Where does milk fit in??

[Nossuzy]

I am assuming milk is only to be drunk with a meal otherwise it is a snack?

What about low fat chocolate milk? S day only or can it be had with a meal on N-days?

[NoelFigart]

LMAO.... Your sig is great!

Here's where you get to apply your rules. Do you think chocolate milk is a sweet?

[reinhard]

Milk, even whole milk (the only kind I drink) is fine any time.

(I give a whole milk pep talk on pages 55-56 of the book, if you're interested)

Chocolate milk, however, seems to fall rather squarely into the category of sweets...

Reinhard

[Nossuzy]

Yeah, I guess I knew that is what you would say about the chocolate milk.

I don't really like drinking milk, just having it in my cereal so I guess I was hoping that if I was starving and dinner was a ways off, i could have a glass of chocolate milk.... But I pretty much knew the answer to that one unfortunately... lol..

I work 12 hour days three days a week and yesterday was my first No S diet day at work.. I have to be to work by 6 am so I eat breakfast early, then lunch always comes early and then I am starving for dinner but can't really eat until 7pm. So I am a little worried about the work days but this is still the EASIEST AND MOST ENJOYABLE so-called diet ever!!!!!

I have to remember it's not bad to feel hungry. For some reason being hungry makes me a little panicky.

[wosnes]

Lordie, good thing I gave up drinking chocolate milk eons ago (as a child, it was the only way my parents could get me to drink milk).

But honestly, I don't see why chocolate milk would be a sweet. Yes, it has more sugar than white milk, but certainly no more than jams or jellies or sweetened yogurt. I don't see how when chocolate syrup or the equivalent is mixed with a glass of milk, it would derive most of it's calories from sugar.

And then again, I could be all wrong!

[Nossuzy]

Wosnes, I like your way of thinking!!!! lol.

But I don't want to bend the rules, even a little because I am the kind of person who will start to abuse the rules if given a little wiggle room...

So i guess it's an s day treat for me

[lmt2pt]

It's not the sugar that makes chocolate milk a sweet. It's whether it is sweet enough to be considered a dessert. If it was a solid form it would be pudding, definately a dessert. If you make it yourself and don't put enough chocolate in it to make it that sweet then it isn't a sweet.

Remember, there is no specific measurement for "sweet". We each need to define it for ourselves. (But I do believe most of us, if we are really honest with ourselves would call it a sweet)

[eizzo]

I work 12 hour days three days a week and yesterday was my first No S diet day at work.. I have to be to work by 6 am so I eat breakfast early, then lunch always comes early and then I am starving for dinner but can't really eat until 7pm. So I am a little worried about the work days but this is still the EASIEST AND MOST ENJOYABLE so-called diet ever!!!!!

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I have the same problem with the length of my work day...I leave for work at about 6:45, I get home from work generally at 6:00 ish. It is a long day. The only good part is that I can eat breakfast at work BUT it has to be something i can carry with me OR buy at a fastfood place. I have been eating lunch as late in the day as possible, dinner about 7. GO to bed early. LOL night feeder here. I do this all week.

How are you working out your eating schedule

[wosnes]

Here's where you get to apply your rules. Do you think chocolate milk is a sweet?

I agree with Noel. I've never considered chocolate milk a treat or a sweet and certainly not on a par with chocolate pudding. I still won't drink milk that isn't flavored -- only now I usually flavor it with coffee -- kind of a cafe au lait. I don't even consider hot chocolate a dessert (unless it's loaded with marshmallows).

Chocolate milk in it's solid form wouldn't be chocolate pudding. What it would be is something that needed more chocolate and more sugar to be chocolate pudding.

I guess I disagree with Reinhard on this one.

[NoelFigart]

Here's where you get to apply your rules. Do you think chocolate milk is a sweet?

I agree with Noel.

Sorry, my absurd face wasn't showing.

I actually agree with Reinhard. I think chocolate milk is a sweet. The emphasizing of the word chocolate was meant to bring that to the forefront and I did a poor job of it.

As far as I am concerned, chocolate anything is a sweet to be looked forward to on an S day. In my mind chocolate is a treat.

I consider a martini an N day drink and an appletini an S day drink by similar criteria. Apple pucker is awfully sweet.

[wosnes]

Here's where you get to apply your rules. Do you think chocolate milk is a sweet?

Well, actually I was agreeing with the fact that you get to apply your rules. Like I said, I've never considered chocolate milk a sweet or a treat. Likewise, I don't consider chocolate pudding thick chocolate milk.

[NoelFigart]

Well, actually I was agreeing with the fact that you get to apply your rules.

Gotcha. Sorry, I misunderstood.

[wosnes]

There are a lot of foods, chocolate being one of them, that can be sweet or savory or a flavoring, or something to be consumed daily or that can be part of a sweet treat/dessert. Fruit, for instance. They can play dual roles.

[lmt2pt]

Oh, lord. I never meant to start such a debate with the chocolate milk/chocolate pudding comparison. After years calorie counting I just remember them being similar in calorie/sugar content and they taste equally sweet to me. I never intended for it to be such a sticking point.

[sandooch]

I haven't read all of the book yet, but I am glad to hear that we can have a glass of milk to tide us over if we need it. I love milk!

[Mavilu]

Well, do you drink it every day or just a couple of times a week?.

From the No S Diet page:
"I wouldn't worry too much about borderline foods like yoghurt and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches. If these are a problem for you, i.e., you eat them every day and lay it on thick, then make them esses. If not, don't. Just by targeting the really egregious offenders you'll be cutting out a lot of calories."

I stick to this principle when having honey over my peanut butter; yes, is purely sugar, but I have it only a couple of times a week it's the only sugar I have during N days, it is only a small part of my meal (bread, milk and peanut butter make the bulk of it) and no, I can't go without it, just bread and peanut butter won't do.

If you drink a lot of chocolate milk and you make your chocolate milk so that it is definitely very strongly sweet, either tone it down or reserve it for S days, if you drink it occasionally and it's more milk than chocolate syrup, well, it's up to you to decide wether you count it as "sweets" or not.
I wouldn't.

[Nossuzy]

Eizzo - I work at a hospital, so thankfully there is a cafeteria where you can get a pretty healthy lunch, full salad bar, soups, sandwiches, and it actually lists the calories of most of the things!!! Which I know we don't need with this diet, but I still like to try to load my plates with heathier versions of the things I like. They have breakfast too - But I tend to just bring a bag of cereal to much on and a yogurt (That would fit on one plate of course!!!! LOL)

[Nossuzy]

Oh, and I leave for work at 5:30 in the morning and I don't get home until about 6:45...

I am going to do the milk thing if I feel like I can't make it in the afternoon. We also have a fully stocked kitchen on our floor (labor and delivery) so the employees are welcome to help themselves too. They have little cartons of milk like we got for snack time in grade school.

[jules]

My occasional chocolate milk treat comes from a glass of 2% milk mixed with Nestle/Carnation Chocolate Malted Milk. Much less sweet than chocolate syrup. And, because it's made from malted barley & wheat flour, there's actually some fiber in it.

But I know that malted milk isn't for everyone becuase when I was young, my mother tried to convince me that I didn't like chocolate ice cream malts -- because, apparently, she didn't like malt. LOL!

jules

[lola628]

I can see why there is a chocolate milk debate because there are some chocolate milks that seem very lightly sweetened and almost bland, yet when you look at Nesquick (sugar shock!!) and Yoohoo it's just plain TOXIC.

But then you have the Soy Chocolate milk (Soy Slender) -- that stuff is fantastic, no sugar shock from that....

I would consider all chocolate milk an S food though....cuz it's chocolate!