot of weight! a total of 6 kg. But I will gain it all back, I know and it's not a problem. I'll lose them again, hopefully! Now heading for breakfast, namnam! ETA: Giving myself a yellow day as if it was sick...

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Hello eschano! happy to meet you!
About the apples, I have no idea! I was stupid enough to begin Nos at the same time as the apples and so now I don't know if the apples add something or not. But if you like apples, it's worth a try with one, if it's the number you're comfortable with.

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automatedeating wrote: ↑
Sun Feb 17, 2019 2:02 pm

I am very sensitive to smells! yesterday evening I smelled an orange being peeled and it was awesome.
Even reading about this makes me smell an orange.

There's nothing smeelling as good as oranges! or maybe cookies just out of the oven? flowers? cats? babies?

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Monday Week 3 132.2 last fasting day Getting bored of it now, 5 days is a good timeframe for me, more would be stretching my will power too far. Yesterday I indulged in thinking of what I want to eat tomorrow, that's a sign. And hunger comes up in waves and when it does, I really don't like it, I t...

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Yeah come over sometimes just for a chat and a cuppa tea without cookies

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Awesome. So happy for you!

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I agree with Margot....I went back to school at 49 after years in retail management. I just couldn’t face another holiday season of stress , long hours and the ongoing drama of managing minimum wage employees. So at 58 I now have 8 years in my best job ever! I work as an executive assistant in a hu...

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Me too

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Sunday Week 3
133.5
fasting day

All going well, the last 2 nights I have slept poorly but I'm fine.

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Worldwide Greenhouse Emissions from the EPA data: https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data#Sector 76% - all other sectors (electricity/heat, transportation, industry, etc) 24% - ALL agriculture (plants & animals & forestry - animal agriculture #'s were harder to find bu...

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I think it was that chickpeas bread cooked in one cup of lard that did it

Congratulations! a whole kg in one day at your weight is a unicorn!

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In BLE whole grains are permitted?

Yes whole grains. I love them! But what I'm saying is that even evil white flour and derivates, when eaten in moderate quantities and in combination with fibers aka vegetables, can be totally fine, imo.

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Hi Linda! not my business but if you desire a career I think you could give it a chance, or at least give it a thought. It would be such a waste if you didn't! Maybe politics? you sounded very happy of the manifestation you organized. It doesn't need to look in any particular way, but we need good p...

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And re: arachidonic acid - I know very little about that fatty acid other than that it is formed from omega-6's in the diet, which means it's highest in vegetable oils. I think grass-fed beef and dairy has less of it. And yes, I think chicken has the most. So no opinions at this point on AA, but I'...

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Saturday Week 3 134.2 fasting day All good and easy peasy. I am very sensitive to smells! yesterday evening I smelled an orange being peeled and it was awesome. Although I know none of this is real, and it will bounce back, I am now technically well in the 200's (lb)! and the Libra app, not knowing...

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automatedeating wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 16, 2019 1:22 am
Margot - so cool to hear you are fat-adapted and not hungry now. I am vicariously loving your journey.

Thank you Auto, you're super-nice

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Hi Margot, Your walk sounds so lovely. We had beautiful, spring-like weather here today. Have you tried Callanetics yet? I found that if I did the whole routine, it took me about an hour. It’s calming and therapeutic, though, if you can put aside that time. I’m convinced that the Callanetics I did ...

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I do fasting too and also learned how fasting increases metabolism unlike low calorie diet. A lot of misconceptions about fasting but i can see that the increased hcg has helped with my muscle tone. Ive only lost about 20 lbs but im down to about 21% body fat. I also feel like its healing my metabo...

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Hello! I am Margot and I am a noob, although not a noob to the dieting dilemma. You said other comments welcome and so I go for it, hoping I am not overstepping, and if I do, just let me know. I do have opinions on the carbs factor, as well as more philosophical ones on dieting, addictions etc. I th...

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Fasting going well, and my stocks went back up some! and we are now the first private people to be clients of a really awesome financial analyst, Phil Suttle - of course we've made all sorts of jokes about his name being really promising, anyway he's one of the best in the world! I feel elevated by ...

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Ha! the temperature may be the secret! the eggs came from the fridge in my failed case!
Pulling up the blender was done, although not too slowly.
THANKS I'm gonna give it a shot as soon as I can, then report back.

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I did the mayo with the immersion blender once and it worked, oh excitement! the next time I tried and tried, used up the whole carton of eggs in the end, nada. What's the secret? I do have a cheapo stupid and old immersion blender because I only use it with soups. It matters to me because store bou...

