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Counting carbs/calories is a drag. Obsessive scale stepping is a recipe for despair. If you want to count something, "days on habit" is a much better metric. Checking off days on a calendar would do just fine, but if you do it here you get accountability and support. Here's how. Start a new topic in this forum called (say) "Your Name Daily Check In." Then every N day post a "reply" to that topic as to whether you stayed on habit. A simple "<font color="green">SUCCESS</font>" or "<font color="red">FAILURE</font>" (or your preferred euphemism if that's too harsh) is sufficient, but obviously you're welcome to write more if you want. On S-days just register that you're taking an S-day. You don't have to do this forever, just until you're confident you've built the habit. Feel free to check in weekly or monthly or sporadically instead of daily. Feel free also to track other habits besides No-s (I'm keeping this forum under No-s because that's what the vast majority are using it for). See also my <a href="/habitcal/">HabitCal</a> tool for another more formal (and perhaps complementary) way to track habits.

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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:00 pm

Today I'm working on my Courage.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:41 pm

Image I come to No S daily while I continue to work on maintaining my weight-loss.
For my thoughts today, SEE:
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Post by NoSnacker » Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:17 pm

I'll have to visit your site. Thanks for the comment on my finding insight on if I snack I binge...no matter what...I try every time only to fail.

Hence, Mon-Fri works well for me, eat enough and no snacks..has set me on a binge free life....if only I could tame my S days....

Have a great Sunday!
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Post by NoSnacker » Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:33 pm

I tried your muffin that you make in the microwave...very tasty and nice and warm!
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:37 pm

NoSnacker wrote:I tried your muffin that you make in the microwave...very tasty and nice and warm!

NoSnacker, I'm so pleased that you liked it. Image
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Post by NoSRocks » Tue Aug 16, 2011 9:33 pm

Been checking out your recipes, too. They look great! Thanks for creating such a great website. Can't wait to try out the microwave oven muffin - it looks delicious and easy to prepare too (Always a bonus in my book - :D )
Have a great day! :D
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Aug 16, 2011 10:09 pm

NoSRocks wrote:Been checking out your recipes, too. They look great! Thanks for creating such a great website. Can't wait to try out the microwave oven muffin - it looks delicious and easy to prepare too (Always a bonus in my book - :D )
Have a great day! :D
Thanks NoSRocks,
I think you will like the microwave muffin.
It is a real favorite of mine.
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Playlist of Positive Thoughts

Post by BrightAngel » Sat Aug 20, 2011 2:10 pm

Image The article below contains a link to a playlist of thoughts
which is helping to focus my mind on the positive.

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Post by BrightAngel » Mon Aug 22, 2011 3:11 pm

Image Here is my latest recipe video.
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Sep 01, 2011 1:42 pm

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Today I quoted a No S member in DietHobby
and gave the No S Diet a mention.
See:

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=297

Don't forget, you still have the ability to add a comment
about your own personal experience with No S
to the Comment Section of the Original Review of No S.
This is a section that I will continue to reference at DietHobby.
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Sep 06, 2011 2:03 pm

Image Some thoughts about Habits,
and my new recipe, Crispy White Pizza.
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Sep 13, 2011 1:29 pm

Image I'm having this for lunch today.
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Sep 20, 2011 12:59 pm

Image Having this for Breakfast together with plain Greek Yogurt.
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Oct 06, 2011 12:32 pm

Image Even when following the No S Diet,
Portion control is necessary to lose or maintain a normal weight.
Some people are tall, young, and active enough
so that the 3 meal 1 plate guideline provides enough portion control.
Others are like me, who need to consciously use
more careful portion control in addition to the basic guidelines,
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Post by BrightAngel » Sun Oct 16, 2011 1:49 am

:shock: Sometimes circumstances seem outside our control.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:45 pm

Hi guys, this is something I like a lot.

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Post by BrightAngel » Sat Nov 19, 2011 4:07 pm

An old favorite recipe... which is REALLY, REALLY good,
and acceptable in small amounts. :wink:


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Post by BrightAngel » Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:50 pm

My latest cooking video is a very healthy low calorie recipe
that I frequently have on cold January days.
:D
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Jan 31, 2012 12:51 pm

:P Sharing another of my easy-recipe, low-calorie,cooking videos.
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Contents of Directory of DietHobby

Post by BrightAngel » Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:08 pm

Image Many of you already know that
I've been a member of this No S forum for the past 4 years,
and that last year I started a compatible website, named DietHobby.
Some of you might be interested in checking it out,
so here is a recent article with an overview.

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Another No S Effort

Post by BrightAngel » Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:20 am

:roll: Today, Monday July 9, 2012, I re-read Reinhard's book... again...
This is my Day 1 of the No S. Diet,
because I'm going to make another attempt at developing a zero snacking habit.
I will, of course, continue tracking my food in my computer software journal.
Good luck to me, and to all of you.
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Post by mimi » Mon Jul 16, 2012 11:28 am

Hi Bright Angel,
I am growing very near (10 pounds away) my goal weight and am beginning to think seriously about how I will go about maintaining that loss - something which I've never been able to do. I have been formulating a plan on how I will go about it, and would like to hear any input you might have since you are one of the few folks who has been successful at maintaining your weight loss. Here's the plan at this point:
I am once again going to consult myfitnesspal.com, enter in my final weight, and see how many calories I can consume daily to maintain that weight. Then, once again, I will track my calories for a few weeks to get a feel for the volume of food at each meal that I may consume. I will also figure in my weekly exercise routines. I don't plan to change my three meal habit or my S-day routine, just add foods or increase the portions to fill the plate a little fuller at meals. This short tracking approach worked to help me use NoS to lose weight. Now I will be looking to it to help me maintain the loss. I am a very visual person and I needed to see what "weight loss" plates looked like for me on a day-to-day basis in order to lose weight. Now I feel that I also need to see what "maintenance plates" should look like to help me in the battle to maintain.
Thoughts or advice?

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Post by BrightAngel » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:12 pm

mimi wrote: Here's the plan at this point:
I am once again going to consult myfitnesspal.com, enter in my final weight, and see how many calories I can consume daily to maintain that weight. Then, once again, I will track my calories for a few weeks to get a feel for the volume of food at each meal that I may consume. I will also figure in my weekly exercise routines. I don't plan to change my three meal habit or my S-day routine, just add foods or increase the portions to fill the plate a little fuller at meals. This short tracking approach worked to help me use NoS to lose weight. Now I will be looking to it to help me maintain the loss. I am a very visual person and I needed to see what "weight loss" plates looked like for me on a day-to-day basis in order to lose weight. Now I feel that I also need to see what "maintenance plates" should look like to help me in the battle to maintain.
Thoughts or advice?

Mimi :D
ImageCongratulations, Mimi,
it looks to me as though you have a good plan for starting out in maintenance.
You've put some thought into it,
and made it individual for you, which I believe is very important .
Although we all have things in common,
none of us is exactly the same, or is at the exact same stage of life.

