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I know what I was doing wrong

Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 5:57 pm
by Mariposa1127
Hi,

I have tried the No S Diet about 20-30 times without any success. I think I know what I was doing wrong. When I would eat my plates of food I would put a lot of junk on them like chips, noodles, bread, cereal, etc. I was reading some information and realized that eating protein and veggies fill you up much more than junk food. So I started an experiment today of making sure that on my plates I have either a protein or a veggie. So far I have had two plates and each had a protein and veggie and I am FULL. Not even thinking about a snack.

:)

Posted: Sat May 17, 2014 12:05 am
by clarinetgal
That works well for me, too! When I make sure to put protein and veggies on my plate, I feel so much fuller! Good job! :D

Posted: Sun May 18, 2014 11:06 pm
by oolala53
I had gone through a lot of legalizing all foods before No S, so I never had N day meals of all processed foods. I rarely have a meal without freggies. For years I had protein at most meals but I guess things have balanced out, as I can be satisfied without always having animal protein now. (For various reasons, I want to cut down.) I need to have a fat, though. Others feel differently. Reinhard has said that when you know you have only three chances a day to get in what you know down deep you need, eventually you start choosing those things.

Glad you've found your right mix for now. And glad you kept giving it a chance!

Re: I know what I was doing wrong

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:28 am
by germanherman
Mariposa1127 wrote:Hi,

When I would eat my plates of food I would put a lot of junk on them like chips, noodles, bread, cereal, etc.
Sorry. That's not junk, just food.

I know that the "new" low-carb hype (anyone remembers atkins...) can lead to the mindset that carbs are bad, but that is just another fad.

The main concept of NoS Diet is moderation. The first step ist the moderation of the amount of food, but why stop there? I apply that to quality, quantities and to costs and rewards.

For myself the problem was always the extreme:

I ate extreme amounts of food! (Now i eat very moderate meals)
I ate extreme amounts of cheap foods! (Now i have moderate amounts of quality and junk foods)
I ate extreme amounts of carbs! (Now Carbs in moderation)
I ate with an extreme speed! (Now: Very slow eating)

But instead of trying to work against my habbits i tamed them by moderation.

I lost around 90 pounds, got a one-digit percentage of body-fat and became an athlete by moderation - And i did it with fast- and junk-food (in moderation :wink: )

So my advice is: Avoid the extremes as much as possible, even the "positive" ones! Avoid the complete deprivation of any kind of food.

Re: I know what I was doing wrong

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 10:38 am
by wosnes
germanherman wrote:
Mariposa1127 wrote:Hi,

When I would eat my plates of food I would put a lot of junk on them like chips, noodles, bread, cereal, etc.
Sorry. That's not junk, just food.
I pretty much agree - also about the extremes. Chips are kind of iffy, but I have them with a meal if I want them.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 2:15 pm
by heatherhikes
germanherman, hello neighbour...assuming you live in Germany... Greetings from the Uetliberg near Zuerich.

I LOVE your post, totalaly agree!

Congrats on your 90 pound w-loss :D :P

Moderation and normal eating ("stink"-normales essen), that're my goals too.
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h

Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 8:16 pm
by oolala53
And the single digit bodyfat.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 9:13 pm
by uschi
I second what Oolala said about including some fat.

It really does fuel you between meals.

I find even just whole milk in coffee goes a long way in satiating me between meals-- a No-S loophole, to my mind, but I'll take it!

Not too many generations back, our ancestors would have been aghast at what we trim and toss-- chicken skin, bacon fat. Not to mention low fat and nonfat foods that have become the "healthy" default.

Posted: Wed May 21, 2014 10:08 pm
by oolala53
True, but food in general was much harder to come by.

If I had never gained and then lost weight, I think I could tolerate more food without gaining weight, and it would definitely be fat I would include more of. I still like my starches, so I'm careful with fat. I still do eat some low and no-fat items, but I usually add walnuts, avocado, flaxmeal, olives, or the like when I do.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:39 am
by germanherman
heatherhikes wrote:germanherman, hello neighbour...assuming you live in Germany... Greetings from the Uetliberg near Zuerich.

I LOVE your post, totalaly agree!

Congrats on your 90 pound w-loss :D :P

Moderation and normal eating ("stink"-normales essen), that're my goals too.
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h
Hallo 900-Kilometer entfernte Nachbarin ;). Grüße zurück aus Oldenburg, nahe Bremen.

Thank you for your kind words and best luck for your own goals.
oolala53 wrote:And the single digit bodyfat.
Plz. remember: I’m a male in his early thirties. No “sane†woman should target such low amounts of bodyfat.
To be complete honest, I linger between 8% and 14% over the course of a year, depending on how hard I train. But I don’t really care for that percentage. I just want to be fit and I liked to challenge myself from time to time.
Seems remarkable, that moderation (in form of No S + Shovelglove + Urban Ranger) made me enjoy sports so much, that I sometimes have to avoid extremes there.

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 9:35 am
by eschano
Germanherman and Heatherhikes: Hallo!

No wonder I like your posts so much - all cultural DACH (Germany, Austria, Switzerland) directness and no-fuss.

Just wanted to say that I love both of your posts. And having followed germanherman for a while: you're a big inspiration!

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 12:59 pm
by oolala53
germanherman, you don't have to worry about this woman aiming at single digit bodyfat or even the teens. But even for a man, 9% is impressive, esp. since it's basically a side effect. Those poor guys slaving for it!

Re: I know what I was doing wrong

Posted: Thu May 22, 2014 5:10 pm
by Flor
wosnes wrote:
germanherman wrote:
Mariposa1127 wrote:Hi,

When I would eat my plates of food I would put a lot of junk on them like chips, noodles, bread, cereal, etc.
Sorry. That's not junk, just food.
I pretty much agree - also about the extremes. Chips are kind of iffy, but I have them with a meal if I want them.
It also depends on if we're talking US or UK "chips". Homemade British chips I don't qualify as 'treat food', because they're thick-cut, so the potato-to-oil ratio is higher than with US-style French fries, and if you do it properly there's really not that much oil left on them. Would I eat them every day? No (for a start I don't have a deep-fat fryer :lol:). But I'm perfectly happy to eat them as my starch at a given meal.

To address the OP, it's not that there's anything wrong with those foods so much as they shouldn't be the only foods in a meal. I'm finding that if I *don't* have a starch in my meals I struggle to make it to the next one, but likewise if I eat only starches and I'll be foraging in the fridge in the next hour.