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You have a point Sharon, and I may and may not continue doing my monthly fasts in the future, depending on how my body reacts. Taking also in consideration that sometimes bodies feel good and energetic just because they believe to be in a fly or fight situation, which isn't inherently a good thing, ...

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Hi Margot - Yes, I'm very familiar with Weston Price! I particularly enjoyed reading "Nourishing Traditions" from cover to cover at some point. Not that I ever actually make bone broth...... but I did love the book. The Auto in my head is quite different than the Auto in actual action. :lol: :mrgre...

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:lol: :lol: :lol: it's just 2 weeks!!! (if I ever stop putting out numbers you'll know that I am cheating - I think it's a common way to hide, isn't it?) Also, I am really really hungry... :shock: and there may be a chance that one of these days that I am fasting I may have to take a bold decision t...

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AE, ever you ever heard of Weston Price? you may find his work interesting.

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Thursday Week 3 137,0 Kg fasting day This is the beginning of week 3, whose data will be distorted by the fast, I still keep on with it, and let's see if it ends up looking like a nice candle chart. I'll copy the previous week too so I have it all in one place. Week 1= O139.1, C138.0, H139.1, L137....

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Wow thank you so much, that's very encouraging!

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Good to know you're feeling better! When I wake up super-early I always weigh a lot more. I don't know why is that, but it's a thing, at least for me, it happened also when I was 50 kg, so I think you have nothing to worry about. Also, if you didn't give yourself any of those snacks or sugary teas, ...

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Avocado oil could be a great idea, is that one fine with the rats? I am finding myself a little conflicted on this matter, because we decided recently to go flexitarian, after I read an article on the Guardian on how bad the meat industry is for the planet. Really really, bad, worse than cars. In fa...

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Thank you Auto, what a really nice thing to say! glad to be here in such great company.

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Luckily my husband is going to cook for the whole period, if not it would be absolutely impossible for me. And so there's the bonus of not moving a finger for 5 days, which feels amazing, last month after the fast it was an effort to get back to the kitchen. I mean I like cooking, but I like doing n...

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Interesting. The language was definitely intimitading, I only read the abstract before noticing that you had kindly paraphrased the content for us. I don't eat much processed food either, but I use a lot of olive oil, unfortunately. It's not as bad as the other seed oils but it has its good amount o...

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Love your snow tales, although I understand it's a pain too. Your sledging with Creator brought me back to my scandinavian years, when my son was a toddler. He was born in Copenhagen and there was certainly snow and sledging action there too, but 2 years after we moved for a year in Norway, in the m...

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That was actually me asking (sorry O for inserting), and thank you AE for your answer. Yes I guess S-days are not made for clear-cut positions...

the Shining.

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VL says quite clearly in his book on longevity that old people shouldn't strive to be thin, but I heard the comment on them fairing better when "obese" in an interview and maybe that was just for emphasis. He mainly encourages eating more proteins, over 65, to overcome the increased fragility that c...

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Tuesday Week 2 137.2 Tomorow I will begin my monthly 5-days fast, last time during the fast I lost weight, then it came back plus some, then it went back down to the pre-fast weight. Let's see what happens with Nos. I'll fast until tuesday morning, so I'll have almost a full Nos week after the fast...

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Tuesday Week 2 137.8 Kg DIET= GREEN WATER= GREEN Putting the day in green as a default, if it becomes a red I'll change it. I am going in a direction of green Nos becoming my new normal. For the same reason I will not write down what I am eating any more. In any case I usually don't have problems o...

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Thank you Elle

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Hi Octavia! I don't have any suggestion because I am a total noob, and besides my last S-weekend has come out a disaster, but wanted to come say hi. I DO make a plan for what I'm going to eat on S Days, and I try to avoid snacking so meals taste better. I think I will do that too from now on. Does t...

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Oh I love chai tea! and it's way less naughty than my weekends hot chocolate (which I will not give up, as I'm childishly attached to it). Anyway, way to go! do you ever feel deprived for not giving yourself full S-days? probably not, as you deliberately chose that mod. Maybe it works like this, tha...

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Hello Octavia, nice to see you around! I am liking the apples thing, but I have no idea if they make things better or not, because I began the nos diet at the same time (not smart of me come to think). If you give it a try, I would be very glad if you could tell me what you make of it. I have given ...

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Sunday Week 2
137.0

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I agree that there can be a range. In Ayurveda this is expressed in terms of there being three doshas, where it's illogic to expect a kapha dosha to be as slim as a vata dosha. But I have difficulties considering physiological a higher range than, let's say, 10-12 point of BMI for women (keeping int...

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I am morbidly obese, so my comment had no anti-fat bias, be reassured. One of the beautiful benefits of this experience is that I feel great sympathy and tenderness for all my fellows fatties. And I don't have a shadow of sense of guilt or shame, I took good care of that. Anyway, I can see what a st...