The most surprising thing for me about maintenance
was how very little difference there is between the stages of weight-loss and maintenance.
I heard it, and I knew it in my head, but I didn't really believe it in my heart.
Many of my DietHobby website articles talk about this issue,
and if you are interested in this subject, check out the Archieves
and read some of them.
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Aug 14, 2012 2:09 pm

:!: Here is quite an unusual post showing detailed food-intake records
for me over a period of THE PAST 8 YEARS

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=642
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Post by BrightAngel » Fri Aug 31, 2012 1:27 pm

Post Below has been copied here for quick Reference:
Periwinkle wrote:NoS -- as a way of maintenance.
I've lost almost 60 pounds on a doctor-supervised high-protein liquid diet.
I'm looking for a maintenance plan that I can stick with.
I've always been an overeater/constant grazer,
and I know I need some "rules" to reign in my natural tendencies.

If NoS is causing people to lose all this weight,
then it seems like it might cause too much portion control for maintenance.
So do you increase your plate size?!
I guess I'm just struggling with that leap of faith--it sounds too good to be true.

So...anyone maintaining? How's it going?
When you go back on food, you will be amazed at how VERY LITTLE food
it will take for you to maintain your weight loss;
how quickly old habits surface, and how hungry you will feel.

Once I lost about 100 lbs on a Dr Supervised high-protein liquid diet,
but when I went back on food, I regained it all within 4 months --
despite frequent attempts at heavy-duty diet braking action.

I've lost 100 lbs on 3 occasions, and from 30 to 50 lbs many, many times.
For about 8 years I've been maintaining in my normal weight range.
My current weight-loss is not due to No S,
but from tracking calories while restricting, long-term.

However, for several years, I've been very interested,
and experimenting with, some of the No S eating habit concepts,
and I've been actively participating here on the forum for the past 4 years.
If you are interested in learning more details,
check out my "About Me" page on my personal website:
http://www.diethobby.com/index.php?n=11&id=10

I wish you great success at maintaining your weight-loss,
and think that No S has a lot to offer you,
but there's No Diet Magic involved,
and of course,
you will not be able to eat the same caloric amounts that Reinhard eats
& maintain your weight-loss.

You might be interested in reading my No S review,
together with responsive comments from No S members.
SEE: http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=55
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More about No S and Intuitive eating

Post by BrightAngel » Thu Nov 01, 2012 4:32 pm

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A post in the main Discussion Group inspired me to post this article on DietHobby.
http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=700
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Post by BrightAngel » Wed Dec 12, 2012 3:50 pm

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eschano wrote:Hi BrightAngel,
it was interesting to read your article. http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=732
-- it seems to go against some of the pillars of NoS.
3 meals a day doesn't seem to be more of a restriction than any of my naturally skinny friends eat.
They really don't eat that much more than me right now while I'm losing.

So maybe your article is mainly about people who have lost weight on a crash diet?
Am I missing the point?

I'd be interested to know what you think.
eschano,
I support the No S concepts, and have been here for almost 5 years.
This article is not FOR or AGAINST any one particular diet,
... however, it is supportive of No S concepts, and is right in line with Reinhard's book,
especially Reinhard's concepts of doing the BEHAVIOR,
then accepting whatever weight RESULTS from it ....

Learning about the way one's own biology influences us with regard to food and weight issues
helps make sense out of our dieting struggles, and provides us
with a better understanding of the challenges that many overweight / obese people face.

Reading the article shows that people have different biologies,
and we are not all the same. There are lean people who have no difficulty,
there are obese, and reduced obese people who have great difficulty,
and there are many people whose bodies operate between those two areas of difficulty.

Here at No S, people come in all types.
Everyone isn't just like me, and everyone isn't just like you.
We all need to be understanding and compassionate ..
both of ourselves, AND of those who are different from ourselves.

The article mentions many, many different diets and ways-of-eating.
Some diets bring fast weight-loss and some slow weight-loss.
My own personal information can be found in on DietHobby (click link in my signature) .
See ABOUT ME under RESOURCES.

To Summarize, between 271 lbs and 160 lbs, (20 years ago) my own personal weight-loss
averaged about 2 lbs a week while averaging around 500-800 daily calories.
and then about 10 years later, between 190 lbs and my current goal weight range ...
(I am very short, only 5'0" and now weigh at the top of the "normal" weight range)
... my average weight-loss was about 1 lb per week - averaging 1220 daily calories.

I have been recording all my food in a computer food journal every day, for the past 8 year period.
In the past 7 years in my goal weight range, any weight-loss I've accomplished
during periods of dieting for weight-loss, has averaged LESS than 1/4 lb a week.
For the past four years, I've been eating an average of about 1050 daily calories
While doing this, my weight has crept up from the 112-115 range to the 122-125 range, for a 10 lb weight-gain.

There are no answers Set in Stone for Everyone.
The article talks about research that has already been done,
and research is still ongoing.

It could be that after fast weight-loss the body operates differently than after slow weight-loss.
At present, most Experts think this is NOT true, but there is ongoing research to test that issue out.

The quote below deals with the issue of "fast" weight loss vs. "slow" weight loss.
"One question many researchers think about is
whether losing weight more slowly would make it more sustainable
than the fast weight loss often used in scientific studies.
Leibel says the pace of weight loss is unlikely to make a difference,
because the body’s warning system is based solely on how much fat a person loses,
not how quickly he or she loses it.
Even so, Proietto is now conducting a study using a slower weight-loss method
and following dieters for three years instead of one.

Given how hard it is to lose weight, it’s clear, from a public-health standpoint,
that resources would best be focused on preventing weight gain.
The last line of this quote reminds me of things that Reinhard has repeatedly said
both here on the forum, and in his book about establishing Habits,
and eating in moderation, then accepting the weight that follows.
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Post by eschano » Thu Dec 13, 2012 10:41 am

BrightAngel wrote:Copied from General Discussion Thread Reading the article shows that people have different biologies,
and we are not all the same. There are lean people who have no difficulty,
there are obese, and reduced obese people who have great difficulty,
and there are many people whose bodies operate between those two areas of difficulty.

Here at No S, people come in all types.
Everyone isn't just like me, and everyone isn't just like you.[/color]
That's exactly why I reacted to your article because I didn't get that feeling at all from it - that everyone is different. Rather that everyone has the same issue in varying degrees. But happy to see that that's what you meant. I responded in more detail in General discussion.
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Dec 13, 2012 3:29 pm

Copied from a General Discussion Thread
eschano wrote:Hi BrightAngel, thanks for clarifying some points in this.

I'm still not convinced about the fact that it changes people's bodies permanently,
I'm not sure if there was enough research done and there is very little out there short of sickness
that permanently alters our bodies and am highly suspicious of any research that says so.
I worked in academia for a long time and know that it's always possible to find research to fit your thesis
(and I mean those researchers, not you).
eschano,
I enjoy reading different points of view as part of my own "dieting hobby",
and often post interesting articles of others at my website, DietHobby.
In doing that I frequently use the word "THEORY"... which of course, means ...
"a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something"
When I experience something personally, I wonder about it,
and when I read an interesting article about it, I often share it.
I may agree or disagree with a Theory that I share,
but what is important to me, is that people consider it.

