Linda's daily check-in

Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by margot17 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 8:25 am

It wasn't me who wrote it, I had to google the sq ft, but congratulations it's a big house!

Would you be open to move the meal of the day to lunch for a while, or would it be too inconvenient? I remember when I listened to their very good podcast, one of the 2 keto dudes, who did OMAD, changed from dinner to lunch, and it made a great difference for him.

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:25 am

Oops sorry Margot! This new format messes me up! I bet id do good with like a 2pm-4 pm window but I have a hard time of letting go of family meal time. I feel like I will be able to experiment more once my girls are off to college 😢. I just really want them to see me eating “normally “ as much as possible.

Today did not go as planned. Hormones have me wanting to eat everything in sight. Im really afraid of gaining all the weight back. Tomorrow will be better.
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:19 am

Do you think, Id gain weight back if I went back to NoS vanilla? Im feeling so burnt out on fasting lately. :/
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by nonoodles » Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:01 pm

I pretty much never comment but love the vibe and philosophy of this board, and find a lot of the people and their journeys interesting and inspirational. And you are one of them!
As to fasting, from what I can see from your posts, it just doesn’t appear to be working for you anymore, and does seem to be causing you lots of stress. Maybe just try to lock in your losses and mix it up again.
There is no law that says you have to eat one way for the rest of your life!
I have had years of vegan, vegetatarian, low fat, low carb and they each felt good in their time and kept my weight in check AS LONG AS I cut the snacking, sugar, junky food and giant portions (ie seconds:) I think the framework of no s is pretty perfect, except for the s day concept. If you can follow the Sometimes part it’s great, but for me it just keeps the bad habits going strong. But that’s just me.
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Soprano » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:19 pm

I've thought for a while you might not be eating enough now. Nos would be a great way to start but you might have to be prepared for some increase in weight while your body adjusts.

So I'd say 3 meals but watch portion sizes and composition.

You've done great so far just don't panic

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Staff Assistant III » Wed Mar 27, 2019 1:47 pm

Hi Linda!

I'm currently doing NoS in a limted eating window....after reading much of the Circadian Code, I think a 10 hour window mainly during the day works well for me. I am in a norma weight range but would love to be a little lower on the scale, and this seems to combine the best of both. I did fast for several months lost (never more than a 1/2 lb a week but that's normal for me on any plan) but felt that OMAD didn't work well for me for various reasons.

Maybe a hybrid would work?
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Kathleen » Wed Mar 27, 2019 5:47 pm

Linda,
Don't take it as a failure of willpower that you are feeling burned out on fasting. Maybe it is your body that has had enough, and it is best to listen to it. I tried an eating window of 12 hours and gained back 10 of the 15 pounds I had lost with a 7 hour window, so now I am back to the 7 hour eating window. We are all different and have to figure out what works for us. From reading your story, I think it might work for you to lengthen your eating window from OMAD and allow your body to adjust to the lower weight you realized through fasting. Life is short. You have kids at home. Years from now, you may be happy that you enjoyed these years with your kids. One of our children is married. This year, we will drive total of 21 hours to spend 6 hours seeing her get her master's degree, we will fly to Oregon to spend a weekend with her where she has an internship, and we will see her for a few days at Christmas. Yes, we are in frequent contact with her, but personal time together is so limited. Do I regret how much time I spent on dieting? Yes.
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PS. When I am walking at the gym, I listen to podcasts and today I listened to the beginning of a podcast on intermittent fasting in which the person being interviewed said that there can be paradoxical effects (not expected) from intermittent fasting especially in women, negative effects like a rise in the stress hormone cortisol. Podcast is from the Broken Brain Podcast by Dhru Purohit: "Biohacking for Better Health: Intermittent Fasting, Ketogenic Diet and Lab Testing with Robin Berzin."
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:25 pm

Thanks you guys so much for the support, compassion and advice. Well I had a piece of toast at 10:30 am and didn’t suddenly gain 20 lbs. I walked the dogs, did my weight routine and just felt really hungry. I thought this is ridiculous, I should be able to have a piece of toast without it being such a big deal.

It sucks because I really really thought IF was the answer for me, but I guess in the end it was just another stupid diet? Idk, I feel kind of stupid and mostly I’m embarrassed. My biggest fear is gaining back weight and seeing those ppl that showered me with compliments but maybe I won’t gain. And let’s face it, I’m already gaining weight (up to 163 lbs today) so I don’t know if it matters what I do or don’t do as far as that goes.

I cried today thinking how much abuse my body has been through. It’s just trying to do its best. It’s been through so dang much with so much extreme dieting and exercising followed my overeating and underexercising and just so much daily judgement no matter what it does.

I know NoS is the answer to all these extremes but I will just never be an “acceptable “ weight with moderation. Oh well , what other option do I have ? Not any good ones.