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The good news is that, at least according to Valter Longo Phd, who's a longevity specialist, over 65 it is a good thing to be even obese. Maybe not morbidly obese, but I suspect that no morbidly obese even get to over 65 so that's a moot point.

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BrightAngel wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 09, 2019 4:46 pm
if we can actually stop caring about our own size, and whether we are fat or thin

Is that even possible? I don't know anyone who doesn't fuss over his/her size, for a reason or another.

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Yey us! we sure do...

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Margot - I bought 3 pairs of leg warmers and use them as part of my "after work" outfit that encourages me to move more. I feel totally cool when I wear them . :lol: Full of envy I am doing a "mobility" program and every day part of it requires shoulder swings (which have actually helped my stiff s...

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I remember doing Jane Fonda first work out!! I prefer power walking and yoga these days :) Jx Oh you smart one! I am so impressed by how beautiful JF was, like body-goals really. And she moved wonderfully. Another workout from of the 80's that is really cool is Callanetics (from Callan Pinckney). T...

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sharon227 wrote: ↑
Sat Feb 09, 2019 2:52 am
Not eating half your meal before sitting down is a definite win I've certainly done a lot of that before NoS.

Me too!

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Saturday Week 2 136.5 1 lb away from the 200's! Thank you AE. Yeah stretches or some yoga are a good idea. I would like to add some moderate low impact stuff, but I don't know how I'll react to following videos, I've never done it before. When I was thin I mostly did yoga and running, but actually ...

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I love fruit teas! I haven't had one in a while so thanks for mentioning it. I'll have a simple chamomille with some pieces of ginger added this morning, which is an all time favorite and also all I have in the pantry. Tonight I didn't sleep well because I was starving again, which is also reflected...

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Yeah sure it's not being on this diet for long that's the problem, which is quite amazing in itself, as it's the first time I see a diet being something I can call a lifestyle. It's more about a few things I liked doing that I now can't because I'm so fat. Also, this problem began to happen when I w...

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Thursday week 2 138.0 So it's one week! To sum it up: (I'll use OCHL like in candles or bars in financial charting, that is open close high low) WEEK 1 O= 139.1C= 138.0 H= 139.1 L= 137.5 Avg= 138.425 1 red day , 4 green , 2 yellow B= 1 apple, omelette with pink ham and brie, 2 spoons of leftover pa...

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Staffy...
congratulations!!!!

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The taste of the ashwaganda is not the best... also, the powder is so thin it goes up your nose (awful). So initially I used to take it with milk, but then again, it takes a second glass either of milk or water to chase it down. It could get into full S territory. The best I think is really to buy s...

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Yes that too. I have taken magnesium supplements for years, but this summer I moved them to the evening, and it helped too. I take them at the same time as the ashwagandha.

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Indeed I am still trying to find my sweet spot...
I'll look Peter Attia up, thank you for the recommendation.
For people like you who are in good general health Longo just suggests to have 1-2 fasts a year, nothing more. I go for once a month only because I think I have to.

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Margot - I thought I saw a question about what I teach -- which is mostly Anatomy & Physiology and Microbiology at our local community college. I am a Physiologist by training. Oh a physiologist! my dad was a physiologist too! ... well then you're in your element when you read up all those case stu...

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For your occasional insomnia I can't recommend enough an ayurvedic plant called ashwagandha. It's saved my sanity! I buy it in bulk from Germany and then put it in capsules. I tried also the KSM66 root extract, that is said to be very good, but I like better my normal bio ashwagandha in bulk. Not on...

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Thank you SAIII. For what it counts I agree with you on IF, while I am considering a monthly 5 days fast, for health purposes, following the research of Valter Longo, Phd. That is a timeframe that allows some of the beneficial effects of fasting to establish, without metabolism being compromised. I ...

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Ivor Cummins has the sweetest irish accent, I could listen to him talk for hours.

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manfa wrote: ↑
Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:05 pm
trying to pull on jeans when you can never dry your legs properly

horrible, ha ha!

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I actually think your idea is smart, because at least you won't gulp down 500 cal in order to lose appetite.

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DAY 7 138.9 kg B= 1/2 bowl of porridge with butter and soy sauce, 1/2 glass of kefir L= mixed salad, 1 wasa with butter and bleu d'auvergne, 1 wasa with sardines in olive oil D= 1 apple, parmentier, tomato salad, 1/2 glass of kefir SUCCESS! I am cooling off on the SLD. Not sure why, this morning it...