People have a natural specific number of fat cells.
Every cell has a function, and works to survive.
When a fat cell gets too full, it divides, and becomes two fat cells.
This is a permanent change.
No matter how much weight one loses, the process doesn't reverse itself.

At this time, the Theory of Set Point is one accepted by many experts,
... which ... of course .... can always change...
To better understand how fat cells apply in the Set Point Theory, click and read:

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=730
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Dec 27, 2012 3:45 pm

"Portion Control is Evil"
I challenge this offensive, incorrect, and illogical statement. Image
Just because we dislike something doesn't mean we get to redefine it.

Portion Control is simply using the brain that God has given you,
to work toward eating the correct amount of food for the body he has given you.
Portion Control simply means = eating less food.
How Much Less? That depends on WHAT you are choosing to eat.
The goal is to take in the same amount of energy as your body, at it's healthiest, uses.

If we are talking in terms of Good vs. Evil,
Portion Control must be Good,
BECAUSE
it is the opposite of the "evil" behavior: "Gluttony",
which Christianity (and many other Religions) define as sinful, bad, "evil".
If Gluttony equals bad; then Portion Control equals good.
Therefore, Portion Control is Godly Behavior.

Avoiding obesity requires limiting your food intake...
no matter what method you use to do this will always involve some form of portion control.
The concept of "free will" means that we can choose NOT to use our brain
to help us eat less food,
However, an attempt to redefine "good" as "evil" is Foolishness.
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Post by oolala53 » Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:09 am

Agreed. Something is going to determine the portion. Being purposeful about it is reasonable and sane.
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
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Re: "Portion Control is Evil"

Post by BrightAngel » Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:03 pm

The following post is copied from another Thread
because I want this detailed explanation connected to my prior post.

Another No S Member wrote:Gluttony used to mean eating before the time to eat,
according to a book on medieval eating that I bought.
Webster's online dictionary now says "an excess in eating or drinking."

Why, then, would there be a Shrove Tuesday or a Twelve Days of Christmas
when people were expected to and encouraged to eat more than they required?

I think our society may have changed the meaning of the word, with disasterous results.

Think about this:
What if portion control really is a new concept
and really is the cause of the obesity epidemic?
Image
The term "Portion Control" is merely a modern term for an ancient concept.
The term is commonly used to indicate "eating less".


..........Question: What is a "portion" of food?
..........Answer: It is an amount of food.

..........Question: What is "control"?
..........Answer: It is to exercise restraint or direction over, to command,
.........................to hold in check, to regulate, to curb.

I, personally, choose not to think of eating in terms of “good†and “evilâ€.
However, in support of my above-post, it is easy to see
that the definition of Gluttony has been fairly consistent for thousands of years.

Regarding the past definition of “Gluttonyâ€, even a brief review of the Bible
makes it clear that in ancient, biblical times, “gluttony†meant overeating to excess,
and a “glutton†was often equated with a “drunkard …
which shows that they were considered to be similar behaviors.

The English word, "Gluttony", was derived from the Latin gluttire meaning to gulp down or swallow,
It means over-indulgence and over-consumption of food, drink, or wealth items
to the point of extravagance or waste.

In some Christian denominations, Gluttony is considered one of the seven deadly sins
and it is specifically defined as - a misplaced desire of food…
... eating more than needed, eating more than one’s share.

The word "Greed" is defined as a selfish and excessive desire
for more of something (like food or money) than is needed,
A "Glutton" is "Greedy", and both of these words are often used to define similar behavior.

Deuteronomy 21:20 says:

â€And they shall say unto the elders of his city,
This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice;
he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
â€

Proverbs 23:20-21 warns,
“Do not join those who drink too much wine or gorge themselves on meat,
for drunkards and gluttons become poor, and drowsiness clothes them in rags
.â€

Proverbs 28:7 declares,
“He who keeps the law is a discerning son,
but a companion of gluttons disgraces his father.
â€

Proverbs 23:2 proclaims,
“Put a knife to your throat if you are given to gluttony.â€

Biblical Scripture tells Christian believers
that they are not to let their appetites control them,
but they are to have control over their appetites.

(See Deuteronomy 21:20, Proverbs 23:2, 2 Peter 1:5-7,
2 Timothy 3:1-9, and 2 Corinthians 10:5.)


The ability to say “no†to anything in excess—self-control—
- is one of the fruits of the Spirit common to all believers

(Galatians 5:22).

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It seems clear that IF one chooses to think of eating in terms of “good†and “evilâ€,
that eating less = i.e. portion control is “goodâ€, and overeating is “evilâ€.


The establishment of various historical customs which appear to encourage overeating, don't change the definition of Gluttony.Image
The Origins of Shrove Tuesday
Shrove Tuesday originated during the Middle Ages. As in contemporary times, food items like meats, fats, eggs, milk, and fish were regarded as restricted during Lent. To keep such food from being wasted, many families would have big feasts on Shrove Tuesday in order to consume those items that would inevitably become spoiled during the next forty days. The English tradition of eating pancakes on Shrove Tuesday came about as a way to use as much milk, fats, and eggs as possible before Ash Wednesday began. In France, the consumption of all fats and fatty foods on this day coined the name "Fat Tuesday" or Mardi Gras.
The origin of the Twelve Days of Christmas is complicated,
which is related to differences in church traditions, and different cultures observe this tradition in a variety of ways. By the 16th century, European and Scandinavian cultures had combined the Twelve Days of Christmas with (sometimes pagan) festivals celebrating the changing of the year. These were usually associated with driving away evil spirits for the start of the new year. Over the centuries, differing Christian denominations have had different customs involving the Twelve Days of Christmas, which are currently celebrated in widely differing ways.
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:18 pm

:P Diets DO Work -
and the No S Diet is included in this.

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Post by BrightAngel » Fri Feb 08, 2013 4:59 pm

Image Diets DO work ... but only when consistently followed forever ...
To be successful, we need to overcome our unrealistic expectations.
See this excellent article containing many informative links.

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=788

For those of us who are, or have been, well inside the obesity BMI range,
there is no doubt that Maintenance ... as-well-as-weight-loss ...
takes an incredible amount of continuous, ongoing difficult work. ..
despite the choice of the weight-loss diet or the maintenance diet.
...even when working to follow the No S Diet guidelines....
I know this from my own personal experience
as I have now maintained a large weight-loss for the past 7 years.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sat Feb 09, 2013 3:30 pm

RePosted From General Discussion Thread.
heddi55 wrote:
BrightAngel wrote:For those of us who are, or have been, well inside the obesity BMI range,
there is no doubt that Maintenance ... as-well-as-weight-loss ...
takes an incredible amount of continuous, ongoing difficult work. ..
despite the choice of the weight-loss diet or the maintenance diet.
...even when working to follow the No S Diet guidelines....
I know this from my own personal experience

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=788
BrightAngel, I know this is not true for everyone,
especially not for most NoS-ers that would apply to (BMI range)
...reading the many testimonies and board archives.
Also, I presume you aren't NoS-ing pure vanilla style.
I could imagine that your post sounds negative and hopeless to newcomers.
They may give up before starting...
This holds true for every long-term No S member that I've seen on this board.
I have been posting here on the No S forum for almost 5 years now,
and during that time I have read almost every post here on the General Discussion thread,
and ... of course... also all of the testimonies.