I think I’ll give myself the option of doing NoS but letting me have that first meal as late as feels good and give myself the option of skipping meals if I want but the point is my 3 plates are there if I need them. I do know I can never go back to unstructured S days again so will need a plan for that. *Sigh*
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:55 am

Nono: well I’m glad ypu did comment because what you said made a lot of sense. You’re right, IF definitely just is not working for me anymore. I cant believe i was so blind to it but I guess I just really wanted to make it work. I agree about the S days too. Mine never calmed dowm. I guess it’s back to the basics.

Soprano: Thank you, you’re right I can’t panic. Just time to regroup.

Staffy: I think I’ll beopen to pushing breakfast back or even just skipping it depending upon how Im feeling but I just cant have any hard rules with fasting right now. It really seemed to be causing me some backlash behaviors. Weird that it took this long for them to start to come out. I really loved fasting for awhile.

Kathleen: i know it’s crazy how much time and energy Ive put into losing weight. I guess what was most disturbing to me is that I was starting to have old unhealthy behaviors pop up like near bingeing and obsessive thoughts. I really havent gone down that road in many years. And you’re right, time with our children is precious. Anything that takes from that isnt worh it.

Sooo i dont really know what I’m doing but I’ll figure it out.


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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Soprano » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:06 am

Have you measured yourself, you are doing some good exercise it might not be fat you are gaining.

How many calories in a froyo bar?

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by margot17 » Thu Mar 28, 2019 6:45 am

I can't believe I feel so heartbroken for someone who weighs 150-60 lb... :wink:
Hope things will resolve soon for you! Maybe you have stalled at this weight for enough time for it to have become a setpoint, and you won't gain weight easily. I certainly wish that for you. Get some WELL-DESERVED refeeding phase! then you'll think what to do next with a clearer mind. A hug.

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by automatedeating » Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:33 pm

Sometimes I have a weekend of big eating and I'm shocked at how little I actually gain (I mean, a couple pounds maybe, but not scary horrible). So having a food-fest once in a while is probably good for resting our willpower muscles.

I think you may be on to something. Plateaus are not very motivating, you know?
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:29 pm

Thanks you guys! It’s really not so much about the weight as it is about the disordered behaviors for me. I know that’s hard to believe for someone so seemingly focused on the scale but im just so relieved to be away from all that overly restrictive mindset. It was starting to put me back in that scary starve/binge cycle that i havent been since my 20s. Also, the obsessive pre-nos thinking was back in full force. IF was the first thing I thought about in the morning and the usually last thing I thought about each night. Not healthy!

Btw, I realize IF is great for many, many ppl. I think those of us with disordered tendencies just need to proceed with caution however.

Im going to figure this out—really! ☺️
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by automatedeating » Thu Mar 28, 2019 3:55 pm

Hello again - somehow I was replying to an earlier comment you had made when you were still trying to work the IF plan. Then I saw I had missed a crapload of posts this week and my comment didn't really fit with the more recent stuff.

Nonoodles - you should post more often! I second what Linda said - you make a lot of sense and it's fun to have people join the convo.

Linda - I think waiting until you are actually hungry to eat is perfect. It might be 9am or 10am or noon - whatever you know?

Anyway, of course you'll figure it out! You always do!
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:12 pm

Thanks for the vote of confidence auto and yes things are happening rapidly on my thread over the last couple of days! Not to be dramatic but I kind of feel like i woke up from a long dream! ☺️
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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by lpearlmom » Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:33 am

Soprano: I used to measure myself every month but haven’t for awhile. I bet some of the gain is from the weight lifting though. I also think the gain will stop now that Im not having backlash eating from IF. Oh, 90 calories in a froyo bar but no way am i going back to counting calories. ☺️

Margot: thanks so much. Im hoping my weight stays here. I’m feeling pretty done with trying to lose more. Not worth the damage to my mental health.

Today was SO good! Feels really good not having to worry about milk in my tea or whether or chewing gum will break my fast. In the end it was just too restrictive for me I guess.

We’re getting our new dishwasher delivered tomorrow. Im excited—its the little things i guess. 😁



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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Soprano » Fri Mar 29, 2019 5:57 am

I wasn't for one minute going to suggest counting calories :)

But being aware of the fact you are eating a 270 cal dessert on a regular basis might be useful :)

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Octavia » Fri Mar 29, 2019 9:57 am

Hi Linda,
How are you today? Hope you are feeling positive and excited about starting a new phase of life. And enjoying your well-deserved toast. It seems to me that IF has been great for you, and you’ve achieved a lot, but most things outlive their usefulness after a while and maybe it’s just the natural way of things, that you’re ready for a different approach. Nothing stays the same, and maybe IF has morphed into something that you’ve had the wisdom to recognise is no longer working. You’ve done it properly, for long enough, to get a good idea of the strengths and weaknesses of the system. So you should feel satisfied and proud! :) So many people dabble with these systems and have to rely on experts to point out the long-term pros and cons. But not ipearlmom, oh no! She does it right! She goes on that quest and learns for herself! :)

I sometimes wonder if there’s too much emphasis on ‘permanent’ success (in dieting or anything...) - yet we all know that nothing is permanent...life is a constant process of tweaking, changing path, adapting....in our relationships, families, hobbies, careers, health, everything. Like nonoodles said, these phases of eating behaviour can all be great while they last...maybe this isn’t a failure for IF, but simply a natural end.