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Well...Shangri-La may be promoting flavorless calories, but that is SO NOT what I am doing. I am enjoying very flavorful food with nice healthy satiating fats which make my food taste GREAT. SLD doesn't involve eating flavorless foods throughout the day, it's just once or twice a day you gulp down ...

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Thank you for the encouragement. Yes oils are hot at the moment, everyone loves some oil! (unless it's evil sunflower or alike). I am still puzzled with this SLD idea, because I can't fathom the reason why eating flavor-less calories should lower my setpoint. It's a good thing, anomalies are what br...

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Thinking through this SLD, even though it is a clever idea to pinch my nose as I'm having a meal, I think I'd like to try the oil, taken 1h after breakfast and 1h after dinner. I did some searching today and I found an online bio shop that sold flavor-less bio coconut oil at an affordable price, plu...

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I weigh daily and put the results to Libra app (for android). It automatically balances the ups and downs and shows me the trend. Thank you for mentioning it! I installed it and it is very nice. Love it. I weigh every day for the same reason that Staff Assistant III mentioned, I'd hate to take conc...

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Thank you!
Well what you did was very clever I say, pity it is so unpleasant!

The (sparse) reviews of the 3 apples book mostly focus on how well-thought the plan is, more than on the apples trick.

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Here's a link on the science backing the SLD and setpoint lowering idea

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According to what was reported in the Shangri-La book and the reviews I read on Amazon, people lost completely their cravings for carbs, if they took regularly the flavor-less calories that would lower their setpoint. They would let their favorite chocolate cake get dry over the counter, because the...

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I would like to go swiming too, in the future. What I find cumbersome is to have to dry my hair etc. As a child I used to do agonistic swimming and I remember going out of my training, late afternoon, still kind of humid allover, and step into the dark cold winter, possibly foggy, with red eyes for ...

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AE of course you are correct, and I am sorry to all Wenatcheerians for distorting their name, which is just a delight for my foreign ears. DN here's the link to the book https://www.amazon.com/3-Apple-Day-Plan-Foundation-Permanent-ebook/dp/B000FCK4P4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1549352473&sr=8-1&keywords...

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Today I downloaded this app called Libra to record the weight, it smooths things down wonderfully, it's my new best friend. Do you think I'll come to hate those apples? probably! I love Pink Ladies! a lot of chewing involved with those... I am using Golden Delicious or Gala because find them small. ...

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Yes of course, but the deviation is negligible, especially considering this is a 60 lb drop, no peanuts. It doesn't usually look so neat.

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This is an interesting article by Jason Fung regarding setpoint. It has worked for me after years and years of having to eat less and less to maintain. I started maintenance a few months back at 160 and I am now at 148 and below 25 bmi and eating more calories than ever (but I believe I have shifte...

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Oh he died at 60 of coronary disease? that's not promising...

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It's like an inner thermostat, if the setpoint is high the body will do everything in its power to gain weight (increase appetite and lower metabolism, namely), if the setpoint is low it will do everything it can do lose weight. So it is easy to understand that if you want to lose weight, unless you...

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DAY 5] 138.5 kg[/b] My scale is of a good german brand (Soehnle) but I am so close to its limit of 150 kg that its readings are quite random. This morning I weighed 4 times and I had 4 different readings. I picked the lowest :lol: I am weighing every day just because this gives me more readings and...

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Hello Ari! I am very heavy too! it was a nice surprise to find there is someone like me on the board. I can see you're a bit self-conscious about it, but no need to be. Really, love, it's allright. You're bigger than that lol, pun totally intended! Re: caffeine, it's really a few days of withdrawal,...

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Oh wow! big thing! who do you keep for? And thank you, here sunday is almost at the end, it's been very pleasant, this first S-weekend, and I enjoyed very much the possibility to give myself all things I craved for, guilt-free. I can't remember last time I did such a thing without some regret lurkin...

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My weight loss chart: http://i421.photobucket.com/albums/pp292/ashleighnbailey/WeightLossCharta.jpg [/img] I am so impressed and encouraged by your testimonial! this chart is so amazing, look how you lost weight gradually and inesorably, no plateaus, no ups and downs, just a straight line, bam! not...

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DAY 4
138.7 kg

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Thank you! very glad and excited to be here. I so resonate with this diet.

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My chime-in would be that you eat the same breakfast every N day. My biggest plug is that all meals are pretty much the same every N day (or at least formulaic - such as dinner is always a piece of protein + salad, but protein and salad type vary). This works beautifully for me, but I get that many...

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I say if it makes you want more and more of it, don't use it. If not, a smear of jam is fine. The same number of raisins as you would have grapes is fine. Etc. That's a really great distinction. Love it! At the same time, we have become incredibly used to having sweet-tasting things way more often ...

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DAY 3
138.4 kg

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