People looking for a magic fix, for results without effort, don't appear to succeed in No S
any better than they do on any other Diet.
I've run the BMI numbers on the No S people who share their height/weight data while claiming success,
and base my opinion partly on what I've seen,
partly on the continued presence and/or eventual absence of members,
and partly on my overall knowledge of the subject.
My own body's personal BMI high was 52.9. My current BMI is 24.4.

Success requires facing the Truth as it is, not as one would wish it to be.
Reinhard has written a terrific book, and has created a very helpful eating plan,
but implementing it in a way to achieve weight-loss or maintenance takes work,
Far LESS work for people who have not had a high BMI OVER around 35.
Far MORE work for people who have had a high BMI above that range.

You'll see that too, if you run their BMI numbers using online calculators.

Actually, Vanilla No S, is eating exactly the way that Reinhard ate,
and even "vanilla No S" requires some modifications to adjust for size, age, activity, and sex.
Shorter, older, sedentary females can't eat the same 1 plate contents that taller, younger, active females can eat,
let alone the same 1 plate contents that a tall, young, active male ...
such as Reinhard... can eat.

Some No S members modifiy Vanilla No S by cutting down on fried food,
by eating less processed foods, by eating more vegetables and fruits.
Some use other tactics, and add other behavioral modifications,
such as reducing the number of their meals, or counting calories,
or watching fats or watching carbs.

Over time, weekend Bingeing stops for some people, and not for others.
This seems related both to age and to the length of time that one has spent in extreme obesity.
Also, perhaps, even to the types of food that are eaten during "N" days.
Only Habits that result in a person eating the same as, or less than, their own personal energy burn
will help to cause weight-loss and maintenance.


This has been consistently proven on these boards again and again,
and also everywhere else here in the World.
A big part of the Marketing Mess that dieting has become
involves DENIAL of the truth, and promises of quick fixes.
People who are well into their obesity range struggle to lose weight,
only to regain all of it but 5% or 10% within a few years.
Hope based on Fantasy is not a helpful long-term maintenance tactic.

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=788

Much Truth can be discovered by reading the linked article posted above,
especially for those who also read the referenced links within that article.
I challenge anyone who has lost over 100 lbs, and kept it off for 7 years
to tell me that their maintenance and weight-loss has not required
a great deal of ongoing effort.
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Post by BrightAngel » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:04 pm

RePosted from General Thread
heddi55 wrote:BA, thank you for answering me so quickly.
Can we agree to disagree on some matters here? :wink:
Although, I'd like to ask you - and I'm really just curious:
In what ways do you agree with NoS and, are you practicing the program at this point?
Has NoS helped you so far? Hope these inquiaries don't seem too probing.
My 5 year relationship with No S has gone through many different stages.
You can access that information here on No S as over the years
there have been numerous posts here in the General Discussion Thread about that subject,
and there are also many posts within my personal Thread in the Daily Check-in area.


You can find my review of the No S Diet,
together with comments of other No S members,
here:
http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=55
Unfortunately, due to a technical glitch caused by the Hacking of my website last May,
the posting headers on many of those past comments are incorrect,
however, most of the names of the commentors are shown within the body of my replies to the comments themselves.


You can also find many references to No S in many of the articles in Archives area of my DietHobby website.
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Minkymoo wrote:My belief about No S is that it will slowly and consistently realign my expectations with reality.
Minkymoo, that is a lovely belief, and I hope that it comes true for you.

I believe that to succeed at both weight-loss and long-term-maintenance of that loss,
it is important to accept the fact that losing and maintaining weight is going to be hard.
Obviously it is not impossible, but we need to be realistic about the lifetime effort that is involved.
In order to make this possible, somehow that required effort needs to become enjoyable.
Whether that Truth is to be viewed as Negative or Positive is a matter of personal choice.

BYW, the numbers of Reinhard, himself, fall within the premise of my above-stated position,
as even his own BMI, was never “well-inside-the-obesity-rangeâ€.

In his book, “The No S Diet†Reinhard says that when he began the diet
he was “borderline obeseâ€.
He says that he went from 210 down to 170, a loss of 40 lbs.
Reinhard appears to be about 6 ft tall, therefore:
his BMI at 210 was about 28.5 (30 is the borderline between overweight and obesity);
and his BMI at 170 was about 23.1. (25 is the borderline between normal and overweight).

I would greatly welcome the input here of any long-term posters here who began No S with a personal BMI above 35,
and who now have,…and have maintained for at least 3 years, … a BMI of around 25 or less.
regarding how much Effort that achieving this, has been personally required of them.
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Post by BrightAngel » Fri Mar 22, 2013 3:45 pm

ImageHere's an helpful article I recently wrote about:
.....................Diets & Non Diets................

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=825
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Apr 25, 2013 3:00 pm

:!: The No S Diet is a plan of Weight Management.
Below is a link that I think will interest many of our members.

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The Scale as a Tool.

Post by BrightAngel » Thu May 02, 2013 3:09 pm

Image More about the choice of using the Scale.
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Number Differences - We are NOT all the same.

Post by BrightAngel » Mon May 06, 2013 1:43 pm

Image Many people have a weight number
(and calorie numbers) that are special to them.
and
often view the posts of other people with those personal numbers in mind.
This article demonstrates how different those numbers can be.


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Curious?

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Post by BrightAngel » Mon Jul 15, 2013 1:52 pm

:!: Something I have discovered to be personally True.

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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Aug 13, 2013 3:50 pm

:D Hi Guys,
Here's a link showing videos of the recent BBC special:
"The Men Who Made Us Thin".


http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=888
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Body Acceptance

Post by BrightAngel » Wed Sep 11, 2013 5:36 pm

:?: Ever Think about your personal Body Acceptance?

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What is Weight Management Success?

Post by BrightAngel » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:37 pm

I think that some of you might be very interested in hearing
this Professional lecture given at a recent Medical Conference:
The 5A's of Obesity Management,
which ties in to support the concepts of NoS.


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Post by eschano » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:55 am

Thanks BrightAngel, will have a look now. Always good food for thought here!
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Copied from the General Thread
wosnes wrote: I'm surprised at how many ads and literature from the 50s come out and use the word "fat."
Though I grew up in the 50s, I don't remember that.
I probably wasn't paying that much attention.
I also grew up in the 1950s, and I paid a LOT of Attention to the word "fat".
I remember very well how often the word fat was used... especially about me personally.
My parents, my brother, and others often referred to me as "fat",
even though I had a 5'1" height and a 105 lb weight.

Partly this was because I developed very early, purberty for me began at age 9
and gave me curves which the other girls my age did not have.

From that age forward, I was in an early adolescence.
My height at age 9 was the same as my current petite adult height.
My weight was within the BMI "normal" range --
within the bottom one-fourth of "normal" at the onset of puberty in elementary school.