Anyway, keep posting and let us know your new direction! X

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Post by lpearlmom » Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:13 pm

Octavia thank you for your thoughtful response and that’s a nice positive spin on everything. Well I can’t speak for others, I can say that for me it wasn’t only not working for me anymore but leading to very unhealthy, disordered behaviors. I see these same behaviors are rampant on the IF boards so that’s worrisome too but like I said I can only speak to my experience.

Yup, Im quite aware of how much Im eating and know how to multiply 90x3 but thanks for that. I’m no longer going to list my food intake. That was just to calm me, not for others to scrutinize.
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Post by margot17 » Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:50 pm

lpearlmom wrote:
Fri Mar 29, 2019 1:13 pm
Unfortunately, I can see all to clearly now that for the majority of ppl, IF leads to disordered eating.
Wow that's quite an insight, they sure don't tell you on youtube of this shadow aspect to IF.

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Kathleen » Fri Mar 29, 2019 2:07 pm

Hi Linda,

IF led to binge eating when I tried 3 36 hour fasts per week, when I tried OMAD, when I tried a 4 hour eating window, and even when I tried a 6 hour eating window. I did not lose weight with an 8 hour eating window and gained weight with a 12 hour eating window. That's why I settled on a 7 hour eating window. This is my story. Yours is different. OMAD did not work for you long term. Maybe lengthening your eating window could. I don't think it is necessarily the idea of IF that leads to disordered eating. I think it may be the length of the eating window that must be tweaked for each individual.

What I believe may be the indicator of a person who would be successful with IF is that it is easy to not eat but it is difficult to stop eating.

We are all rooting for you. We can give your our thoughts and share our experiences and wish you the best. You have done great. It may be that your body wants a little recovery time from the stress of OMAD.

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Octavia » Fri Mar 29, 2019 4:22 pm

...you’ve really got this, Linda, and I certainly do think something positive will come from your new insights. Sounds like this style of eating did lead you to some problematic and maybe scary areas, and it’s good that you’ve identified it before it got worse. And you have the safety net of basic No S to fall back on. Despite my own ups and downs, I still think the vanilla system is great for staying sane! Sending hugs x

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by 3squaremeals » Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:07 am

Hi Linda

Sorry to hear that IF hasn't worked out for you. I have to admit that I occasionally get caught up in the restrictive eating pattern of IF and the clean fasting camp. IF only ever works for me when I do it Kayla's way, nice and relaxed by allowing myself milk in my tea and coffee and not cutting food groups. As soon as I start thinking about clean fasting and clean eating I start binging. The last few days have been really bad binge days for me, which hasn't happened in ages. I need to stop thinking about clean eating/fasting and get myself back to where I was as I felt in a good place with food. I feel OMAD is the only way for me because once I start eating I can't seem to stop unless of course I make it to my main meal then I have no problem stopping.

At the end of the day you have to do what works for you and if No S is what works then that is great or even a more relaxed approach to IF then that is also great. Disordered eating is awful, I completely understand how you feel xx

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Post by automatedeating » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:04 pm

Here I come in again after missing a boatload of comments. Not surprisingly, I found myself wanting to cut and paste a lot of Octavia's.
Nothing stays the same, and maybe IF has morphed into something that you’ve had the wisdom to recognise is no longer working.
Yes! Or even just a break after which someone can return to something later.
I sometimes wonder if there’s too much emphasis on ‘permanent’ success (in dieting or anything...) - yet we all know that nothing is permanent...life is a constant process of tweaking, changing path, adapting....in our relationships, families, hobbies, careers, health, everything. Like nonoodles said, these phases of eating behaviour can all be great while they last...maybe this isn’t a failure for IF, but simply a natural end.
Really quite poetic. Linda, perhaps you can do like Marie Kondo and pat your IF ideas and thank them for their time with you before taking them to the thrift store. :lol: :lol:
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Post by margot17 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:28 pm

Marie Kondo :lol:

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by margot17 » Tue Apr 02, 2019 2:19 pm

Hey Linda is it all fine with you? how is your refeeding going? do tell us!
wish you all the best!

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by Larkspur » Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:46 pm

Seconding Octavia's lovely remarks-- trying new things is not necessarily bad-- you probably learned a lot in this process. If nothing else, your experience led me to some changes which have been lasting (so far) and quite helpful for both me and my husband :)

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Re: Linda's daily check-in

Post by nonoodles » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:48 pm

Hi Linda. It’s me, the Lurker :) I miss your posts! And I miss your girls and your food and your thoughts about anything and everything. Come back!!

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