However, despite the combination of my own efforts and my mother's efforts to restrict my food intake,
by age 12 my weight climbed to the top of the BMI overweight range.
My mother insisted that my doctor do something, and he readily gave me diet pills.

By taking the pills and further restricting my food intake,
I got my weight down to the middle of a "normal" BMI ...
however this was STILL considered "fat" or rather "plump" by my peers ... and my family.
My weight fluctuated within the top half of the "normal" range during my high school years.
however, I dieted very hard to keep my weight at that level.

At age 20, during my first preganancy. I first became obese,
and all through my lifetime thereafter, I yo-yo dieted.
All during the 50s, and 60s, and 70s, I stood out as one of the "fat" ones.

I've often thought "Where were all these fat people when I was young?"
Despite my knowledge of the "science" behind the obesity in our present culture,
I still haven't gotten used to the current population of young "fat" girls and women.
At that age,
although I was comparatively thinner than the majority of the present population of young girls and women,
and dressed myself in "figure flattering" clothing,
the culture around me considered me fat ... and many of them told me so
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Post by joasia » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:09 pm

But you managed to find a man to love you, marry you, and have children with you. even though you say you were "fat" - that is great
The destiny of nations depends on the manner in which they feed themselves. Jean-Anthelme Brillat-Savarin

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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Nov 07, 2013 7:25 pm

joasia wrote:But you managed to find a man to love you, marry you, and have children with you. even though you say you were "fat" - that is great
Although I believe that you are well-intentioned,
I cannot silently accept SUCH a fat-biased statement,
that really has little or nothing to do with the issue.

You might want to read up on Fat Sigma and Fat Bias to educate yourself about that issue
before you ever again make such a comment.
Fat Bias existed in Society in the 1950s as well as the present, just like racism, sexism etc.

First, I strongly disagree that a woman's ultimate Goal should be to
find a man who is willing to "love, marry and have children with",

Next, it is neither rare, nor difficult, for a woman who deals with the problem of obesity to find such a man.

Although I was of normal weight at both of my weddings,
I have always had a husband who loves me fat or thin.
As an adult, I could never love, or even tolerate, any man who exhibits behavior showing Fat Bias,
whether to me personally, or to anyone else.

I have had two successful marriages.
(btw - both husbands were attractive, normal-weight, highly-intelligent men).
The first lasted 18 years, and the present one is now 25 years of a 32 year relationship.

I'm kind, and interesting, and fun and charming and hardworking,
extremely intelligent, highly educated, and successful careerwise,
along with many other desirable traits.
I've also been lucky enough to be a very attractive woman..
both when I was fat, and when I was thin.

In my prior post, I pointed out how Fat Bias existed in Society in the 1950s,
and my own experience with it.
I did not say that Fat Bias has prevented me from living a great life,
because I have not allowed it to so so.


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Post by joasia » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:18 pm

I intended no disrespect what so ever. Everybody has a different experience with being overweight. I suffered a lot because I was fat, in a society that does not treat people with weight issues kindly, or so has been my experience. From my personal experience, my struggle with weight loss, cost me a marriage. And it hurt very deeply. But I realize that is only my experience, not other peoples. Again, I am sorry if I said anything out of line. Your weight loss struggles and success are very inspirational to me.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:58 pm

joasia wrote:Your weight loss struggles and success are very inspirational to me.
We live in the same Fat Biased Society,
and many negative experiences have also come my way.
However, it's THEM, NOT US.
If your marriage ended due to your husband's Fat Bias,
it was HIM, NOT YOU.

Even in this Fat-Biased-Society, we can learn to make positive choices that will affect our future lives
What we tell ourselves has a great deal of power.
When we learn to accept and like ourselves
... no matter what...,
we can create boundaries for ourselves within difficult situations,
and we can be selective about the people we choose to be close to.

I would choose to be alone forever, rather than accept a husband or "friend"
who chooses not to treat me with respect ... irrespective of my body size.
If another person doesn't accept me and my personal boundaries
... no matter whether I'm fat or thin,
they don't deserve a relationship with me.
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Post by BrightAngel » Tue Nov 19, 2013 4:14 pm

There are many people who are
the same size and age with similiar activity levels
who have different energy requirements
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Overruling the Body

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Habit Concept

Post by BrightAngel » Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:22 pm

:P Some of you may be interested in this article.
It also contains a link to a previous article & comments about No S.

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=948

Note re Link to past No S article:
Due to technical changes made to repair a Hacking back in 2012,
a few of the comments responding to the linked No S article do not contain the poster's name,
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Healthy Eating

Post by BrightAngel » Sat Mar 29, 2014 4:25 pm

:lol: Here's my take on Healthy Eating.
If you can tolerate Profanity, watch amusing video at the end.

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Post by automatedeating » Sat Mar 29, 2014 9:55 pm

BrightAngel--this was so funny! My favorite parts were about soy milk and then at the end about how much water we're drinking. :)
Thanks for sharing (note: I did have to watch it in my bedroom so the kids wouldn't hear all the swearing!)
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Post by oolala53 » Mon Mar 31, 2014 7:15 am

Good stuff.

I'm so envious of people who get to complain for a living.
Count plates, not calories. Three a day. 9 years & counting
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Jan/12-26.8
Mar/13-24.9 Stayed at +/- 8-lb. for three years Sept/17 22.8 (but more fluctuation)
Mar/18 22.2

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Help with Habit Building

Post by BrightAngel » Fri Apr 04, 2014 12:53 pm

Help with Habit Building
I've found Fighting the Urge, a 23 page e-book, which is available as a free download,
is a very helpful tool to help me deal with my overeating urges.
For more information SEE:

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Is Overeating and Being Fat Ever Funny?

Post by BrightAngel » Mon Apr 07, 2014 4:09 pm

Ever feel like you take yourself too seriously?
Sometimes it just feels good to laugh about myself and my problems of overeating and obesity.

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Post by oolala53 » Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:40 pm

Happened to be browsing a person's weight trend chart that has a section that shows observations on the data. Hers says recently,

X is gaining 0.5 lbs/week of total weight.
She is burning 253 cal/day less than she eats.

Of course, it's very possible her weight gain is her body retaining water; without a bodyfat scan, we can't really know. But it certainly corroborates your experience. I never had the discipline (nor the desire, really) to record the data that might have shown a similar experience for me, but I can certainly see it just from ballpark estimates.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:17 am

oolala53 wrote:Happened to be browsing a person's weight trend chart that has a section that shows observations on the data. Hers says recently,

X is gaining 0.5 lbs/week of total weight.
She is burning 253 cal/day less than she eats.

Of course, it's very possible her weight gain is her body retaining water; without a bodyfat scan, we can't really know.
But it certainly corroborates your experience.
I never had the discipline (nor the desire, really) to record the data that might have shown a similar experience for me,
but I can certainly see it just from ballpark estimates.
Thanks oolala,
It is amazing to see what long-term accurate and detailed food and weight tracking can reveal.
It is rather incredible to see how very little food that even a "Normal" small inactive elderly woman alledegly burns...
The Mifflin calculation says a "NORMAL" person of my size and age burns a total of 1210 calories per day,
and all studies indicate that a 10% to 20% deviation below that amount is NOT even considered "abnormal".
20% below "normal" would be about 200 calories, so a 1010 total energy burn would even be in a statistically acceptable range.

Most anecotal evidence of women eating very low-calorie while losing little or no weight
are in the bodybuilding/exercise sites, and they involve young to middle-aged women,
and consist of weight and calorie evidence gathered over short periods of time, like 10 weeks or less,
Ten pounds of water retention could mask a 10 lb weight drop, and could hide a 1 fat lb loss per week for 10 weeks.
AND, not many woman can tolerate low-calorie eating, with tracking, for more than 10 weeks without any weight-loss.
Weeks of food restriction that is unrewarded by weight-loss, tends to commonly result in food Binges....
which further complicates and masks the entire issue.

It is interesting to me that Nature appears to control the "normal" average elderly woman's weight,
through an increasing lack of appetite.
... and I've noticed that recently you've reported experiencing this.
I've not yet experienced a consistent reduction of appetite, but then as a "reduced obese" person,
my body tends to fall outside the range of what is considered "normal" or "average".
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Post by oolala53 » Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:43 am

I was under the impression that appetite decreased in those another 15 years older than I, so I'm not sure that's what mine is about, but it's not out of the question. But I'm getting more used to the idea of cooperating with it or putting my money where my mouth is and getting more serious about consistent exercise as my new doctor recommended.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:39 am

oolala53 wrote:I was under the impression that appetite decreased in those another 15 years older than I,
so I'm not sure that's what mine is about, but it's not out of the question.
But I'm getting more used to the idea of cooperating with it or putting my money where my mouth is
and getting more serious about consistent exercise as my new doctor recommended.
I don't think our body's timelines are clearly defined.
Just like everything else, medical information is based on "Averages".
For those of us who live to reach our 60s, the AVERAGE death comes between 75 and 85,
but there are a few who live beyond 85, and many who die before 75.

Personally, at my age, I'm beginning to feel that decisions on what, or how much, I eat,
and whether or not I engage in exercise
should be based on how enjoyable those things can be to me in my present daily life,
rather than on some future benefit that may, or may not, appear.
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Post by automatedeating » Sat Apr 19, 2014 2:41 am

Oolala, I think appetite reduction is gradual. I definitely have less of an appetite at 37 than I did at 27! And I wouldn't be at all surprised to see myself "eating like at bird" at 73 (just like my grandmother before me)--I always thought it was strange how little she ate, but it fits with what you and BrightAngel are discussing.
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Post by oolala53 » Mon Apr 21, 2014 5:03 am

Except that possibly your grandmother was at peace with it. :) I'm not, yet. I still wish I got hungry enough to justify my eating more. The desire is there, even though the hunger isn't. I still have to exert mental effort not to eat. I get the impression that when the elderly lose their appetite, they also lose interest in eating. I'm still very interested in eating. But in the grand scheme of things, it's not torture to deal with this. And it's not the fault of No S, nor what it was intended to remedy.
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Post by BrightAngel » Wed Apr 23, 2014 4:14 pm

PREVIOUSLY POSTED ON GENERAL THREAD:

Over the past 6 years, I've seen lots of people disappear who use "S" days as "cheat" days.
Even after 6 months to 1 year of "vanilla" noS, most of the obese people who use "S" days as "cheat Days
never seem to be able to stop their weekend Bingeing without making some corrective modifications.
And while I've visited this forum almost every day for the past 6 years,
I've not seen very many of these well-into-obesity people lose very much weight.

Occasional indulgences such as Reinhard intended (SOMETIMES) seem to work well,
but viewing "S" days as Unlimited Overeating Days simply does not work.
at least not for people well over the Obesity BMI border.
I totally agree with the following video.


http://www.weightymatters.ca/2014/04/th ... eting.html
oolala53 wrote:BrightAngel, I realize that I'm not sure what point you were trying to make.
Is it that it seems the truly obese do not seem to be able to have the freedom of S days evolve naturally into moderation?
That when told that they should just let go on those days until the overeating decreases without much thinking about it,
they tend to keep overeating month after month, get discouraged, and leave?
Are you suggesting some people may need mods to start with?

I think that letting the wild days die down without any conscious intervention, i.e., mod, is unrealistic for some.
It might be the obese or not.
I'm not sure how to remedy this, as I said before.

BrightAngel, I realize I've never understood how you use No S.
Do you stick to 3 meals, but also track calories?
And continue to experiment with food types or limiting calories?
oolala,
I think that many of Dr. Freedhoff's Diet Myth and Diet Fix concepts fit together well with No S concepts,
and I think that some of these concepts might be helpful to some people here at No S.

Reinhard has ALWAYS POINTED OUT that he is not a medical professional,
that he has no personal experience, and very little knowledge, about Bingeing,
eating disorders, Severe Obesity, or a lifetime of yo yo dieting.
I admire his Honesty about this issue, together with the fact that Reinhard accepts and acknowledges
that his No S diet Habit Plan is not necessarily mutually-exclusive
and that its principles can be easily adapted as needed and used with many other diets.

From what I've witnessed here over the past 6 years,
many people who are overweight, or near the bottom border of obesity,
seem to do quite well with the basic "vanilla" No S principles,
in that at the beginning, and occasionally thereafter, they may "overindulge" on "S" days,
but over time, primarily through becoming very Aware and Concious of their S day behavior,
together with their personal Shame and Guilt, they either modify that behavior without adding further rules,
OR they modify their personal No S diet, giving themselves additional "S" day rules.
This, in fact, is exactly what Reinhard both predicts and recommends.

My personal observation is that MOST of the time, the principles of unmodified "S" day eating is ineffective,
and simply DOES NOT WORK ...even over time... for people who are Seriously Obese...
...meaning those who have spent many years living far above the obesity BMI border.

Although I have personally dealt with severe obesity, for all of my life,
I have no ultimate answers or ultimate solutions for people who are severely obese.
I've come up with personal observations and possible solutions,
and my personal blog, DietHobby, talks about these isssues a great deal.
I've made no secret of the fact that my own personal weight-loss and maintenance
requires constant vigilence, and ongoing experimentation.

IMO: "DietHead" is a negative term useful only for those who are exhausted with their dieting failures,
and who wish to avoid taking further personal responsibility for their own ongoing food choices.
I reject that concept, and I have learned that ... for me...any short term "peace"
that comes from giving up personal vigilance over my food and weight issues
has always resulted in a very rude (and unpeaceful) awakening.

My own choice is to consistently approach my food intake mindfully,
to be constantly aware of how my food and my weight relate to each other,
and to purposely choose to view "dieting" issues as an enjoyable "hobby".

I understand why you would feel you don't have a clear understanding of my personal dieting practices.
My own personal diet / food-plan / way-of-eating has a great deal of flexibility.
The only thing that I am consistely "rigid" about is my choice
to track and log ALL of my food EVERY DAY into a computer software food journal.
I have done this every day since September 20, 2004... It is now an enjoyable HABIT,
and my computer history tells me that "0 out of 3503 days have missing data".

My computer food journal automatically gives me access to
extensive nutritional information about my food, including calories.
I see that information every day, so it is something of which I am constantly aware.
Since I have ongoing information of how my own weight relates to my own calorie ingestion,
I pay attention to that calorie number and I consistently work toward
keeping my ongoing calorie averages low enough to avoid weight gain.
Sometimes I feel frustrated, but shame or guilt is not part of my personal mind-set.

The No S concept that has been the most valuable to me is the Habit concept.
I've found No S to be flexible enough to be valuable for my own long-term use.
Over the years, I've used No S principles in many different ways,
and I really like the support I've received from Reinhard for that process.

There are times when I practiced "vanilla" No S, exactly as recommended;
I learned very quickly that, for me, following a basic "S" day plan without modification
would take me rapidly back into morbid obesity,
and I've experimented with many different "S" day, modifications.
There are times when I've experimented with the specific number of meals in my "n" days,
trying out midifications involving having more and having less daily meals.
There are times when I've experimented with various other modifications,
sometimes independant personal mofifications,
sometimes these modifications which involve combining No S principles with other diets.

Except for my consistemt daily food tracking Habit,
I am quite flexible about involving myself with food-intake experiments.
Sometimes I've combined No S with experiments of different food types.
Sometimes I've combined No S with experiments of higher and low calories.
Sometimes I've modified No S to fit in with other food intake experiments.

My ongoing pattern is to engage myself in a variety of dieting experiments.
I continue to do this because I have not yet found ONE single way-of-eating
that will allow me to maintain my large weight-loss in a sustainable and enjoyable manner.

At present, what is sustainable and enjoyable for me is the habit of searching and experimenting.
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Post by oolala53 » Thu Apr 24, 2014 9:13 am

I agree that those who are seriously obese need something more limiting than No S. Maybe Reinhard should have stated something like that somewhere.

Out of curiosity, what percentage would you say of those with above-normal BMI"s are seriously obese? I'm pretty sure the morbidly obese comprise under 10%, but would you include others in the seriously obese category?
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:15 pm

oolala53 wrote:I agree that those who are seriously obese need something more limiting than No S.
Maybe Reinhard should have stated something like that somewhere.

Out of curiosity, what percentage would you say of those with above-normal BMI"s are seriously obese?
I'm pretty sure the morbidly obese comprise under 10%,
but would you include others in the seriously obese category?
oolala

I found this an interesting question.
I thought about it; did some research; made some rough calculations;
and came up with the following answer.

I'm putting the answer here, but I also wrote a blog with the answer.

See: http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=990

There are "official" stages of obesity, using the BMI.

Stage 1 is 30 - 34.9 BMI -- obesity
Stage 2 is 35 - 39.9 BMI -- severe obesity
Stage 3 is 40 - 49.0 BMI - morbid obesity
Stage 4 is 50 and up BMI - super obesity

Personally, I would include most of the Stage 2, severe obesity people
into what I term the "seriously obese category",
depending on the number of years they've spent above Stage 1.

About Percentages …
roughly based on a 2010 survey of the US population,
73% of the US population is overweight or obese.

The Percentage breakdown for women over the age of 20 is:

64% of women over 20 - either overweight or obese
36% of these women - are obese.

The Percentage breakdown for Obese women over the age of 20 is:
36% Obese. with …

Stage 1 --Obese = 17%
Stage 2 -- Severely Obese = 11%
Stage 3 -- Morbidly & Super Obese = 8%

However, note that these are the percentages of the overweight
and the obese women within the general population.

When considering only the Diet Community population,
the Overweight and Obese breakdown is approximately 100% of the diet community population,
rather than the 64% that is within the general population.

Of that 100%, there is no way to actually KNOW the breakdown between overweight and obese..
but common sense and my observational skills tell me that most women who join dieting communities
are commonly near or above the obesity borderline,
so the percentage of those obese dieters joining diet communities is higher than the 56%
which would be allotted through changing the 64% to a 100% breakdown.

Assigning percentages of those obese dieters to stages 1, 2, 3, and 4 would merely be further guesswork.
However, if we based percentages proportionally..
which, of course, would be inaccurate…. Approximately….

47% of these obese people would be stage 1 - obese,
30% of these obese people would be stage 2 - severely obese
22% of these obese people would be stage 3 or 4 - morbidly or super obese

Dragging this out to absurdity…
the percentage of the dieting community which is obese .. rather than overweight..
could be at least two-thirds (63%) or higher..
more than one-half (52%) of that two-thirds would be severely or morbidly obese. ..
meaning about 33% of 100% would fall into the category of severely obese or above.

The absurdly-inaccurate general calculations above support my own personal estimate
which is that probably about one-third or higher of the diet community population
consists of women who I would term as "seriously" obese.

Twenty-two years ago, my own highest BMI was 52.9
which placed me into the Stage 4 category - super obese.
However, my lifetime of continual dieting allowed me
to spend the majority of my years between the ages 20 and 50
with a BMI from 35 to 39 -- within Stage 2, the severely obese range.
It has only been within the past 9 years that I have been in the "normal" BMI range.
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Post by eschano » Thu Apr 24, 2014 4:36 pm

Wow, BrightAngel, your highest BMI was 52.9??? What a fantastic accomplishment to rein that in.

Now I understand why I often don't understand your posts. I was only ever overweight, maybe boarderline obese so we have a very different starting point coming to NoS and I understand that it takes a lot more to go down again permanently from such a high BMI. I always had the hope that NoS would be enough for everyone though but it does not seem the case for morbidly obese or at least super obese people.

You are awesome!

Just as a side: I have some anorexic friends who definitely haunt the diet community at least online as they think of themselves as obese. It's a mental illness so I wouldn't be surprised if there's not more of them around.
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Apr 24, 2014 5:21 pm

Thanks eschano. :)

If you are interested, my blog, DietHobby has lots more information
about me and my ideas,
as well as many videos and recipes that I've created.
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Post by eschano » Fri Apr 25, 2014 10:22 am

Thank you BrightAngel!
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Post by BrightAngel » Mon May 05, 2014 6:25 pm

Re-posted from a General Thread.
MerryKat wrote:Bright Angel Thank you for the time you have taken to respond.

I am interested in your statement that your set point is still at around 270
due to your past weight history.

Do you feel that this will never lower?
I have always wondered if our bodies would keep the highest set point
or if after a number of years at a significantly lower level
if they would start to settle at a lower set point.
Merry Kat, I no longer have hope that my set point will go down.
It has been 22 years since I weighed 270,
and it has been 10 years since weighed 190.
I've been a "normal" weight for the past 9 years,
But I've had to fight every day to keep from returning to those high weights.

I've done a lot of research on that issue.
Although there are many unqualified trainer-type-Guru's online who say the Set Point will drop ...
This appears to be merely based on magic, or wishful thinking.

Over time when a person gets really fat, their fat cells fill up and then divide. Although fat cells can shrink, they never disappear.
This process rachets up a person's set point, and once it goes beyond each rachet, there is no going back.

Our bodies work well to help us survive famines
but the reverse is not true.
This backfires on us when we live in a culture of overabundance which has an anti-fat-bias.


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Post by MerryKat » Tue May 06, 2014 11:41 am

Bright Angel

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my questions & give me links to read.

I am thoroughly enjoying exploring your Diet Hobby - I love the way you have turned your Dieting Experience into a Hobby!!!

I so enjoy your posts - so knowledgeable and your caring shines thru.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sat May 10, 2014 2:28 pm

Previously posted on the General Thread:
wosnes wrote: That's because studies can be set up to prove anything a researcher wants to prove.

..... so true .....

:P A biologist, a physician, and a statistician went deer hunting together.
When a deer appeared, the biologist shot 15 foot to the right of the deer.
The physician shot 15 foot to the left of the deer.
The statistician shouted in Glee .."We GOT him"
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Post by BrightAngel » Fri May 23, 2014 2:59 pm

Here is something that I Previously posted on the general Thread,
"What would you say to your younger self?"
I was a normal weight child with a very obese paternal grandmother,
and my parents were very afraid that I would "take after her".

They taught me that being "fat" was a horribly unacceptable thing,
and even when I had a normal-size healthy child's body,
before any adolescent weight-gain,
they frequently compared my body with the bodies of very thin girls,
and told me that I was TOO fat, and that I needed to eat less food.

I developed a lifetime habit of comparing myself to other people,
and judging myself based on whether others were "fatter" or "thinner" than me.
While I am certain that some of my lifetime problem with obesity has a genetic basis,
my eating and activity behaviors have been primarily responsible.
Sometimes I wonder whether, without the ongoing fear of being "fat",
these behaviors would have been more positive, and provided me with a different result.

I would say to my young self:
"It's okay to be fat"

"Nobody needs anyone’s encouragement,
justification, or permission to live in their body.

This is true whether or not people are able to achieve permanent weight loss.
Fat people have the right to exist without bullying, shaming, or stigma period.
Assigning value to bodies based on their size is wrong.

Yes, it is ok to be fat.
Bodies come in lots of different sizes for lots of different reasons
and instead of jumping to defense mode when being fat-shamed
and insisting that we, or they, aren't fat,
we could take the opportunity to make things better for everyone
by pointing out that there is absolutely nothing wrong with fat bodies,
or bodies of any size."
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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:16 pm

Weight-loss is Hard.
Weight-loss Maintenance is Hard.
Being Fat is Hard.
Choose Your Hard.


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Post by oolala53 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 9:05 pm

Testify!
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Post by oolala53 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:53 am

I wonder if you've ever considered ti worth your while to determine a reason why the threads of some of the least successful members on this board get 10-20 times more attention than others. Is it because each one thinks s/he;ll be the one to turn things around for this obviously struggling member.I don't like to specualte too much because because it might not be very flattering. So far, one member here is a phenomena that I can't turn my eyes away from. It's an addiction.
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Post by BrightAngel » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:50 pm

:wink: CAUTION: :wink:

http://www.diethobby.com/blog.php?ax=v&nid=1042

Some might consider this article to be Supportive of Eating Disorders,
so read at your own risk.
:P
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Post by BrightAngel » Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:54 pm

oolala53 wrote:I wonder if you've ever considered it worth your while to determine
a reason why the threads of some of the least successful members on this board
get 10-20 times more attention than others.
oolala,
That's a really interesting issue.
I'll need to think about that awhile. :lol:
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Post by ironchef » Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:08 am

Thought provoking as always Bright Angel. I take your point on the importance of "live and let live", especially on an area as varied and individual as eating, weight and appetite. In fact, I was just grumbling on another thread about how annoying I find "one-size-fits-all" advice on these issues.

I think the sticking point for me is slightly different from the ED/health concerns you address. I'm someone from a very anti-waste, pro-environment background. I was brought up to bake or stew overripe fruit, to cut the mould off a cheese round and use the good bits, to turn leftover veg into bubble and squeak, etc. In its less positive moments, this background can foster hoarder-like (objects) or overeating (food) behaviours. One of the things I had to deal with when starting No-S was difficulty feeling like I was "wasting" food. Learning to cook smaller batches, freezing leftovers, having a dog and taking scraps to my neighbours' chickens has partly helped with this. In my every day life I'm working towards minimalism - as little acquiring of goods as possible, being happy with less, fitting into a smaller house, riding my bike as much as possible instead of driving, etc.

I think if I were to prepare or purchase food specifically to chew it (thereby making it inedible to others), but then not eat it, I would feel a lot of weirdness about that. I realise this is all very "1st world problems", but I just don't think I could justify it in my head. It would be like burning through a tank of gas so I could just drive my car around my block a few times each day.

I guess it depends whether the idea is to use this technique a few times a year at an event with special foods, or as a daily aid to eating less. Anyway, just my personal reaction to this idea.

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Post by BrightAngel » Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:29 am

ironchef,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on that Diet Review.
Yes, certainly the waste issue could well be a sticking point for that way-of-eating, ... or way-of-not-eating.

Many people and societies consider wasting food a moral issue.
The abundance of food available to us here in our present culture,
is the only thing that even makes this practice acceptable for people like Dolly.
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My Latest No S Experiment

Post by BrightAngel » Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:46 pm

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Hi Guys,
I’m including No S in my latest personal diet experiment.
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Re: BrightAngel check-in

Post by BrightAngel » Fri Feb 08, 2019 9:21 pm

After re-reading the anti-snacking sections of the No S Diet book for about the millionth time, I dropped by the forum to see how folks are doing here. I was pleased to see a few of my old friends have made some recent comments. Then I looked up my old thread and found out I hadn't updated here for about 4 years. This past year I've pretty much stopped posting everywhere except my own website, and my posts there are far less frequent. Anyone interested in my recent details can see them at DietHobby under the BLOG CATEGORIES heading, in the section entitled "Status Updates: More About Me".

Today, I'm working to eat 3 very small meals with zero snacking. Anyone interested in seeing the usual size of a normal meal for me can find a lot of pictures at DietHobby under the RESOURCES heading, in the section entitled Photo Gallery - under the sub-heading: "Petite Meals".

Note to people that I don't already know.... my blog is a personal, ad-free, non-profit website, in which I discuss areas of dieting that interest me personally, DietHobby sells nothing. No advertisements, No specific diets, ways-of-eating, lifestyles, or non-diets. No books, clubs, supplements, foods or memberships. Some might be interested in reading some articles under the Blog Categories heading, in the section entitled "The No S Diet, by Reinhard Engels"
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Re: BrightAngel check-in

Post by automatedeating » Fri Feb 08, 2019 10:46 pm

Hi Bright Angel! Thanks for stopping by. It's fun that you actually can STILL get something out of re-reading Reinhard's small, helpful book! So many little nuggets of common sense in there and we can go back to it for inspiration from time to time. I still remember randomly finding it in the bookstore in the mall (back when people still went to bookstores). I think I bought it because it was the cheapest diet book with the most simplistic premise I'd ever seen.
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Re: BrightAngel check-in

Post by Octavia » Sun Feb 10, 2019 7:32 pm

Hi Bright Angel! Lovely to see you. I like your Diethobby website. Glad you came back to see us.

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